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Ettinauer226XL on Feb 21 2016, 03:22:41 PM wrote:I played it on PS2. But then again I was a teen then so I might feel different about the game now. However what I did play more recently was Wind Waker and I had the same escortist complaints so my opinion probably isn't gonna change.
Those missions are challenging, but I find them rewarding too. Although in some games they really do suck, because they're poorly implemented. Just not in the ones you mentioned.
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Maybe I'll try it again in the summer when I have the time, probably on the wii.

I remember last summer since I had so much time to waste with the layoff period. I had plans to go through so much of my gaming backlog. But then Hyrule Warriors came in and that was my life for a few weeks. I played like 200 hours of it and I'm still not even close to done. I did buy the DLC package too which didn't help.
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Ettinauer226XL on Feb 21 2016, 03:29:37 PM wrote:Maybe I'll try it again in the summer when I have the time, probably on the wii.

I remember last summer since I had so much time to waste with the layoff period. I had plans to go through so much of my gaming backlog. But then Hyrule Warriors came in and that was my life for a few weeks. I played like 200 hours of it and I'm still not even close to done. I did buy the DLC package too which didn't help.
I got kind of tired of Hyrule Warriors, found it repetitive after a while. I'm going to replay Resident Evil on the Wii too. I only played it on GameCube.
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That's why I gave Hyrule Warriors tons of kudos points. I hate grinding, but that game did the impossible and made it fun. I never felt like it was repetitive.
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Ettinauer226XL on Feb 21 2016, 03:40:53 PM wrote:That's why I gave Hyrule Warriors tons of kudos points. I hate grinding, but that game did the impossible and made it fun. I never felt like it was repetitive.
I liked it, I just had better stuff to play.
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Only complaint was Cia. The cleavage was so fucking unnecessary, even more than in the Pheonix Wright games. Not only that, but it felt so out of place too. Like seriously, just look at it! WTF
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my theory is that she had her outfit all done, cleavage covered up, and then she's like, goddammit what about my stupid bird mask?! there's no more fabric!?! anywhere!?!?! so she cut out the cleavage bits and made that stupid fuggin mask. the shape of the cleavage cutout is almost exactly the same as what would be needed to make that stupid thing. fabric logic.
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My silly theory was that the game developers were trying to give a message that's like "See the characters like Zelda? They are not promiscuous, and they are good people! Cia on the other hand? Evil! And evil people are promiscuous! Don't be like Cia. Don't be evil."
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My theory is that they were trying to sell games to teenage virgins.
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Kasparius on Feb 21 2016, 05:22:18 PM wrote:My theory is that they were trying to sell games to teenage virgins.
Most solid theory of the day
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harumph.
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Well yea that's obviously the real theory but that one's no fun
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Ettinauer226XL on Feb 21 2016, 03:10:28 PM wrote:In a sick way, it was very relaxing to just make tons and tons of armies in Rome: Total War with cheats and just destroy everyone.
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Actually, I think it's a popular one, there are even a number of hardcore genocide map-coloring simulators by Paradox that from what I hear make Total War/Civ series pale in comparison. I've recently stumbled upon one great HoI3 AAR (after action report) about France crushing Germany in WWII and slowly turning ultra-right in the aftermath, recommended reading for all blobbing fetishists:

1. Blood in the Snow -- the French War in Northern Italy, 1941-1942
2. The Last Stand of the 3rd Republic -- the Defense of France, 1942-1943
3. The Bleeding of the Eagle -- the French Victory in Europe, March to September 1943
4. Black Tide Rising -- The French Pursuit of Security, at ANY Cost, Sept. 1943 to Oct. 1946
5. The Descent into Madness -- the road to World War III, 1946-1947
6. Mushroom Clouds Over Moscow -- The French/Soviet Third World War, 1947-1948
7. The Breaker of Nations -- The Final Triumph of France, 1948-1949
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Ettinauer226XL on Feb 21 2016, 07:55:59 PM wrote:Well yea that's obviously the real theory but that one's no fun
I also love that friggin Kojima gave some ridiculous reason for his newest misogynistic character. It's so much more insulting than simply stating "I like skimpy outfits and tits, and so does my teenage audience."

"The reason that Kojima is referencing here - the plot point that means Quiet has to wear as little as humanly possible - is that she is infected by a parasite that grants her superhuman powers but means she must breathe through her skin. She also takes in water and light like a plant."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015- ... ma-ashamed
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Ettinauer226XL on Feb 21 2016, 03:48:17 PM wrote:Only complaint was Cia. The cleavage was so fucking unnecessary, even more than in the Pheonix Wright games. Not only that, but it felt so out of place too. Like seriously, just look at it! WTF
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"Boobs...I always remember boobs."
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yep. checks out.
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I have played 7 of them...no regrets...maybe...
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Holy crap that Rachael from Ninja Gaiden 2, she probably has severe back problems.
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So fucking smart!!

http://www.mandatory.com/2015/02/27/if- ... o-it-like/

She could probably sell me E.T. For Atari
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Biggest years on the list:
1999- 48
2009- 45
2005- 43
1993- 40
2004- 39
1998- 38
2003- 37
2001- 37
2000- 36
2010- 35
2007- 34
1997- 33
1996- 32
2012- 32
1992- 31
1994- 31
2011- 30
2006- 29
2002- 28
1991- 28
2013- 27
1995- 26
1990- 25
1987- 24
2008- 23
2014- 21
1989- 19
1988- 17
1986- 15
1982- 14
1984- 13
1983- 12
2015- 12
1985- 10
1980- 9
1981- 8
1979- 3
1972- 3
1971- 2
1978- 1
1977- 1
1976- 1
1962- 1

I'm pretty bored.
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Rich on Feb 23 2016, 01:49:31 PM wrote:I'm pretty bored.
By any chance, you didn't happen to notice what the top games missing from Kas' list are? :whistling:
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frbrown on Feb 23 2016, 02:25:04 PM wrote:
Rich on Feb 23 2016, 01:49:31 PM wrote:I'm pretty bored.
By any chance, you didn't happen to notice what the top games missing from Kas' list are? :whistling:
Heh, I'll do it later.

I'm making a list of the top franchises on it.
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Rich on Feb 23 2016, 01:49:31 PM wrote:1976- 1
1962- 1
Such a huge gap between the earliest two years. I didn't even know they made a video game as early as 1962!
You can play it here online:
http://www.masswerk.at/spacewar/
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Franchises with 3 or more games on the list:
Super Mario- 18
Final Fantasy- 15
Star Wars- 15
Zelda- 15
Pokemon- 10
Ultima- 10
Metal Gear & MGS- 9
Castlevania- 8
Mario Kart- 8
Metroid- 8
Street Fighter- 8
Dragon Quest/Warrior- 7
GTA- 7
Mario RPG/Mario & Luigi/Paper- 7
Sonic the Hedgehog- 7
Virtua- 7
D&D (Arcade games/Neverwinter/Baldur/Planescape)- 6
COD- 6
FIFA- 6
Batman- 5
Civilization- 5
Donkey Kong Country- 5
Donkey Kong/DK 64/DK, Jr.- 5
Fallout- 5
God of War- 5
Gran Turismo- 5
Halo- 5
Kirby- 5
Pro Evolution Soccer- 5
Resident Evil- 5
Smash Bros.- 5
System Shock/Bioshock/Bioshock Infinite- 5
Assassin's Creed- 4
Battlefield- 4
Burnout- 4
Elder Scrolls- 4
Far Cry- 4
Fire Emblem- 4
Mega Man & Mega Man X- 4
Panzer Dragoon- 4
Phantasy Star- 4
Ratchet & Clank- 4
Shin Megami Tensei & SMT: Persona- 4
WarCraft- 4
Advance Wars- 3
Animal Crossing- 3
Bomberman- 3
Command & Conquer- 3
Contra- 3
Counter-Strike- 3
Crash Bandicoot- 3
Demons Souls & Dark Souls- 3
Diablo- 3
Doom- 3
F-Zero- 3
Forza- 3
Gears of War- 3
Ghouls n Ghosts & Ghosts n Goblins- 3
Half-Life- 3
Jak- 3
King's Quest- 3
Madden- 3
Mass Effect- 3
Max Payne- 3
Monkey Island- 3
Mortal Kombat- 3
Ninja Gaiden- 3
Ogre Battle & Tactics Ogre- 3
OutRun- 3
Pac-Man- 3
Pikmin- 3
Project Gotham Racing- 3
Punch-Out- 3
Rainbow Six- 3
Rayman- 3
Rock Band- 3
Quake- 3
Shining Force- 3
Shinobi- 3
Silent Hill- 3
SimCity- 3
Splinter Cell- 3
Tekken- 3
Tetris- 3
The Sims- 3
The Witcher- 3
Thief- 3
Tomb Raider- 3
Tony Hawk's Pro-Skater- 3
Turtles- 3
Uncharted- 3
Unreal- 3
WarioWare- 3
Wing Commander- 3
Wolfenstein- 3
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joachimt on Feb 23 2016, 02:52:18 PM wrote:
Rich on Feb 23 2016, 01:49:31 PM wrote:1976- 1
1962- 1
Such a huge gap between the earliest two years. I didn't even know they made a video game as early as 1962!
You can play it here online:
http://www.masswerk.at/spacewar/
Yeah that was a big shock to me as well.

There are some games in the database from earlier and later - but we're talking about really low on the list.


Also - it's interesting how the top two years are decade enders
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frbrown on Feb 23 2016, 02:25:04 PM wrote:
Rich on Feb 23 2016, 01:49:31 PM wrote:I'm pretty bored.
By any chance, you didn't happen to notice what the top games missing from Kas' list are? :whistling:
67. Quake
85. Diablo
92. Wolfenstein 3D
95. Halo 3
96. Dune II
98. WarCraft II
107. Beyond Good & Evil
113. Planescape: Torment
115. Lemmings
119. Duke Nukem 3D
121. Fallout
132. The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
126. Ultima IV
129. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
131. Donkey Kong Country
140. Final Fantasy IV
143. Ultima Underworld
159. WarCraft III
162. Bioshock Infinite
164. R-Type
165. Company of Heroes
167. MULE
168. XCOM: Enemy Unknown (2012)
171. Far Cry 3
172. Alone in the Dark
173. SoulCalibur II
175. Street Fighter IV
176. Skies of Arcadia
177. Ultima Online
178. Rome: Total War
181. Super Meat Boy
182. Final Fantasy
183. Prince of Persia
184. Super Mario Bros. 2
189. Dragon Quest
190. Streets of Rage 2
191. Eve Online
192. Deus Ex: Human Revolution
194. Sam & Max Hit the Road
195. Dishonored
197. Final Fantasy XII
198. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory
199. Tomb Raider (2013)
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You forgot Twilight Princess at #90, it wasn't on my list.
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Thanks, Rich!

Several of the top ones seem to be 90s PC games - not sure if that's a pattern or just a coincidence.
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frbrown on Feb 23 2016, 08:39:33 PM wrote:Thanks, Rich!

Several of the top ones seem to be 90s PC games - not sure if that's a pattern or just a coincidence.
Making a metalist like this always has the issue of the primacy effect. Some lists are from the early 00s or late 90s which limits their scope.

I've tried to control it the best that I can with how I weight a list's value, but newer games will need a while to prove themselves.

On the other hand, there were a lot of gameplay breakthroughs in the 90s. So it stands that they do well based on influence.

Like how the highest Pokemon game is Red/Blue. Later releases like Platinum are better, but people love nostalgia.
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Kasparius on Feb 23 2016, 08:20:27 PM wrote:You forgot Twilight Princess at #90, it wasn't on my list.
Think I forgot Pokemon Gen. 2, too.
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Mulholland, would you be able to add a page to the site, listing all the sources used?
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frbrown on Feb 24 2016, 12:45:54 PM wrote:Mulholland, would you be able to add a page to the site, listing all the sources used?
It would 1340ish long... which would be a bit massive. Might follow the TSPDT idea and list by publication/website and not go into specifics.

Once this tendonitis in both wrists clears up I might make a start on it... my file naming has been abominable.
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Mulholland on Feb 24 2016, 04:21:29 PM wrote:
frbrown on Feb 24 2016, 12:45:54 PM wrote:Mulholland, would you be able to add a page to the site, listing all the sources used?
It would 1340ish long... which would be a bit massive. Might follow the TSPDT idea and list by publication/website and not go into specifics.
I mean something like these

http://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000 ... ources.htm
http://theyshootzombies.com/ghf1000/sources/
http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/Current/a ... _lists.htm

all of which are massive. TSPDT's is probably the easiest, since it doesn't link to the sources, just names them.


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Your tendonitis wasn't caused by too many video games, was it :D
Hope you get better soon!
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It's interesting to see the differences between this and something like Metacritic/GameRankings where it's an amalgamation of reviews primarily on release of a game.

Like you mentioned newer games currently suffer which is a bit like TSPDT's viewpoint of they need to prove themselves over time.

This does help correct for overhype of a game upon release though.
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The other thing with metacritic now is that games come out unfinished. A game 6 months after release has ironed out many quirks and would get a better grade. So re-evaluation is necessary.
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