Fergenaprido wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 9:01 am
xianjiro wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 7:29 am
Fergenaprido wrote: ↑December 4th, 2019, 3:43 am
It's not like he's trying to make a son out of her for his own interest
This is the one thing I rather disagree upon - I saw the father as raising a 'son' to be an instrument in his revenge though I do get the sense as well that dad didn't want a 'weaker' child who could be preyed on. Still, some might argue a girly-girl might have been a better asset in a plot since it's clear most of the rapists like using women. A lot. And remember I qualified my "sexist and misogynistic" with the word "vaguely". Clearly both the time depicted and time/place in which it was made aren't feminist, but just as Gone with the Wind no longer gets a free-pass for it's racism and historical whitewashing, I just couldn't pass up pointing out something that made me uncomfortable.
Sure. I didn't mean to disparage you; sorry if it came across that way. Haven't seen GWTW yet so can't comment there. I don't understand your point about the girly-girl, though. Are you suggesting he should have used his daughter as bait for the rapists so he could exact his revenge?
Naw, didn't feel disparaged or anything like that. Just wanted to add discussion points.
As for dad's choice, and no I'm not saying he should have
only he could have
and it could be argued that a different set of choices might have yielded other results. Dad could have
concocted a honey trap instead of doing what he did. To me, the fact that dad made choices, and especially the choice he did make, leads me to feel he chose to make his child an instrument of his grand scheme and making a different choice wouldn't have made the choice to use his child as a tool any less meaningful. Dad was clearly doing what he did with a selfish motivation, albeit in addition to the more altruistic motive you point out. I would view the situation differently if the kid had said, "Dad, help me ..." be it enact revenge or protect oneself against violence, but there is no hint of this and the child seemingly acquiesces to the father's plan up to a certain point, which, btw, didn't really sell me as a convincing character arc moment. But maybe I'm too cynical and also know that real bad people can also have moments of tenderness: I've read Hitler was kind to dogs even as the masses were herded into concentration camps.
And how is it you've not yet seen GWtW yet? Philosophical? Too long? Most people I know who say they haven't watched it do so because of repugnance for the subject. I just take it for granted that most kinophiles will have seen it by this stage of watching movies. But it's often lambasted for romanticizing the deplorable institutions of slavery, class-ism, and war while perpetuating the idea that the South was somehow a virtuous place torn apart by those nasty Yankees for no good reason. As Scarlet (and Divine) say, "Tomorrow is another day."