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Post by Cippenham » December 14th, 2016, 5:31 am

max-scl on Dec 13 2016, 08:35:51 PM wrote:I hate the Popular this week section. That column is just free publicity for Disney movies, they should put an ad there and get some money instead.

But I would like it to go away and make the main section have more space. (Many times the number of official lists ends up in the line below and it's very annoying)
I agree, do not want to watch many of them, not now anyway
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Post by AdamH » December 14th, 2016, 2:18 pm

I can't really imagine why anyone would ever be interested in things like "popular this week". Regardless of your taste in cinema, features like that strike me as something no-one would ever use.

When you log into the current site, there is a "Most popular movies" section on the right.. I have to say that I never even noticed it before.
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Post by monty » December 14th, 2016, 2:52 pm

AdamH on Dec 14 2016, 07:18:41 AM wrote:I can't really imagine why anyone would ever be interested in things like "popular this week". Regardless of your taste in cinema, features like that strike me as something no-one would ever use.

When you log into the current site, there is a "Most popular movies" section on the right.. I have to say that I never even noticed it before.
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(However, it may be of use to some less versed movie watchers.)

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Post by brokenface » December 14th, 2016, 4:00 pm

I think Most Checked This Week would be better for the front page than the never-changing Most popular as at least it'll keep updating and makes the site feel more current
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Post by Armoreska » December 14th, 2016, 5:07 pm

brokenface on Dec 14 2016, 09:00:43 AM wrote:I think Most Checked This Week would be better for the front page than the never-changing Most popular as at least it'll keep updating and makes the site feel more current
Totally. That top 5 seems stuck in 2010
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Post by joachimt » December 18th, 2016, 9:30 pm

Marijn on the official forum on wrote:I'm currently working on the new profile page. There will be two separate views.

Dashboard like view if you're looking at your own profile
Normal profile view if someone else is looking at your profile
What would you like to see on each of those views? What would be useful information? Your suggestions would be really helpful.

Can someone also ask this on the unofficial forum please? I'd like as much feedback as I can get.
Please reply on the official forum. Much better chance of Marijn reading it.
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Post by AdamH » December 18th, 2016, 9:56 pm

Or, couldn't we just post our responses on this forum as that's where Marijn requested that someone asks the questions? I won't be posting on the "official" forum about it when we have our own topic here that's been running since 2013.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » December 18th, 2016, 10:29 pm

I was going to reply over there, but then I realized I'm not sure what I want on one page vs the other. I think a discussion here could be fruitful so we don't fill the thread on the other forum with back and forth discussion.

Layout aside I think the current profile page has the info I want except for the number of official checks and a breakdown of awards.

Not sure what I'd want that's different on the dashboard view.
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Post by Marijn » December 18th, 2016, 11:38 pm

AdamH on Dec 18 2016, 02:56:53 PM wrote:Or, couldn't we just post our responses on this forum as that's where Marijn requested that someone asks the questions? I won't be posting on the "official" forum about it when we have our own topic here that's been running since 2013.
If you want to discuss your opinions here first, that's fine by me. I'm not much on here, so if you've discussed it and reached a consensus please post on the official forum.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » December 19th, 2016, 1:03 am

Still not sure what I want different in the dashboard, but some things not currently in the public profile that would be nice to have:
# of official checks
Breakdown of checks into Shorts/features/TV series/TV episodes
Breakdown of awards: Plat/Gold/Silver/Bronze
More than three favourites showing right on the profile
Maybe a built in way of spotlighting specific list progress. We can do this now by putting signatures in our profile, but it might look nicer if there was a more standard way to do it.

Thoughts?

Edit: Maybe the dashboard view could have watchlisted films+lists and a top 5 recommendations right there so you don't need an extra click?
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Post by Marijn » February 10th, 2017, 6:24 pm

I've been working on something. I'm not completely happy with the new design, so I've made some changes. I would appreciate your feedback.

https://discuss.icheckmovies.com/t/iche ... ack/53/139
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Post by ChrisReynolds » February 10th, 2017, 6:40 pm

Marijn on Feb 10 2017, 11:24:00 AM wrote:I've been working on something. I'm not completely happy with the new design, so I've made some changes. I would appreciate your feedback.

https://discuss.icheckmovies.com/t/iche ... ack/53/139
Option 3 looks the best to me. I like the film strip style of the footer. I think there's too much wasted space between the top of the poster/top of the film title and the menu bar at the top.

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Post by Darth Nevets » February 10th, 2017, 7:54 pm

Not a fan of the bold in option 3, it was much more readable before. I like 2 the most, very efficient with the movie's elements at top and community/icm below the banner. The only drawback is that there may be a banner in the future with colors that clash with the text.

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Post by mightysparks » February 10th, 2017, 11:00 pm

I like 2 the most as well.
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Post by Marijn » February 11th, 2017, 12:30 pm

I've changed option 3 a bit. See the topic. Please post your feedback there, I'm not much on here.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » June 7th, 2018, 8:50 pm

The beta has a new look for film pages:
https://beta.icheckmovies.com/movies/21-fight+club
I'm impressed even this: https://beta.icheckmovies.com/movies/11 ... bez+bronya
has a faded screenshot.
Not everything does, of course: https://beta.icheckmovies.com/movies/17 ... +series+12
and of course some lack a poster: https://beta.icheckmovies.com/movies/99714-lazybones

I find this to be better than the old beta, I'm curious what others, especially those who disliked the old beta, think.
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Post by AdamH » June 7th, 2018, 8:54 pm

A nice look but one thing I really dislike is having to scroll down to see all of the official lists. Much prefer the compact view we have of official lists. The main reason I'm going on a film's page is to see which official lists it's in.

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Post by AdamH » June 7th, 2018, 8:56 pm

I'm also wondering why you need to go to "see more actions" to favourite/dislike a film? Wouldn't it be easier to just have two small buttons? I don't like things where it takes slightly longer to do simple tasks such as extra scrolling or clicking for things I want to do.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » June 7th, 2018, 8:59 pm

AdamH on Jun 7 2018, 02:54:03 PM wrote:A nice look but one thing I really dislike is having to scroll down to see all of the official lists. Much prefer the compact view we have of official lists. The main reason I'm going on a film's page is to see which official lists it's in.
Yeah I'd prefer them to be a bit more compact, and the collapsing when the page width is too small puts them at the very end which I don't like (but at least that collapse happens at a lower limit than it did on the beta).
AdamH on Jun 7 2018, 02:56:18 PM wrote:I'm also wondering why you need to go to "see more actions" to favourite/dislike a film? Wouldn't it be easier to just have two small buttons? I don't like things where it takes slightly longer to do simple tasks such as extra scrolling or clicking for things I want to do.
I agree, although those buttons are contextual. So the fave/dislike are in the more actions menu when the film is unchecked, and they're swapped with the watchlist and owned buttons when the movie is checked. So it's not as bad as it seems.

The login in the beta is kind of wonky at the moment so I can't verify it, but I'm pretty certain that's how it worked.
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Post by joachimt » June 7th, 2018, 9:06 pm

AdamH on Jun 7 2018, 02:54:03 PM wrote:A nice look but one thing I really dislike is having to scroll down to see all of the official lists. Much prefer the compact view we have of official lists. The main reason I'm going on a film's page is to see which official lists it's in.
On a movie-page in 2.0 I see the first 5 official lists it's on. If I want to see more, I have to scroll.
In 3.0 I see the first 3 official lists. So that means only for movies on 4 or 5 official lists I need to scroll on 3.0 and not on 2.0. Not such a big difference to me.
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Post by AdamH » June 7th, 2018, 9:08 pm

joachimt on Jun 7 2018, 03:06:06 PM wrote:
AdamH on Jun 7 2018, 02:54:03 PM wrote:A nice look but one thing I really dislike is having to scroll down to see all of the official lists. Much prefer the compact view we have of official lists. The main reason I'm going on a film's page is to see which official lists it's in.
On a movie-page in 2.0 I see the first 5 official lists it's on. If I want to see more, I have to scroll.
In 3.0 I see the first 3 official lists. So that means only for movies on 4 or 5 official lists I need to scroll on 3.0 and not on 2.0. Not such a big difference to me.
I don't just mean having to scroll down the page at the start. If I scroll down on Fight Club on 2.0, I can see every single list it is on in one page. Obviously the exceptions are the few films on a massive amount of official lists. I prefer that to the spread out nature of 3.0.

It's just a personal preference. I use compact view on lists for 2.0. I've always far preferred compact views of this type of thing. I like as much information as possible in a small amount of space so I can see more of it at once.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » June 7th, 2018, 9:11 pm

joachimt on Jun 7 2018, 03:06:06 PM wrote:
AdamH on Jun 7 2018, 02:54:03 PM wrote:A nice look but one thing I really dislike is having to scroll down to see all of the official lists. Much prefer the compact view we have of official lists. The main reason I'm going on a film's page is to see which official lists it's in.
On a movie-page in 2.0 I see the first 5 official lists it's on. If I want to see more, I have to scroll.
In 3.0 I see the first 3 official lists. So that means only for movies on 4 or 5 official lists I need to scroll on 3.0 and not on 2.0. Not such a big difference to me.
How tiny is your browser?
I get 6.5 on 3.0 and 11.5 in 2.0. It's not a huge issue but I do prefer the more compact display.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » June 7th, 2018, 9:16 pm

PeacefulAnarchy on Jun 7 2018, 02:59:17 PM wrote:
AdamH on Jun 7 2018, 02:56:18 PM wrote:I'm also wondering why you need to go to "see more actions" to favourite/dislike a film? Wouldn't it be easier to just have two small buttons? I don't like things where it takes slightly longer to do simple tasks such as extra scrolling or clicking for things I want to do.
I agree, although those buttons are contextual. So the fave/dislike are in the more actions menu when the film is unchecked, and they're swapped with the watchlist and owned buttons when the movie is checked. So it's not as bad as it seems.

The login in the beta is kind of wonky at the moment so I can't verify it, but I'm pretty certain that's how it worked.
Here's what it looks like:
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Post by AdamH » June 7th, 2018, 9:17 pm

I do like the screenshot at the top of the page and the style it is done in.

I also kind of like that they have the plot summary from IMDb as well although would be cool if there was a 'read more' button so it didn't get cut off. Saves you having to go on IMDb to read about it.

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Post by 72allinncallme » June 7th, 2018, 9:18 pm

No need to scroll/swipe on the phone with the 2.0. On the beta however... Might as well use pen and paper to write down my checks.
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » June 7th, 2018, 9:25 pm

72allinncallme on Jun 7 2018, 03:18:29 PM wrote:No need to scroll/swipe on the phone with the 2.0. On the beta however... Might as well use pen and paper.
What if you use the "view as desktop site setting"?
That makes it look more like I want on my phone, though it's still more scrolling than 2.0. I think as long as your phone is 720px wide that works reasonably. The smaller collapse needs some work, though. I made some suggestions about more graceful collapsing a while back and I hope they can be implemented because on smaller res phones it is definitely too much scrolling.
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Post by joachimt » June 7th, 2018, 9:32 pm

PeacefulAnarchy on Jun 7 2018, 03:11:06 PM wrote:
joachimt on Jun 7 2018, 03:06:06 PM wrote:
AdamH on Jun 7 2018, 02:54:03 PM wrote:A nice look but one thing I really dislike is having to scroll down to see all of the official lists. Much prefer the compact view we have of official lists. The main reason I'm going on a film's page is to see which official lists it's in.
On a movie-page in 2.0 I see the first 5 official lists it's on. If I want to see more, I have to scroll.
In 3.0 I see the first 3 official lists. So that means only for movies on 4 or 5 official lists I need to scroll on 3.0 and not on 2.0. Not such a big difference to me.
How tiny is your browser?
I get 6.5 on 3.0 and 11.5 in 2.0. It's not a huge issue but I do prefer the more compact display.
Ehhh... it's full screen on my laptop. I don't even know how many inches my screen is......
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » June 7th, 2018, 9:33 pm

joachimt on Jun 7 2018, 03:32:38 PM wrote:
PeacefulAnarchy on Jun 7 2018, 03:11:06 PM wrote:
joachimt on Jun 7 2018, 03:06:06 PM wrote:On a movie-page in 2.0 I see the first 5 official lists it's on. If I want to see more, I have to scroll.
In 3.0 I see the first 3 official lists. So that means only for movies on 4 or 5 official lists I need to scroll on 3.0 and not on 2.0. Not such a big difference to me.
How tiny is your browser?
I get 6.5 on 3.0 and 11.5 in 2.0. It's not a huge issue but I do prefer the more compact display.
Ehhh... it's full screen on my laptop. I don't even know how many inches my screen is......
Inches don't matter, pixels. But yeah I guess 1920x1080 still isn't everywhere, especially on laptops.

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Post by joachimt » June 7th, 2018, 9:35 pm

Found it
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » June 7th, 2018, 9:45 pm

joachimt on Jun 7 2018, 03:35:25 PM wrote:Found it
1366x768
Yup, that'll make you scroll a lot nowadays. Since pages are increasingly designed with phones in mind and phones are flipped with the long side vertical, websites use gigantic (relatively speaking) headers and icheckmovies is no different in that regard. If you're used to that much scrolling everywhere you don't notice the difference of 30-40% more scrolling since it's all too much scrolling anyway.

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Post by Gorro » June 7th, 2018, 11:15 pm

I dislike that you cant see the exact amount of checks when the count is above 1k. In the previous beta you could at least see that when mousing over the number, but even that is gone now.

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Post by flaiky » June 7th, 2018, 11:40 pm

I really like the new layout on the whole, it's looks smarter and more professional, I just can't believe how long it's taking. This thread started in 2013 and I remember seeing previews around then. It's hard to believe it still hasn't gone live. Five years later.

I understand that there's only one guy working on it now, and it's not his full time job, but still...Five years.

There's no beta for the font page or profile pages, so I don't have my hopes up for anything happening before the end of this year. Sigh.
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » June 8th, 2018, 12:00 am

Marijn started rewriting things from scratch after Erik and Piet left, and there was a lot of blowback against the previous beta, so that's probably part of why it's taken so long, besides the whole one person doing everything in their spare time aspect, of course. I think the current version started only last year.
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Post by max-scl » June 8th, 2018, 12:09 am

AdamH on Jun 7 2018, 02:54:03 PM wrote:A nice look but one thing I really dislike is having to scroll down to see all of the official lists. Much prefer the compact view we have of official lists. The main reason I'm going on a film's page is to see which official lists it's in.
I agree with this.

And also I'd like to have comments section further down below because they're mostly useless and sometimes they contain spoilers. Even in letterboxd which is ABOUT the comments of the movie, they're not so prominent and you have to scroll down to see them.

I would just put the lists it's on there, in more than one column if necessary instead of the comments.

The overall look is better than today.

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Post by Fergenaprido » June 8th, 2018, 12:37 am

Overall it's an improvement on the previous beta, but I still prefer the current version :D

I echo the sentiments already mentioned about extra actions and scrolling.

I like the new default image for no poster.

I also see a new id in the URL... is the plan to switch completely to IDs instead of the title in the URLs? I noticed in another thread that the new Ariel winner had it's title updated, but the old URL automatically redirected to the new one instead of throwing a 404, which is great!

Lastly, for each official list, the format is as such:
IMAGE - List Name
# Films - Film rank

Using Fight Club as an example:
MovieSense 101
101 MOVIES · AT #3

I think it would be less cluttered to be:
MovieSense 101
3/101 MOVIES

or something similar. It also makes the line shorter, so you don't see unnecessary lengthening of that column like in PA's narrow screenshot.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » June 8th, 2018, 12:42 am

Fergenaprido on Jun 7 2018, 06:37:18 PM wrote:I also see a new id in the URL... is the plan to switch completely to IDs instead of the title in the URLs? I noticed in another thread that the new Ariel winner had it's title updated, but the old URL automatically redirected to the new one instead of throwing a 404, which is great!
This has always happened. But only sometimes. I've never figured out what makes a handful of films redirect when most don't.

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Post by mightysparks » June 8th, 2018, 2:36 am

I'm not sure exactly what changed, though I noticed the stats were moved to the top. But it does kinda feel number-clunky now (maybe nicer with colour?). I hate hate hate sites that just fill a page with images and you have to scroll for ages to get to the text. I think the cover images and posters look classy on 3.0 though. And I think the film stats are much easier to read in 3.0 than 2.0. I would like to see exact numbers though, rather than just '1k'.

Buttt.... pretty much the only thing I look at on a film's page are the lists it's in. It's very difficult to see at first glance, especially with the progress bar missing from lists (to indicate the film's position). This is a site about lists, and I feel like I see more about other people's comments and activity before I get to the lists and they still feel like a bit of an afterthought. I don't really use any tabs on a film's page, so I like to get the most relevant and important information from the front page.

I can't log into the beta right now, but I occasionally use it to try and get used to but find it so difficult and clunky to use I have to go back to 2.0. The ... menus for things like going to IMDb from a list page are really frustrating because I go to IMDb for any film that I'm looking at or considering watching. With my RSI, any extra clicks or scrolling make things too painful after a while and I just can't use them.

I just looked at my first posts in this thread and realised I've been saying the same thing for 5 years lol.
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » June 8th, 2018, 2:46 am

mightysparks on Jun 7 2018, 08:36:32 PM wrote:I can't log into the beta right now, but I occasionally use it to try and get used to but find it so difficult and clunky to use I have to go back to 2.0. The ... menus for things like going to IMDb from a list page are really frustrating because I go to IMDb for any film that I'm looking at or considering watching. With my RSI, any extra clicks or scrolling make things too painful after a while and I just can't use them.
This is possible again in 3.0, btw, don't know when those list pages will go live.

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Post by xianjiro » June 8th, 2018, 8:02 am

I don't use 3.0 much - mostly because since so many things weren't yet working, it still makes most sense to go to 2.0. NOTE: since starting this post I've been trying more of the links and find that most of the 3.0 site is actually up and working - or at least returns us to v2.0 pages for those not yet programmed.

1) The sort on the progress page is still useless! In 3.0 right now the first six lists are 100 Animated Feature..., FLM's Best Swedish..., 100 Best British..., FOK! top 250, 100 Classic Martial Arts..., Francois Truffaut's... - yes, in that order. Yes, it sorts correctly if I maximize my browser - but I hate this because the screen's way too wide (also 1366x768) to be able to read text articles comfortably. Also, maximized makes updating the spreadsheet much more cumbersome since I can't have two windows side by side. I find scrolling left/right even more freaking annoying since I always lose my place. (And yes, I've stopped visiting websites because of this design flaw feature.

2) I find that there is no obvious listing of personal stats on Official Top Lists pages equally annoying. Have to click "All" and then the numbers in the blue balloons are rather too small for me to be able to read comfortably; or maybe it's the white text on blue background or something. (I see the text is slightly smaller on 2.0, but I just find the tabbed version easier to read and use). Also, there's the issue about needing to have the screen positioned for the "All" menu to display, but this would be more minor if the pages loaded quicker.

3) Simply put, I don't expect to use 3.0 on my phone any more than 2.0 - which means never. I've tried when I've been at the library and it's just easier to check things out from the library, bring them home, and then check to see if I've seen them on the laptop or if they are official checks. My phone is pretty small (480x800) and I'm not interested in trying to cram anything larger into my shirt pocket.

4) The design looks good, especially the film's individual page.

5) https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/quee ... /xianjiro/ - 2.0 displays fine, 3.0 says "There doesn't seem to be anything in this list…" No idea WTF's up with that.

6) Page load times, especially for long lists like Zombies, just seem very slow. It takes at least 20 seconds before I can interact with the page in any way.

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Post by xianjiro » June 8th, 2018, 8:19 am

ps: If using 3.0 on my laptop screen is bad, forced maximization when I'm using my flatscreen TV as a monitor will really suck ass. And yes, I don't do this quite as often, but do connect it up four or more days a week.

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sol can find me here

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