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They Shoot Zombies, Don't They?

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Post by Onderhond » May 12th, 2019, 7:02 pm

Nathan Treadway wrote:
May 12th, 2019, 6:24 pm
While it's an odd placement, I can actually see Wizard of Oz being considered a horror film. I mean, after all, it's essentially a nightmare.
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Post by monclivie » May 12th, 2019, 7:57 pm

ChrisReynolds wrote:
May 12th, 2019, 6:04 pm
monclivie wrote:
May 12th, 2019, 3:42 pm
sol wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 10:48 am
I don't know whether to take you literally or not, I would kind of hope that a list of "scariest films for kids" wouldn't be included in TSZDT - or if it was, it would be weighted at 0.25 or something quite low.
Yes, this ultimate canonical top 1000 has lists like "11 horror films it’s safe to watch with your kids", ”Ten Kid Friendly Horror Movies” and "30 Halloween Movies for children" as its source.
Why is this bad? They Shoot Pictures Don't They uses lists like "The Telegraph's Top 20 Children's Films", "10 Great Films About Children in Wartime", "10 Great Films Based on Classic Children's Books", etc. as its source. It even has weirder ones like "Five Key Dog Films" and "Top 40 Movies Filmed in Chicago", and I'm certain that TSZDT has a better method of comparing all the lists against each other.

And the Wizard of Oz doesn't just appear in children's horror lists. It appears in lists of best Witch films and on lists of scariest scenes. Plenty of people count the Witch of the West and the flying monkeys among their scariest formative cinema experiences.
I agree, but there's a difference between "best", "top", "great" or "key" films of any kind and "10 movies" or "11 films" that have something in common, and it's the only reason I mentioned these three lists. "200 movies filmed in Chicago" or "79 heartbreaking dog films", that would be weird in TSPDT..

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Post by mightysparks » May 12th, 2019, 11:56 pm

I usually don't include lists that are just 'films with something in common' if the description sounds like that's all it is. There's quite a few lists where I'll start making them and then the first few films are like 'I don't actually like this film but I needed to make this go to 20', and I immediately scrap it.

Anyway, I left this going overnight and it's finally done, a ranked list of all films nominated: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls044339710/
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Post by Cocoa » May 13th, 2019, 3:22 am

Three gialli lost their official status this month (u) (...four if I count Eyes of Laura Mars (1978) as an American giallo).

La donna del lago (1965) [The Possessed] dropped off DtC
Una lucertola con la pelle di donna (1971) [A Lizard in a Woman's Skin] dropped off TSZDT
La corta notte delle bambole di vetro (1971) [Short Night of Glass Dolls] dropped off TSZDT

I'm fine with the update overall. Some movies I love fell off and some movies I love got added [or added back after falling off the previous year).

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Post by blueboybob » May 13th, 2019, 12:40 pm

A lot of people complain, but thank you mighty for all your work on this. You try to be as unbias as possible and show all your work on making this list. You are just letting the data talk. sometimes we dont like the data, but that doesn't mean we should hide it.

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Post by peeptoad » May 14th, 2019, 12:43 pm

Cocoa wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 3:22 am
Three gialli lost their official status this month (u) (...four if I count Eyes of Laura Mars (1978) as an American giallo).

La donna del lago (1965) [The Possessed] dropped off DtC
Una lucertola con la pelle di donna (1971) [A Lizard in a Woman's Skin] dropped off TSZDT
La corta notte delle bambole di vetro (1971) [Short Night of Glass Dolls] dropped off TSZDT

I'm fine with the update overall. Some movies I love fell off and some movies I love got added [or added back after falling off the previous year).
Ah, another fellow gialli-lover... :cheers: I burned myself out on them several years ago but I aim to make a comeback this year (hopefully in the thriller and/or Italian challenges)

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Post by mightysparks » May 15th, 2019, 1:21 am

blueboybob wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 12:40 pm
A lot of people complain, but thank you mighty for all your work on this. You try to be as unbias as possible and show all your work on making this list. You are just letting the data talk. sometimes we dont like the data, but that doesn't mean we should hide it.
Thanks (l) I definitely have issues with some inclusions and rankings on the list myself, but as you say, I'm just here to collate the data and let it speak for itself. I do my best to tweak things to keep it fair and reasonable, but that doesn't mean the voters are :P
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Post by insomnius » July 1st, 2019, 12:47 pm

I stumbled upon this zombie movie list that might be of interest for you:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/j ... ies-ranked

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Post by mightysparks » July 18th, 2019, 2:14 pm

Chris sent me an updated version of the counter program that I've been using that takes into account films appearing on ranked lists. I finally ran it the other day, you can see what the list would like here: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/tszd ... htysparks/ (no new lists or any other changes from when it was calculated in May).

I've also decided to make it my primary film-watching goal to watch all the films that have been nominated, particularly focusing on looking for 'hidden gems', though I'll wade through the crap as well. When I finally catch up with writing my little reviews, I'll start posting about them in the TSZDT challenge thread I guess. This is my watchlist: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/blep/mightysparks/

I've only just started making the list on IMDb so it won't be complete for a few hours but here's all the TSZDT nominated films sorted by how many lists they appear in: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls048105041/
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Post by mightysparks » July 27th, 2019, 2:05 am

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Post by mightysparks » July 30th, 2019, 10:43 am

So, I was looking for some new lists and I'm not sure how I should go about dealing with 'best films of 2019 (so far) lists. Should I wait and only use lists made in the last couple months of 2019? Would mid-year lists be suitable? Ignore lists made before July-ish?
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Post by Onderhond » July 30th, 2019, 10:59 am

Probably just best to wait until 2019 is over?

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Post by sol » July 30th, 2019, 11:23 am

I vote for not including any "Best of 2019" lists at all - unless you have a similar number of "Best of 1984", "Best of 1977" etc lists factored in already.
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Post by dirty_score » October 26th, 2019, 5:24 am

https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/gu ... -all-time/

RT updated and expanded their list in time for Halloween.

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Post by ChrisReynolds » October 27th, 2019, 10:52 pm

mightysparks wrote:
July 30th, 2019, 10:43 am
So, I was looking for some new lists and I'm not sure how I should go about dealing with 'best films of 2019 (so far) lists. Should I wait and only use lists made in the last couple months of 2019? Would mid-year lists be suitable? Ignore lists made before July-ish?
I don't think mid-year lists are suitable. They're always weak lists, often released so they can use the latest big horror release as clickbait, and because they will distort the rankings towards films made earlier in the year. I don't think a shortage of "best of 2019 lists" will be a problem, and everybody who's releasing a "best so far" list will be releasing a full year's list as well.
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July 30th, 2019, 11:23 am
I vote for not including any "Best of 2019" lists at all - unless you have a similar number of "Best of 1984", "Best of 1977" etc lists factored in already.
The lists get balanced so different numbers of lists for different years won't distort the results.

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Post by dirty_score » January 12th, 2020, 2:43 pm

I just found out there's 23 movies about Dracula just in this list. Which could make sense because it's a giant list and there's plenty of movies about him but can he be the most official character in ICM?

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Post by Gorro » January 12th, 2020, 6:40 pm

dirty_score wrote:
January 12th, 2020, 2:43 pm
I just found out there's 23 movies about Dracula just in this list. Which could make sense because it's a giant list and there's plenty of movies about him but can he be the most official character in ICM?
Zatoichi has 27 official films since all his films are available on the Criterion Collection, James Bond has 24.

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Post by Onderhond » January 12th, 2020, 8:01 pm

How about Godzilla?

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Post by 72aicm » January 12th, 2020, 8:35 pm

If we can count real people then I’ll put my money on Hitler. First and last time I’ll use that sentence.

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Post by Darth Nevets » January 12th, 2020, 8:45 pm

Onderhond wrote:
January 12th, 2020, 8:01 pm
How about Godzilla?
Only 21 although will be 22 this year.

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Post by maxwelldeux » January 12th, 2020, 9:14 pm

72aicm wrote:
January 12th, 2020, 8:35 pm
If we can count real people then I’ll put my money on Hitler. First and last time I’ll use that sentence.
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Post by WalterNeff » January 12th, 2020, 11:41 pm

As of 2012, Dracula has the most movies (272) of any fictional (non-human) character. Sherlock Holmes has the most movies (254) of any fictional (human) character. I will leave it to you to determine how many are official. https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/ne ... -tv-41743/

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Post by dirty_score » January 13th, 2020, 3:03 pm

Sherlock only have 10 official checks, half of them thanks to the russian series. It's a character deemed more suitable for TV, hence why the low number of films/official checks.

Dracula has 25 official checks: 23x TSZDT, 1x ATWBO, 1x 21stCentury.

Both of them have been adapted by the same writers for BBC.

I thought it was gonna rival old Drac but Frankenstein has only 19 official checks.

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Post by weirdboy » January 17th, 2020, 6:00 am

There are also something like 20 of the Tsuri baka nisshi movies, too. For human (non-fictional) characters.

And according to this page there are 23 Detective Conan movies.

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