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Post by St. Gloede » May 1st, 2020, 8:51 pm

I think it was always clear that blue lives only matter more than black lives matter.

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Post by sebby » May 1st, 2020, 10:04 pm

Right wingers in virtually every setting will choose a behavior on the spectrum that tilts closest to idiocy/evil/greed/etc. That so many people like this exist -- and so many are in positions of power -- says a whole fucking lot about the human race.

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Post by Dolwphin » May 2nd, 2020, 4:46 pm

Nostradamus Twitter. :o

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Post by Dolwphin » May 3rd, 2020, 2:37 am

New York Presidential Primary cancelled because of Covid-19, setting a tremendous precedent for the supposedly fascist Manchurian candidate that supposedly intends to cancel the GE.
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Post by Pretentious Hipster » May 4th, 2020, 2:53 am

George Bush posted a video on twitter and all the comments are like "ah back when presidents knew what they were doing".... I think I might need to just stick with theory and ignore American politics because I am sure this absolving of presidential sins will happen to Trump in over a decade too.


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Post by Kublai Khan » May 7th, 2020, 2:58 pm



They... They do know that the builders and users of the planet-destroying Death Star are the BAD GUYS in the Star Wars universe, right? FFS...

(That is Trump's campaign manager's twitter account)
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Post by We Are One » May 10th, 2020, 1:59 am

John Holmes would've made a great president. For obvious reasons he wouldn't have felt compelled to get onto the whole my dick is bigger than your dick war mongering. He knew how to perform in front of camera and his experience with dealing with the scumbags in the porn and drug scene would've prepared him for dealing with the scumbags in Washington.

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Post by Dolwphin » May 10th, 2020, 2:05 am

Theodore J. Kaczynski & James Benning 2020. (l)
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Post by We Are One » May 10th, 2020, 11:50 pm

Is it just me or has the buzz around the 2020 election died in the ass thanks to covid19 and the departure of Bernie Sanders?

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Post by Kublai Khan » May 11th, 2020, 5:01 am

We Are One wrote:
May 10th, 2020, 11:50 pm
Is it just me or has the buzz around the 2020 election died in the ass thanks to covid19 and the departure of Bernie Sanders?
The silent majority of Democrats voted Biden and the loud online Bernie contingent just didn't turn out to vote so Biden is the nominee.

So now it's just we know that Biden isn't great, but four more years of Trump would be an insane disaster.

There's not much else to discuss. :shrug:
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Post by sebby » May 11th, 2020, 5:40 am

It's also hard to get rah-rah about a senile rapist who will do nothing to improve the areas of the country that need the most help, while continuing to widen the gap between the haves and have-nots.. The best only worth a shit about Biden is that he likely won't cause quite as much damage as Trump. For me, it's Fuck Em Both & Abstain.



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Post by Dolwphin » May 11th, 2020, 4:14 pm

Ohio

Biden - 72 % - 115 Delegates :ICM:
Sanders - 16 % - 21 Delegates

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Biden - 77 % - 29 Delegates :ICM:
Sanders - 23 % - 10 Delegates

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1. Biden - 1,435 Delegates | Needs: 556
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Post by Armoreska » May 11th, 2020, 4:42 pm

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Post by 3eyes » May 12th, 2020, 3:54 pm

:run: STILL the Gaffer!

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Post by Knaldskalle » May 12th, 2020, 9:32 pm

3eyes wrote:
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Not sure where else to post this:

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Post by Kublai Khan » May 13th, 2020, 6:07 pm

sebby wrote:
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It's also hard to get rah-rah about a senile rapist who will do nothing to improve the areas of the country that need the most help, while continuing to widen the gap between the haves and have-nots.. The best only worth a shit about Biden is that he likely won't cause quite as much damage as Trump. For me, it's Fuck Em Both & Abstain.
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Post by Armoreska » May 13th, 2020, 6:17 pm

:( That's assuming that simply improving quality of life is enough to get the mid guy's attention.
Also the guy on the left side of picture may not speak about it, but I heard he secretly likes to eat kids as well. At least the other guy is upfront about it. Lying is the worst.
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Post by Pretentious Hipster » May 13th, 2020, 6:23 pm

To be fair, there were rumours that Biden's team will include Bloomberg in charge of finance-related stuff, which would be one of the biggest disasters. If Trump is Hitler, then Bloomberg is Mussolini.

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » May 13th, 2020, 6:27 pm

Also someone chatted about it in another forum, and looking it up I'd have to agree. Dick Cheney is worse than Trump, and everyone forgot about him already.

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Post by Dolwphin » May 13th, 2020, 7:53 pm

Pretentious Hipster wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 6:27 pm
Also someone chatted about it in another forum, and looking it up I'd have to agree. Dick Cheney is worse than Trump, and everyone forgot about him already.
Bush -- now a Saint among Liberals -- was way worse than Trump. But he had decorum so who cares?

Neo-cons are now backing Joe Biden and the Democratic Party. You love to see It folks! :circle:
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Post by Kublai Khan » May 13th, 2020, 7:57 pm

Dolwphin wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 7:53 pm
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Also someone chatted about it in another forum, and looking it up I'd have to agree. Dick Cheney is worse than Trump, and everyone forgot about him already.
Bush -- now a Saint among Liberals -- was way worse than Trump.
I disagree with every part of this statement.
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Post by Dolwphin » May 13th, 2020, 7:59 pm

Obama perfectly captures the absurdity of the US system:

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Post by Dolwphin » May 13th, 2020, 8:17 pm

Kublai Khan wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 7:57 pm
Dolwphin wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 7:53 pm
Pretentious Hipster wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 6:27 pm
Also someone chatted about it in another forum, and looking it up I'd have to agree. Dick Cheney is worse than Trump, and everyone forgot about him already.
Bush -- now a Saint among Liberals -- was way worse than Trump.
I disagree with every part of this statement.
He has been praised and rehabilitated by Liberals. He was "presidential", had "empathy" and other non-policy areas have been celebrated.

He was objectively worse. He first stole the presidency In Florida 2000. Then he exploited 9/11 to launch Illegal wars, torture and surveillance programs. Etc. I don't know what you would point to, to argue that Trump Is definitely worse than Bush was.
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Post by Kublai Khan » May 13th, 2020, 10:10 pm

Dolwphin wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 8:17 pm
Kublai Khan wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 7:57 pm
Dolwphin wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 7:53 pm
Bush -- now a Saint among Liberals -- was way worse than Trump.
I disagree with every part of this statement.
He has been praised and rehabilitated by Liberals. He was "presidential", had "empathy" and other non-policy areas have been celebrated.

He was objectively worse. He first stole the presidency In Florida 2000. Then he exploited 9/11 to launch Illegal wars, torture and surveillance programs. Etc. I don't know what you would point to, to argue that Trump Is definitely worse than Bush was.
Because Trump is definitely worse than Bush. To be clear, I detested President Dubya Bush. His policies were abhorrent and have had long-lasting implication that continue today.

But, at no point during his horrible 8 years did I get the impression that he was actively working against me. However misguided his policies were, he seems to actually believe he was doing it for the US country. He didn't believe the press was the enemy or that liberals had to be "won against" or that white supremacists were "very fine people". He didn't regularly tweet insults either generally or personally. All the ethics experts didn't quit within the first year of his presidency. Bush didn't serve McDonalds to invited guests at the White House. Bush didn't get his intelligence from watching Fox News and OANN. He didn't start trade wars against our allies and salute North Korean generals. Bush didn't tweet out sensitive info and meet secretly with Russians with specifically no recording equipment. Bush didn't insult our intelligence by drawing on a weather map with a sharpie. The list goes on and on...

Bush had terrible policies, he listened to advisers with questionable interests, and faked a dumb speech affectation. But he respected his office and people that disagreed with him. He didn't actively try to set American against American every fucking day like Trump does.

tl;dr - I dislike them both, but Trump is much worse. :angry:
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Post by Pretentious Hipster » May 13th, 2020, 10:21 pm

I dunno, I think taking Reagan's Middle Eastern chaos one step further, destroying a continent, and being responsible for killing who the fuck knows but wikipedia averages it out to 650,000 people, is kind of worse than sharpies, mcdonalds and listening to propaganda.

Besides, those are "high class" reasons for hating Trump. You could have mentioned the Muslim Ban, or the concentration camps, or the trans military ban.

This comes across as someone who doesn't give a fuck about marginalized people.
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Post by Dolwphin » May 13th, 2020, 10:35 pm

Kublai Khan wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 10:10 pm
Dolwphin wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 8:17 pm
Kublai Khan wrote:
May 13th, 2020, 7:57 pm

I disagree with every part of this statement.
He has been praised and rehabilitated by Liberals. He was "presidential", had "empathy" and other non-policy areas have been celebrated.

He was objectively worse. He first stole the presidency In Florida 2000. Then he exploited 9/11 to launch Illegal wars, torture and surveillance programs. Etc. I don't know what you would point to, to argue that Trump Is definitely worse than Bush was.
Because Trump is definitely worse than Bush. To be clear, I detested President Dubya Bush. His policies were abhorrent and have had long-lasting implication that continue today.

But, at no point during his horrible 8 years did I get the impression that he was actively working against me. However misguided his policies were, he seems to actually believe he was doing it for the US country. He didn't believe the press was the enemy or that liberals had to be "won against" or that white supremacists were "very fine people". He didn't regularly tweet insults either generally or personally. All the ethics experts didn't quit within the first year of his presidency. Bush didn't serve McDonalds to invited guests at the White House. Bush didn't get his intelligence from watching Fox News and OANN. He didn't start trade wars against our allies and salute North Korean generals. Bush didn't tweet out sensitive info and meet secretly with Russians with specifically no recording equipment. Bush didn't insult our intelligence by drawing on a weather map with a sharpie. The list goes on and on...

Bush had terrible policies, he listened to advisers with questionable interests, and faked a dumb speech affectation. But he respected his office and people that disagreed with him. He didn't actively try to set American against American every fucking day like Trump does.

tl;dr - I dislike them both, but Trump is much worse. :angry:
It seems you operate from a different framework and value different things than I. Much of what you mentions above is quite inconsequential and concerns Trump as an individual. Anyhow, agree to disagree I guess.
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Post by kongs_speech » May 13th, 2020, 10:38 pm

So far, Bush's policies are more harmful, but Trump is a much worse person. Fuck Bush super hard, but at least he believed what he was doing was right. Trump doesn't give half a fuck about anyone else and just wants power. If he could execute people who disagree with him, he'd probably do it.
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Post by Kublai Khan » May 13th, 2020, 10:49 pm

No, you're right. My mind wasn't particularly on policies. Just as a person. How he represent the united states to the world. As a person, he's completely incompetent and just.. damaged. Infantile.

The type of damage that Trump is doing is all long-term damage. Faith in government institutions is eroded beyond measure. The Covid-19 response and hurricane responses are a symbol of his legacy of what he wants government to be. Government is now fundamentally unable to predict and prevent problems, much less muster any kind of reactive solution to problems (both human and natural) and we apparently have to depend on corporations doing stuff for the purpose of PR and marketing. Consumer and environmental protections are eroded and will require tremendous energy and will and fight just to get back to Bush-level.

The muslim ban and trans military rights executive orders will get repealed. But the fact that the US now has very little ability to negotiate international deals after Trump pulls out of stuff like the Paris Accord or the Iran nuclear deal.
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Post by Pretentious Hipster » May 13th, 2020, 10:55 pm

That's what I find so disappointing. Just ignore Trump's policies or his personality for a second. I do elite bashing too, but for some reason the people thought that a celebrity billionaire is someone who represents the working class. And, look what happened. The billionaires got even more tax breaks and are at their best and most powerful now.

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Post by sebby » May 14th, 2020, 9:33 am

It's too soon to weigh Bush/Cheney vs Trump. Much of the Trump damage won't be properly weighed until a decade from now.

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » May 14th, 2020, 7:54 pm

I'm sad. Joshua Collins was my favourite US politician but when talking to political commentators he was a bumbling idiot. It was so bad it ruined his campaign and he deleted his social media accounts.

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 15th, 2020, 10:55 pm

St. Gloede wrote:
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I think it was always clear that blue lives only matter more than black lives matter.
Blue lives matter the least in America. Being in the police takes 20 years off your life expectancy.

Everyone deserves compassion, black people, blue people, whoever.

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Post by Knaldskalle » May 16th, 2020, 12:15 am

matthewscott8 wrote:
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St. Gloede wrote:
May 1st, 2020, 8:51 pm
I think it was always clear that blue lives only matter more than black lives matter.
Blue lives matter the least in America. Being in the police takes 20 years off your life expectancy.

Everyone deserves compassion, black people, blue people, whoever.
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