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Post by Pretentious Hipster » June 14th, 2020, 12:36 pm

A Lenin quote from a bad pdf
Dyelo Naroda, the organ of the ruling Socialist­Revolutionary Party, recently admitted in a leading article­­ with the matchless frankness of people of "good society", in which “all” are engaged in political
prostitution ­ that even in the ministeries headed by the “socialists” (save the mark!), the whole bureaucratic
apparatus is in fact unchanged, is working in the old way and quite “freely” sabotaging revolutionary
measures! Even without this admission, does not the actual history of the participation of the Socialist-
Revolutionaries and Mensheviks in the government prove this? It is noteworthy, however, that in the
ministerial company of the Cadets, the Chernovs, Rusanovs, Zenzinovs, and other editors of Dyelo Naroda
have so completely lost all sense of shame as to brazenly assert, as if it were a mere bagetelle, that in “their” ministeries everything is unchanged!! Revolutionary­democratic phrases to gull the rural Simple Simons, and bureaucracy and red tape to "gladden the hearts" of the capitalists­­that is the essence of the “honest” coalition.


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Post by Kublai Khan » June 16th, 2020, 10:59 am

Were there honesty LGTB+ people who thought Trump was on there side? Sounds like an attempted wedge position for outside influences to take.
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Post by Pretentious Hipster » June 18th, 2020, 12:32 pm

Look at the nightmare that will happen if the left wins!

*Shows all good things*


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Post by Onderhond » June 18th, 2020, 12:44 pm

Pretentious Hipster wrote:
June 18th, 2020, 12:32 pm
*Shows all good things*
Apart from the speech codes. I think that's where much of the "extreme" left gets its bad name from.

Hilarious conclusion though :D

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » June 18th, 2020, 1:01 pm

His comment on welfare was good timing after going through an analysis of Das Kapital. Marx and Engels talked about the reserve army of labour and it pretty much predicted how places like Amazon work and what people like Reagan would do. Capitalists love that the unemployed exists. They need them. But, they need to have them demonized. With this, and not even giving them enough to survive, they get increasingly desperate for work. It's not that they want them to work, they just want them desperate to find a job. With this, people that work in places like Amazon HAVE to be more productive, because the bosses can just be like "you're too comfortable here and there's an unemployed person who wants this job more than you, so you're fired".

It's like that here too. Welfare for Ontario is maybe half of the amount needed for rent, and I'm sure it's even worse in Toronto. Of course, it should be lower than minimum wage, and they should be given motivation to find a job, but they at least need enough to survive.

Of course with economics I would love a system like in Cuba. Have the "needs" for free and centralized, and have all the money you earn dedicated to just your "wants", and I would have these companies be run in worker co-ops.

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Post by matthewscott8 » June 18th, 2020, 2:43 pm

Pretentious Hipster wrote:
June 18th, 2020, 12:32 pm
Look at the nightmare that will happen if the left wins!

*Shows all good things*

Yeah satire certainly is a double edged sword.

Incidentally solar and wind don't need to be subsidised, they're cheaper. Cheapest energy in the US is available in Texas, from wind.

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Post by Onderhond » June 18th, 2020, 3:12 pm

matthewscott8 wrote:
June 18th, 2020, 2:43 pm
Cheapest energy in the US is available in Texas, from wind.
Because they're all blowhards, or ... ?

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Post by matthewscott8 » June 18th, 2020, 4:32 pm

Onderhond wrote:
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matthewscott8 wrote:
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Cheapest energy in the US is available in Texas, from wind.
Because they're all blowhards, or ... ?
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Post by Dolwphin » June 18th, 2020, 4:45 pm

Me after stating that science is real on a campus;

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Post by matthewscott8 » June 18th, 2020, 9:45 pm

Dolwphin wrote:
June 18th, 2020, 4:45 pm
Me after stating that science is real on a campus;

Universities don't seem to function any more. I agree with Hitchens on hardly anything, but he uses the organ between his ears, is intellectually honest, and doesn't deserve to be bayed at. My suspicion is we have so many humanities places because they're a lot cheaper. Imagine how much courses would cost if people had to come out as functioning adults, like the medics and engineers. Like hello philosophy grad, this city borough is full of depressed people, see if you can cheer them up, after all the medics can fix their bodies and the engineers can sort their roads and bridges and hospitals. Every day is a facepalm day at the moment.

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Post by Onderhond » June 18th, 2020, 10:22 pm

matthewscott8 wrote:
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Every day is a facepalm day at the moment.
Only because people gravitate towards the negative and everyone wants to exploit that for his own 5 minutes of fame.

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Post by matthewscott8 » June 18th, 2020, 10:25 pm

Onderhond wrote:
June 18th, 2020, 10:22 pm
matthewscott8 wrote:
June 18th, 2020, 9:45 pm
Every day is a facepalm day at the moment.
Only because people gravitate towards the negative and everyone wants to exploit that for his own 5 minutes of fame.
I tried reading the HuffPost good news site for a while, but it doesn't update very often.

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Post by Onderhond » June 18th, 2020, 10:33 pm

Myeah, but "good news" in newspapers are usually silly faits divers pieces. It's better to find a source that can add a little perspective and context to news story, rather than bring everything in the most trigger-happy way. For that reason, commercial news outlets are rarely the best place to look for news.

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Post by St. Gloede » June 18th, 2020, 10:58 pm

What is the context of the above clip?

Also: I am not overly familiar with Hitchens, so maybe I am wrong, but everything I have seen indicates that he is a thoroughly dishonest bad faith actor. This is the guy pushing the conspiracy theory that Tony Blair is a communist sleeper agent for decades, and appears to be spewing culture war nonsense at a constant basis to agitate conservatives into opposing any kind of positive change.

Just a quick search showcased craziness like this from just 3 days ago: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... hange.html

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Post by matthewscott8 » June 18th, 2020, 11:47 pm

St. Gloede wrote:
June 18th, 2020, 10:58 pm
he is a thoroughly dishonest bad faith actor.
He's the real deal, a bona fide principled conservative, god fearing and nationalistic, without venality. From where I stand he is wrong on almost everything, but if he can't speak on a uni campus, something is indeed super rotten. There are of course tonnes of trolling loons of the right wing who cause ruckuses on campuses for no other reason than to causes ruckuses, he just isn't of that ilk.




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Post by Kublai Khan » June 19th, 2020, 3:34 am

Pretentious Hipster wrote:
June 18th, 2020, 12:32 pm
Look at the nightmare that will happen if the left wins!

*Shows all good things*
I'll take your word for it. I only made it about 46 seconds into the video. But in that time I learned that the "Far-Left crazies" want a man to give birth and they control all levels of government. I don't know how anyone can take those videos seriously, but those who do are too warped to talk to.
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Post by Kublai Khan » June 19th, 2020, 3:50 am

I hear Australia is passing Wage Theft laws. Amazing and fantastic.

I would love the US to pass similar laws. Someone put it recently that that sort of crime really shows how terrible the system is. If I were to steal $1,000 from my employer, I would likely get arrested and be prosecuted. But if my employer underpaid me to the amount of $1,000, it would be on me to take them to small claims court and likely have to hire an attorney to sort through it. The employer might have to eventually pay, but no charges will ever be levied against them and they are free to do it to every employee until they get caught.
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Post by St. Gloede » June 19th, 2020, 6:14 am

matthewscott8 wrote:
June 18th, 2020, 11:47 pm
St. Gloede wrote:
June 18th, 2020, 10:58 pm
he is a thoroughly dishonest bad faith actor.
He's the real deal, a bona fide principled conservative, god fearing and nationalistic, without venality. From where I stand he is wrong on almost everything, but if he can't speak on a uni campus, something is indeed super rotten. There are of course tonnes of trolling loons of the right wing who cause ruckuses on campuses for no other reason than to causes ruckuses, he just isn't of that ilk.
From the article from just 4 days ago:
I pointed out that Labour’s smoothie Mandelsonian and Blairite Eurocommunists were far more dangerous than Jeremy Corbyn’s crude and obvious Marxism.
If this is not a grifter he belongs at a facility where he can get help.

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Post by matthewscott8 » June 19th, 2020, 7:53 am

St. Gloede wrote:
June 19th, 2020, 6:14 am
matthewscott8 wrote:
June 18th, 2020, 11:47 pm
St. Gloede wrote:
June 18th, 2020, 10:58 pm
he is a thoroughly dishonest bad faith actor.
He's the real deal, a bona fide principled conservative, god fearing and nationalistic, without venality. From where I stand he is wrong on almost everything, but if he can't speak on a uni campus, something is indeed super rotten. There are of course tonnes of trolling loons of the right wing who cause ruckuses on campuses for no other reason than to causes ruckuses, he just isn't of that ilk.
From the article from just 4 days ago:
I pointed out that Labour’s smoothie Mandelsonian and Blairite Eurocommunists were far more dangerous than Jeremy Corbyn’s crude and obvious Marxism.
If this is not a grifter he belongs at a facility where he can get help.
Would that facility be a re-education centre? Diversity of thought is important because every tradition in political thinking has its lacunae. To me Hitchens is valuable if he rights 20 things, and I find 19 of them gibberish, but 1 stops and makes me think, and is something that with my principles and background I would never have thought of. Hitchens is striving to be virtuous. Someone like Ben Shapiro on the other hand doesn't have that 1/20, and also is going to the university campuses to deliberately be upsetting.

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Post by Armoreska » June 19th, 2020, 8:33 am

But that PU video has sources! It must be right.
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Post by St. Gloede » June 19th, 2020, 9:04 am

matthewscott8 wrote:
June 19th, 2020, 7:53 am
St. Gloede wrote:
June 19th, 2020, 6:14 am
matthewscott8 wrote:
June 18th, 2020, 11:47 pm
He's the real deal, a bona fide principled conservative, god fearing and nationalistic, without venality. From where I stand he is wrong on almost everything, but if he can't speak on a uni campus, something is indeed super rotten. There are of course tonnes of trolling loons of the right wing who cause ruckuses on campuses for no other reason than to causes ruckuses, he just isn't of that ilk.
From the article from just 4 days ago:
I pointed out that Labour’s smoothie Mandelsonian and Blairite Eurocommunists were far more dangerous than Jeremy Corbyn’s crude and obvious Marxism.
If this is not a grifter he belongs at a facility where he can get help.
Would that facility be a re-education centre? Diversity of thought is important because every tradition in political thinking has its lacunae. To me Hitchens is valuable if he rights 20 things, and I find 19 of them gibberish, but 1 stops and makes me think, and is something that with my principles and background I would never have thought of. Hitchens is striving to be virtuous. Someone like Ben Shapiro on the other hand doesn't have that 1/20, and also is going to the university campuses to deliberately be upsetting.
:huh:

Diversity of thought =//= Mental instability or insanity.

There are three options here:

1. (the most likely one) He is a vile grifter seeking to trick people into going against their best interests (and in favour of the interests of his employers)
2. He is mentally ill
3. He is actually spot on right about the global eurocommunist conspiracy, involving most of the establishment, to take down the west.

This is the crazy loon Cipp always cites, I have read several of the links Cipp has posted over the years and they are bizarre, nonsensical and offers no proof. This is even the man who claimed Theresa May was a Socialist ...

Sure, crazy conspiracy theorists do not necessarily need to be locked away, but if he is genuinely mentally ill, and not a bad-faith actor, he should get help.

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Post by Dolwphin » June 19th, 2020, 2:49 pm

George Floyd murder prevents Amy Klobuchar from becoming POTUS in 2024. How unlucky!

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Post by Dolwphin » June 19th, 2020, 2:58 pm

Kublai Khan wrote:
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I hear Australia is passing Wage Theft laws. Amazing and fantastic.
Australia is abolishing Capitalism? :o
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Post by Dolwphin » June 19th, 2020, 3:08 pm

I have only heard about that HItchens when he accurately described how awesome Sweden Is regarding our handling of the Corona-outbreak. And how the rest of the world are cucks who live In box. FREE THE WORLD.
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Post by Knaldskalle » June 19th, 2020, 7:32 pm

Dolwphin wrote:
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George Floyd murder prevents Amy Klobuchar from becoming POTUS in 2024. How unlucky!

Tragic. Absolutely tragic.
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Post by sebby » June 20th, 2020, 11:34 pm



Police are generally speaking very right-wing, excessively violent, and infiltrated with more white supremacists than any other powerful organization in this country. They've also twisted logic enough to believe they are a threatened victim group at this point. The longer people fight back against the alt-right and racism, the more the US will look like a dark reboot of the 1950s. Consequences and reform have to be swift or things are really going to get out of control.

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Post by 3eyes » June 22nd, 2020, 3:35 am

What to youse think of the Tik-Tok/K-Pop prank? My initial reaction was of course Schadenfreude, but it does have ominous undertones. 60 years ago when I hung out with folks that were into such things there was no internet.
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Post by Kublai Khan » June 23rd, 2020, 2:10 am

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace ... 9ce9c74eb6

The Arctic Circle recorded a temperature of 101°F (that's roughly 38°C). That's 30 degrees above normal temperatures.

Just a reminder that climate change is still happening.
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Post by Pretentious Hipster » June 24th, 2020, 12:32 am

Looks like it's over for The Hill. Krystal Ball made a PAC and took over a third of the money raised. Saagar supports and has fascist views.


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Post by St. Gloede » June 24th, 2020, 9:50 am

Pretentious Hipster wrote:
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Looks like it's over for The Hill. Krystal Ball made a PAC and took over a third of the money raised. Saagar supports and has fascist views.
Both well-known facts before the show even started, nothing will fundamentally change - though Robinson will likely not be back on, and some people on the left may be more weary/critical of the shows function/purpose.


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Post by Dolwphin » June 24th, 2020, 3:03 pm

St. Gloede wrote:
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Looks like it's over for The Hill. Krystal Ball made a PAC and took over a third of the money raised. Saagar supports and has fascist views.
Both well-known facts before the show even started, nothing will fundamentally change - though Robinson will likely not be back on, and some people on the left may be more weary/critical of the shows function/purpose.
The left should adopt some of Saagar's social/cultural politics, then maybe some actual workers instead of academics and managers would vote for leftist parties. Don't agree with him on weed, but restricted immigration and patriotism is just self-destructive to denounce. NJR seems to denounce common sense as fascism. SAD!

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