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Got it?

Yeah, I got it and feel HORRIBLE.
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Yes, I had it but have recovered.
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I think I had it, but not sure.
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Post by Cippenham » June 29th, 2020, 8:36 am

I have seen a video of Biden who wants to make masks compulsory probably for always just to be safe.

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Post by xianjiro » June 29th, 2020, 9:21 am

Seems I remember someone promising us we'd be tired of winning so much. How long have we been on top of the CoV-19 stats? No, Americans aren't just tired of all this 'winning,' they're dying from all this 'winning.'

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Post by Cippenham » June 29th, 2020, 12:17 pm

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -lockdown/

Boris wants to follow Roosevelt as a model to recover , this is a disaster, instead he should be following my hero Warren Harding , the roaring twenties indeed.

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Post by Knaldskalle » June 29th, 2020, 4:07 pm

No wonder you like Trump, your hero is a guy whose lover was paid to stay quiet by the Republican Party, who died after only 2 years as president and yet managed to become embroiled in the biggest presidential scandal, Teapot Dome, the country had experienced.
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Post by OldAle1 » June 29th, 2020, 4:34 pm

Knaldskalle wrote:
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No wonder you like Trump, your hero is a guy whose lover was paid to stay quiet by the Republican Party, who died after only 2 years as president and yet managed to become embroiled in the biggest presidential scandal, Teapot Dome, the country had experienced.
Also, like Trump, one of the worst-regarded Presidents of the past century. I presume cipp's other favorites are probably GW Bush and Nixon, and if he knows much about 19th century US politics I'm sure he's a Buchanan/Andrew Johnson man.

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Post by GruesomeTwosome » June 30th, 2020, 8:03 pm

I’m to remember every man I've seen fall into a plate of spaghetti???

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Post by Cippenham » July 1st, 2020, 4:46 am

Not sure about Trump as in some respects he is to the left of Biden. Trump may well lose the election due to this crisis, but Biden may not even make it to January or only as a shell really. Too ill to do debates I am going to expect. As for The roaring twenties, the economic policies were correct, I wasn’t talking about individual behaviour. As regards that let the person with no sin cast the first stone.

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Post by Cippenham » July 1st, 2020, 5:01 am

My favourite website is by Toby Young, here he proves that the decision to lockdown Leicester is wrong . He completely puts a good case for not having lockdown at all so is to be commended. What a dreadful shower this government is, but still better than Corbyn, that’s the trouble, what a Terrible choice we had. Socialism With Boris or communism under Corbyn. Two people over 80 might be saved by further ruining people’s lives in Leicester causing more deaths and problems. I would forecast this would cause more deaths than it will save.


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Post by brokenface » July 1st, 2020, 7:01 am

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My favourite website is by Toby Young
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Post by TraverseTown » July 1st, 2020, 7:52 pm

My great-great-uncle tested positive for the virus today. He lives in Arizona (from NY like me and the rest of my family) and he's 73. He was going out regularly with no mask despite diabetes and obesity. I don't know him very well, but my grandmother (his niece who is older than him) will be devastated if he has a bad outcome, but hopefully will scare her into staying home considering she's even older and less healthy.

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Post by Armoreska » July 1st, 2020, 10:56 pm

GruesomeTwosome wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 8:03 pm
Just what we all needed to hear:

Scientists Say New Strain of Swine Flu Virus Is Spreading to Humans in China
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Post by 3eyes » July 1st, 2020, 11:32 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... id-19-drug

Naturally, only red states will have access to it.
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Post by Cippenham » July 3rd, 2020, 3:58 pm

Good news a v shaped recovery in the USA 4.8 million jobs created In a June , that is not from the government, that is not what the lame stream media wants to hear, but it’s good for those people now back in work and this will continue.

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Post by Knaldskalle » July 3rd, 2020, 7:13 pm

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July 3rd, 2020, 3:58 pm
Good news a v shaped recovery in the USA 4.8 million jobs created In a June , that is not from the government, that is not what the lame stream media wants to hear, but it’s good for those people now back in work and this will continue.
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Post by Cippenham » July 3rd, 2020, 11:58 pm

There is a nice cartoon in the Telegraph. Pubs and hairdressers reopen Saturday here. A woman arrives home with a terrible haircut saying her hairdresser had been in the pub for hours... :D

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Post by jvv » July 4th, 2020, 12:40 am

Knaldskalle wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 7:13 pm
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July 3rd, 2020, 3:58 pm
Good news a v shaped recovery in the USA 4.8 million jobs created In a June , that is not from the government, that is not what the lame stream media wants to hear, but it’s good for those people now back in work and this will continue.
B.S.
Is firing all your employees and rehiring (some of) them three months later really job creation? Because, that's what I think is most likely happening here.


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Post by Cippenham » July 4th, 2020, 4:56 am

JVV is probably right but there is a lot of churn and still a lot unemployed.

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Post by Cippenham » July 4th, 2020, 5:00 am

But for young people the risk is really really low now in the Uk. So they should go to the pub unless they have underlying serious health conditions. I have so much work I am now doing overtime on Saturday, but might go to a pub on Sunday, no problem.

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Post by Cippenham » July 4th, 2020, 5:08 am

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... demic.html

Pubs can open from 6 am but most won’t, but apparently a few hairdressers opened at midnight, I have booked haircut for later this month. Chancellor Says we almost have a duty to go on holiday or go to the pub or restaurant.

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Post by joachimt » July 4th, 2020, 5:25 am

I had a meeting at work yesterday about how we will organize things in September when all students can come to school all day, but they have to keep 1.5 m distance from adults. I still have no idea how we will manage this. Teachers can't walk through hallways at the same time as students this way, because there's not enough room. Classrooms are roughly 40 m2 with 30 students, so it's almost impossible to stand in front of the classroom. How can I help students individually if I'm not even allowed to walk through the classroom?
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Post by Cippenham » July 4th, 2020, 5:47 am

https://lockdownsceptics.org/why-leices ... -lockdown/

A Leicester doctor anonymously explains why the Leicester lockdown is wrong And not necessary and based on unreliable data as well

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Post by Cippenham » July 4th, 2020, 5:48 am

Children and adults under 65 have minimal risk anyway. So that 1.5 metre rule is not at all necessary in schools and is ridiculous.

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Post by joachimt » July 4th, 2020, 7:01 am

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July 4th, 2020, 5:48 am
Children and adults under 65 have minimal risk anyway. So that 1.5 metre rule is not at all necessary in schools and is ridiculous.
I think we should keep distance where possible with strangers, like in stores etc...
But if 1.5 m results in decreasing quality of education, I believe we shouldn't be so strict. Just as long as people with fever and/or runny nose etc... stay at home.
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Post by Cippenham » July 4th, 2020, 2:43 pm

Ok fair enough I agree with Joachim.

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Post by Knaldskalle » July 4th, 2020, 5:23 pm

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July 4th, 2020, 5:25 am
I had a meeting at work yesterday about how we will organize things in September when all students can come to school all day, but they have to keep 1.5 m distance from adults. I still have no idea how we will manage this. Teachers can't walk through hallways at the same time as students this way, because there's not enough room. Classrooms are roughly 40 m2 with 30 students, so it's almost impossible to stand in front of the classroom. How can I help students individually if I'm not even allowed to walk through the classroom?
In New Mexico the plan so far is to divide all students into 2 groups and teach group A Monday and Tuesday, close schools on Wednesday for cleaning and teach Group B Thursday and Friday. This effectively cuts class sizes in half. On the days students aren't in school they're supposed to do online learning. How teachers are supposed to teach one group in class at the same time they're teaching the other group online is a question the New Mexico Public Education Department is still "working on."

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Post by blocho » July 4th, 2020, 6:30 pm

I spoke recently with a buddy who is an assistant principal in the New York City public school system. Though the department of education hasn't formally released a plan yet, he gave me a sneak preview of what will likely happen.

Each school building will get a numerical cap in order to assure that spacing is possible. He said that his school's cap will be about a third of its current combined number of staff/students. As a result, there will be a rotation system or some sorts:
- Either students will attend school once or twice a week, or ...
- Students will be in school one week and then at home for two weeks

Whichever system is adopted, it will be, as Knalds said about New Mexico, a complete fucking mess. To pull this off will require teachers to adjust their teaching for both in-person and remote learning. There will have to be more class sessions and smaller classes than usual, which also mean more work for teachers. So more teachers will be needed. BUT, at the same time, there will be budget cuts (because our idiot mayor and idiot city council won't raise taxes to make up for revenue shortfalls) of somewhere between 3 and 10%. So that would normally mean layoffs. And then consider that some teachers simply won't teach in-person because they are old or have pre-existing conditions or live with someone who does.

And then, of course, there are the parents. High school kids can be left at home during the day. Middle schoolers, too, sometimes. But for the others, parents will have to find child care or stay at home themselves and potentially lose work.

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Post by joachimt » July 4th, 2020, 7:17 pm

We did teach for a few weeks both online and offline with just a part of the students present at school. We chose not to cut classes in pieces, but to let whole classes come to school and divide them in several classrooms and large areas. That worked pretty well actually. So for example on Monday the 4th grade was at school. Then I would have a lesson in three classrooms. I can't give lots of instructions, so they work individually or in groups at assignments and I walk from one classroom to another helping them. The next hour I had to teach 2nd grade, which was at home, so I went to an empty classroom, logged into MS Teams and gave a lesson there. Instructions were mostly done in those online lessons. Each grade was at school once a week. 1st grade twice a week. Now lessons are over. Coming week is reserved for students who have some overdue work to do or have to fill some gaps in their knowledge and skills.
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Post by Knaldskalle » July 4th, 2020, 7:58 pm

Unfortunately, the system here in the US is a little different. For Elementary School (K-5) there's generally 1 teacher per class. So the same teacher has to be present in class and online at the same time, somehow. There are no "extra" teachers to pick up the slack, at least not until you get to "Middle School" (6-8), but even then small schools don't have spare teachers just hanging around. The systems here are built in a way that just makes this sort of thing impossible to implement.

Same thing with the virus and society at large, the US simply doesn't have a social safety net that can handle a pandemic like this and at least 1 of the two major political parties (possibly both) is unwilling to just pay people to stay home until things are better. That's why governors were so busy trying to reopen, so people can get back to work so they can feed their families.

The sad reality is that the whole thing is about to come crashing down around us here in the US. People who were fired in March received special temporary unemployment benefits, but those are set to expire in mid-July and the states are on the verge of bankruptcy, so they can't afford to pay out the regular unemployment benefits either. Mitch McConnell has said that there's no chance that the federal government will extend the special unemployment benefits, so a lot of out of work people are about to have the rug pulled out from under them.

And that's before getting into the whole "no job means no health insurance" in the middle of a fucking pandemic. Every weakness in the American system has been badly exposed by this. I hope it'll lead to some serious systemic changes, but I have serious doubts about it. The Trump administration just want things to go back to "normal" and forget this whole thing ever happened, while Democrats seems to just want to go back to Obama's "normal" while conveniently forgetting that Obama's normal led to the rise of Trump.

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Post by sebby » July 4th, 2020, 8:47 pm

Defund police. Use extra money to hire more teachers. Surely it's not THAT hard, at least in blue areas.

Also, I used to teach. Between the clingy youngsters and the kids who you always have to separate bc they're fighting, there's just no way to regularly maintain a 10ft distance as a teacher. Whole thing is going to end up a clusterfuck and, as usual, we can trace fault back to the GOP. Other countries may be able to get away with some type of school reopening, but it's not going to work in the US without a shitload of people getting sick.

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Post by blocho » July 4th, 2020, 10:11 pm

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Surely it's not THAT hard, at least in blue areas.
It is that hard. New York City just proved it. After a month of constant protests by tens of thousands of New Yorkers, protests in which defunding the police was a main demand (not my preferred option -- I would rather close the police department and start an entirely new one, and also establish an independent prosecutor for police misconduct, and force police to buy their own liability insurance so the city doesn't have to pay to settle the lawsuits when the cops beat somebody up) the mayor and city council passed a budget this week. The mayor claimed that the budget cut $1 billion from the $6 billion NYPD budget. He lied.

First, the actual "sticker" number is $880 million. The mayor rounded up. Second, $400 million of that total is the cost that goes to put safety agents in schools. The new budget shifted that cost from the NYPD to the Department of Education. But it's an illusion. The department of education was already paying that money to the NYPD each year. Several hundred million more of that $880 million figure will supposedly come from cutting the money the police spend on overtime (which was $600 million last year). But the mayor hasn't explained how he will cut overtime, and it's notable that he's mayors have promised for years to cut overtime spending. It's also notable that for the first two weeks of June alone (two weeks when the NYPD flooded the streets with as many cops as possible), police officers collected $115 million in overtime pay.

So what is actually going to get cut? The budget will cut one class of NYPD recruits. That will be about 1,000 police officers. It's notable, however, that another class is scheduled for October, even while the rest of the city government is under a hiring freeze.

Overall, the city expects revenues to fall from $93 billion to $84 billion. The city will draw $4 billion from an emergency fund and cut $5 billion from last year's budget. Education, sanitation, parks, libraries -- it will all get cut. Two items really stood out to me:
- A year-old program to make commuting costs more affordable to the poorest New Yorkers will be cut by a third. The subway/bus costs about $1300 a year for a regular worker. It should be noted that activists worked decades to amass the political will to create this program.
- While much of the NYPD budget remains intact, there will be cuts to a program that enforces parking laws among the police. New York police are infamous for breaking parking laws. Unlike most New Yorkers, they drive to work and usually just park on the sidewalk outside their precinct houses. If these criminal police had to pay parking fees, that alone could raise tens of millions of dollars for the city.

Finally, I should note that not once during the monthlong debate over the budget did I hear a single politician (or a single news source) suggest that the city increase revenues through higher taxes or fees. New York City is one of the richest cities in the world. We have no shortage of billionaires and multimillionaires. But their money is safe. The poorest will suffer instead.

New York is overwhelmingly democratic (and increasingly socialist). Forty-eight of the 51 seats on the City Council are occupied by Democrats. The mayor ran for election on an anti-police platform. But once these timorous, shitty politicians are in power they are just fucking terrified of the police.

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Post by blocho » July 4th, 2020, 10:14 pm

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Then I would have a lesson in three classrooms. I can't give lots of instructions, so they work individually or in groups at assignments and I walk from one classroom to another helping them.
But, you don't leave the kids alone in a classroom, right?

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Post by xianjiro » July 5th, 2020, 3:11 am

jvv wrote:
July 4th, 2020, 12:40 am
Knaldskalle wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 7:13 pm
Cippenham wrote:
July 3rd, 2020, 3:58 pm
Good news a v shaped recovery in the USA 4.8 million jobs created In a June , that is not from the government, that is not what the lame stream media wants to hear, but it’s good for those people now back in work and this will continue.
B.S.
Is firing all your employees and rehiring (some of) them three months later really job creation? Because, that's what I think is most likely happening here.
it is if you're an idiot desperate republican slimeball

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Post by xianjiro » July 5th, 2020, 3:12 am

joachimt wrote:
July 4th, 2020, 5:25 am
I had a meeting at work yesterday about how we will organize things in September when all students can come to school all day, but they have to keep 1.5 m distance from adults. I still have no idea how we will manage this. Teachers can't walk through hallways at the same time as students this way, because there's not enough room. Classrooms are roughly 40 m2 with 30 students, so it's almost impossible to stand in front of the classroom. How can I help students individually if I'm not even allowed to walk through the classroom?
seems like they are still approaching this with the assumption kids are 'safe' edit: should probably be 'immune' since that seems to be the current approach even though kids are dying of CoV-19 as well as younger adults - seems pretty insane to me

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Post by joachimt » July 5th, 2020, 6:57 am

blocho wrote:
July 4th, 2020, 10:14 pm
joachimt wrote:
July 4th, 2020, 7:17 pm
Then I would have a lesson in three classrooms. I can't give lots of instructions, so they work individually or in groups at assignments and I walk from one classroom to another helping them.
But, you don't leave the kids alone in a classroom, right?
Yes, we do. Let's say you have three classrooms next to each other. In each classroom there are 10 kids. You leave the doors open, so you can still hear a bit of what's going on. There are also some spare teachers (mostly gymnastics, because we couldn't teach gym) who walk around to help keep things in order. Mostly because of the smaller groups in classrooms it's not ending up in chaos. I heard one time it went wrong when a class in three classrooms had a lesson from a teacher who had to stay home because of a little flu. There was supposed to be a gymteacher keeping an eye on the class, but due to some communication error there was nobody. So the students logged in to Teams, the teacher started giving his lesson, but the students built a party and nobody listened to the teacher, who had no idea what was going on. :lol: Luckily the classrooms were just a few feet away from the the offices of the management team, so the principal stepped in pretty soon.
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Post by xianjiro » July 5th, 2020, 8:44 am

But I'm guessing things also don't ramp up as quickly with 1/3 the number of kids and especially if they are 1-2 meters apart.

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Post by Knaldskalle » July 5th, 2020, 6:58 pm

blocho wrote:
July 4th, 2020, 10:11 pm
sebby wrote:
July 4th, 2020, 8:47 pm
Surely it's not THAT hard, at least in blue areas.
I would rather close the police department and start an entirely new one,
New York actually has form in that area, did it in 1857. Of course it resulted in the New York City Police Riot where the two police forces, old and new, beat the crap out of each other outside City Hall.

You know, law and order and all that.
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Post by blocho » July 5th, 2020, 7:13 pm

Knaldskalle wrote:
July 5th, 2020, 6:58 pm
blocho wrote:
July 4th, 2020, 10:11 pm
sebby wrote:
July 4th, 2020, 8:47 pm
Surely it's not THAT hard, at least in blue areas.
I would rather close the police department and start an entirely new one,
New York actually has form in that area, did it in 1857. Of course it resulted in the New York City Police Riot where the two police forces, old and new, beat the crap out of each other outside City Hall.

You know, law and order and all that.
Well, would you look at that. I'm accustomed to these modern riots, but I guess the police in New York have been rioting for more than 160 years. What a tradition.

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