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The Beatles - Abbey Road

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5/10


What to say about this. I've listened it once and never returned to it. I've listened it again. To be fair, it's like I can't remember a single song. It's so forgettable, cheesy and utterly dated. Perhaps they were a great influence for music later on, but they do not interest me. I never get the feeling I should care about them. Some songs are better than others. I see potential in I want you which is probably the most experimental/psychedelic song out of the album, but I don't think i'll remember a single song out of this album after today.

I gave it 7/10 last time. I downgrade it to 5/10 which makes it tied for worst album i've ever listened together with a The Black Eyed Peace album. Although to be fair, i'll re-listen a lot of albums and changed my rating system this year.

Some people say that i need to look at this at a time perspective. If this was released today, it wouldn't get a 5, more like a 2 and to be fair no-one would listen it, no music label would even dare to publish it. But they certainly have a valid point in that you have to consider time in it, and while that's hard to do. You can't completely indulge into a decade and somehow forget all your later influences, The Doors already proved that you could make AMAZING music during that age. So I believe I would've preferred other bands (the doors, black sabbath, jimi hendrickx, perhaps janis joplin). I also think theoretically The Rolling Stones should suit me better but perhaps their albums are even worse. Either way, not a fan, never will be a fan.
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Lakigigar wrote: January 9th, 2021, 6:08 pm If this was released today, it wouldn't get a 5, more like a 2 and to be fair no-one would listen it, no music label would even dare to publish it.
I wasn't alive when The Beatles made their albums and I still can't get enough of them, not because they are 'known' but simply because the music is amazing for a lack of better words.
If they were a 2020 band I'd even rate them higher for making this kind of music in this day and age ... That no label would dare to publish it today is debatable, that nobody would listen to it is simply not true.
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Coryn wrote: January 9th, 2021, 6:12 pm
Lakigigar wrote: January 9th, 2021, 6:08 pm If this was released today, it wouldn't get a 5, more like a 2 and to be fair no-one would listen it, no music label would even dare to publish it.
I wasn't alive when The Beatles made their albums and I still can't get enough of them, not because they are 'known' but simply because the music is amazing for a lack of better words.
If they were a 2020 band I'd even rate them higher for making this kind of music in this day and age ... That no label would dare to publish it today is debatable, that nobody would listen to it is simply not true.
Well I disagree, but one question? Why does nobody do that?
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To get you informed about my plans, i want to start with some 60's albums and move on slowly to later years so this will be some kind of music journey while I decide my own pace, so i'll start creating a list with 60's albums i want to listen. Feel free to add suggestions, esp. if you know something i might like and that I did overlook.

Feel free to disagree (i suspect some will mostly disagree esp. in earlier era's.) and discuss and give your own insights. The start might contain little to no recommendations as i'm not really knowledgeable about earlier era's and I also want to notify that I'll skip jazz for the earlier era's because I don't want to explore the 1950's and earlier, but we will see. Later era's will contain a lot more genres naturally.
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the list of the 60's
might not explore them all or add more to it, but it's a blueprint

The Doors - The Doors
The Doors - Strange Days
The Doors - Waiting for the Sun
The Doors - The Soft Parade
Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band - Safe as Milk
Pink Floyd - The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
Pink Floyd - A Saucerful of Secrets
Pink Floyd - Ummagumma
King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
The Velvet Underground & Nico - The Velvet Underground & Nico
The Velvet Underground - White Light / White Heat
The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground
Neil Young with Crazy Horse - Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere
The Beatles - Revolver
The Beatles - Rubber Soul
The Beatles - The Beatles [White Album]
The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
The Zombies - Odessey and Oracle
The Kinks - Face to Face
The Kinks - Something Else by The Kinks
The Kinks - The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society
The Kinks - Arthur or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire
Townes Van Zandt - Townes Van Zandt
Love - Forever Changes
Nick Drake - Five Leaves Left
Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
Bob Dylan - Blonde on Blonde
Bob Dylan - The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan
Bob Dylan - The Times They Are A-Changin'
Bob Dylan - Another Side of Bob Dylan
Bob Dylan - Bringing It All Back Home
Bob Dylan - John Wesley Harding
Bob Dylan - Nashville Skyline
The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Are You Experienced
The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Axis: Bold as Love
The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Electric Ladyland
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin II
Frank Zappa - Hot Rats
The Mothers of Invention - Absolutely Free
The Mothers of Invention - We're Only in It for the Money
The Mothers of Invention - Freak Out!
The Mothers of Invention - Uncle Meat
Sly and The Family Stone - Stand!
The Band - The Band
Creedence Clearwater Revival - Creedence Clearwater Revival
Creedence Clearwater Revival - Bayou Country
Creedence Clearwater Revival - Green River
Creedence Clearwater Revival - Willy and the Poor Boys
The Stooges - The Stooges
Simon & Garfunkel - Sounds of Silence
Simon & Garfunkel - Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme
Simon & Garfunkel - Bookends
The Pretty Things - S.F. Sorrow
The Byrds - Fifth Dimension
The Byrds - Younger Than Yesterday
The Byrds - The Notorious Byrd Brothers
The Byrds - Sweetheart of the Rodeo
Santana - Santana
Jefferson Airplane - Surrealistic Pillow
Cream - Disraeli Gears
The United States of America - The United States of America
Big Brother & The Holding Company - Cheap Thrills
Os Mutantes - Os Mutantes
The Who - The Who Sell Out
The Who - Tommy
The Rolling Stones - Beggars Banquet
The Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed
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The Doors - The Doors

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9/10

This is also an album i've listened before and even multiple times. It's a great album with many good songs, especially the first, Light My Fire and of course the magjificent song: The End. I really like it. It keeps me interested and it's as of now the oldest music and album I really like with as well my favourite 60's song. It's remarkable that this is already so old, but at times you can notice it's age. I gave it a 10/10, but i'll downgrade it to a nine but it's still great though.
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Listened to these albums so far, no reviews because I listened most only once.

9/10
The Doors - The Doors (1967) bordering a 10/10
The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967) bordering a 10/10
The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Are You Experienced (1967) will relisten
The Doors - Strange Days (1967) - perhaps it should get an 8, will relisten

8/10
The Rolling Stones - Aftermath [US] (1966)
Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band - Safe as Milk - perhaps it should get a 7
13th Floor Elevators - The Psychedelic Sounds of the 13th Floor Elevators (1966) - perhaps it should get a 7

7/10
The Doors - Waiting for the Sun (1968)
The Doors - The Soft Parade (1969) - perhaps it should get a 6

6/10
King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King (1969)
Os Mutantes - Os Mutantes (1968)
The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (1967) - perhaps it should be lower

5/10 - perhaps all of these should be even lower, sorry
The Beatles - Rubber Soul (1965)
The Beatles - Abbey Road (1969)
The Beatles - Revolver (1966)
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You should definitely add some solo Nico records to your plans
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i'll stop exploring the 60's, i've continued to listen more albums but i want to listen them multiple times before i make a review.

I'll post all my votes tomorrow. Perhaps some people can recommend me some stuff.
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Lakigigar wrote: January 9th, 2021, 6:30 pm
Coryn wrote: January 9th, 2021, 6:12 pm
Lakigigar wrote: January 9th, 2021, 6:08 pm If this was released today, it wouldn't get a 5, more like a 2 and to be fair no-one would listen it, no music label would even dare to publish it.
I wasn't alive when The Beatles made their albums and I still can't get enough of them, not because they are 'known' but simply because the music is amazing for a lack of better words.
If they were a 2020 band I'd even rate them higher for making this kind of music in this day and age ... That no label would dare to publish it today is debatable, that nobody would listen to it is simply not true.
Well I disagree, but one question? Why does nobody do that?
Bc music is about following the trends of the era in which you exist, for the most part. Certain genres are more prone to revivals (77 punk, garage rock, to name a couple) but the fact that current musicians try more to sound like each other than a 50 year old act doesn't say much.

Anyway whether you like the Beatles or not, the music they made was very catchy and radio-friendly, so of course a label would pick them up if they came around in 2021, and they would likely be quite popular.
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10/10
yeule Coma 2017
Crystal Castles Crystal Castles 2010
The Cure Disintegration 1989
Yukari Echo 2012
Cocteau Twins Garlands 1982
Grimes Halfaxa 2010
Cocteau Twins Heaven or Las Vegas 1990
My Bloody Valentine Loveless 1991
Empress Of Me 2015
Grimes Miss Anthropocene 2020
Yuragi Nightlife E.P. 2017
Radiohead OK Computer 1997
Panda Bear Person Pitch 2007
yeule Serotonin II 2019
Slowdive Souvlaki 1993
Empress Of Systems 2013
The Velvet Underground The Velvet Underground & Nico 1967
Cocteau Twins Treasure 1984
Grimes Visions 2012

9/10
The War on Drugs A Deeper Understanding 2017
Pink Floyd A Saucerful of Secrets 1968
Radiohead Amnesiac 2001
Panda Dub Antilogy 2011
The Jimi Hendrix Experience Are You Experienced 1967
Grimes Art Angels 2015
Panda Dub Black Bamboo 2010
Beach House Bloom 2012
Melody's Echo Chamber Bon Voyage 2018
Agar Agar Cardan 2016
Ringo Deathstarr Colour Trip 2011
Tame Impala Currents 2015
Beach House Depression Cherry 2015
Deftones Diamond Eyes 2010
My Bloody Valentine EP's 1988-1991 2012
My Bloody Valentine Feed Me with Your Kiss 1988
Julee Cruise Floating into the Night 1989
Wild Nothing Gemini 2010
My Bloody Valentine Glider 1990
Deerhunter Halcyon Digest 2010
Cocteau Twins Head over Heels 1983
Kelly Lee Owens Inner Song 2020
Tame Impala InnerSpeaker 2010
My Bloody Valentine Isn't Anything 1988
Slowdive Just for a Day 1991
Kelly Lee Owens Kelly Lee Owens 2017
Radiohead Kid A 2000
Chromatics Kill for Love 2012
The Doors L.A. Woman 1971
FKA twigs LP1 2014
FKA twigs Magdalene 2019
Melody's Echo Chamber Melody's Echo Chamber 2012
Animal Collective Merriweather Post Pavilion 2009
La Femme Mystère 2016
Braids Native Speaker 2011
Nirvana Nevermind 1991
Ride Nowhere 1990
yeule Pathos 2016
La Femme Psycho Tropical Berlin 2013
Panda Dub Psychotic Symphony 2013
Purity Ring Shrines 2012
IC3PEAK Sladkaya Zhizn' 2017
Aseul Slow Dance 2020
Mazzy Star So Tonight That I Might See 1993
The Doors Strange Days 1967
Beach House Teen Dream 2010
Pearl Jam Ten 1991
Radiohead The Bends 1995
Pale Saints The Comforts of Madness 1990
The Doors The Doors 1967
Panda Dub The Lost Ship 2015
Pink Floyd The Piper at the Gates of Dawn 1967
The Smiths The Queen Is Dead 1986
The Velvet Underground The Velvet Underground 1969
My Bloody Valentine Tremolo E.P. 1991
Interpol Turn on the Bright Lights 2002
Björk Vespertine 2001
Arctic Monkeys Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not 2006
The Velvet Underground White Light / White Heat 1968
yeule yeule 2014
My Bloody Valentine You Made Me Realise 1988

8/10
Sigur Rós ( ) 2002
Beach House 7 2018
Ichiko Aoba Adan no Kaze 2020
Caribou Andorra 2007
Purity Ring Another Eternity 2015
Chelsea Wolfe Apokalypsis 2011
Deftones Around the Fur 1997
A Sunny Day in Glasgow Ashes Grammar 2009
Aseul Asobi 2018
Amy Winehouse Back to Black 2006
Panda Dub Bamboo Roots 2007
Lovesliescrushing Bloweyelashwish 1995
Cocteau Twins Blue Bell Knoll 1988
Lana Del Rey Born to Die 2012
The National Boxer 2007
The Radio Dept. Clinging to a Scheme 2010
Joy Division Closer 1980
Pale Cocoon Cocoon 1984
Still Corners Creatures of an Hour 2011
d'Eon \ Grimes Darkbloom 2011
Braids Deep in the Iris 2015
Beach House Devotion 2008
Alice in Chains Dirt 1992
Daft Punk Discovery 2001
Green Day Dookie 1994
Pixies Doolittle 1989
Sewerslvt Draining Love Story 2020
Oscar and the Wolf Entity 2014
Yaeji EP2 2017
Pinkshinyultrablast Everything Else Matters 2015
Snow Patrol Eyes Open 2006
The Cure Faith 1981
Arctic Monkeys Favourite Worst Nightmare 2007
Animal Collective Feels 2005
Braids Flourish // Perish 2013
Kikagaku Moyo Forest of Lost Children 2014
Grimes Geidi Primes 2010
Deftones Gore 2016
The National High Violet 2010
Björk Homogenic 1997
Kikagaku Moyo House in the Tall Grass 2016
Let's Eat Grandma I'm All Ears 2018
London Grammar If You Wait 2013
Nas Illmatic 1994
Pendulum Immersion 2010
Braids In Kind // Amends 2013
The Strokes Is This It 2001
Siouxsie & The Banshees Juju 1981
Hatchie Keepsake 2019
Laurel Halo King Felix 2010
Deftones Koi No Yokan 2012
Washed Out Life of Leisure 2009
Tame Impala Lonerism 2012
The War on Drugs Lost in the Dream 2014
Lorde Melodrama 2017
Nicole Dollanganger Natural Born Losers 2015
Kate Bush Never for Ever 1980
Simple Minds New Gold Dream (81-82-83-84) 1982
Aseul New Pop 2016
Chromatics Night Drive 2007
Wild Nothing Nocturne 2012
Echo & The Bunnymen Ocean Rain 1984
Smerz Okey 2016
Peggy Gou Once 2018
MGMT Oracular Spectacular 2007
Huxley Out of the Box EP 2012
Black Sabbath Paranoid 1970
The Cure Pornography 1982
The Jesus and Mary Chain Psychocandy 1985
Ringo Deathstarr Pure Mood 2015
Deadmau5 Random Album Title 2008
Rina Sawayama Sawayama 2020
A Sunny Day in Glasgow Sea When Absent 2014
Disclosure Settle 2013
The Cure Seventeen Seconds 1980
Panda Dub Shapes and Shadows 2017
Spacemen 3 Sound of Confusion 1986
Lush Split 1994
Animal Collective Strawberry Jam 2007
Goblin Suspiria 1977
Caribou Swim 2010
Beach House Thank Your Lucky Stars 2015
Sufjan Stevens The Age of Adz 2010
Editors The Back Room 2005
David Bowie The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars 1972
Cocteau Twins Tiny Dynamine 1985
Lana Del Rey Ultraviolence 2014
Joy Division Unknown Pleasures 1979
Burial Untrue 2007
Cocteau Twins Victorialand 1986
Depeche Mode Violator 1990

7/10
Pastel Ghost Abyss 2015
U2 Achtung Baby 1991
The Rolling Stones Aftermath [US] 1966
Cocteau Twins Aikea-Guinea 1985
alt-J (∆) An Awesome Wave 2012
Editors An End Has a Start 2007
Alvvays Antisocialites 2017
White Ring Black Earth That Made Me 2010
Panda Dub Born 2 Dub 2007
Björk Debut 1993
Delay Trees Delay Trees 2010
Gorillaz Demon Days 2005
Neil Young with Crazy Horse Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere 1969
Flume Flume 2012
Love Spirals Downwards Flux 1998
Arcade Fire Funeral 2004
Radiohead Hail to the Thief 2003
Julia Holter Have You in My Wilderness 2015
Kate Bush Hounds of Love 1985
M83 Hurry Up, We're Dreaming 2011
Whispering Sons Image 2018
Majical Cloudz Impersonator 2013
Eddie Vedder Into the Wild 2007
Kali Uchis Isolation 2018
Disasterpeace It Follows 2015
Lily Allen It's Not Me, It's You 2009
Fishmans Long Season 1996
Cocteau Twins Lullabies 1982
Deerhunter Microcastle / Weird Era Continued 2008
Nicole Dollanganger Ode to Dawn Wiener 2013
The Shins Oh, Inverted World 2001
Spangle Call Lilli Line Or 2003
J Majik & Wickaman Out of Sight 2013
Cocteau Twins Peppermint Pig 1983
The Beach Boys Pet Sounds 1966
Björk Post 1995
Chairlift Something 2012
Cocteau Twins Sunburst and Snowblind 1983
Pink Floyd The Dark Side of the Moon 1973
Kate Bush The Dreaming 1982
Warpaint The Fool 2010
Holden The Inheritors 2013
Kate Bush The Kick Inside 1978
Radiohead The King of Limbs 2011
13th Floor Elevators The Psychedelic Sounds of the 13th Floor Elevators 1966
The Doors The Soft Parade 1969
Cocteau Twins The Spangle Maker 1984
The Stone Roses The Stone Roses 1989
Sub Focus Torus 2013
Vampire Weekend Vampire Weekend 2008
The Doors Waiting for the Sun 1968
Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here 1975
The xx xx 2009
IC3PEAK Сказка 2018

6/10
Sigur Rós Ágætis Byrjun 1999
Sufjan Stevens Carrie & Lowell 2015
Candy Claws Ceres & Calypso in the Deep Time 2013
MGMT Congratulations 2010
Dead Can Dance Dead Can Dance 1984
Portishead Dummy 1994
Evanescence Fallen 2003
Radiohead In Rainbows 2007
Arca KiCk i 2020
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds Push the Sky Away 2013
Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band Safe as Milk 1967
Bel Canto Shimmering, Warm & Bright 1992
Mumford & Sons Sigh No More 2009
Sub Focus Sub Focus 2009
Black Swan Lane The Last Time in Your Light 2013
Hooverphonic The President of the LSD Golf Club 2007
Empress Of Us 2018
Autumn's Grey Solace Within the Depths of a Darkened Forest 2002

5/10
Fax Gang Aethernet 2021
David Bowie Hunky Dory 1971
King Crimson In the Court of the Crimson King 1969
Rihanna Loud 2010
Kanye West My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy 2010
The Cranberries No Need to Argue 1994
Os Mutantes Os Mutantes 1968
The Beatles Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 1967
Jefferson Airplane Surrealistic Pillow 1967
Nine Inch Nails The Downward Spiral 1994

4/10
The Beatles Abbey Road 1969
The Beatles Revolver 1966
The Beatles Rubber Soul 1965
The Black Eyed Peas The E.N.D. 2009

recs based on this are always welcome!
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I need to listen to some albums again (like Candy Claws, Black Swan Lane and bel canto), but aside of that usually i enjoy the albums when they're 7 or higher. Below that; less. 8 or more means they're pretty good.
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sebby wrote: January 19th, 2021, 5:41 am
Lakigigar wrote: January 9th, 2021, 6:30 pm
Coryn wrote: January 9th, 2021, 6:12 pm

I wasn't alive when The Beatles made their albums and I still can't get enough of them, not because they are 'known' but simply because the music is amazing for a lack of better words.
If they were a 2020 band I'd even rate them higher for making this kind of music in this day and age ... That no label would dare to publish it today is debatable, that nobody would listen to it is simply not true.
Well I disagree, but one question? Why does nobody do that?
Bc music is about following the trends of the era in which you exist, for the most part. Certain genres are more prone to revivals (77 punk, garage rock, to name a couple) but the fact that current musicians try more to sound like each other than a 50 year old act doesn't say much.

Anyway whether you like the Beatles or not, the music they made was very catchy and radio-friendly, so of course a label would pick them up if they came around in 2021, and they would likely be quite popular.
Not a chance.

and the fact there are no similar bands active proves my point.

Catchy? Not a single song i've come across is catchy (Imagine from John Lennon is an exception). Radio-friendly? I hear them almost never, while you hear Toto - Africa almost everyday.
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And if the radio should determine what is good or not, perhaps i wouldn't listen to music anymore. I hear local radio (mix of all but mostly classic hits), radio 2 (classic), sometimes MNM/Q-music (poppy and more recent) and sometimes nostalgie (classic) and radio1 (more informative). My favourite one is Studio Brussel (rock, but more 90's and 00's) but i barely listen to them. The music i like never gets played on radio. It was quite a surprise when I heard Tame Impala - Borderline or Empress Of ft. Kito - Wild Girl (tho a weaker song of her) on the radio. I've never heard Grimes on it or shoegaze or Cocteau Twins and if they play a song of The Cure, it's always A Forest.

None of the songs in those four albums sounded even vaguely similar to something i've heard them before, meaning they don't play them on the radio or i would have heard it before or that they're absolutely not catchy. In that Jefferson Airplane, i heard one song i knew for example. (The rest was very forgettable tho) But it might show a 60's problem on the radio.

Dua Lipa is someone you hear everyday but new sensation Rina Sawayama, never been played here on the radio.

But Be/Nl in general are pretty trash when it comes to music taste, and that applies to everyone here. Younger people are into EDM, older people are stuck in the 70's and all the others listen to even bigger trash. There are exceptions, but they're rare and I have to meet them, and somehow foreigners from other western countries have a better taste, because they aren't intoxicated like we are. And it applies to movie taste as well.

edit: maybe i was harsh here, but listen / watch to whatever you want, as long you (try to) broaden your perspective / taste. People shouldn't claim one decade is better than the other, every decade is very good, and perhaps the latter ones have more differentiation and a wider catalogue (genrefication) while pop culture used to be better long ago. Same for movies. In my experience, you have better movies / music now (perhaps thanks to the ones decades ago), but mainstream culture was better decades ago imo. But don't claim in general that it was better decades ago, because it's not. Even if only for movies / music being more accessible today and still being able to listen / watch what was made years ago.
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It's generalized

but post-punk / goth / emo / punk / new wave / neo-psychedelia (aside of Tame Impala) / shoegaze / dream pop / synthpop is very alien towards most people here.

There is a site called here musicmeter.nl (the music equivalent of moviemeter). In their top 1000 organized by the most active members, they don't even have Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas. Really offending if you know that that is a list composed by supposedly music experts of the Benelux. In their regular top 250, they don't even have Slowdive - Souvlaki in their toplist. It's very frustrating to get so little recognition. ... I often go in the clinch like Onderhond does on Moviemeter lol.

I don't know what it is, but new wave / synthpop / dream pop & shoegaze is very overlooked in the Benelux, both among general public and music experts.

RYM in that regard is better for finding recs, even though the community is more toxic than here or on both meter sites.
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With regards to Cocteau Twins, this is very strange.

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I've rarely seen such a huge discrepancy... Even when talking about IMDb / MM differences.

Garlands is the second best rated album (after Head over Heels) and second most rated one (after Treasure). On RYM it's Heaven Or Las Vegas who tops both. Garlands is the sixth most rated one and considered the second worst album. Head Over Heels, best rated on MM is only the fourth best rated one on RYM.

There are bigger differences like a lot of 2000's (pop) rock bands are rated much worse on RYM than on MM like Coldplay, Muse, Linkin Pak, Queens of the Stone Age, while the better pop albums are rated much better on RYM (like Rina Sawayama or even something like Ichiko Aoba). The result is often completely different top lists (I dislike both of their toplists, but I'd like it more if they were mixed). RYM is often very harsh on hypes, what's listened often and continue, while the general visitors of MM don't have a taste that is very wide, and often steered towards rock.

I often check the ratings of both sites with regards what they like, before I decide if it's worth a try, because the biases of both sites are way too strong. I notice a lot of herd mentality with a base that's culturally different and it leads to very stark differences.
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I don't know if your list is exhaustive of what you've heard, but here's some recommends that aren't on it & might suit based on taste:

Slint - Spiderland
Big Thief - UFOF (or any other their others)
Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
Yo La Tengo - I Can Hear the Heart Beating as One
Stereolab - Mars Audiac Quintet
Galaxie 500 - On Fire
Luna - Penthouse
Mercury Rev - Yerself is Steam
Massive Attack - Mezzanine (Elizabeth Fraser from Cocteau Twins does vocals on some tracks)
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brokenface wrote: January 19th, 2021, 5:12 pm I don't know if your list is exhaustive of what you've heard, but here's some recommends that aren't on it & might suit based on taste:

Slint - Spiderland
Big Thief - UFOF (or any other their others)
Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
Yo La Tengo - I Can Hear the Heart Beating as One
Stereolab - Mars Audiac Quintet
Galaxie 500 - On Fire
Luna - Penthouse
Mercury Rev - Yerself is Steam
Massive Attack - Mezzanine (Elizabeth Fraser from Cocteau Twins does vocals on some tracks)
thanks, none of them have I listened to and I haven't heard of most of them (only Galaxie 500 and Yo La Tengo)
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Lakigigar wrote: January 19th, 2021, 3:29 pm
sebby wrote: January 19th, 2021, 5:41 am
Lakigigar wrote: January 9th, 2021, 6:30 pm

Well I disagree, but one question? Why does nobody do that?
Bc music is about following the trends of the era in which you exist, for the most part. Certain genres are more prone to revivals (77 punk, garage rock, to name a couple) but the fact that current musicians try more to sound like each other than a 50 year old act doesn't say much.

Anyway whether you like the Beatles or not, the music they made was very catchy and radio-friendly, so of course a label would pick them up if they came around in 2021, and they would likely be quite popular.
Not a chance.

and the fact there are no similar bands active proves my point.

Catchy? Not a single song i've come across is catchy (Imagine from John Lennon is an exception). Radio-friendly? I hear them almost never, while you hear Toto - Africa almost everyday.
Your subjective opinion isn't a fact. There is a near 100% chance the Beatles would have a successful career in 2020. Even when I hated the Beatles as a punk-loving youth I could see very clearly why people liked them. There's a reason why a song like "Getting Better" was used in some product commercial. The chorus is incredibly catchy. Also a reason why young people of every generation continue to listen to them.

There aren't many bands that sound like the Beach Boys these days either; does that mean they suck too? It's incredibly difficult to pull of a decent imitation of songs like A Day in the Life or Surf's Up, you know? Hence why the copy+paste bands are influenced by these artists but don't really sound like them, and the bands that do have a lot of soundalikes are the ones that are much easier to ape (Ramones, Simon and Garfunkel, Joy Division, for example.)
Anyway how much roots reggae or Motown soul or country blues do you hear from contemporary acts? Is every artist affiliated with these genres trash as well?
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brokenface wrote: January 19th, 2021, 5:12 pm I don't know if your list is exhaustive of what you've heard, but here's some recommends that aren't on it & might suit based on taste:

Slint - Spiderland
Big Thief - UFOF (or any other their others)
Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
Yo La Tengo - I Can Hear the Heart Beating as One
Stereolab - Mars Audiac Quintet
Galaxie 500 - On Fire
Luna - Penthouse
Mercury Rev - Yerself is Steam
Massive Attack - Mezzanine (Elizabeth Fraser from Cocteau Twins does vocals on some tracks)
I'll work on that. I've listened to Massive Attack - Mezzanine meanwhile, and I think i'll like Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation too (listened a few hits too). I also listened to Galaxie 500 - On Fire, but it seems a bit slow-ish for my taste, so i'll work on it.

I'll rekick this topic to live, but i will just do whatever i want to do, not focus on some era, some genre, or whatever.
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What I plan to do (slowly)

- Delve into post-rock
- Further continue to delve into shoegaze, dream pop (although i've my own topic for that, but for albums that fall outside of it)
- Delve into Japanese shoegaze
- Delve into art pop, glitch pop, synth pop and ambient pop: experimental pop.
- (Continue to) delve into some electronic genres: IDM, house, techno, as well as explore some microgenres (witch house, chillwave, vaporwave)
- Delve more into neo-psychedelia
- Delve more in universally loved albums and universally loved artists
- Delve more into jazz, folk and metal and perhaps discover something i'll like.
- Relisten some albums i need to relisten and that I like or love.

Some artists i really want to explore further, but this list is not exclusive and also not in order. Just to pick something if i don't feel like i want to look things up.
Spoiler
machina
Say Sue Me
Sevdaliza
Allie X
Yuragi
SOPHIE
Kedr Liviansky
HANA
Yves Tumor
You'll Never Get To Heaven
Negative Gemini
Them are us too
DIIV
Parannoul
Park Jiha
Park Jye Hin
Yaeji - What We Drew
Peggy Gou - Moment EP
RAY - Pink
loveliescrushing
KinokoTeikoku
SASSY 009
Grouper
Julia Holter
The Knife
Jenny hval
Kitty
Austra
Yelle
Zola Jesus
Toro Y Moi
Baths
U.S. Girls
Arca
Perfume Genius
Alcest
Lorde
I Break Horses
Ela Minus
Spellling
SLayyyter
LSD and the Search for God
Lily Chou-Chou

Cults
Coals
Molchat Doma
Cuushe
Kate NV

Broadcast
Eartheater
FKA twigs
ROSALIA
Lido Pimienta
BRAIDS
Alvvays

Mazzy Star
Slowdive
My Bloody Valentine
Ride
Lush
Cranes
Lilys
Pale Saints
...

Kate Bush
Charli XCX

Sigur Ros
Frank Ocean

Animal Collective
John maus
Ariel Pink
The Avalanches
The Flaming Lips
Fishmans

Victorialand
Blue Bell Knoll
The Moon and the Melodies
This Mortal Coil
Four-calendar Cafe
Milk & Kieses
CT EP

LCD Soundsystem
Oneohtrix Point Never
Moderat
Grouper
Laurel Halo
Nicolas Jaar
Autechre
Four Tet
Aphex Twin
Ross from Friends
Leon Vynehall
Caribou
Against All Logic
Sabrina The Teenage DJ

Tool
Deftones
Charles Mingus
John Coltrane
Prince
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