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Post by AdamH » January 1st, 2018, 8:32 pm

Great start to 2018 binge-watching series four. Love it. Any fans on here?

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Post by 1SO » January 1st, 2018, 8:38 pm

I'm a fan. Episode 1 and 4 are the standouts.

Here is my ranking of the episodes.

1. Hated in the Nation
2. USS Callister
3. White Bear
4. San Junipero
5. Fifteen Million Merits
6. Hang the DJ
7. Shut Up and Dance
8. White Christmas
9. The Entire History of You
10. Be Right Back
11. Nosedive
12. The National Anthem
13. Black Museum
14. Arkangel
15. Playtest
16. Crocodile
17. Men Against Fire
18. Metalhead
19. The Waldo Moment

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Post by nimimerkillinen » January 1st, 2018, 8:57 pm

been watching the series from the get go, entertaining for sure

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Post by 72allinncallme » January 1st, 2018, 10:00 pm

I’m a fan. Only seen the first four episodes Seen all episodes, really liked ep 3&4.

All time, these two episodes stands out for me.
1.Fifteen Million Merits
2. San Junipero

Some episodes are rather boring/repetive, but all over it is high quality television imo.
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Post by AdamH » January 1st, 2018, 10:38 pm

I can't help but love episodes like San Junipinero and Hang the DJ. I think the programme is great at producing a variety of styles/themes in each series. Sci-fi, romance, horror etc.

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Post by mightysparks » January 5th, 2018, 2:46 am

I've followed the show since season 1 and love most eps. We watched season 4 recently, and it was solid but I found the ideas a bit too similar and that there were no real stakes in most of the eps. Possible spoilers below.

USS Callister was a cool idea but I never cared about the people in the simulation. I would've preferred more focus on the dude and the thing is is that they all bullied him or made him feel bad at some point and I didn't really blame him for what he did, but then no-one really did anything bad enough to him except the first guy. So I just didn't really care and I felt jipped after promises of greatness with the face and airlock thing, but it's pretty light after that. A more focused story of revenge would've been cooler I think.

Arkangel - originally I thought this was going to be about repression and how preventing children from experiencing badness will produce psycho murderers. When it didn't I found it kind of uninteresting despite some cool moments. The mother just seemed.too randomly crazy and I didn't really buy any character motivations or decisions.

Can't remember the third ep name - this was my last fave clearly though one of my housemates favourites for some reason. I felt it was two stories crammed into one and it just never felt satisfying. The ending was cool though.

Hang the DJ - Adam mentioned San Junipero from last season which I thought was amazing, just wonderful storytelling and it made me cry like 3 times. This I didn't like much. It spends most of the ep building up the idea of an interesting mysterious future world and the ending completely undoes it by making it 'all a dream'.

Apparently I stopped looking at ep names coz I forgot.this one too - the dog one was my favourite, and my boyfriend's favourite too. Loved how little information there was, but that also annoyed me. I just wanted a little more info about the world instead of it just being someone running away from a dog, but it was so beautifully simple.

Black Museum - my other housemate's favourite. It took too long to get to the point. I like the pain story but have read it before, and the main story and characters don't matter until it's too late and I'm not interested. I also feel like I'm the only person who wouldn't be interested in the main attraction (unless it was someone I really personally hated).

Also I was never really convinced that any of the digital characters are real so I felt like noone really had anything to fight for. The last episode seemed to rely heavily on having convinced the audience that conscientious exists in digital form but I don't buy it.
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Post by Ivan0716 » January 5th, 2018, 3:42 am

Overall a pretty disappointing season for me, the only standout episode was Hang the DJ, the leads are great together, the rest kind of feel like rehashed versions of previous episodes.

My ranking would be
1. San Junipero
2. Hated in the Nation
3. Fifteen Million Merits
4. White Christmas
5. The Entire History of You
6. White Bear
7. Hang the DJ
8. Shut Up and Dance
9. Be Right Back
10. USS Callister
11. Crocodile
12. Nose Dive
13. Black Museum
14. The National Anthem
15. Metalhead
16. Man Against Fire
17. Playtest
18. Arkangel
19. The Waldo Moment

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Post by AdamH » January 5th, 2018, 2:53 pm

I watched five in one day a few days ago but I haven't got round to watching the sixth episode yet.

Interesting thoughts, Lauren. I will write more later but on lunch break at work so on my phone and don't have much time.

The dog robot episode is my least favourite episode of series four so far. I'm not surprised you like it so much because I think it appeals more to horror fans in general. I feel like Black Mirror does these kinds of episodes every so often that focus on some kind of chase or robot gone wrong and people trying to escape. I prefer the more plot-heavy episodes to the 'world is over and robots chase down remaining people' type episode.

It has interesting aspects, I suppose, but I much prefer episodes with some emotional story or interesting concept. The ones about technology can be very good. I'm just not so much of a fan of survivor type episodes.

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Post by mightysparks » January 6th, 2018, 4:34 am

AdamH on Jan 5 2018, 07:53:06 AM wrote:I watched five in one day a few days ago but I haven't got round to watching the sixth episode yet.

Interesting thoughts, Lauren. I will write more later but on lunch break at work so on my phone and don't have much time.

The dog robot episode is my least favourite episode of series four so far. I'm not surprised you like it so much because I think it appeals more to horror fans in general. I feel like Black Mirror does these kinds of episodes every so often that focus on some kind of chase or robot gone wrong and people trying to escape. I prefer the more plot-heavy episodes to the 'world is over and robots chase down remaining people' type episode.

It has interesting aspects, I suppose, but I much prefer episodes with some emotional story or interesting concept. The ones about technology can be very good. I'm just not so much of a fan of survivor type episodes.
I liked it because it was very raw and totally focused on survival, I didn't think of it as horror at all, I thought it was the most human episode of them all. I did wish there was a bit more plot (as the lack of info prevented a real strong emotional connection). I prefer the ones about technology as well, but I felt this one was more about the end of technology, when technology has outlived humanity, and humans are a minor pest still trying to fight for their place on this earth,
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Particularly after the rosebud moment reveals the fight and survival was over a teddy bear. That after everything that has forced these people to live this way, they risk everything for a reminder of the warmth of humanity.
The other eps were too focused on digital consciousness and this was one of the only episodes of the season that was really about people.
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Post by Armoreska » January 7th, 2018, 4:44 pm

Metalhead was the one I liked the best this season too. The first three were meh and basic. Star Trek sim at least looked more cool.
The last episode was a clever wraparound for leftover stories that could only wind up as shorts? Well I wish episodes 2&3 were this short.
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Post by peeptoad » January 11th, 2018, 10:39 pm

I've only seen a handful so far, but USS Callister is the best of them. I liked the homage/dig on Star Trek and the ending was unsettling (imo), despite the amount of humor present in the rest of the ep. San Junipero seems to get mad props, but I haven't seen it yet. Maybe when I get home tonight...

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Post by Cynical Cinephile » February 1st, 2018, 12:19 am

I just finished season 1 and I'm digging it so far.

Episode 2 (Fifteen Million Merits) is one of my worst nightmares. Having to leave your life working entirely unfulfilling "job", nothing ever happens, people are constantly watching bad reality TV and you get constantly bombarded with ads.
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Post by AdamH » February 1st, 2018, 12:23 am

Cynical Cinephile on Jan 31 2018, 05:19:40 PM wrote:I just finished season 1 and I'm digging it so far.

Episode 2 (Fifteen Million Merits) is one of my worst nightmares. Having to leave your life working entirely unfulfilling "job", nothing ever happens, people are constantly watching bad reality TV and you get constantly bombarded with ads.
Great to have someone else watching it :thumbsup:

I was grabbed instantly by the first episode. Some way to begin a TV programme!

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Post by Cynical Cinephile » February 1st, 2018, 12:33 am

Yeah, first episode was great. Truly a new form of terrorism. I started questioning myself, what would I have done in that situation. I still don't know and probably never will (unless somehow I find myself in similar circumstances, god forbid). It was funny and unsettling at the same time.
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Post by bal3x » February 1st, 2018, 4:25 pm

Fan of the show, just finished S4, - love how most of these episodes make you contemplate about the future in a somewhat depressing way indeed.. but it is what it is, a lot of what is being shown may as well be a reality sooner than we think.. scary times.
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Post by Cynical Cinephile » February 1st, 2018, 10:45 pm

The reality is that it was never as good to be alive as it is now. As they say, the brighter the light, the darker the shadow. Everything has its downside, so does technology. I love dystopian fiction, but I certainly don't think we live in it. I do agree that these are scary times in terms of what awaits us in the future, technology-wise.
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Post by Carmel1379 » February 4th, 2018, 3:23 am

These two tracks by Clint Mansell for 'San Junipero' are absolutely amazing.



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Post by Lonewolf2003 » June 22nd, 2018, 4:58 pm

The Black Mirror episodes as ranked in our 2010s poll ;) :

"#369 (265 #634) Black Mirror: White Christmas (Carl Tibbetts, 2014)
271.02 points, 4 votes, 466 checks, in 0 official lists, (IMDb)
History: 369, 634, --, --, --, --"
"#456 (-45 #411) Black Mirror: San Junipero (Owen Harris, 2016)
211.75 points, 3 votes, 300 checks, in 0 official lists, (IMDb)
History: 456, 411, --, --, --, --"
"#492 (233 #725) Black Mirror: Fifteen Million Merits (Euros Lyn, 2011)
195.83 points, 3 votes, 416 checks, in 0 official lists, (IMDb)
History: 492, 725, --, --, --, --"
"#520 (-48 #472) Black Mirror: The Entire History of You (Brian Welsh, 2011)
183.67 points, 4 votes, 371 checks, in 0 official lists, (IMDb)
History: 520, 472, 1073, --, --, --"
"#727 (68 #795) Black Mirror: Shut Up and Dance (James Watkins, 2016)
122.95 points, 3 votes, 261 checks, in 0 official lists, (IMDb)
History: 727, 795, --, --, --, --"
"#825 (707 #1532) Black Mirror: Be Right Back (Owen Harris, 2013)
104.69 points, 2 votes, 387 checks, in 0 official lists, (IMDb)
History: 825, 1532, --, --, --, --"
"#918 (NEW) Black Mirror: Hated in the Nation (James Hawes, 2016)
93.04 points, 2 votes, 239 checks, in 0 official lists, (IMDb)
History: 918, --, --, --, --, --"
"#957 (NEW) Black Mirror: Hang the DJ (Timothy Van Patten, 2017)
88.99 points, 2 votes, 138 checks, in 0 official lists, (IMDb)
History: 957, --, --, --, --, --"
"#1108 (276 #1384) Black Mirror: Playtest (Dan Trachtenberg, 2016)
78.43 points, 2 votes, 259 checks, in 0 official lists, (IMDb)
History: 1108, 1384, --, --, --, --"
"#1163 (1185 #2348) Black Mirror: Men Against Fire (Jakob Verbruggen, 2016)
74.43 points, 2 votes, 235 checks, in 0 official lists, (IMDb)
History: 1163, 2348, --, --, --, --"
"#1165 (10 #1175) Black Mirror: White Bear (Carl Tibbetts, 2013)
74.29 points, 2 votes, 375 checks, in 0 official lists, (IMDb)
History: 1165, 1175, --, --, --, --"
"#1331 (NEW) Black Mirror: USS Callister (Toby Haynes, 2017)
62.85 points, 2 votes, 156 checks, in 0 official lists, (IMDb)
History: 1331, --, --, --, --, --"
"#1554 (106 #1660) Black Mirror: The National Anthem (Otto Bathurst, 2011)
49.62 points, 2 votes, 415 checks, in 0 official lists, (IMDb)
History: 1554, 1660, 1372, --, --, --"
"#1778 (NEW) Black Mirror: Black Museum (Colm McCarthy, 2017)
39.5 points, 1 votes, 118 checks, in 0 official lists, (IMDb)
History: 1778, --, --, --, --, --"
"#1916 (NEW) Black Mirror: Arkangel (Jodie Foster, 2017)
32.99 points, 1 votes, 147 checks, in 0 official lists, (IMDb)
History: 1916, --, --, --, --, --"
"#1994 (NEW) Black Mirror: Metalhead (David Slade, 2017)
31.21 points, 1 votes, 112 checks, in 0 official lists, (IMDb)
History: 1994, --, --, --, --, --"
"#2405 () Black Mirror: The Waldo Moment (Bryn Higgins, 2013)
20.59 points, 1 votes, 356 checks, in 0 official lists, (IMDb)
History: 2405, --, --, --, --, --"
"#2490 (8) Black Mirror: Nosedive (Joe Wright, 2016)
16.92 points, 2 votes, 292 checks, in 0 official lists, (IMDb)
History: 2490, 2498, --, --, --, --"

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Post by 72allinncallme » June 22nd, 2018, 5:04 pm

Thanks Lonewolf. I voted for the four highest ranked episodes. Glad to see Fifteen Million Merrit (my fav of the bunch) going upwards.
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Post by mightysparks » September 8th, 2018, 2:48 am

My latest procrastination from homework has been rewatching Black Mirror. I'd only seen all the episodes when they first came out and there were so many I could barely remember, so it's been like a brand new experience and still seriously good. I think I liked everything more this time around. I hated the Waldo ep before and I still don't think it's great but I 'get' it now although it still doesn't completely work because that bear is just too goddamn annoying (which I know is part of the point but like it hurts man) and it feels kind of tonally off. Anyway, this is my new ranking of the eps:

9/10
1. Be Right Back
2. White Christmas
3. Fifteen Million Merits
4. San Junipero
5. Metalhead

8/10
6. Nosedive
7. Playtest
8. USS Callister
9. The Entire History of You
10. The National Anthem
11. Shut Up and Dance
12. Black Museum
13. Hang the DJ
14. Crocodile

7/10
15. Hated in the Nation
16. Arkangel
17. Men Against Fire
18. White Bear

6/10
19. The Waldo Moment
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Post by bal3x » December 30th, 2018, 2:07 pm

Anyone check out the new episode? Do you think this is the future of television, i.e. interactive stuff? I do wonder how this affects torrenting and streaming and how all of this develops further - if this picks up I guess some of the series/films could be viewed "properly" only on legal approved platforms (ironically the new episode is not available on Apple TV and Chromecast, heh). This could be an important development.

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Post by Armoreska » December 30th, 2018, 2:27 pm

Wow all the scenes together are 5 hrs long. The default version is about 90min.
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Post by bal3x » December 30th, 2018, 2:47 pm

Armoreska wrote:
December 30th, 2018, 2:27 pm
Wow all the scenes together are 5 hrs long. The default version is about 90min.
Well, I spent probably about 2 hours, but some guys are taking it very seriously:
https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/28/181 ... ie-brooker

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Post by Carmel1379 » December 30th, 2018, 2:55 pm

It's nicely gimmicky (and I like the 80s feel (while the LSD part was my favourite)), but what the episode itself is concerned, it's trying to be too "mindfucking", meta- & self-aware for its own good, since that breaks the suspension of disbelief and deprives the viewer of elementary cinematic entertainment, which is also partly due to the choices coming to the foreground. I "watched" it with my brother and it seemed much more like a video game [like a poor version of 'The Stanley Parable'] than a film. My brother went on to look into many more permutations than we did together, and he also said it feels more like a game.

It's obvious this development is apt for a streaming platform, privileging the individual viewer over "the wider audience" -- this wouldn't really work in a cinema (even if choices were decided by the audience with buttons democratically or whatever) -- which only exists insofar as it has information about "Easter Eggs". I'll definitely look over these experiments and anything artform-changing like it with interest, but only time will tell if something like it will prove to be truly great.
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Post by bal3x » December 30th, 2018, 3:15 pm

Yeah, I was not impressed by the actual content of the episode, but I think it was technically really well done and the 80s feel was excellent, the soundtrack is very solid as well, any movie with Tangerine Dream is good in my book :) But, yeah, interesting to see if this is just a gimmick like 3D in theatres or will it develop into a more serious trend.

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Post by joachimt » December 30th, 2018, 8:09 pm

If you haven't seen every possible storyline, you shouldn't check this on iCM of course. :P
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Post by bal3x » December 30th, 2018, 9:13 pm

joachimt wrote:
December 30th, 2018, 8:09 pm
If you haven't seen every possible storyline, you shouldn't check this on iCM of course. :P
I'm not checking individual episodes anyway :P

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Post by Armoreska » December 31st, 2018, 5:49 am

bal3x wrote:
December 30th, 2018, 9:13 pm
joachimt wrote:
December 30th, 2018, 8:09 pm
If you haven't seen every possible storyline, you shouldn't check this on iCM of course. :P
I'm not checking individual episodes anyway :P
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Post by bal3x » December 31st, 2018, 1:33 pm

Armoreska wrote:
December 31st, 2018, 5:49 am
bal3x wrote:
December 30th, 2018, 9:13 pm
joachimt wrote:
December 30th, 2018, 8:09 pm
If you haven't seen every possible storyline, you shouldn't check this on iCM of course. :P
I'm not checking individual episodes anyway :P
But it counts as a movie right now?
Oh, didn't realise that, indeed it does, but it's not even on iCM yet :)

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Post by 72allinncallme » December 31st, 2018, 1:37 pm

So. I have watched it. On my iPhone, because that’s how Netflix want me to watch it apparently ( :finger: )

I tried to play it like a movie and do choices that fitted the character and story arc. But, meh. The ending I got was... meh.
Cool idea though. I might play again soon if I can do so on my Apple-TV.

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Post by mightysparks » December 31st, 2018, 2:56 pm

Watched with my boyfriend andbhousemaye tojigthZ we basically got every ending but had to repeat a bit. The Netflix stuff was funny and I thought it worked pretty well but wasn’t as satisfying as other stuff like that but fornfirst of its kind pretty fun. Can’t really see or type properly so soz bout typos but hard to fix and stuffs. Also loved the young ones book in there
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Post by joachimt » December 31st, 2018, 4:14 pm

bal3x wrote:
December 31st, 2018, 1:33 pm
Armoreska wrote:
December 31st, 2018, 5:49 am
bal3x wrote:
December 30th, 2018, 9:13 pm


I'm not checking individual episodes anyway :P
But it counts as a movie right now?
Oh, didn't realise that, indeed it does, but it's not even on iCM yet :)
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Post by joachimt » December 31st, 2018, 4:15 pm

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So. I have watched it. On my iPhone, because that’s how Netflix want me to watch it apparently ( :finger: )
Why is that? You decide on which screen you watch, right?
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Post by 72allinncallme » December 31st, 2018, 4:22 pm

joachimt wrote:
December 31st, 2018, 4:15 pm
72allinncallme wrote:
December 31st, 2018, 1:37 pm
So. I have watched it. On my iPhone, because that’s how Netflix want me to watch it apparently ( :finger: )
Why is that? You decide on which screen you watch, right?
The episode does not work with Apple-TV, AirPlay nor does it work on the app on my Samsung Smart-TV. So that was the only option available for me (and many others I reckon).

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Post by joachimt » December 31st, 2018, 5:01 pm

72allinncallme wrote:
December 31st, 2018, 4:22 pm
joachimt wrote:
December 31st, 2018, 4:15 pm
72allinncallme wrote:
December 31st, 2018, 1:37 pm
So. I have watched it. On my iPhone, because that’s how Netflix want me to watch it apparently ( :finger: )
Why is that? You decide on which screen you watch, right?
The episode does not work with Apple-TV, AirPlay nor does it work on the app on my Samsung Smart-TV. So that was the only option available for me (and many others I reckon).
That's weird. I plan to watch it by casting from iPad to Chromecast. Wouldn't that work either? That's just stupid.
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Post by 72allinncallme » December 31st, 2018, 5:10 pm

joachimt wrote:
December 31st, 2018, 5:01 pm
72allinncallme wrote:
December 31st, 2018, 4:22 pm
joachimt wrote:
December 31st, 2018, 4:15 pm

Why is that? You decide on which screen you watch, right?
The episode does not work with Apple-TV, AirPlay nor does it work on the app on my Samsung Smart-TV. So that was the only option available for me (and many others I reckon).
That's weird. I plan to watch it by casting from iPad to Chromecast. Wouldn't that work either? That's just stupid.
Nope. Only mobile/tablet, app on Xbox and Ps3, app on newer Smart-TV’s and on PC afaik.

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Post by joachimt » December 31st, 2018, 7:55 pm

72allinncallme wrote:
December 31st, 2018, 5:10 pm
joachimt wrote:
December 31st, 2018, 5:01 pm
72allinncallme wrote:
December 31st, 2018, 4:22 pm

The episode does not work with Apple-TV, AirPlay nor does it work on the app on my Samsung Smart-TV. So that was the only option available for me (and many others I reckon).
That's weird. I plan to watch it by casting from iPad to Chromecast. Wouldn't that work either? That's just stupid.
Nope. Only mobile/tablet, app on Xbox and Ps3, app on newer Smart-TV’s and on PC afaik.
iPad it is then. <_<
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Post by mightysparks » January 1st, 2019, 3:14 am

Wanted to add about Bandersnatch; I don’t really think it’s fair to call it a film. There’s not much difference between Bandersnatch and games like Her Story or The Walking Dead, except they call it a film and release it on Netflix. As a film it’s not that great, but as a game or experience it’s pretty fun.
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Post by joachimt » January 1st, 2019, 9:06 am

mightysparks wrote:
January 1st, 2019, 3:14 am
Wanted to add about Bandersnatch; I don’t really think it’s fair to call it a film. There’s not much difference between Bandersnatch and games like Her Story or The Walking Dead, except they call it a film and release it on Netflix. As a film it’s not that great, but as a game or experience it’s pretty fun.
I never play videogames. Are there really games like this, where you just sit and watch and just hit one button now and then? Sounds like a pretty boring game. Sounds more like a movie to me. :P
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Post by mightysparks » January 1st, 2019, 9:16 am

joachimt wrote:
January 1st, 2019, 9:06 am
mightysparks wrote:
January 1st, 2019, 3:14 am
Wanted to add about Bandersnatch; I don’t really think it’s fair to call it a film. There’s not much difference between Bandersnatch and games like Her Story or The Walking Dead, except they call it a film and release it on Netflix. As a film it’s not that great, but as a game or experience it’s pretty fun.
I never play videogames. Are there really games like this, where you just sit and watch and just hit one button now and then? Sounds like a pretty boring game. Sounds more like a movie to me. :P
It's not just about hitting a button sometimes but the way the story is told and experienced. With Her Story, you just watch video clips of police interviews and then use what you've learnt to search for information and unlock other videos. It's actually labelled as an interactive movie like Bandersnatch (which is definitely more cinematic), but also a video game. Stuff like The Walking Dead and The Wolf Among Us etc, you do walk around a bit and interact with the environment which does make it more of a video game than those two but it's mostly cutscenes and decisions (and I feel like the walking around bits are only there so people feel like it's a video game rather than an interactive movie). Most of the choices don't really matter (for all of these) but I wouldn't call them films.
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