Welcome to the ICM Forum. If you have an account but have trouble logging in, or have other questions, see THIS THREAD.
Polls: Directors (Results), 2019 (Results), Mini-series (Feb 29th), 2009 awards (Mar 3rd), Favorite Movies (Mar 21st), Doubling the Canon (Mar ??)
Challenges: Academy Awards, Africa, African American/Blaxploitation
Film of the Week: Doa al karawan, March nominations (Feb 28th)
World Cup S4: Round 1 schedule, 1D: Australia vs Hungary vs Portugal vs Tajikistan (Mar 1st), 1E: Czechia vs France vs Georgia vs Mexico (Mar 18th)

Weinstein, Spacey, etc.

Post Reply
Hunziker
Donator
Posts: 1180
Joined: Nov 03, 2014
Location: Mexico City, Mexico
Contact:

Weinstein, Spacey, etc.

#201

Post by Hunziker » December 17th, 2017, 5:17 am

This is the voice of world control.

iCM -Twitter
ImageImage

User avatar
xianjiro
Donator
Posts: 7072
Joined: Jun 17, 2015
Location: Kakistani Left Coast
Contact:

#202

Post by xianjiro » December 17th, 2017, 11:56 am

given the rate it's going, soon it will be easier to tell us which movies to watch because they are 'abuser free'

:P

Listen, Daddy. Teacher says, 'every time a car alarm bleeps, into heaven a demon sneaks.'
sol can find me here

User avatar
maxwelldeux
Donator
Posts: 7667
Joined: Jun 07, 2016
Location: Seattle-ish, WA, USA
Contact:

#203

Post by maxwelldeux » December 18th, 2017, 8:41 am

Heh. So I got one of those "Top lists update" messages on ICM. Glancing through it, blah blah blah, some minor changes at the bottom of the lists, totally expected - WAIT - "American Beauty" fell off the Romance list from #7? WFT?!?

About 2 minutes later, it dawned on me - "Oh... that's why."

Hunziker
Donator
Posts: 1180
Joined: Nov 03, 2014
Location: Mexico City, Mexico
Contact:

#204

Post by Hunziker » December 18th, 2017, 5:31 pm

maxwelldeux on Dec 18 2017, 01:41:14 AM wrote:Heh. So I got one of those "Top lists update" messages on ICM. Glancing through it, blah blah blah, some minor changes at the bottom of the lists, totally expected - WAIT - "American Beauty" fell off the Romance list from #7? WFT?!?

About 2 minutes later, it dawned on me - "Oh... that's why."
Man, I hadn't even thought of that movie. It's freaking creepy now :/
This is the voice of world control.

iCM -Twitter
ImageImage

User avatar
OldAle1
Donator
Posts: 3917
Joined: Feb 09, 2017
Location: Dairyland, USA
Contact:

#205

Post by OldAle1 » December 18th, 2017, 5:36 pm

Hunziker on Dec 18 2017, 10:31:14 AM wrote:
maxwelldeux on Dec 18 2017, 01:41:14 AM wrote:Heh. So I got one of those "Top lists update" messages on ICM. Glancing through it, blah blah blah, some minor changes at the bottom of the lists, totally expected - WAIT - "American Beauty" fell off the Romance list from #7? WFT?!?

About 2 minutes later, it dawned on me - "Oh... that's why."
Man, I hadn't even thought of that movie. It's freaking creepy now :/
This is interesting, and it reminds me that - being a regular user of thrift stores like Goodwill and Salvation Army - I'm seeing an awful lot of used copies of Spacey movies these days.
Here's to the fools who dream.

User avatar
RBG
Posts: 6178
Joined: Feb 13, 2016
Location: desert usa
Contact:

#206

Post by RBG » December 18th, 2017, 6:07 pm

Hunziker on Dec 18 2017, 10:31:14 AM wrote:
maxwelldeux on Dec 18 2017, 01:41:14 AM wrote:Heh. So I got one of those "Top lists update" messages on ICM. Glancing through it, blah blah blah, some minor changes at the bottom of the lists, totally expected - WAIT - "American Beauty" fell off the Romance list from #7? WFT?!?

About 2 minutes later, it dawned on me - "Oh... that's why."
Man, I hadn't even thought of that movie. It's freaking creepy now :/
it was always fucking creepy :huh:
icm + ltbxd

NO GODS NO MASTERS

User avatar
Pretentious Hipster
Donator
Posts: 19600
Joined: Oct 24, 2011
Contact:

#207

Post by Pretentious Hipster » December 19th, 2017, 2:10 am

My father didn’t have the skill of a professional cameraman. The result? Avant-garde cinema.

User avatar
fori
Posts: 1267
Joined: Aug 24, 2014
Contact:

#208

Post by fori » December 19th, 2017, 2:20 am

XxXApathy420XxX on Dec 18 2017, 07:10:31 PM wrote:Even arthouse directors do it https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ ... or-1060179
Saw this earlier today, hits hard because I used to be a really big fan of his 90s work. Always feels like the people you respect won't stoop that low. ugghhh

User avatar
sebby
Posts: 6131
Joined: Jul 04, 2011
Contact:

#209

Post by sebby » December 19th, 2017, 2:30 am

fori on Dec 18 2017, 07:20:53 PM wrote:
XxXApathy420XxX on Dec 18 2017, 07:10:31 PM wrote:Even arthouse directors do it https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ ... or-1060179
Saw this earlier today, hits hard because I used to be a really big fan of his 90s work. Always feels like the people you respect won't stoop that low. ugghhh
When I was a child I looked up to and respected church elders, policemen, the president, movie stars, and star athletes.

Uh, whoops :whistling:

These days I just assume everyone is a piece of shit. If they turn out not to be, well then that's a nice little surprise.

User avatar
Knaldskalle
Moderator
Posts: 9652
Joined: May 09, 2011
Location: New Mexico, Trumpistan
Contact:

#210

Post by Knaldskalle » December 19th, 2017, 10:12 pm

sebby on Dec 18 2017, 07:30:42 PM wrote:These days I just assume everyone is a piece of shit. If they turn out not to be, well then that's a nice little surprise.
We seem to be approaching a state where that is indeed the safest stance. Fun times ahead. <_<
ImageImageImageImage

Please don't hurt yourself, talk to someone.

User avatar
OldAle1
Donator
Posts: 3917
Joined: Feb 09, 2017
Location: Dairyland, USA
Contact:

#211

Post by OldAle1 » December 20th, 2017, 6:01 pm

A little Off-this-Off-Topic but related: Cardinal Bernard Francis Law, a central figure in another recent Powerful Men Fucking the Less Powerful Scandal, the Catholic Church's sex abuse scandal as it first came to light in Boston, where Law was then Archbishop, has died in Rome, where he was allowed to lead out his post-scandal life in comfort rather than in the hard labor in prison without parole that he deserved. I wish I believed in an everlasting hell for unremittingly inhuman monsters like him and the hundreds of other "religious leaders" who have similarly abused their positions, but the hell is for those of us who still have to live under the irrational systems built thousands of years ago to control the weak and poor, and which we in the 21st century still seem for the most part uninterested in casting off.

RIP to a Piece of Shit excuse for a human
Here's to the fools who dream.

User avatar
xianjiro
Donator
Posts: 7072
Joined: Jun 17, 2015
Location: Kakistani Left Coast
Contact:

#212

Post by xianjiro » December 20th, 2017, 9:12 pm

OldAle1 on Dec 20 2017, 11:01:20 AM wrote:A little Off-this-Off-Topic but related: Cardinal Bernard Francis Law, a central figure in another recent Powerful Men Fucking the Less Powerful Scandal, the Catholic Church's sex abuse scandal as it first came to light in Boston, where Law was then Archbishop, has died in Rome, where he was allowed to lead out his post-scandal life in comfort rather than in the hard labor in prison without parole that he deserved. I wish I believed in an everlasting hell for unremittingly inhuman monsters like him and the hundreds of other "religious leaders" who have similarly abused their positions, but the hell is for those of us who still have to live under the irrational systems built thousands of years ago to control the weak and poor, and which we in the 21st century still seem for the most part uninterested in casting off.

RIP to a Piece of Shit excuse for a human
Amen!

Listen, Daddy. Teacher says, 'every time a car alarm bleeps, into heaven a demon sneaks.'
sol can find me here

User avatar
maxwelldeux
Donator
Posts: 7667
Joined: Jun 07, 2016
Location: Seattle-ish, WA, USA
Contact:

#213

Post by maxwelldeux » December 20th, 2017, 10:50 pm

xianjiro on Dec 20 2017, 02:12:01 PM wrote:
OldAle1 on Dec 20 2017, 11:01:20 AM wrote:A little Off-this-Off-Topic but related: Cardinal Bernard Francis Law, a central figure in another recent Powerful Men Fucking the Less Powerful Scandal, the Catholic Church's sex abuse scandal as it first came to light in Boston, where Law was then Archbishop, has died in Rome, where he was allowed to lead out his post-scandal life in comfort rather than in the hard labor in prison without parole that he deserved. I wish I believed in an everlasting hell for unremittingly inhuman monsters like him and the hundreds of other "religious leaders" who have similarly abused their positions, but the hell is for those of us who still have to live under the irrational systems built thousands of years ago to control the weak and poor, and which we in the 21st century still seem for the most part uninterested in casting off.

RIP to a Piece of Shit excuse for a human
Amen!
I'll echo xianjiro's well-spoken brevity...

I grew up in Catholic schools in one of the diocese where there were many, many claims. Fortunately, I never had to deal with this myself. But it's telling when they have letters in legal-speak notifying people of the last day they can file a claim. I received the following letter about 12 years ago (edited out identifying bits).
The LetterShow
Image

User avatar
xianjiro
Donator
Posts: 7072
Joined: Jun 17, 2015
Location: Kakistani Left Coast
Contact:

#214

Post by xianjiro » December 20th, 2017, 11:15 pm

If there were a god, the first responsibility of said deity should be protecting us from the congregation of followers.

Listen, Daddy. Teacher says, 'every time a car alarm bleeps, into heaven a demon sneaks.'
sol can find me here

User avatar
RBG
Posts: 6178
Joined: Feb 13, 2016
Location: desert usa
Contact:

#215

Post by RBG » December 21st, 2017, 10:29 pm




The Bad and the Beautiful (1952); A Star is Born (1937); King Kong (1933); Sullivan’s Travels (1941); Show Girl in Hollywood (1930); You’ll Never Get Rich (1941); 42nd Street (1933); They Call it Sin (1932); The Mad Genius (1931); All About Eve (1950); Souls for Sale (1923); Stage Door (1937); The Stand-In (1937); Myrt and Marge (1933); The Broadway Melody (1929)
Last edited by RBG on December 21st, 2017, 10:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.
icm + ltbxd

NO GODS NO MASTERS

User avatar
ChrisReynolds
Donator
Posts: 2500
Joined: Dec 29, 2011
Location: Berlin, Germany
Contact:

#216

Post by ChrisReynolds » December 24th, 2017, 2:06 am

Allegations against Max Landis are starting to come out. I have heard people talking in non-specific terms about how unpleasant Max Landis is so this doesn't surprise me. Oh, and also his dad has been covering up for him. The tweets they have in this article are hair-raising; sounds like there's going to be an avalanche of stories about him.

https://www.themarysue.com/sexual-assau ... s-twitter/

https://twitter.com/UnburntWitch/status ... 7339865090

User avatar
Armoreska
Posts: 11450
Joined: Nov 01, 2012
Location: Ukraine
Contact:

#217

Post by Armoreska » January 1st, 2018, 9:45 pm

Image
currently working towards a vegan/low waste world + thru such film lists (besides TV): 2010s bests, RW Fassbinder, Luis Bunuel, Yasujiro Ozu, Eric Rohmer, Visual Effects nominees, kid-related stuff, great animes (mini-serie or feature), very 80s movies, 17+ sci-fi lists on watchlist, ENVIRO, remarkable Silent Films and Pre-Code (exploring 1925 atm) and every shorts and docu list I'm aware of and
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1434
and "Gordon" Liu Chia-Hui/Liu Chia-Liang and Yuen Woo-ping and "Sammo" Hung Kam-bo

User avatar
Pretentious Hipster
Donator
Posts: 19600
Joined: Oct 24, 2011
Contact:

#218

Post by Pretentious Hipster » February 12th, 2018, 12:31 am

Surprised that I only found out about this now https://www.screendaily.com/news/actres ... 65.article
My father didn’t have the skill of a professional cameraman. The result? Avant-garde cinema.

User avatar
St. Gloede
Moderator
Posts: 10317
Joined: May 06, 2011
Contact:

#219

Post by St. Gloede » February 12th, 2018, 11:19 am

XxXApathy420XxX on Feb 11 2018, 05:31:37 PM wrote:Surprised that I only found out about this now https://www.screendaily.com/news/actres ... 65.article
Was expecting something entirely different given the thread Happy to see he was not a molestor, just a bit of an asshole. Directors slapping their actors and making them uncomfortable is an issue I’m not sure what I feel about – terrible working conditions of course, but so often these tactics create wonderful cinema – while often, including here being obviously not acceptable. Maybe directors who want to destroy their actors souls, or lighter measures (like here), should set up a consent form before hand – then everyone would know exactly what they are getting into.

User avatar
Knaldskalle
Moderator
Posts: 9652
Joined: May 09, 2011
Location: New Mexico, Trumpistan
Contact:

#220

Post by Knaldskalle » February 12th, 2018, 5:10 pm

St. Gloede on Feb 12 2018, 04:19:05 AM wrote:Maybe directors who want to destroy their actors souls, or lighter measures (like here), should set up a consent form before hand – then everyone would know exactly what they are getting into.
"You want the job? You need the money? Sign here."

Yeah, can't see that being an issue in any way.
ImageImageImageImage

Please don't hurt yourself, talk to someone.

User avatar
St. Gloede
Moderator
Posts: 10317
Joined: May 06, 2011
Contact:

#221

Post by St. Gloede » February 12th, 2018, 5:13 pm

Knaldskalle on Feb 12 2018, 10:10:37 AM wrote:
St. Gloede on Feb 12 2018, 04:19:05 AM wrote:Maybe directors who want to destroy their actors souls, or lighter measures (like here), should set up a consent form before hand – then everyone would know exactly what they are getting into.
"You want the job? You need the money? Sign here."

Yeah, can't see that being an issue in any way.
Very true, like "bum fighting". At the same time it is fully legal in most countries to take money for boxing and various fighting sports, and even certain reality shows goes a long way to torture their participants without much outrage, I don't quite see the distinction.
Last edited by St. Gloede on February 12th, 2018, 5:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
cinephage
Donator
Posts: 3874
Joined: Nov 11, 2011
Contact:

#222

Post by cinephage » February 12th, 2018, 5:20 pm

This has been going on for quite some time, so I would consider an actor today to know what the risks are...

John Ford and Victor McLaglen (The Informer), from imdb
John Ford kept Victor McLaglen continually off-balance (and thus in character) by getting him drunk, changing his schedules, verbally abusing him on and off the set and filming scenes when he'd told McLaglen that they were only rehearsing. For the crucial rebel court scene, the story goes that Ford reduced the actor to a trembling wreck by promising him the day off only to bring him into the studio early and extremely hung over, insisting that he spit out his lines. McLaglen was so furious with Ford over this that he threatened to quit acting and kill the director.

User avatar
OldAle1
Donator
Posts: 3917
Joined: Feb 09, 2017
Location: Dairyland, USA
Contact:

#223

Post by OldAle1 » February 12th, 2018, 5:25 pm

Ford was quite abusive to John Wayne also, on more than one film, but I guess Wayne knew who made his career and stuck with him until the 60s.
Here's to the fools who dream.

User avatar
St. Gloede
Moderator
Posts: 10317
Joined: May 06, 2011
Contact:

#224

Post by St. Gloede » February 12th, 2018, 6:46 pm

Yeah, it's very common - doesn't necessarily mean it's moral or should happen, but there is also something artistically romantic to me in this kind of horrible exercise.

User avatar
Armoreska
Posts: 11450
Joined: Nov 01, 2012
Location: Ukraine
Contact:

#225

Post by Armoreska » March 7th, 2018, 11:26 am

Image
currently working towards a vegan/low waste world + thru such film lists (besides TV): 2010s bests, RW Fassbinder, Luis Bunuel, Yasujiro Ozu, Eric Rohmer, Visual Effects nominees, kid-related stuff, great animes (mini-serie or feature), very 80s movies, 17+ sci-fi lists on watchlist, ENVIRO, remarkable Silent Films and Pre-Code (exploring 1925 atm) and every shorts and docu list I'm aware of and
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1434
and "Gordon" Liu Chia-Hui/Liu Chia-Liang and Yuen Woo-ping and "Sammo" Hung Kam-bo

User avatar
cinephage
Donator
Posts: 3874
Joined: Nov 11, 2011
Contact:

#226

Post by cinephage » March 7th, 2018, 1:41 pm

Armoreska on Mar 7 2018, 04:26:46 AM wrote:https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/mps-moc ... ia-1820646
During the Cesars ceremony, a french female comedian, Blanche Gardin, asked : "Producers no longer have the right to rape actresses . But do we still have the right to sleep with them to get roles?" she asked. "Because if we don't, then we have to learn our lines, pass auditions, and we don't have the time. You realize how much time that takes?"

She was also wearing a badge in support of Louis C.K.

http://www.france24.com/en/20180303-fre ... sar-awards

User avatar
Pretentious Hipster
Donator
Posts: 19600
Joined: Oct 24, 2011
Contact:

#227

Post by Pretentious Hipster » March 8th, 2018, 2:10 am

St. Gloede on Feb 12 2018, 04:19:05 AM wrote:
XxXApathy420XxX on Feb 11 2018, 05:31:37 PM wrote:Surprised that I only found out about this now https://www.screendaily.com/news/actres ... 65.article
Was expecting something entirely different given the thread Happy to see he was not a molestor, just a bit of an asshole. Directors slapping their actors and making them uncomfortable is an issue I’m not sure what I feel about – terrible working conditions of course, but so often these tactics create wonderful cinema – while often, including here being obviously not acceptable. Maybe directors who want to destroy their actors souls, or lighter measures (like here), should set up a consent form before hand – then everyone would know exactly what they are getting into.
Well I guess that changed

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/m ... p_Facebook
My father didn’t have the skill of a professional cameraman. The result? Avant-garde cinema.

User avatar
maxwelldeux
Donator
Posts: 7667
Joined: Jun 07, 2016
Location: Seattle-ish, WA, USA
Contact:

#228

Post by maxwelldeux » March 16th, 2018, 11:50 pm


User avatar
mightysparks
Site Admin
Posts: 30100
Joined: May 05, 2011
Location: Perth, WA, Australia
Contact:

#229

Post by mightysparks » March 17th, 2018, 12:08 am

It’s frustrating to see so many high profile cases knowing that mine doesn’t have the power to make any difference. Speaking out against my rapist has just made ‘friends’ ditch me, block me and befriend the rapist again. Maybe in Australia being a rapist is just a cool personality quirk.
"I do not always know what I want, but I do know what I don't want." - Stanley Kubrick

iCM | IMDb | LastFM | TSZDT

Image


User avatar
xianjiro
Donator
Posts: 7072
Joined: Jun 17, 2015
Location: Kakistani Left Coast
Contact:

#231

Post by xianjiro » March 17th, 2018, 5:54 am

eh, just another clueless, rich, heterosexual, white guy - who cares - so 20th Century

Listen, Daddy. Teacher says, 'every time a car alarm bleeps, into heaven a demon sneaks.'
sol can find me here

allisoncm
Posts: 16279
Joined: May 11, 2011
Contact:

#232

Post by allisoncm » March 17th, 2018, 5:18 pm

maxwelldeux on Mar 16 2018, 05:50:04 PM wrote:And now, the AMPAS President: https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/16/entertai ... index.html
This explains why the Kobe film won for Best Animated Short Film.

User avatar
OldAle1
Donator
Posts: 3917
Joined: Feb 09, 2017
Location: Dairyland, USA
Contact:

#233

Post by OldAle1 » March 30th, 2018, 2:16 pm

Don't know if this one has come to light earlier but it's the first I've heard of it. Sorry, Ren and Stimpy fans -

https://www.buzzfeed.com/arianelange/jo ... .blg7Dw9ZV
Here's to the fools who dream.

User avatar
OldAle1
Donator
Posts: 3917
Joined: Feb 09, 2017
Location: Dairyland, USA
Contact:

#234

Post by OldAle1 » April 1st, 2018, 5:52 pm

Catherine Breillat, called out by Asia Argento, after Breillat blasts the MeToo movement

https://www.thewrap.com/asia-argento-sa ... er-on-set/

Lot of stuff to unpack in this short article, more so for me probably since I'm not really that familiar with either of these ladies' work - I have a bunch of stuff from each of them actually, just haven't gotten around to any of it. And I haven't read too much in the way of reviews or discussions about either of them, so out of the loop. Curious what more knowledgeable folks think.

Also a little bit at the end of this article about David Hamilton, the British "erotica" photographer and filmmaker who specialized in gauzy celebrations of nubile and nude young women - or more appropriately, girls. I've known his name for a long time, and when I was a horny teenager I spent more time than I care to admit trying to snag some of his sleazy "art" books which in this area were put in adults-only sections of stores. Seems dirty now but what did I know then? Anyway turns out he killed himself a couple of years ago after accusations of abuse leveled against him by some of his former models.
Here's to the fools who dream.

morrison-dylan-fan
Posts: 1098
Joined: Feb 06, 2017
Contact:

#235

Post by morrison-dylan-fan » April 21st, 2018, 1:09 pm

Smallvile star Allison Mack charged with sex trafficking:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43846243

allisoncm
Posts: 16279
Joined: May 11, 2011
Contact:

#236

Post by allisoncm » April 21st, 2018, 8:48 pm

Never really watched the show, but that's beyond horrible.

User avatar
GruesomeTwosome
Donator
Posts: 2920
Joined: Feb 03, 2017
Location: Industrial Wasteland, USA
Contact:

#237

Post by GruesomeTwosome » April 26th, 2018, 7:38 pm

Bill Cosby found guilty on three counts of indecent assault: https://www.npr.org/2018/04/26/60600548 ... nt-assault

Faces a statutory maximum prison sentence of 30 years, but apparently a max sentence of 10 years is most likely, but sentencing still to come. Finally got him on something (this was related to just one of the many incidents he's been accused of).
Last edited by GruesomeTwosome on April 26th, 2018, 7:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I’m to remember every man I've seen fall into a plate of spaghetti???

My IMDB profile
ICM
Letterboxd

User avatar
sebby
Posts: 6131
Joined: Jul 04, 2011
Contact:

#238

Post by sebby » April 26th, 2018, 7:54 pm

morrison-dylan-fan on Apr 21 2018, 07:09:19 AM wrote:Smallvile star Allison Mack charged with sex trafficking:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43846243
I'm surprised this isn't a bigger story. This is maybe the most disturbing of all the stories that have come out (except maybe Cosby). Goes to show that star power and ad revenue still matter more than anything else.

User avatar
RBG
Posts: 6178
Joined: Feb 13, 2016
Location: desert usa
Contact:

#239

Post by RBG » April 26th, 2018, 9:28 pm

smallville is still on the air? i'd never heard of allison mack til this broke

i believe the billionaire bronfman sisters have been keeping this cult alive. to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/1013 ... 2a0f261853

http://www.macleans.ca/economy/business ... 0-million/

https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2010 ... man-201011

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/17/nyre ... lbany.html

as you can see it's been in the news before. a tv series is possibly in the works

http://www.newsweek.com/keith-raniere-n ... ult-902268
Last edited by RBG on April 26th, 2018, 10:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
icm + ltbxd

NO GODS NO MASTERS

User avatar
GruesomeTwosome
Donator
Posts: 2920
Joined: Feb 03, 2017
Location: Industrial Wasteland, USA
Contact:

#240

Post by GruesomeTwosome » April 26th, 2018, 9:31 pm

RBG on Apr 26 2018, 03:28:59 PM wrote:smallville is still on the air? i'd never heard of allison mack til this broke
I'd never heard of her either (didn't watch the show), but apparently the show ended in 2011. Weird story though.
I’m to remember every man I've seen fall into a plate of spaghetti???

My IMDB profile
ICM
Letterboxd

Post Reply