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#2081

Post by Leopardi » July 14th, 2019, 9:46 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
July 14th, 2019, 9:28 pm
Maybe not 100% accurate, since official list counts haven't always been accurate but here's some data:
(I'm still looking to see how far I have data)
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May 1 2019 15185
Apr 1 2019 15176
Mar 1 15170
Feb 1 15074
Jan 1 15049
Dec 2018 15037
Nov 2018 15032
OCt 2018 15009
Sep 2018 15001
Aug 2018 14989
Jul 2018 14980
Jun 2018 14977
May 2018 14894
Apr 2018 14869
Mar 2018 14859
Feb 2018 14854
Jan 2018 14987
Dec 2017 14967
Nov 2017 14959
OCt 2017 14920
Sep 2017 14936
Aug 2017 14893
Jul 2017 14881
Jun 2017 14758
May 2017 14730
Apr 2017 14692
Mar 2017 14719
Feb 2017 14708
Jan 2017 14695
Dec 2016 14657
Nov 2016 14640
OCt 2016 14629
Sep 2016 14623
Aug 2016 14637
Jul 2016 14629
Jun 2016 14482
May 2016 14455
Apr 2016
Mar 2016
Feb 2016 14186
Jan 2016 14159
Dec 2015 14137
Nov 2015 14132
OCt 2015 13629
Sep 2015 13604
Aug 2015 13615
Jul 2015 13609
Jun 2015 13001
May 2015 12912
Apr 2015 12908
Mar 2015 12591
Feb 2015 12561
Jan 2015 12546
Dec 2014 12508
Nov 2014 16505
OCt 2014
Sep 2014 12482
Aug 2014 12464
Jul 2014 11873
Jun 2014 11888
May 2014 11835
Apr 2014 11829
Mar 2014 11838
Feb 2014 11826
Jan 2014 11811 (Noir and AFa lists adopted here)
Dec 2013 10590
Nov 2013
OCt 2013
Sep 2013
Aug 2013
Jul 2013
Jun 2013
May 2013
Apr 2013
Mar 2013
Feb 2013
Jan 2013
Wow, thanks for compiling this! I figured this sort of information would have been lost for good!

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#2082

Post by PeacefulAnarchy » July 14th, 2019, 10:03 pm

You can mostly thank 1SO for keeping monthly track of his checks and how many he's missing since 2012. Aug 2012 seems to be as far back as it goes. There's probably other info around, but it's probably harder to dig for that.
You can use the wayback machine for less accurate estimates
https://web.archive.org/web/20110225210 ... rofile/top
That page lists profiles and if you hover over the bar you get a percentage.
So on Feb 25 2011: 4425 was 63% so about 7000 official checks
Jul 22 2010 : 3736 was 59% so about 6300 official checks.
Jan 17, 2010: 3670 was 65% so about 5600 official checks.

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#2083

Post by 1SO » July 17th, 2019, 12:35 am

What Have I Done...

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#2084

Post by beasterne » July 21st, 2019, 5:27 pm

Should the description of the Kinema Junpo top list be updated? It references a top 100 but there are currently 199 entries on the list.

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/kine ... ese+films/

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Post by joachimt » July 21st, 2019, 6:28 pm

beasterne wrote:
July 21st, 2019, 5:27 pm
Should the description of the Kinema Junpo top list be updated? It references a top 100 but there are currently 199 entries on the list.

https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/kine ... ese+films/
I guess you're right. Maybe it shouldn't say a number, because 199 seems a bit weird. The source page isn't online anymore, but it's on the waybackmachine:
https://web.archive.org/web/20120330015 ... index.html
I count 198 titles there.
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Post by dirty_score » July 21st, 2019, 10:34 pm

No, the title is right, it's the number of movies that's wrong. 200 is just too much. Less is better! :thumbsup:

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » July 24th, 2019, 7:02 pm

https://theprint.in/india/2-months-afte ... et/265912/

Been waiting for an update for two months, guess I'll have to keep waiting.


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Post by xianjiro » July 26th, 2019, 1:39 am

one might say it's a monster of a boxset

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Post by maxwelldeux » July 26th, 2019, 6:16 am

xianjiro wrote:
July 26th, 2019, 1:39 am
one might say it's a monster of a boxset
No. One might not.

It's actually a combo of :facepalm: :lol: reading that... :P

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#2091

Post by Onderhond » July 26th, 2019, 6:35 am

Are all these films really going to become official? :D
Bit of a farce.
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Post by Teproc » July 26th, 2019, 6:53 am

xianjiro wrote:
July 26th, 2019, 1:39 am
one might say it's a monster of a boxset
The King of All Boxsets.

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Post by xianjiro » July 26th, 2019, 7:27 am

Onderhond wrote:
July 26th, 2019, 6:35 am
Are all these films really going to become official? :D
Bit of a farce.
in English we have a saying, "in for a penny, in for a pound," which, believe it or not, is even said in countries where they haven't used pounds as currency for centuries (including the US)

Simply put, it's the joy of accepting the Criterion Collection as 'official' - it would be hard to pick and choose which Criterion releases merit official status. Just take that Olympic collection as a great example. Prior to the megaset's release, three or four titles were official (I know both the Berlin Olympiads and I think also one about Tokyo but I can't remember for certain if the German winter games from 36 was also included or just a special feature).

I've never been a kaiju fan to begin with, but according to the unofficial list Giant Monster All-Out Attack: The Kaiju List, 29 of 113 kaiju movies are already official - I'd say, for better or for worse (and I'll admit I may have miscounted by one since I had to scroll).

I won't volunteer to say which titles under spine 1000 should or shouldn't be official, even though it's a safe bet that the arguing will continue for some time. But like the Olympics pack, I'll watch, rate, and check until such a time as the Criterion Collection is made unofficial. Until that boxset arrives, I will be annoyed that I won't be able to say I'm within 20 checks of platinum on the Criterion List. Now THAT'S the REAL crime! :P

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » July 26th, 2019, 7:47 am

xianjiro wrote:
July 26th, 2019, 7:27 am
I won't volunteer to say which titles under spine 1000 should or shouldn't be official, even though it's a safe bet that the arguing will continue for some time.
What do you mean? Seems pretty clear here:
From Criterion wrote: Spine #1000

Films In This Set

Godzilla
1954

Godzilla Raids Again
1955

King Kong vs. Godzilla
1963

Mothra vs. Godzilla
1964

Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster
1964

Invasion of Astro-Monster
1965

Ebirah, Horror of the Deep
1966

Son of Godzilla
1967

Destroy All Monsters
1968

All Monsters Attack
1969

Godzilla vs. Hedorah
1971

Godzilla vs. Gigan
1972

Godzilla vs. Megalon
1973

Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla
1974

Terror of Mechagodzilla
1975
That's the film listing on the page, I omitted the summaries.

Below in contents
High-definition digital transfers of all fifteen Godzilla films made between 1954 and 1975, released together for the first time, with uncompressed monaural soundtracks
So those 15 films are pretty clearly the entries.

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#2095

Post by xianjiro » July 26th, 2019, 7:57 am

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
July 26th, 2019, 7:47 am
xianjiro wrote:
July 26th, 2019, 7:27 am
I won't volunteer to say which titles under spine 1000 should or shouldn't be official, even though it's a safe bet that the arguing will continue for some time.
What do you mean? Seems pretty clear here:
From Criterion wrote: Spine #1000

Films In This Set

Godzilla
1954

Godzilla Raids Again
1955

King Kong vs. Godzilla
1963

Mothra vs. Godzilla
1964

Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster
1964

Invasion of Astro-Monster
1965

Ebirah, Horror of the Deep
1966

Son of Godzilla
1967

Destroy All Monsters
1968

All Monsters Attack
1969

Godzilla vs. Hedorah
1971

Godzilla vs. Gigan
1972

Godzilla vs. Megalon
1973

Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla
1974

Terror of Mechagodzilla
1975
That's the film listing on the page, I omitted the summaries.

Below in contents
High-definition digital transfers of all fifteen Godzilla films made between 1954 and 1975, released together for the first time, with uncompressed monaural soundtracks
So those 15 films are pretty clearly the entries.
I was speaking more in the figurative sense - especially since forum members will likely argue about the 'value' of this release for some days or weeks (if past discussions are any predictor of the future).

I'm fine with your list and didn't mean to suggest you were either including or excluding a title based on your personal preference. The rules are pretty clear surrounding features released under a spine number.

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#2096

Post by Ebbywebby » July 26th, 2019, 8:53 am

Six of the 15 are already official...right?

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Post by WalterNeff » July 26th, 2019, 4:57 pm

You should see the discussion arguing on the Criterion FB page. Makes the discussions on this forum look like a Quaker roundtable.

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Post by Ebbywebby » July 26th, 2019, 6:54 pm

WalterNeff wrote:
July 26th, 2019, 4:57 pm
You should see the discussion arguing on the Criterion FB page. Makes the discussions on this forum look like a Quaker roundtable.
I looked...what I saw didn't seem too violent. No? At a glance, it looks like the big issues are 1) they want the English-dubbed versions too 2) they think the box is oversized and too difficult to store on a shelf with their other DVDs. But these complaints didn't draw any violent opposition, so.....

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Post by WalterNeff » July 26th, 2019, 7:43 pm

Ebbywebby wrote:
July 26th, 2019, 6:54 pm
WalterNeff wrote:
July 26th, 2019, 4:57 pm
You should see the discussion arguing on the Criterion FB page. Makes the discussions on this forum look like a Quaker roundtable.
I looked...what I saw didn't seem too violent. No? At a glance, it looks like the big issues are 1) they want the English-dubbed versions too 2) they think the box is oversized and too difficult to store on a shelf with their other DVDs. But these complaints didn't draw any violent opposition, so.....
Maybe we're looking at 2 different pages. Big discussion about the official-worthiness (sound familiar?) of the set, as well as the artwork.

I suggested that if it weren't already a Criterion release that "M" should be the logical 1000th spine number.

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#2100

Post by Ebbywebby » July 26th, 2019, 7:49 pm

The Bergman box would have been a more appropriate choice than the big lizards.

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Post by xianjiro » July 26th, 2019, 7:52 pm

Oh admit it, you're just a herpetophobe!

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Post by albajos » July 26th, 2019, 7:53 pm

Well, the Millenium-trilogy would in name be a better choice, but maybe they'll waut to 2000

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Post by Ebbywebby » July 26th, 2019, 7:55 pm

I submitted several updates to make Criterion's new kaiju movies easier to find on ICM...now, the only two exceptions are "Invasion of Astro-Monster" ("Godzilla vs. Monster Zero" on IMDb/ICM) and "Ebirah, Horror of the Deep" ("Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster" on IMDb/ICM).


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Post by Knaldskalle » July 28th, 2019, 9:07 pm

WalterNeff wrote:
July 26th, 2019, 8:00 pm
Now it's up to Knalds
And added. Let me know if I made any mistakes.
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Post by frbrown » July 28th, 2019, 9:40 pm

With that, Criterion passes Doubling the Canon to become the longest official list.

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Post by WalterNeff » July 29th, 2019, 1:28 am

frbrown wrote:
July 28th, 2019, 9:40 pm
With that, Criterion passes Doubling the Canon to become the longest official list.
Until TSPDT Top 5000 Noirs gets released.

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Post by WalterNeff » August 4th, 2019, 3:32 pm

Apu wrote:
August 4th, 2019, 10:43 am
Speaking of noir and TSPDT: http://www.theyshootpictures.com/noir1000updates.htm
Thanks, updated.

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Post by Ebbywebby » August 4th, 2019, 8:53 pm

Dog Day Afternoon, noir? Sheesh.

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Post by xianjiro » August 4th, 2019, 9:23 pm

Okay, let's have a knockout round here - Dog Day Afternoon v Fight Club - which one is a better match for an overlong noir list? :think: :shrug:

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Post by monclivie » August 7th, 2019, 9:34 pm

I expect even more farfetched choices since it looks like almost every new addition is a random title picked from this list - https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/a+co ... ort=checks

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Post by WalterNeff » August 8th, 2019, 12:15 am

monclivie wrote:
August 7th, 2019, 9:34 pm
I expect even more farfetched choices since it looks like almost every new addition is a random title picked from this list - https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/a+co ... ort=checks
That's our next official list :whistling:

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Post by sol » August 13th, 2019, 1:17 pm

366 Weird Films - technically this is film #367: https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/kat ... no+kofuku/

Link: https://366weirdmovies.com/1-the-happin ... uris-2001/

Are we updating the 366 Weird iCM list beyond film #366? This has come up in debate on another thread.
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Post by Coryn » August 13th, 2019, 1:46 pm

Absolutely imo
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Post by cinephage » August 13th, 2019, 3:24 pm

sol wrote:
August 13th, 2019, 1:17 pm
366 Weird Films - technically this is film #367: https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/kat ... no+kofuku/

Link: https://366weirdmovies.com/1-the-happin ... uris-2001/

Are we updating the 366 Weird iCM list beyond film #366? This has come up in debate on another thread.
These are the runners up, if I understand correctly :
The movie’s inclusion on the secondary list of Apocrypha titles was assured, and it’s a highly appropriate choice for the inaugural title in our runners-up category.
Personally, I wouldn't be against the inclusion of the runners-up category in our official list, though...

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Post by Fergenaprido » August 13th, 2019, 4:58 pm

cinephage wrote:
August 13th, 2019, 3:24 pm
sol wrote:
August 13th, 2019, 1:17 pm
366 Weird Films - technically this is film #367: https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/kat ... no+kofuku/

Link: https://366weirdmovies.com/1-the-happin ... uris-2001/

Are we updating the 366 Weird iCM list beyond film #366? This has come up in debate on another thread.
These are the runners up, if I understand correctly :
The movie’s inclusion on the secondary list of Apocrypha titles was assured, and it’s a highly appropriate choice for the inaugural title in our runners-up category.
Personally, I wouldn't be against the inclusion of the runners-up category in our official list, though...
They're creating another list of 366 runners-up. I think it will be an interesting and amusing list, but I don't think it should be official. Keep it as a separate list.

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Post by Ebbywebby » August 13th, 2019, 8:18 pm

I'm a big fan of the 366 Weird list (I'm ranked #17) but, yeah, I think the Apocrypha titles are a secondary animal.

I wish they'd fiddle with the original list instead -- it has some weak choices. I recently saw "Millennium Actress" and...no way. "Vertigo." "A Serious Man." "Beasts of the Southern Wild." "The Night of the Hunter." "Spirited Away." "Don't Look Now." "Batman Returns." "Zero de Conduit." "Le Proces." "The Pornographers." Most of the Fellinis. I haven't seen "Silent Hill," but I can't imagine it qualifies. Tighten that sh*t up.

See Blier's "Calmos" (not on the list, not an official check, only checked by 64 users) and compare. For instance.

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Post by Ebbywebby » August 13th, 2019, 8:21 pm

I'd be happy to start maintaining an ICM "Apocrypha" list to mirror the 366 site's, but maybe it's silly to start one until a few titles have accumulated.

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Post by nimimerkillinen » August 16th, 2019, 1:05 pm

i think it definitely should be official, there is top-1000 noir, why not 1000 weird movie list :(

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