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Post by Lonewolf2003 » May 10th, 2019, 3:01 pm

bal3x wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 12:50 pm
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What if it is repeated or nearly repeated and often, look at the financial strength of the Premier League, which should be considered the best league due to the number of good quality teams. Arsenal need to win to qualify for Champions League, the other 3 teams already qualified through league position along with Manchester City who may win the domestic double of league and FA Cup and they are not of course in a European final having lost to Spurs earlier.
Well, this year EPL can claim they're the best league in the world :lol: But surely the other leagues will have something to say about this :)
The Spanish especially ;). The dominance of Spanish clubs in the CL this last decade can't be overlooked. Although this dominance is made by just the 3 topclubs and less a showing of the strength of the entire league like for the EPL.

Anyhow the influx from money because of that major broadcasting deal sure is having and going a influence on the performances of English clubs in the CL and Europa League. Cause now even subtop clubs have way bigger budget. (Of course money doesn't make a great team, but it sure can help.)

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Post by Cippenham » May 10th, 2019, 3:02 pm

Barcelona rely on Messi and Real Madrid used to on Ronaldo but otherwise are good but not that good as they used to be and when Messi retires he is not replaceable

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Post by bal3x » May 10th, 2019, 3:32 pm

Lonewolf2003 wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 3:01 pm
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May 10th, 2019, 12:50 pm
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What if it is repeated or nearly repeated and often, look at the financial strength of the Premier League, which should be considered the best league due to the number of good quality teams. Arsenal need to win to qualify for Champions League, the other 3 teams already qualified through league position along with Manchester City who may win the domestic double of league and FA Cup and they are not of course in a European final having lost to Spurs earlier.
Well, this year EPL can claim they're the best league in the world :lol: But surely the other leagues will have something to say about this :)
The Spanish especially ;). The dominance of Spanish clubs in the CL this last decade can't be overlooked. Although this dominance is made by just the 3 topclubs and less a showing of the strength of the entire league like for the EPL.

Anyhow the influx from money because of that major broadcasting deal sure is having and going a influence on the performances of English clubs in the CL and Europa League. Cause now even subtop clubs have way bigger budget. (Of course money doesn't make a great team, but it sure can help.)
Yeah, that's why I feel no single country will be able to dominate in Europe, despite all the money. The money sure helps, but it's not a guarantee of success, look at City and PSG, in fact I was just reading the other day that the Qataris will be cutting down investments as the results had not been achieved that they expected...

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Post by bal3x » May 10th, 2019, 3:35 pm

Cippenham wrote:
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Barcelona rely on Messi and Real Madrid used to on Ronaldo but otherwise are good but not that good as they used to be and when Messi retires he is not replaceable
Not quite so - big clubs like that cannot afford to rely on a single player no matter what caliber they are since if they get injured their season is over... so I'm sure Barca will cope fine without Messi as I'm sure Real will cope without Ronaldo - it may take one or two seasons for adjustment but they will certainly do that.

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Post by Cippenham » May 10th, 2019, 6:04 pm

bal3x wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 3:35 pm
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Barcelona rely on Messi and Real Madrid used to on Ronaldo but otherwise are good but not that good as they used to be and when Messi retires he is not replaceable
Not quite so - big clubs like that cannot afford to rely on a single player no matter what caliber they are since if they get injured their season is over... so I'm sure Barca will cope fine without Messi as I'm sure Real will cope without Ronaldo - it may take one or two seasons for adjustment but they will certainly do that.
We will see, they will compete again and have a chance for sure and are at roughly the same level as Premier League sides. Manchester City might reach the semi finals next time as well.

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Post by Lammetje » May 11th, 2019, 1:36 pm

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48220247

No wonder UEFA only allocated 6,000 tickets to each club, your only options to get there is through indirect flights or a ~60h drive where you'll be passing through a flipping war zone!
No, the almost 60h drive suggested in the article avoids the war zone in Ukraine. Good read though. Baku isn't even in Europe, but they have oil and oil = money, so Baku is where the final will take place. Wonderful world we live in.
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Post by Ivan0716 » May 11th, 2019, 10:21 pm

Lammetje wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 1:36 pm
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May 10th, 2019, 6:51 am
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48220247

No wonder UEFA only allocated 6,000 tickets to each club, your only options to get there is through indirect flights or a ~60h drive where you'll be passing through a flipping war zone!
No, the almost 60h drive suggested in the article avoids the war zone in Ukraine. Good read though. Baku isn't even in Europe, but they have oil and oil = money, so Baku is where the final will take place. Wonderful world we live in.
They changed it, the original route they had went right through it. UEFA probably wanted to give the stadium a go before the Euro.

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Post by lynchs » May 13th, 2019, 12:13 pm

Bosman rule KILLED football.. :turned:

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Post by Ivan0716 » May 29th, 2019, 8:00 pm

Half-time Chelsea-Arsenal, probably the least exciting cup final I've ever seen atmosphere-wise. I can totally imagine someone accidentally tuning in and thinking the pre-season Asia tour started early...

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Post by Lilarcor » May 29th, 2019, 9:08 pm

I love motorsports racing in Baku (because of the track and particularly for Formula 2) but man it's such a bummer to host the football there. I'm not getting excited about Saturday honestly after this...

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Post by Ivan0716 » May 29th, 2019, 9:37 pm

At least that one will be played in a footballing city.

But don't worry, we'll be able to experience this again next year when not one, but TWO quarter finals of the Euro will be hosted in Baku! If your team's gotta go out that'll be the best place to do it...because it won't feel like a quarter final at all. ;)

EDIT: wait no, I was wrong, only 1 QF will be played there.

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Post by Cippenham » May 30th, 2019, 4:52 am

The second half was amazing in Baku compared to the first with five goals. Arsenal could not cope in the end so well done Chelsea. It’s ridiculous to be held in Baku I agree.

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Post by GruesomeTwosome » June 1st, 2019, 2:53 pm

Predictions for tonight’s final?

I’ll go with 2-2, Spurs winning 4-3 on penalties.
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Post by Lilarcor » June 1st, 2019, 3:10 pm

3-0 for Liverpool

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Post by Ivan0716 » June 1st, 2019, 3:25 pm

3-1 Liverpool

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Post by Cippenham » June 1st, 2019, 3:51 pm

1 nil Spurs

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Post by Traveller » June 1st, 2019, 5:26 pm

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Post by Ivan0716 » June 1st, 2019, 7:08 pm

Well fuck, I just tuned in and already missed a goal.

Also: take note UEFA, this is what a cup final sounds like.

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Post by Carmel1379 » June 1st, 2019, 7:11 pm

That’s never a penalty lol
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Post by Carmel1379 » June 1st, 2019, 8:09 pm

This killed the first half honestly. Hope Pochettino gave a damn good speech there for them to come back.
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Post by GruesomeTwosome » June 1st, 2019, 8:39 pm

Come on you Spurs...can’t let the CL final be decided by a hand-ball call 30 seconds in.
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Post by Cippenham » June 1st, 2019, 8:50 pm

They think it’s all over 2 nil Liverpool , edit, it is now

Mistake to start Kane, not Match fit

Not a great game, they somehow should have the final a bit earlier than this

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Post by matthewscott8 » June 2nd, 2019, 12:02 am

I missed most of the match, was on BT Sport in the UK which is a pay channel, they tried to run a stream on YouTube but it blew up. I caught fragments on my account stream as I'm a BT internet customer, but that was intermittent. Not sure I missed much though.

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Post by flaiky » June 2nd, 2019, 12:20 am

I went to the screening at the Spurs stadium, which was fun...until the game started, then the atmosphere kind of died with that damn penalty.

I'm glad it wasn't a flat-out disaster, anyway, unlike for a certain other north London team. :whistling:

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Post by bal3x » June 2nd, 2019, 12:38 pm

I'm actually happy for Klopp - the guy deserved this! Indeed it was a mistake to start Kane... and that penalty I'm not actually sure, the ball didn't quite hit the hand, but there was movement... 50/50 I'd say. Oh well, anyway, Pool was the better team here.

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Post by Carmel1379 » June 2nd, 2019, 1:03 pm

It looked like he was signalling to his teammate and then the ball flicked off his chest barely scraping his arm while Mané wasn't even passing to anyone.. I mean that's just not a penalty. It was very telling they didn't show more than one replay of the penalty incidence during the entire game (while the penalty itself got about 5), they knew the call was dodgy.

Liverpool is the best defensive side in the world, so it's no surprise they won after this 1-0 head start. But man, that was one of the shittiest football games I have ever seen, such an anti-climax to a pretty eventful CL.
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Post by bal3x » June 2nd, 2019, 5:54 pm

Carmel1379 wrote:
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It looked like he was signalling to his teammate and then the ball flicked off his chest barely scraping his arm while Mané wasn't even passing to anyone.. I mean that's just not a penalty. It was very telling they didn't show more than one replay of the penalty incidence during the entire game (while the penalty itself got about 5), they knew the call was dodgy.

Liverpool is the best defensive side in the world, so it's no surprise they won after this 1-0 head start. But man, that was one of the shittiest football games I have ever seen, such an anti-climax to a pretty eventful CL.
Well, yeah, but you don't throw your hands around in the box just because such things happen... it may as well not have been intentional but I can also see why it would be given. But I'm not arguing it was the correct decision..

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Post by flaiky » June 2nd, 2019, 7:37 pm

Carmel1379 wrote:
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It looked like he was signalling to his teammate and then the ball flicked off his chest barely scraping his arm while Mané wasn't even passing to anyone..
If you rewatch it, it really looks like Mane intentionally created the 'hand ball'. There's a moment where he notices that Sissoko has his arm out (100% because he is pointing for a teammate) and then he basically kicks the ball straight at him. You can blame Sissoko for being careless but that's pretty shitty of Mane.

Yeah it was an anticlimatic final. I spent most of the match chatting to my friend, it just wasn't engaging. The heat and the three-week break must have a lot to do with that. I'm mostly disappointed that we didn't even get to celebrate a goal in the stadium - I was prepared for us to lose but I at least wanted a moment of excitement and joy with 60,000 other fans.
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Post by GruesomeTwosome » June 2nd, 2019, 9:25 pm

Yeah I was looking forward to this match so much, and it was a struggle to keep my attention on it. Really bad all-around.
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Post by Ivan0716 » June 11th, 2019, 12:43 pm

I guess no one cares for the women's world cup here?

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Post by Teproc » June 11th, 2019, 12:54 pm

I watched the opening match, and it just wasn't very interesting because the Korean team was too amateurish to make it a real game. I think the elimination rounds will be more interesting.

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Post by Cippenham » June 11th, 2019, 7:29 pm

Do women play football? 😁

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Post by GruesomeTwosome » June 11th, 2019, 8:41 pm

USA is currently up 10-0 on Thailand. :satstunned:


EDIT: make that 11-0...
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Post by GruesomeTwosome » June 11th, 2019, 8:52 pm

Wow, final score of 13-0. US women’s team is ruthless!
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Post by maxwelldeux » June 11th, 2019, 8:56 pm

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Wow, final score of 13-0. US women’s team is ruthless!
That should set them up OK on goal differential... :blink:

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Post by Ivan0716 » June 11th, 2019, 9:17 pm

Teproc wrote:
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I watched the opening match, and it just wasn't very interesting because the Korean team was too amateurish to make it a real game. I think the elimination rounds will be more interesting.
I've watched 3 or 4 matches but none of them have been very exciting, the football has been awful for the most part...I mean, the two headed goals by France...really? :rolleyes:

It's a shame Necib retired, she single-handedly lit up the last two tournaments for me - being probably the ONLY real technical player among all those who were playing. I was really looking forward to the Netherlands match this afternoon since they supposedly boast two of best forwards in the world, but turns out watching one of them being marked out by 3+ people the whole time and the other constantly running into a wall of defenders wasn't much fun.

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Post by GruesomeTwosome » June 11th, 2019, 10:06 pm

maxwelldeux wrote:
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Wow, final score of 13-0. US women’s team is ruthless!
That should set them up OK on goal differential... :blink:
Yup, I think these upstarts might just make it through to the next round. tehe
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Post by Ivan0716 » June 13th, 2019, 1:34 pm

Wow just saw the USA game, not sure what's more embarassing: the team losing 13-0 or the team celebrating every one of the 13 like it's the fucking winning goal in the final. Have some humility ffs, you were playing against a team of semi-pros that were half your size. :rolleyes:

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Post by GruesomeTwosome » June 13th, 2019, 2:51 pm

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Wow just saw the USA game, not sure what's more embarassing: the team losing 13-0 or the team celebrating every one of the 13 like it's the fucking winning goal in the final. Have some humility ffs, you were playing against a team of semi-pros that were half your size. :rolleyes:
Yeah, all of that celebrating was a bit...much, to say the least. Especially when you're still doing choreographed celebrations after goals 9, 10, 11, etc. I started to feel really bad for the Thailand team. I had never seen such a large gap between the talent of two teams on the World Cup stage (women or men); it was clear that the Thailand team's talent was on the level of, I dunno, a decent high school girls team in the US?
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