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This made me laugh out loud esp. the blurb on Beaker. The Muppets friggin rock.

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I have watched the Good place. Yay me.
Thanks to mostly this video
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Added it to my top 30 favorite series.
Page 37 here was when MS discussed it here.

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Honestly Brooklyn 99 is pretty progressive. The cast is very diverse and the character arcs develop the characters nicely as well. Of course, you need to enjoy Andy Samberg’s humor to want to watch this one (fortunately I find him pretty funny most of the time).
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Just saw the first episode of The Outer Limits. I think Twilight Zone has some competition.
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Pretentious Hipster wrote: April 16th, 2021, 1:04 am Just saw the first episode of The Outer Limits. I think Twilight Zone has some competition.
Hope Rod Serling can handle it when he finds out :blink:
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Move over Camus, here's a real philosopher: https://imgur.com/a/WgvX8Xh
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Pretentious Hipster wrote: April 21st, 2021, 12:25 pm Move over Camus, here's a real philosopher: https://imgur.com/a/WgvX8Xh
dang ol tell you what
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I’m finally catching up to the Alex Garland mini-series Devs. Only two episodes in so far but damn am I hooked. Captivating, mysterious sci-fi...loving it.
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The trailers for Devs looked very intriguing, but I never gave it a shot unfortunately. Alex Garland being attached also makes it more enticing, I didn't even realize he was involved. Will try again to work that into my watchlist at some point.

In TV related news for me, I am wrapping up The West Wing season 4, and I started Chernobyl last night which is as good as promised.
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Pretentious Hipster wrote: April 21st, 2021, 12:25 pm Move over Camus, here's a real philosopher: https://imgur.com/a/WgvX8Xh
That's Daria, right? Or my brain is malfunctioning.
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Armoreska wrote: April 25th, 2021, 4:40 pm
Pretentious Hipster wrote: April 21st, 2021, 12:25 pm Move over Camus, here's a real philosopher: https://imgur.com/a/WgvX8Xh
That's Daria, right? Or my brain is malfunctioning.
Lol. No, it’s King of the Hill.
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GruesomeTwosome wrote: April 25th, 2021, 7:34 pm
Armoreska wrote: April 25th, 2021, 4:40 pm
Pretentious Hipster wrote: April 21st, 2021, 12:25 pm Move over Camus, here's a real philosopher: https://imgur.com/a/WgvX8Xh
That's Daria, right? Or my brain is malfunctioning.
Lol. No, it’s King of the Hill.
Ah yes now I recall. Only saw 1 ep of that and in some videos over the years.

yeah Brooklyn Nine-Nine, I saw a video about that
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and here's one about the themes of Dinosaurs
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King of the Hill is a great show, but I still think this video is the best thing to come out of it:

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beasterne wrote: April 27th, 2021, 5:19 pm King of the Hill is a great show, but I still think this video is the best thing to come out of it:

That one is great but I prefer this series

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Watching Twin Peaks season 3 and I didn't expect it to go in THIS direction

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just realized im getting a temporary official check off having watched
Nathan for You
(checked out my unchecked on <400 just before checking 1000 short thingz from last month)

btw that was the definition of pleasant time waster but perfectly skippable. a few episodes are fine for the series check
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I made a list of TV series from those nominated for TSZDT (there are few TV lists and I also deleted some series from this list which weren't horror enough coz this list is mostly for me): https://www.imdb.com/list/ls500363907/. Any recs? I haven't been able to get Attack on Titan to play on my TV so I'm finally just watching it on my PC and am halfway through season 3 and looking for something cool to watch afterwards. I'm leaning towards Monster, Paranoia Agent, Parasyte and Elfen Lied as they seem the most interesting to me plot-wise.

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Liked/watching and liking:
American Horror Story
Twin Peaks
True Blood
The Terror
Dexter
The Twilight Zone
Hannibal
Supernatural
Stranger Things
Attack on Titan
Buffy
Black Mirror
The X Files
Death Note
Being Human
In the Flesh
Harper's Island
Are You Afraid of the Dark

Ok:
The Walking Dead
True Detective
Masters of Horror
Angel

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The Vampire Diaries
The League of Gentlemen
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Paranoia Agent is very short (a short miniseries) so that's my first recommendation. Monster would be my second. I watched the subbed version of both. I watched a little of the dubbed English version of Monster and it wasn't doing it for me.

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Armoreska wrote: May 16th, 2021, 5:33 am Nathan for You
btw that was the definition of pleasant time waster but perfectly skippable. a few episodes are fine for the series check
Cringe take. Nathan is arguably the greatest show ever made
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Pretentious Hipster wrote: May 16th, 2021, 5:53 pm
Armoreska wrote: May 16th, 2021, 5:33 am Nathan for You
btw that was the definition of pleasant time waster but perfectly skippable. a few episodes are fine for the series check
Cringe take. Nathan is arguably the greatest show ever made
won't argue but don't see that at all. good thing i decided to watch it then.
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mightysparks wrote: May 16th, 2021, 3:09 pm Any recs?
Fear Itself is fun if you liked the Master of Horror anthology. I know you don't care too much about directors, but the people involved are generally quite decent horror directors.
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Armoreska wrote: May 16th, 2021, 5:56 pm
Pretentious Hipster wrote: May 16th, 2021, 5:53 pm
Armoreska wrote: May 16th, 2021, 5:33 am Nathan for You
btw that was the definition of pleasant time waster but perfectly skippable. a few episodes are fine for the series check
Cringe take. Nathan is arguably the greatest show ever made
won't argue but don't see that at all. good thing i decided to watch it then.
I guess it comes down to the humour style? I feel like he accomplishes in what Borat could fail to do. Both of them do the most outlandish trolling possible, but Nathan's method seems a lot less exploitative.
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outdoorcats wrote: May 16th, 2021, 5:51 pm Paranoia Agent is very short (a short miniseries) so that's my first recommendation. Monster would be my second. I watched the subbed version of both. I watched a little of the dubbed English version of Monster and it wasn't doing it for me.
Yea I hate dubbed versions. The subs for S3 of Attack on Titan don't work so I'm having to watch the dubbed one and urghhhh.
Onderhond wrote: May 16th, 2021, 5:57 pm
mightysparks wrote: May 16th, 2021, 3:09 pm Any recs?
Fear Itself is fun if you liked the Master of Horror anthology. I know you don't care too much about directors, but the people involved are generally quite decent horror directors.
I'm keen on an anthology series so I'll give it a go. I tried watching Into the Dark because a few eps got nominated but man is it a drag. I only watched the first 3-4 eps but the quality is not good...
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mightysparks wrote: May 17th, 2021, 3:23 am
outdoorcats wrote: May 16th, 2021, 5:51 pm Paranoia Agent is very short (a short miniseries) so that's my first recommendation. Monster would be my second. I watched the subbed version of both. I watched a little of the dubbed English version of Monster and it wasn't doing it for me.
Yea I hate dubbed versions. The subs for S3 of Attack on Titan don't work so I'm having to watch the dubbed one and urghhhh.
I've seen a little of dubbed AoT. I agree it's the inferior version, but the voice actor for Erwin in the English one is really, really good.

Also your Monster comment got me listening to the soundtrack on Youtube, and now I'm sitting down and doing the write-up I said I would last year. So stay tuned. (It will be spoiler-free)

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So let's talk Monster. Where to begin with this massive, epic, hard-to-classify hidden gem? This will be kind of scattered.

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The 74-episode anime, adapted directly and with virtually no changes from Naoki Urasawa's 1994-2001 manga, remains officially unavailable outside of user-created playlists on Youtube, yet in message boards and corners of the internet where rich, adult-oriented anime are loved, it is spoken of with reverence and the textual equivalent of hushed tones. There are numerous video essays on Youtube arguing that the series' antagonist, Johan Liebert, is the greatest anime villain - or greatest villain, period - of all time: here, and here for example. Since that subject has been covered pretty extensively, I'll take a look at what other aspects of the show make it great - particularly it's style, soundtrack, characterization and themes - and how these elements combine to make Monster one of the greatest and most emotionally, psychologically, and philosophically rich shows of all time.

Of particular importance I have to cite Glass Reflection's review of the show and how the theme of Philippa Foot's "trolley problem" pervades the entire series.

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The story of Monster is this: a gifted Japanese brain surgeon, Dr. Tenma, lives in Düsseldorf in the late '80s. His career on the rise, engaged to the director's daughter, the quiet and conscientious Tenma encounters his own version of the trolley problem when two critical patients are brought around the same time. The first one is a child, named Johan, who has been shot in the head. Shortly after he begins surgery on him, the mayor is brought in in similarly critical condition, and for political reasons Tenma is pressured by the director to abandon his first patient for the mayor. Knowing his fellow surgeons are too incompetent to save the child, Tenma ignores orders and continues operating on Johan, and the mayor dies. The consequences of Tenma's choice don't become apparent until many years later, when he is framed for a series of serial killings and must go on the run.

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Perhaps the best way to describe the show's unique style to North Americans is to contradict myself and say that it is, in a certain sense, not anime. It is an animated series from Japan, but contains virtually none of the characteristics we think of when we use the term "anime" in the west. It is a thriller set in the real-world, against historical backdrops, with no purely fantastic elements. In terms of story, style, and themes, Monster has more in common with live-action dramas - for example, Urasawa has said one of the strongest inspirations for the series was the experience of seeing The Fugitive series on TV as a child, which also features a framed doctor on the run and other story similarities. Besides The Fugitive, Monster seems to have more in common with Hitchcock, Twin Peaks, and even the writings of Pynchon and Kundera than anime. Even the style of drawing faces, as in Urasawa's manga, features far more detail and realism than in imagery stereotypically associated with anime. These are of course stereotypes, and Japanese animation features some pretty diverse styles - just look at the works of Yuasa - and any Japanese animated work is by definition anime.

Yet as wrong as it is, describing Monster as "not anime" could be a helpful gateway to suggest to a newcomer just how unique this show is. It is for certain a show that many who "don't like anime" may love, and many who love anime may find boring. I do not mean to imply that there isn't a rich history of thematically and philosophically rich anime, some examples of which, such as Cowboy Bebop, became huge international hits. What rather makes Monster unique is the real-world setting. After all, part of the appeal of animation is to depict the wildly fantastical, in ways that don't quite work in live action. With Monster, on the other hand, there's no particular reason in theory that this couldn't be a live-action series, other than the simple one that it's unlikely a studio would bankroll an adaptation of this long, cerebral, slow-burning story - as Guillermo Del Toro has unfortunately proven over the years - much less one as devoutly faithful as MADHOUSE and Masayuki Kojima's adaptation.

In terms of composition and editing, it's obvious from early episodes that Kojima worked with a limited animation budget. Most of the show's shots involve one or two characters animated over a static background. These constraints seemed to force the show to focus more than usual in shot choice, composition, and rhythm to convey mood.

Let's look at this scene from episode 4, the scene which kicks the main story into motion. Notice how shadows and what is unseen, rather than seen, is used to create dread. The static shot of Tenma ascending a dark staircase, only his feet visible as he disappears into darkness above. The subsequent eerieness of his patient calling out to him, warning him, his voice and Tenma's footsteps echoing through the empty building. As with Tenma, our gaze scans back and forth, seeing nothing but emptiness and shadows as Junkers pleads with him to turn back before it's too late. Then the confrontation with Johan, where he remains silhouetted - and so we are first introduced to our antagonist not by appearance, but his unsettlingly gentle voice and the contrast it strikes with what he says, and the contrast between his calm and Junkers' desperate panic. Look at the wide shot here, with its blurred edges, monochromatic hues, sharp shadows and haunting emptiness suggesting Hopper by way of a noir film. The way a sudden rainstorm is conveyed simply though a closeup of raindrops and sound effects, and is no less effective as dramatic punctuation. This is, relatively speaking, not complex or difficult animation - in fact, there's barely any animation at all. Yet, thanks to Kojima's direction, it's a sequence as iconic as any in the anime canon.

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music

When going over that scene, one key element that I left out, no less critical to its success, is the soundtrack by Kuniaki Haishima. Throughout the series, it becomes clear that Kojima and Haishima are music and soundtrack nerds with eclectic tastes, that use music both psychologically and to pay homage to some of Monster's thematic influences. Take, for example, the track that plays in that scene. It's one of many highly Hermann-esque tracks on the soundtrack, and although it's not unusual to see film and TV composers pay direct homage to Bernard Hermann, it's worth noting that Hermann's frequent collaborator, Hitchcock, shared a fascination with stories about people on the run for crimes they didn't commit.

The intro sequence music, titled "Grain," is one of the first things that arrested me and made me realize I was watching something different. You don't often see anime OPs with off-beat percussion that sound like something from "Trout Mask Replica." For the end credits, the show was able to recruit progressive/art rocker David Sylvian to compose "For the Love of Life," a work of heavenly beauty which hints at what an emotional, thoughtful, and empathetic journey this story will become, and an instrumental version of this theme is woven into some of the series' most revelatory moments.

Taking a deeper dive into the original soundtrack album, we start with track 3, "Drift Mind," which both has an uncanny, medieval feel with its choice of instrumentation, but also the sense of an establishing shot, wide-eyed with wonder at a new world. Soon the track opens up into the emotional, optimistic string theme which is unofficially Tenma's theme. There's a duality to the themes of Monster, a fascination with the extremes of both good and evil in humanity, and this track makes your heart swell with hope for the good.

Contrast it with the static-laced, jazzy horror of track 7, "Sweet Home," one of many tracks suggesting Angelo Badalamenti's Twin Peaks soundtrack. Track 9, "Nacht Music," sounds like it should be playing at One Eyed Jack's, along with the sultry, corny lounge jazz of track 18, "Be Lit Up," the soundtrack to smiling and laughing in public while internally losing your shit. Track 6, "Collage Man," plays a jazzy base line against dissonant, modernist choral vocals.

Tracks 4, 5 and 8 are pure Hermann, with "Part" and "Float Flower" suggesting the haunting mystery of Vertigo and "Gingerly" calling to mind a rain-swept Bates Motel at night.

Then we have track 10, "Xenia," which rivals the orchestral sweep of any period Hollywood blockbuster, followed soon after by "Idler Wheel" and "Bush," tracks which bring back the archaic, medieval sound of "Drift Mind," with "Bush" sounding like a forgotten Fairpoint Convention instrumental that starts to unravel and become gradually more and more unsettling. The medieval sounds are possibly inspired by the setting of the fairy tale story-within-a-story which becomes both a focal plot point and a neat summation of one of the show's key themes.

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characterization and themes

That key theme is that there is a monster in all of us, waiting to devour us whole, but conversely there might be glimmers of humanity even in the most evil of people. This theme is critical to understanding the characterization of all of the show's massive gallery of characters, a morally complex tapestry of humanity.

Eva Heinemann, for example, begins as a nauseatingly shallow socialite, but goes through a long and fascinating character arc. It is nothing as simplistic as "a redemption arc," but rather an enrichening and deepening of our understanding of her as a character and where her flaws come from. The dogged, obsessed Inspector Lunge, the "Gerard" (or the Javert) of this story, has an unimpeachable code of honesty, but his character traits operate in the grey area somewhere between admirable qualities and moral flaws. Grimmer, an investigative reporter, pursues noble goals even as a darkness eats away at him from the inside. Other characters who committed heinous crimes in the past are found to have softened with time and turned repentant.

The show itself operates in this moral grey zone. The trolley problem - which posits the moral dilemma of a bystander who can choose to do nothing and watch a trolley kill five people, or flip a switch and cause it to only kill one person - bookends the series, but the series never tells us what is the "right answer." Is violence justified to stop more violence? Urasawa isn't interested in drawing a conclusion for us, other than perhaps there is none. Rather, Monster is a story about people who have to live with that ambiguity - or can't.

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a couple other thoughts:

I've looked up a lot of interviews with Urasawa about Monster, but from what I can see there are no references to him living in Germany. In fact, the only reference I can find suggesting he's even visited Europe is one where he mentions how in the years immediately after the fall of the USSR, the Czech Republic still wasn't as "tourist friendly" as Germany and therefore the streets were less well lit at night (which inspired him to move the action of the story from Germany to Prague and Brno to 'capture that darkness'). The idea that Urasawa had never lived in Germany is surprising to me after watching the series, which is rich in political, social, and cultural detail. Urasawa doesn't see Germany or the Czech Republic with a tourist's eye, but a sociologist's crossed with a journalist's. I would have assumed that not only did he live in Germany like Tenma, but spent his time there talking to many people and asking them about their life experiences. Instead I am forced to conclude that Urasawa constructed this all from his imagination and, as he said in one interview, watching documentaries. It's enough to make any writer feel inadequate in comparison. :mellow:

There is a much deeper plunge to take into Monster - say, for example, on the character of Johan and what he represents, and the series' take on psychology and the concept of nature v. nurture - but not without spoiling much of the journey. There are a number of excellent essays on Youtube analyzing Johan and the series' ending, for those who have already finished the series (see here, here, and here). For now, I have to wrap these scattered thoughts up and get some sleep.

tl;dr - Monster gud.

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Wow. :o
Would you mind copying this over to the Anime series thread? So it doesn't get "lost" in this thread.

I considered giving this a watch this spring, but reordered my priorities. Hugely psyched now .. :thumbsup:
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I've seen the beginning of Monster and couldn't get into it, also can't really match the fragments with the descriptions given, but :poshclap: for this review. The forum needs more of these.
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Torgo wrote: May 18th, 2021, 2:29 pm Wow. :o
Would you mind copying this over to the Anime series thread? So it doesn't get "lost" in this thread.

I considered giving this a watch this spring, but reordered my priorities. Hugely psyched now .. :thumbsup:

Sure.

As Glass Reflection did, I recommend giving the series 4 episodes (which equates to about 90 minutes), as the plot doesn't really kick off until episode 4.
Onderhond wrote: May 18th, 2021, 2:32 pm I've seen the beginning of Monster and couldn't get into it, also can't really match the fragments with the descriptions given, but :poshclap: for this review. The forum needs more of these.
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Just finished Cowboy Bebop (started watching before it became official, so just good timing on my part). I was a bit underwhelmed to be honest. Probably a lot to do with expectations being too high, mixed with the trope of "Seinfeld isn't funny." It was fine, but I definitely wasn't blown away.

Anyone have any quick thoughts on what I might be missing/things that might help me appreciate the show more?

Banger of an opening theme though.
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Completed Monster anime today..

it was awesome...kept me glued till the end...one of best written stories in anime for sure

excellent write up outdoorcats :thumbsup:
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-Cowboy Bebop switches between wildly different genres from episode to episode and masters all of them.
-One of the best soundtracks of all time (which also switches between wildly different musical genres and masters all of them).
-An incredible ability to tell great stories, often profoundly moving ones, which are nearly all self-contained, in only 22 minutes.
-Every character in the main cast, including the dog, is iconic and have great chemistry as a team.
-Incredible voice acting, some of the best of all time, in both the original Japanese and the English dub.
-Some of the best animation of all time, as well as best animated fight choreography.
-Fantastic world-building and visuals. Just a great-looking show from start to finish.
-That one episode which homages both Alien and Godard is so goddamn good. Pure irreverence at its best IMO.
-Arguably the best series finale, of any TV show, of all time.

You may agree or disagree with some of these. I will say that it is a show that grows in your memory after you first watch it, and many would agree that it gets better and better on repeat viewings. Be sure to check out Cowboy Bebop: The Movie!
Ritesh wrote: May 18th, 2021, 5:33 pm Completed Monster anime today..

it was awesome...kept me glued till the end...one of best written stories in anime for sure

excellent write up outdoorcats :thumbsup:
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I've been watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer for the first time. I'm current in season 5. I've heard many good things about the show, but the first three seasons were a real slog to get through.

Season 4 wasn't great either as they had this government military-industrial complex villain that didn't really make sense. Actually, "not making sense" is a continuing problem as the writers are extremely cagey with information. Powers and abilities are ill-defined and depend on what the situation needs. Over and over again characters will conveniently find the one piece of information they need by going through random books to find information. How is all this information not catalogued better by all the organizations that appear with fully-formed previously unknown backstories and then vanish just as quickly?

Those bad writing problems are probably going to continue. The supporters characters are at least getting less annoying as time moves on. I'm not watching Angel concurrently as if it's similar, then I don't think I can stand it.

I've got 2 and a half seasons to go, but so far I feel like this has been over-hyped.
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Judging by the reviews, there's something we're not getting it. But I haven't really watched it other than way back in the 90s.

personally i have it at a 3/10
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I got more into it as seasons went by and I enjoyed it a lot but I feel like now I might not like it as much...
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Kublai Khan wrote: May 19th, 2021, 12:11 pm I've been watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer for the first time. I'm current in season 5. I've heard many good things about the show, but the first three seasons were a real slog to get through.

Season 4 wasn't great either as(...)
Why do you do this then? :o That's very disciplined; if I don't like a series after 3 or 4 episodes chances are high I won't bother anymore. It's just too time-consuming.
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Torgo wrote: May 19th, 2021, 2:33 pm
Kublai Khan wrote: May 19th, 2021, 12:11 pm I've been watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer for the first time. I'm current in season 5. I've heard many good things about the show, but the first three seasons were a real slog to get through.

Season 4 wasn't great either as(...)
Why do you do this then? :o That's very disciplined; if I don't like a series after 3 or 4 episodes chances are high I won't bother anymore. It's just too time-consuming.
Well, a couple of reasons..

1) it's not a solo watch through or a binge. My wife is enjoying it as we watch it in spurts.
2) I'm aware that a lot of series tend to get better after their 3rd season or so as they find their groove.
3) The strength of all the recommendations for it have me continuing to go forward through curiosity.
4) Unless it's truly wretched, I tend to be a completionist.
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Kublai Khan wrote: May 19th, 2021, 11:40 pm
Torgo wrote: May 19th, 2021, 2:33 pm
Kublai Khan wrote: May 19th, 2021, 12:11 pm I've been watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer for the first time. I'm current in season 5. I've heard many good things about the show, but the first three seasons were a real slog to get through.

Season 4 wasn't great either as(...)
Why do you do this then? :o That's very disciplined; if I don't like a series after 3 or 4 episodes chances are high I won't bother anymore. It's just too time-consuming.
Well, a couple of reasons..

1) it's not a solo watch through or a binge. My wife is enjoying it as we watch it in spurts.
2) I'm aware that a lot of series tend to get better after their 3rd season or so as they find their groove.
3) The strength of all the recommendations for it have me continuing to go forward through curiosity.
4) Unless it's truly wretched, I tend to be a completionist.
Back on your original point, though I've never seen it, my wife has a couple times (at least) and within the last few years. Based on comments she was making, it's fine. Not great. Not terrible. Clunky writing for sure. Not as good as remembered. But still entertaining enough.

My recollection with a bit of historical perspective is that part of what made it appealing is that you have a series centered on teenage young women, being smart, and being utter badasses. And that was just something that wasn't represented well at the time. I was a teenager when that came out, and while I was never interested in it, I knew about Buffy precisely because it was a new thing you rarely got to see.
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The Friends Reunion Special (2021) is there and starts with an 8.9 (4000 votes) on IMDb! It's unscripted and has maany guest stars.
Personally, I'm not interested at all in it. :sweat:
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Wait... is this a serious show? Because this seriously just looks like a hilarious skit to me

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Oh boy, the handshake :D
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