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Got it?

Yeah, I got it and feel HORRIBLE.
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Yes, I got it, but am doing okay.
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Yes, I had it but have recovered.
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I think I had it, but not sure.
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No, still waiting.
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No, I know I won't get it. Ever.
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I got vaccinated!
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What are we talking about? I live under a rock.
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speaking of Australia & Japan - interesting keeping tabs on the Australian Open lead in (tennis for those who don't track sports). For a country that's kept CoV under such strict control (especially when compared to other places), seems like a pretty good idea of what could be expected to happen if they do try to run the Tokyo Olympics. I'm thinking the best hope for a games is a requirement everyone traveling to Japan have received their complete vaccine regimen a couple weeks before boarding the plane. Failing that, the only other choice will be regular and constant testing. While I don't see how they can require 10s of thousands of athletes, coaches, and other support staff to wait in their rooms until they test negative, it's sure going to be heartbreaking for contenders who do have a positive test for the virus: just can't imagine they'll be allowed to compete.

But with what @weirdboy has said about no vaccinations yet, I can't imagine how they'll get the locals vaccinated before people start arriving for the games in June and July. I know no one wants to admit defeat just yet, but it's certainly looking like Covid has the advantage over IOC/TOCOG. Just wondering how long before it's game, set, and match.
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How did the Perth guard catch it? It seems nigh impossible with Australian measures.
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Armoreska wrote: February 5th, 2021, 8:36 pm How did the Perth guard catch it? It seems nigh impossible with Australian measures.
Quarantine hotel.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... kdown.html
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There have been zero cases since this started and restrictions are set to be lifted on Sunday assuming none appear over the next 24 hours. It’s been weird having to wear a mask/see everyone else wearing them and I’ll be glad to not have to anymore even though I don’t go out much. I can see why people complain about struggling to breathe as it’s made me a bit dizzy at times and the face sweat is horrible.
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No offense but hearing someone complain about masks and like a 2 week lockdown screams entitlement.
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:/ I was just saying that after hearing about mask complaints for a year and finally getting a taste I can kind of, but not fully, understand how it must be for those who have had to do it for all this time. Sorry I live in a city that hasn’t really experienced COVID to its full extent.
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Tbf you get used to it. When I work a full time shift I wear one for maybe 12 hours straight. It only affects me now when I'm out of breath from running for the bus or something.
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I see there is only 1 person (on the poll) to get the vaccine: how did you feel after the 2nd shot?
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peeptoad wrote: February 12th, 2021, 4:58 pm I see there is only 1 person (on the poll) to get the vaccine: how did you feel after the 2nd shot?
Chills for a few days. The first night was the worst when I was shivering, but having a blanket on me felt too hot.
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Good to know, thanks. That seems to be a relatively "normal" experience after the 2nd dose. We were discussing this earlier at work since we're getting close to en masse vaccination and are trying to avoid having a bunch of people call out sick at the same time following the 2nd.
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I got dose 1, UK is doing the 12 week thing so won't get dose 2 til April. very minimal effects from that. Have heard anecdotally that people who had Covid (work in a hospital so quite a few had) and then got the vaccine got the more side effects from dose 1, which is probably expected.
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peeptoad wrote: February 12th, 2021, 5:35 pm Good to know, thanks. That seems to be a relatively "normal" experience after the 2nd dose. We were discussing this earlier at work since we're getting close to en masse vaccination and are trying to avoid having a bunch of people call out sick at the same time following the 2nd.
Yep. Work didn't plan this at all. It was complete chaos. It didn't help though that my city would run out of vaccines at least once a week and had to reschedule everyone's appointments.
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I got first vaccination, no side effects and as in the UK the second is in April after 11 weeks.
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I found two things helped with the perception that I couldn't breath as well while masked: 1) slow down - it was easy to feel urgency to get out of the store and therefore rush. I'm not able to say how much oxygen I was or wasn't getting, but there certainly was a perception and maybe it's something of a trigger that reminds me of asthma or something. But taking it slow and easy has made it much easier to get used to wearing a mask and I don't even have to wear one more than a few hours a month since I'm mostly home or outside for a brief walk.

2) I tried washing my masks by hand initially and just couldn't get the soap out well enough. The combination of scent and probably chemical residue was irritating. I don't notice this after using even our relatively worthless washing machine, but it also might have something to do with the soap. I'm pretty sure what I have left in the apartment was a more 'normal' detergent and now in the laundry room I try to keep "fragrance free" type stuff.
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Outbreak at work lol. Second time now, but 79% of staff have received both doses, and the seniors got their first dose on Wednesday, so it should be ok.
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That may well not be enough time from first dose to protect them. Worrying to get an outbreak a few days after vaccinations as it makes it sound like the process of vaccinating may have been how it spread?
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brokenface wrote: February 13th, 2021, 8:26 am That may well not be enough time from first dose to protect them. Worrying to get an outbreak a few days after vaccinations as it makes it sound like the process of vaccinating may have been how it spread?
I'd be curious to know if the employee who tested positive received the vaccine or not. They won't even indulge us on which department the employee was from though, which I think should be known.

I'm more worried now because I never gotten a face shield since the dishwashers and cooks didn't need them. I know that employers must provide PPE to their employees, but I think they made the employees pay for theirs. With the government coming in tomorrow and me not having one this should be interesting...
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Turns out employees do pay for it until we fought back.

To show how effective the vaccine is: the person who tested positive did not get vaccinated. She still lives with her family. Her younger brother works here to, but he was vaccinated. He tested negative. He is obviously self isolating now, but this was a surprise.
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we had four cases this past week of people who'd been fully-vaccinated testing positive for the virus. Now sure anyone's fully teased this apart yet - are they different variants, for example, or what was the timeline - but this doesn't come as a surprise.
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Isn't it possible that a positive test could be a false positive because of the vaccine itself? Or it's picking up something from a previous infection?

Were these four people actually ill? Did they have symptoms?
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don't have the answers to those questions, I'm afraid. But I'd say much of anything's possible. I also wonder how long after their second dose did they test positive and why test anyway? Maybe they work in a place with mandatory weekly testing or something.

here's the link to the article: https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2021/02 ... ation.html
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These vaccines themselves can't cause false positive i don't think because they only have a small part of the virus sequence.

Vaccines in general cannot stop a virus getting in your body if you are exposed to an infectious person, but should mean you have antibodies to deal with it much quicker than otherwise if it does.

There will be more cases like this, more and more as more people are vaccinated, but it's not unexpected or particularly worrying, unless we start finding that there's a particular variant which is consistently able to cause severe cases in fully vaccinated people.
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Agreed. I see this as a condition of the never-ending reporting on pretty much every facet of the pandemic. Honestly, the article is poorly sourced with more telling of what isn't known that what is known. However, if people have a discussion, ask critical questions, and share good information like we have done, then it serves a purpose.

I had reacted to "false positive" a bit differently since, for example, I will always test positive for TB if someone decides to test me again since I've had the most preliminary stages of the disease (and completed treatment successfully). So while I agree that it's improbable that the vaccines in current use in the States would cause a positive test result, I don't see any information on the kind of test that generated the positive result: are they testing for actual presence of the virus (nasal swabs if I understand correctly) or antibodies? This would make a world of difference in addressing the issues raised. Additionally, false positives have been an issue with Covid testing in general though I don't know where that all stands at this point. So that's what I thought about when @blocho asked about false positives.

The article is also telling because it plays on the expectation - and even used the phrase "breakthrough cases" - that once vaccinated, one is free of disease and this is clearly a common expectation. We get the measles vaccine so we won't get measles, right? Now I'm not so certain and will admit that I just get my vaccinations without asking too much about the specifics because in general I see the end as justifying the means and attendant risks.

Not sure that the populace understands that just getting the vaccine isn't a ticket to a return to life as we knew it back in 2019. And then there will be the constant issue of variants ...
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I would generally assume testing is referring to PCR testing of a swab for presence of virus (i.e. a current infection), unless stated otherwise. You'd be expected to be positive in some, but not necessarily all, antibody tests after vaccination as that is what the vaccine is meant to do.

Yeah I don't think there's been particularly good messaging in general to manage vaccine expectations. The problem is it's quite nuanced and media etc likes a very simple message and a binary view (idea that either you are 100% protected or 0%, or something is either perfect or useless).

I am optimistic that vaccines (in combination with some measures like masks ongoing for a while) will take us back to something close to normal, with Covid reduced to something that affects society on a similar level to flu, but it'll take time and happen at different rates in different countries depending on access to vaccine and current spread of the virus, and particular variants.
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so, it appears that there are 118 requests (in Portland) for every vaccination appointment.
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