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Covid-19 or Worldwide Flu

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Got it?

Yeah, I got it and feel HORRIBLE.
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Yes, I got it, but am doing okay.
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Yes, I had it but have recovered.
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I think I had it, but not sure.
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No, still waiting.
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No, I know I won't get it. Ever.
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What are we talking about? I live under a rock.
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Re: Covid-19 or Worldwide Flu

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Post by Knaldskalle » May 12th, 2020, 5:18 am

Let's also not forget that there are different types of masks. The masks people are encouraged to wear are very different from an N95 (/N100/P95/P100 etc). mask. The latter protects the wearer, the former other people.
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Post by Cippenham » May 12th, 2020, 5:19 am

matthewscott8 wrote:
May 11th, 2020, 10:38 pm
Cippenham wrote:
May 11th, 2020, 6:42 pm
On section 7 annex B they say you are very unlikely to infected by another person if you walk past them in the street yet people behave as if you have the plague.
If you passed someone in the street with plague you'd be even less likely to catch it...

Plus no-one ever said it was likely. We have been looking to reduce R nought from 3 to below 1, and avoiding unnecessary excursions did achieve that. If you go out to town you walk past a lot of people, whilst it's not likely to pass it on to any particular individual, you only have to pass it on once in 3 weeks to get an R nought of 1. You will do that if you're out and about all the time.

Would you have plumped for the 250,000 people dying option?
No I was talking about how people behave. Anyway according to many scientists the imperial college model was flawed and we reached peak deaths on April 8 before the effects of the lockdown and our death rate can be compared to Sweden who did not lockdown so the lockdown has had minimal effect. I have seen a chart supposed to be showing this.

I neither believe this theory as propagated by Peter Hitchens and the lockdown sceptics who include reith lecturer Jonathan Sumption And also scientists like Carl Heneghan, or believe everything the government says but if the sceptics are right they are causing many people to suffer unemployment misery and death from other causes s people are scared to seek treatment.

It’s important to say again I do not agree or disagree with the sceptics but at the same time we should be sceptical of the flawed model of the professor who fro his behaviour did not believe in his own theory fully.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... kdown.html

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk ... ife-1.html

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdown-f ... -giesecke/
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Post by Cippenham » May 12th, 2020, 5:37 am

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11601261/ ... -covid-19/

Could be around 140000 currently Here in Uk have Covid 19 and far far more had it earlier but had mild or no symptoms apparently

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Post by Knaldskalle » May 12th, 2020, 5:58 am

I was writing about the Navajo Nation earlier and how they're screwed in so many ways.

The Washington Post has an article about them now:
Coronavirus has been devastating to the Navajo Nation, and help for a complex fight has been slow.

(Disable javascipt in your browser to read washingtonpost.com.)

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 12th, 2020, 10:09 am

Cippenham wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 5:19 am
matthewscott8 wrote:
May 11th, 2020, 10:38 pm
Cippenham wrote:
May 11th, 2020, 6:42 pm
On section 7 annex B they say you are very unlikely to infected by another person if you walk past them in the street yet people behave as if you have the plague.
If you passed someone in the street with plague you'd be even less likely to catch it...

Plus no-one ever said it was likely. We have been looking to reduce R nought from 3 to below 1, and avoiding unnecessary excursions did achieve that. If you go out to town you walk past a lot of people, whilst it's not likely to pass it on to any particular individual, you only have to pass it on once in 3 weeks to get an R nought of 1. You will do that if you're out and about all the time.

Would you have plumped for the 250,000 people dying option?
No I was talking about how people behave. Anyway according to many scientists the imperial college model was flawed and we reached peak deaths on April 8 before the effects of the lockdown and our death rate can be compared to Sweden who did not lockdown so the lockdown has had minimal effect. I have seen a chart supposed to be showing this.

I neither believe this theory as propagated by Peter Hitchens and the lockdown sceptics who include reith lecturer Jonathan Sumption And also scientists like Carl Heneghan, or believe everything the government says but if the sceptics are right they are causing many people to suffer unemployment misery and death from other causes s people are scared to seek treatment.

It’s important to say again I do not agree or disagree with the sceptics but at the same time we should be sceptical of the flawed model of the professor who fro his behaviour did not believe in his own theory fully.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... kdown.html

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk ... ife-1.html

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdown-f ... -giesecke/
I was talking about behaviour too, exactly why is it inappropriate for people to behave as if a passerby has plague?

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Post by Cippenham » May 12th, 2020, 10:18 am

Because its over reaction .

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Post by AdamH » May 12th, 2020, 10:20 am

Let's not go down the "over reaction" route. More people have died here than in anywhere else in Europe. Hundreds are still dying every day. The problem is that some people have not been reacting enough to how serious this situation is, not that people are overreacting!

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 12th, 2020, 11:41 am

Cipp, staying 2 metres part from passersby and having face masks is eminently sensible and doesn't affect your stated concern, the issue of unemployment and recession.

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » May 12th, 2020, 1:19 pm

Cipp is right this is overblown. This is a seasonal flu with fake death numbers.

Everyone touch your face! Cough at each other! Have sex! It makes your immune system stronger!

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Post by Cippenham » May 12th, 2020, 2:10 pm

There is some evidence social distancing is not very effective apparently. But anyway i am not a lockdown sceptic but find their arguments interesting. I think it will become clear if they are right later on.

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Post by OldAle1 » May 12th, 2020, 2:13 pm

Pretentious Hipster wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 1:19 pm
Cipp is right this is overblown. This is a seasonal flu with fake death numbers.

Everyone touch your face! Cough at each other! Have sex! It makes your immune system stronger!
Absolutely! I don't personally know anybody who has it, so it's clearly fake, just like the moon landing - I didn't see it, so it doesn't exist. This is the way we all should think about all "facts".

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 12th, 2020, 2:18 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 2:13 pm
Pretentious Hipster wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 1:19 pm
Cipp is right this is overblown. This is a seasonal flu with fake death numbers.

Everyone touch your face! Cough at each other! Have sex! It makes your immune system stronger!
Absolutely! I don't personally know anybody who has it, so it's clearly fake, just like the moon landing - I didn't see it, so it doesn't exist. This is the way we all should think about all "facts".
Now now, there's nothing wrong with facts... as long as they're alternative facts.

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Post by Cippenham » May 12th, 2020, 3:57 pm

I have a cousin who had it, I have been told someone at work had it but I will be working at home for some time now. So not affected by that. Alternative thoughts are useful , this guy actually knows what he is talking about as he is an epidemiologist. I have no idea if he is right or not. But he is a scientist not interested in politics, just looking at facts.

https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/05/01/ ... e-effects/

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 12th, 2020, 4:33 pm

Cippenham wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 3:57 pm
I have a cousin who had it, I have been told someone at work had it but I will be working at home for some time now. So not affected by that. Alternative thoughts are useful , this guy actually knows what he is talking about as he is an epidemiologist. I have no idea if he is right or not. But he is a scientist not interested in politics, just looking at facts.

https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/05/01/ ... e-effects/
Gotta be honest Cipp you've got form for finding oddball "experts" at the fringe who propose quacky ideas. This is the same crap you come up with for climate change. You form a view then scour the internet for a crackpot who supports it. It's simply not the way thinking is done.

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Post by RogerTheMovieManiac88 » May 12th, 2020, 6:59 pm

Thanks for that interview with Dr. Wittkowski, Cippenham.

Always good to hear interesting analysis, particularly from a professional and questioning perspective.
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Post by xianjiro » May 13th, 2020, 5:13 am

local data is suggesting it take people about three weeks to recover on average - recovery is considered when the patient has had a fever or cough (nor used suppressing medications) for a 72 hour period

wonder how businesses will like losing half their workforce for three weeks

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Post by Cippenham » May 13th, 2020, 5:53 am

matthewscott8 wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 4:33 pm
Cippenham wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 3:57 pm
I have a cousin who had it, I have been told someone at work had it but I will be working at home for some time now. So not affected by that. Alternative thoughts are useful , this guy actually knows what he is talking about as he is an epidemiologist. I have no idea if he is right or not. But he is a scientist not interested in politics, just looking at facts.

https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/05/01/ ... e-effects/
Gotta be honest Cipp you've got form for finding oddball "experts" at the fringe who propose quacky ideas. This is the same crap you come up with for climate change. You form a view then scour the internet for a crackpot who supports it. It's simply not the way thinking is done.
Are you kidding, the whole idea of lockdown is apparently based on a faulty model from a scientist with bad form, and based on the WHO who of course supported the Chinese lockdown that became the default response. Now we do have a scientific control proving the imperial college model is wrong as Swedish scientists put their data in and it predicted a death toll ten times over what it has been if they didn’t have a lockdown and on that basis their 250000 estimate for the uk with no lockdown was wildly wrong and the Boris panic of NHS being overwhelmed were based on this.

As for climate change that is obviously based on failed modelling but is harder to prove . For Covid the Swedish control seems to prove the imperial college model wrong. You say crackpot theory, but Neil Ferguson has been proved to be the one with the crackpot theory. Of course South Africa has a lockdown based on this and they shoot people who break the lockdown, Kim Jong Un would be proud.
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Post by Cippenham » May 13th, 2020, 6:00 am

In addition consider the disaster effect of the lockdown on public physical and mental health, people are not seeking treatment. I am usually always positive and ebullient but even I have felt a bit down some days but beat it by being busy and focusing on something.

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Post by Cippenham » May 13th, 2020, 7:06 am

If bored listen to podcasts, try Al Murray and his entertainment history of world war 2, we have ways of making you talk. Also well done guys on here doing a podcast, congrats I listened to it.

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Post by sebby » May 13th, 2020, 7:38 am

Quarantine works for pandemics. It has always worked for pandemics. It always will work for pandemics.

Stop. Talking. Shit.

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Post by Cippenham » May 13th, 2020, 7:52 am

Its not a pandemic the death rate is too low . There has never in our history been a lockdown like this, i am saying the vulnerable should be protected and testing And tracingshould have been More but locking down the fit And healthy probably an error

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 13th, 2020, 7:54 am

Cippenham wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 5:53 am
matthewscott8 wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 4:33 pm
Cippenham wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 3:57 pm
I have a cousin who had it, I have been told someone at work had it but I will be working at home for some time now. So not affected by that. Alternative thoughts are useful , this guy actually knows what he is talking about as he is an epidemiologist. I have no idea if he is right or not. But he is a scientist not interested in politics, just looking at facts.

https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/05/01/ ... e-effects/
Gotta be honest Cipp you've got form for finding oddball "experts" at the fringe who propose quacky ideas. This is the same crap you come up with for climate change. You form a view then scour the internet for a crackpot who supports it. It's simply not the way thinking is done.
Are you kidding, the whole idea of lockdown is apparently based on a faulty model from a scientist with bad form, and based on the WHO who of course supported the Chinese lockdown that became the default response. Now we do have a scientific control proving the imperial college model is wrong as Swedish scientists put their data in and it predicted a death toll ten times over what it has been if they didn’t have a lockdown and on that basis their 250000 estimate for the uk with no lockdown was wildly wrong and the Boris panic of NHS being overwhelmed were based on this.

As for climate change that is obviously based on failed modelling but is harder to prove . For Covid the Swedish control seems to prove the imperial college model wrong. You say crackpot theory, but Neil Ferguson has been proved to be the one with the crackpot theory. Of course South Africa has a lockdown based on this and they shoot people who break the lockdown, Kim Jong Un would be proud.
Cipp Sweden is not a control :facepalm: they are practicing social distancing, many are self quarantining. They have an advice driven model because people there are sensible and trust the government.

Do you really need to be told that a virus like this is dangerous. Is that how far your denial of reality has gone. Is being a contrarian more important to you than staying alive? Yes different scientists have different models but for fuck's sake squire that doesnt stop it being a deadly virus. The way you argue is what spin doctors do to get their politicians elected or lawyers to get their scumbag clients off. Throw doubt on everything, obfuscate, distract. But unless I'm much mistaken this doesn't actually get you anywhere on this forum

The UK death rate has doubled despite us being lockeddown are you really not concerned about what happens with the let it rip strategy????

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Post by mightysparks » May 13th, 2020, 8:50 am

If it seems like an overreaction, it’s because quarantine is working.
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » May 13th, 2020, 9:39 am

If people and governments weren't cowards we could have done real complete quarantines in February and tens of thousands fewer people would have died and we'd all be back to normal. But capitalism demands a "balance" of economic and humanitarian interests which ends up worse for everyone.

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Post by brokenface » May 13th, 2020, 10:19 am

Cippenham wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 3:57 pm
I have a cousin who had it, I have been told someone at work had it but I will be working at home for some time now. So not affected by that. Alternative thoughts are useful , this guy actually knows what he is talking about as he is an epidemiologist. I have no idea if he is right or not. But he is a scientist not interested in politics, just looking at facts.

https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/05/01/ ... e-effects/
He mentions Belarus at one point as an example of well-managed because no restrictions. I was looking at the figures for different countries yesterday. Have to say Belarus stands out as some very, very questionable death figures:
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day month year cases deaths countriesAndTerritories
12 5 2020 933 4 Belarus
11 5 2020 921 5 Belarus
10 5 2020 951 5 Belarus
9 5 2020 933 5 Belarus
8 5 2020 913 4 Belarus
7 5 2020 905 5 Belarus
6 5 2020 861 4 Belarus
5 5 2020 784 4 Belarus
4 5 2020 877 2 Belarus
3 5 2020 911 4 Belarus
2 5 2020 890 4 Belarus
1 5 2020 846 5 Belarus
30 4 2020 973 5 Belarus
29 4 2020 919 4 Belarus
28 4 2020 826 3 Belarus
27 4 2020 873 5 Belarus
26 4 2020 817 4 Belarus
25 4 2020 751 3 Belarus
24 4 2020 741 2 Belarus
23 4 2020 558 3 Belarus
22 4 2020 459 4 Belarus
21 4 2020 1485 4 Belarus
20 4 2020 0 2 Belarus
19 4 2020 0 3 Belarus
18 4 2020 575 2 Belarus
17 4 2020 476 4 Belarus
16 4 2020 447 3 Belarus
15 4 2020 362 4 Belarus
14 4 2020 341 3 Belarus
13 4 2020 352 3 Belarus
12 4 2020 245 4 Belarus
11 4 2020 495 3 Belarus
10 4 2020 420 3 Belarus
9 4 2020 205 0 Belarus
8 4 2020 161 0 Belarus
7 4 2020 136 5 Belarus
6 4 2020 170 3 Belarus
5 4 2020 43 1 Belarus
4 4 2020 97 0 Belarus
3 4 2020 102 4 Belarus
2 4 2020 0 0 Belarus
1 4 2020 47 0 Belarus
31 3 2020 11 0 Belarus
30 3 2020 0 0 Belarus
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21 3 2020 0 0 Belarus
20 3 2020 11 0 Belarus
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31 12 2019 0 0 Belarus

They're reporting 500-1000 cases a day the last 3 weeks or so and not on one single day have they reported more than 5 deaths. Hmm..

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Post by Cippenham » May 13th, 2020, 10:37 am

xianjiro wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 5:13 am
local data is suggesting it take people about three weeks to recover on average - recovery is considered when the patient has had a fever or cough (nor used suppressing medications) for a 72 hour period

wonder how businesses will like losing half their workforce for three weeks
With the lockdown many have been put on furlough for weeks and maybe months

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Post by OldAle1 » May 13th, 2020, 11:24 am

sebby wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 7:38 am
Quarantine works for pandemics. It has always worked for pandemics. It always will work for pandemics.

Stop. Talking. Shit.
People finally for the most part stopped interacting with his fake facts on the political forums - or just stopped posting there much - so he has to do it here. Typical troll tactic, happened quite a lot on IMDb, one forum would stop bothering with a troll so it would move on to another and do the same old shit. Of course this is a much smaller group so it's not going to work exactly the same.

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Post by OldAle1 » May 13th, 2020, 3:16 pm

Interesting little tidbit I just came across - it SHOULDN'T be a tidbit given it's bearing on what Dear Leader is doing today, but I really haven't seen it mentioned much. Seems that one Frederick Trump, German-born draft-dodger, whoremonger, and would-be real-estate tycoon, actually died of the 1918 influenza outbreak, the day after he fell suddenly sick.

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Post by Knaldskalle » May 13th, 2020, 10:23 pm

In all this misery, here's a little bit of heart-warming news:

The Irish are repaying a favor from 173 years ago in Native Americans’ fight against coronavirus

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Native Americans make up 11% of the population here in New Mexico, yet make up 47% of all Covid-19 cases in the state. They need all the help they can get.
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Post by OldAle1 » May 14th, 2020, 9:47 pm

Clearly we dodged a bullet by not electing Hillary! More good news from Our Greatest Leader Ever every day! I'm going to go read some of his greatest Twitter hits now to make myself feel even better.

Meanwhile nobody around here is wearing masks except where they have to, and that only grudgingly I suspect. Two of the maintenance guys in my apartment building were out driving one of their carts today - no masks. I guess they could be brothers or lovers and living together but somehow I doubt it. People across the hall from me have people in and out of their apartment all the time - lots of young kids, at least two adult men and one adult woman - no masks, ever, and no social distancing.

Yeah it's going to be a long, sad summer.

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Post by xianjiro » May 15th, 2020, 1:54 am

While I suspect the reason I don't get why some people aren't getting it (well under half of the shoppers Tuesday night at the grocery store wore masks while the Asian market requires them for everyone) is that I don't spend any time on social media, Fox or Breitbart, or other channels for spreading conspiracy theories, it's hard to say that's the main reason. Clearly people do what they do for any number of reasons.

But given the age we're living through, the woman standing in the grocery store, coughing, without a face covering or even attempting to cover her cough, just makes me agree with you OldAle. I'm also waiting to see how I feel over the next few days even if wearing a cloth mask and not touching anything near where she was: I just don't know if the viral particles dropped to the ground, hung in the air, etc.

The metro area isn't anywhere near meeting the state's guidance for reopening, especially when viewed as a group and not individual counties. But as people continue to complain of cabin fever and some businesses try to reopen, it will be interesting to see what happens to the stats. But honestly, it's still up to us to protect ourselves - our fellow citizens aren't always reliable and may view the world in quite a different way.

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Post by blocho » May 15th, 2020, 3:58 am

I know this moves away from the coronavirus topic and towards politics, which is not what this thread is about. But thinking more and more about the impact of the virus on voting (in addition to all the other bullshit going on), I just can't imagine our election this fall not provoking a constitutional crisis. And not just a run-of-the-mill constitutional crisis like those that have become so common in recent years. I'm talking about something that includes violence.

Then again, I'm infamous among my friends for my pessimism.

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Post by xianjiro » May 15th, 2020, 4:52 am

It's okay to feel pessimistic especially when bad things are happening to people and it feels pretty random. I too agree that CoV-19 will impact the election, but exactly how remains to be seen. Clearly some news reports about the CA congressional results shows worry: could Ds be vulnerable? If so why? And given that Ds are hoping that Rs will be more vulnerable due to the CoV-19 response ... So yeah, it's going to be hard to keep some politics (especially from those of us who follow politics rather closely) from spilling over. But my hope is the foremost in posters' comments is dealing with the impact of the virus and not promoting a political agenda, but even that's a fine line. Clearly my pointing out that 7 out of the 10 on the total confirmed cases list today are conservative or nationalist governments sits very close if not on top of that line. Pointing such things out is one thing: harping ceaselessly about it would be another.

I guess the real question is what form do you fear the constitutional crisis to take? While I'm certain something will come along, I'm unwilling to predict, especially this early in the game. As I've said, the Great Experiment has begun, and a lot will hinge on the perceptions to how successful or catastrophic the results are perceived to be. And clearly people who've lost loved one's and people who've lost jobs or businesses might both be equally upset but for different reasons and thus will behave differently when the election nears. I suspect incumbents to suffer a bit more than in a more usual election cycle, though what constituents 'usual' these days is open to debate as well. At this point and probably well through October if not into the first week of November (or longer depending how shit plays out) I'm going to be unwilling to concede there are even eggs in the basket let alone try to count them!

And of course the big unknown is what will happen in the fall with the virus, especially if infections remain manageable during the summer due to continued social distancing etc.

So many unknowns at this point make it impossible to feel optimistic as far as I'm concerned. ;)

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Post by Knaldskalle » May 15th, 2020, 5:32 am

The city I live in has a requirement that all retail customers wear a mask, by order of the mayor. The mayor is also a doctor, that might have something to do with it.
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Post by mightysparks » May 15th, 2020, 5:47 am

Everything’s starting to open back up here. Shop’s are pretty busy, only saw one person with a mask when we were out just now. I think next week most places will be open again.

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Post by kongs_speech » May 15th, 2020, 5:53 am

I overheard part of my parents' phone conversation today, and my dad was whining about how this whole thing is a plot to keep Trump from getting re-elected and make America socialist, and how everything must be reopened. Just a week ago when I talked to him, he was taking the pandemic seriously. It's amazing how easily he can be influenced by propaganda. Yet I know a lot about politics, and he won't listen to a fucking word I say.
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Post by Cippenham » May 15th, 2020, 6:12 am

Looks like 19 million already had the virus in the uk, we have a 100 percent success antibody test coming to see if you had it and a vaccine may be ready this summer. All good news. I do not necessarily oppose the lockdown, what do I know. I just look at the sceptics arguments with some sympathy. If they are right then there is a massive cost for a wrong policy. I do think there is a strong case for the imperial college model based on 13 year old code to be wrong and that using Swedish data proves the model massively overestimated the number of deaths without a lockdown. But that remains open to be proved . The trouble is 95 per cent go along with the government regardless of the scientific proof. Because they feel safe in the lockdown, simple as that. I am not a troll on this subject as I am trying to present a balanced argument.

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Post by xianjiro » May 15th, 2020, 7:04 am

Knaldskalle wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 5:32 am
The city I live in has a requirement that all retail customers wear a mask, by order of the mayor. The mayor is also a doctor, that might have something to do with it.
yeah, unless you were in Wisconsin where it would probably be ruled a gross overreach of power :P

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Post by xianjiro » May 15th, 2020, 7:07 am

mightysparks wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 5:47 am
Everything’s starting to open back up here. Shop’s are pretty busy, only saw one person with a mask when we were out just now. I think next week most places will be open again.

My crazy conspiracy nan believes this has all been an experiment in social engineering, and the government is lying to us about everything.
back in the early 80s those same crazy conspiracy nans thought the Russian were controlling the weather to cause famines and destabilize their opponents in the Cold War. While the conspiracy theories might change, crazy nans, not so much. :(

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