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Post by SkilledLunatic » June 5th, 2014, 2:19 pm

bobbybrown on Jun 5 2014, 07:19:05 AM wrote:Such tolerance. Should we stone her for not being as desensitized to explicit imagery as we are, because there's like zero chance that someone who doesn't enjoy watching it may be triggered by such things? And while we're at it, let's repeat the same for poor weaklings disgusted by rape, war, torture and animal cruelty. because apparently we as the humanity ran out of empathy right after 1950s. I'm okay with all kinds of awfulness on screen, but I don't think anyone deserves to be ridiculed for their personal sensivity level as long as they don't try to force it on other people.

And the funny thing is, according to Haneke, being disgusted by violence in Funny Games is the only correct way for a sane person to react to the film. Talking about surface.

(I think I am actually a bitter sourpuss. Damn.)
That's why I made the comparison though, because to me Funny Games was truly horrifying, even if it wasn't graphic. I guess I'm pretty desensitized though, specially to foul language. I can barely speak English without cursing....I blame American movies :whistling:
PS: Escape From New York really isn't that bloody. Only 2 moments I can think of where significant amounts of blood are shown.

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Post by mightysparks » June 5th, 2014, 2:21 pm

I couldn't care less what Haneke thinks about his own films, but isn't the 'correct' response to violence always disgust?
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Post by Knaldskalle » June 5th, 2014, 6:06 pm

bobbybrown on Jun 5 2014, 07:19:05 AM wrote:Such tolerance. Should we stone her for not being as desensitized to explicit imagery as we are, because there's like zero chance that someone who doesn't enjoy watching it may be triggered by such things? And while we're at it, let's repeat the same for poor weaklings disgusted by rape, war, torture and animal cruelty. because apparently we as the humanity ran out of empathy right after 1950s. I'm okay with all kinds of awfulness on screen, but I don't think anyone deserves to be ridiculed for their personal sensivity level as long as they don't try to force it on other people.

And the funny thing is, according to Haneke, being disgusted by violence in Funny Games is the only correct way for a sane person to react to the film. Talking about surface.

(I think I am actually a bitter sourpuss. Damn.)
If we're desensitized, it's not to the act of violence itself, but to the degree to which it is graphic. Someone getting shot by James Cagney, grabbing his stomach and dropping dead is no less a "victim" of violence than someone getting their ear cut off by Michael Madsen. The only difference is the degree to which it's being made explicit on the screen (or off-screen in some cases). Now that difference can certainly make a big difference in how you perceive a movie (and whether you like it or not), but to complain about the presence of violence itself in movies is hypocritical when you have Gun Crazy, Throne of Blood and Psycho listed among your favorites. It's not the presence or absence of violence that's really her issue, it's the degree to which it's made graphic and that's a categorically different issue.
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Post by Knaldskalle » June 5th, 2014, 6:08 pm

FWIW, I have Funny Games at home from the library right now. I'm very hesitant to put it on. I've only seen one other Haneke movie, The Piano Teacher, and I thoroughly disliked that one. It felt dishonest to me.
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Post by Kasparius » June 5th, 2014, 6:11 pm

If you though Piano Teacher was dishonest... Funny Games is dishonest and condescending.

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Post by mightysparks » June 5th, 2014, 6:12 pm

Funny Games is the only Haneke that I've liked (didn't love it, but it was good). I don't think it's as clever as some people make it out to be, but it's not bad. It was a long time ago I saw it, but I remember loving that 10 minute long scene near the end.
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Post by Kasparius » June 5th, 2014, 6:13 pm

I hate it, it's basically torture porn passing itself off for a civic message. Fucking garbage.

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Post by SkilledLunatic » June 5th, 2014, 6:21 pm

Knald, only you can say if you're going to like it or not but I can say with certainty that you will not forget this film.

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Post by Knaldskalle » June 5th, 2014, 6:28 pm

Kasparius on Jun 5 2014, 12:13:42 PM wrote:I hate it, it's basically torture porn passing itself off for a civic message. Fucking garbage.
See, that's exactly what I was afraid of... I just know I won't like his movies. Sigh.
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Post by mightysparks » June 5th, 2014, 6:38 pm

I don't think it's torture porn at all, but then I hate that term more than 'pretentious' and I'd only label a few films with it; crap like August Underground and Slaughtered Vomit Dolls.
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Post by bal3x » June 5th, 2014, 11:42 pm

bobbybrown on Jun 5 2014, 07:19:05 AM wrote:I don't think anyone deserves to be ridiculed for their personal sensivity level as long as they don't try to force it on other people.
I agree with this statement. While one does not have to agree with what she says I don't see anything worthy of ridicule in her comments. Perhaps she's a conservative older person who prefers less violent films, this is perfectly OK, I don't think we need to make fun of that.

That being said I feel strange to see Escape From New York being singled out as particularly violent, perhaps I don't remember the film clearly... But I don't recall anything of the sort there except perhaps a couple of short episodes. Certainly nothing out of the 'ordinary' in terms of regular output of the time... But I would tend to agree about Reservoir Dogs, which definitely overdoes it, I can certainly see this one being hated by many just because of the excessive violence, I think it would have been a much better film if the gore was reduced. At least this aspect was interfering with my perception of this film since there was an excellent script and acting, but I guess this is my general problem with QT... I feel he overdoes it, but that's his style.

I would actually say Funny Games is indeed a much worse offender than any other films mentioned since it portrays the "real" stuff and somehow I cannot help but think this film really does not achieve its objective of delivering the 'message'...

But to celebrate Unit 731 is indeed a completely different matter... now that is absolutely disgusting!
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Post by Gershwin » June 6th, 2014, 12:09 pm

Knaldskalle on Jun 5 2014, 12:28:32 PM wrote:
Kasparius on Jun 5 2014, 12:13:42 PM wrote:I hate it, it's basically torture porn passing itself off for a civic message. Fucking garbage.
See, that's exactly what I was afraid of... I just know I won't like his movies. Sigh.
I'm not so sure about that. I really, thoroughly hate Funny Games, I thought The Piano Teacher was unsettling but not that special, but I loved The White Ribbon and Amour.
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Post by Kowry » June 6th, 2014, 12:18 pm

Gershwin on Jun 6 2014, 06:09:05 AM wrote:
Knaldskalle on Jun 5 2014, 12:28:32 PM wrote:
Kasparius on Jun 5 2014, 12:13:42 PM wrote:I hate it, it's basically torture porn passing itself off for a civic message. Fucking garbage.
See, that's exactly what I was afraid of... I just know I won't like his movies. Sigh.
I'm not so sure about that. I really, thoroughly hate Funny Games, I thought The Piano Teacher was unsettling but not that special, but I loved The White Ribbon and Amour.
Caché is my favorite from Haneke. It's pretty good and I've seen several people who hate some of his movies like that one too. I thought Piano Teacher was interesting, though I'm a bit conflicted about it. Was pretty indifferent towards Amour, haven't seen Funny Games.

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Post by SkilledLunatic » June 6th, 2014, 12:46 pm

Caché is also one of my favorites. I've seen a bit of The White Ribbon on TV and what I saw was interesting. Not a big fan of Funny Games.
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Post by SkilledLunatic » June 27th, 2014, 6:21 pm

I love this comment on the IMDB topic named How Has Frozen Changed Your Life?
Jane_the_Giant_Killer on wrote:If Frozen hasn't changed your life, you might be dead inside.
:lol: These young ones get me everytime :D
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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » June 27th, 2014, 7:28 pm

SkilledLunatic on Jun 27 2014, 12:21:39 PM wrote:I love this comment on the IMDB topic named How Has Frozen Changed Your Life?
Jane_the_Giant_Killer on wrote:If Frozen hasn't changed your life, you might be dead inside.
:lol: These young ones get me everytime :D
I haven't seen the film, but that is hilarious.

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Post by funkybusiness » June 27th, 2014, 7:32 pm

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Jun 27 2014, 01:28:11 PM wrote:
SkilledLunatic on Jun 27 2014, 12:21:39 PM wrote:I love this comment on the IMDB topic named How Has Frozen Changed Your Life?
Jane_the_Giant_Killer on wrote:If Frozen hasn't changed your life, you might be dead inside.
:lol: These young ones get me everytime :D
I haven't seen the film, but that is hilarious.
Well if you haven't seen it I guess that's an okay excuse for why Frozen hasn't changed your life...

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » June 27th, 2014, 7:34 pm

funkybusiness on Jun 27 2014, 01:32:12 PM wrote:
Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Jun 27 2014, 01:28:11 PM wrote:
SkilledLunatic on Jun 27 2014, 12:21:39 PM wrote:I love this comment on the IMDB topic named How Has Frozen Changed Your Life?
:lol: These young ones get me everytime :D
I haven't seen the film, but that is hilarious.
Well if you haven't seen it I guess that's an okay excuse for why Frozen hasn't changed your life...
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Post by brokenface » June 27th, 2014, 7:39 pm

Frozen changed my life. Before seeing Frozen I had never in my life seen Frozen. now I have seen Frozen. although I've pretty much forgotten it already.

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » June 27th, 2014, 7:46 pm

brokenface on Jun 27 2014, 01:39:38 PM wrote:Frozen changed my life. Before seeing Frozen I had never in my life seen Frozen. now I have seen Frozen. although I've pretty much forgotten it already.
I have not wanted to mention it before now, but since you've brought it out into the open, I did see the moment when Frozen came up on your activity feed, and I couldn't help but notice that since then you have been a slightly kinder, gentler soul, someone who seems existentially, spiritually more at ease with himself, someone who thinks of the feelings of his fellow iCMers more often, someone who, I suspect, finally understands the true meaning of Christmas. No, there are two brokenfaces, one b.f. and one a.f.

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Post by brokenface » June 27th, 2014, 8:22 pm

finally someone notices :innocent:

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Post by joachimt » June 27th, 2014, 10:11 pm

Frozen as in the 2013 animated movie? I just watched the trailer and it changed my life. Before I had never heard of it, after I know I'm not interested in seeing Frozen.
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Post by AdamH » June 28th, 2014, 12:13 am

I hope St. Gloede posts about this as he really likes Frozen.

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Post by SkilledLunatic » June 28th, 2014, 12:54 am

I also liked Frozen, rated it a 7/10.

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Post by Knaldskalle » June 28th, 2014, 1:05 am

I liked the Nordic setting and the snowman (Olaf?). Other than that, standard Disney fare, better than some, worse than some.
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Post by SkilledLunatic » June 28th, 2014, 1:29 am

I like how Disney evolved and played with their prior cliches. Not very edgy but at least shows a little preoccupation with the times. The Nordic setting was pretty good favoring the beautiful animation. The characters were okay. "Let it go" is catchy as hell.
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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » June 28th, 2014, 1:31 am

I'm assuming that it's not even close to their classics though. Although my favourite Disney film is Beauty and the Beast. I actually prefer it over the Cocteau version (also a masterpiece). Not as good as Juraj Herz's though.
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Post by SkilledLunatic » June 28th, 2014, 1:36 am

It's not a masterpiece but it's the best thing Disney made in this century. It's a whole lot better then The Lego Movie, I watched 10 min of that and was impressed on how silly and unfunny it was, even though the animation is flawless.

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » June 28th, 2014, 1:38 am

SkilledLunatic on Jun 27 2014, 07:36:10 PM wrote:It's not a masterpiece but it's the best thing Disney made in this century. It's a whole lot better then The Lego Movie, I watched 10 min of that and was impressed on how silly and unfunny it was, even though the animation is flawless.
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Post by SkilledLunatic » June 28th, 2014, 1:45 am

Wow that was bad...and bizarre. The movie ain't that random from what I've seen but it's just as silly. Still I've only seen 10 minutes of it, going to watch the whole thing tonight.
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Post by CMT » June 28th, 2014, 3:15 am

I hate Let it Go. It seems to be playing everywhere.

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Post by SkilledLunatic » June 28th, 2014, 3:43 am

Not here luckily. Never even heard "let it go" before. It's too polished for me but I have too admit it's catchy!

Btw, I watched The Lego Movie and it's not as bad as the game and the ANIMATION IS FUCKING AWESOME! MAKES ME WISH THAT I DIDN'T THREW ALL MY LEGOS OUT! But that ends up being the problem with this movie, it tries to have a moral, but it comes off like propaganda.
Good propaganda with nice voice acting, specially by Morgan Freeman and Liam Neeson, but propaganda nonetheless.
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Post by Kasparius » June 28th, 2014, 5:41 am

AdamH on Jun 27 2014, 06:13:32 PM wrote:I hope St. Gloede posts about this as he really likes Frozen.
I think it rocked both his world and his universe

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Post by joachimt » June 28th, 2014, 8:06 am

SkilledLunatic on Jun 27 2014, 09:43:57 PM wrote:......MAKES ME WISH THAT I DIDN'T THREW ALL MY LEGOS OUT! ......
Luckily, my mother didn't throw out my lego. So now I've got kids, I have a good excuse to play with my old lego again. :)
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Post by St. Gloede » June 29th, 2014, 10:26 pm

Well Frozen is nowhere near being on my favorites list, and the first time I saw it I didn't exactly love it (seen it twice with different sections of the family) but on a rewatch I was pretty drawn in. The songs are pretty great, the characters are fun, the story is charming, and it has some good morals/twists on the classic Disney story-arcs. joachimt the trailer is rather misrepresenting the film - a lot - so you might still like it. Not a big fan of Disney so it might be faint praise, but it's definitely their best animated film since The Lion King (which I need to rewatch).

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Post by Knaldskalle » June 30th, 2014, 2:03 am

St. Gloede on Jun 29 2014, 04:26:03 PM wrote:Well Frozen is nowhere near being on my favorites list, and the first time I saw it I didn't exactly love it (seen it twice with different sections of the family) but on a rewatch I was pretty drawn in. The songs are pretty great, the characters are fun, the story is charming, and it has some good morals/twists on the classic Disney story-arcs. joachimt the trailer is rather misrepresenting the film - a lot - so you might still like it. Not a big fan of Disney so it might be faint praise, but it's definitely their best animated film since The Lion King (which I need to rewatch).
I saw The Lion King recently. Still holds up, it's one of Disney's better ones.
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Post by Armoreska » July 3rd, 2014, 1:45 pm

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Post by Kowry » July 3rd, 2014, 7:42 pm

I just revisited American Beauty. Have pretty mixed feelings about the film, but its icm page has some great comments:
Pretentious garbage. People like this film because they feel like they should. This is one of those classic "if you didn't like it, you didn't get it" type movies. No, people get it, it just sucks.
it photographs really well, but I found the film overall boring. the title in itself is misleading, as if to represent the American beauty instead of An American beauty (one)
John Cho sould not be know for appering in this movie a few seconds.
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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » July 3rd, 2014, 8:38 pm

Kowry on Jul 3 2014, 01:42:54 PM wrote:I just revisited American Beauty. Have pretty mixed feelings about the film, but its icm page has some great comments:
Pretentious garbage. People like this film because they feel like they should. This is one of those classic "if you didn't like it, you didn't get it" type movies. No, people get it, it just sucks.
it photographs really well, but I found the film overall boring. the title in itself is misleading, as if to represent the American beauty instead of An American beauty (one)
John Cho sould not be know for appering in this movie a few seconds.
4/5
The second comment is inane and unclear.

As for the first comment, one thing American Beauty is NOT is a challenging film that people would feel compelled to feign liking in order not to risk being seen as not getting it. If anything, the film can be accused of being facile.
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