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Post by Knaldskalle » March 19th, 2020, 3:44 pm

St. Gloede wrote:
March 19th, 2020, 1:58 pm

:facepalm:

Seems like the Dems are hellbent on getting Trump reelected.
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Post by Cocoa » March 19th, 2020, 7:05 pm

You generally shouldn't listen to people that say Trump (or the Republican Party) is to the left of *insert Democrat here*


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Post by Cippenham » March 19th, 2020, 9:11 pm

Bernie is not really left in. Just staying to earn more money for whoever can be chosen in place of Biden at the convention

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Post by brokenface » March 19th, 2020, 9:54 pm

Dolwphin wrote:
March 19th, 2020, 3:30 pm
Tulsi Gabbard drops out of the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries and caucuses. 2 candidates left.
and in the end she endorses Biden. She was a pretty strange candidate all in all!

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » March 19th, 2020, 9:56 pm

brokenface wrote:
March 19th, 2020, 9:54 pm
Dolwphin wrote:
March 19th, 2020, 3:30 pm
Tulsi Gabbard drops out of the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries and caucuses. 2 candidates left.
and in the end she endorses Biden. She was a pretty strange candidate all in all!
My guess is she's trying to be vp since Biden committed to have a woman vp


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Post by Onderhond » March 19th, 2020, 10:00 pm

Cocoa wrote:
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You generally shouldn't listen to people that say Trump (or the Republican Party) is to the left of *insert Democrat here* Twitter
ftfy!

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Post by Dolwphin » March 19th, 2020, 10:04 pm

Cocoa wrote:
March 19th, 2020, 7:05 pm
You generally shouldn't listen to people that say Trump (or the Republican Party) is to the left of *insert Democrat here*

Yes, but the objective reality is not relevant. It is ALL about rhetoric & certain actions that could be twisted to fit that rhetoric. Trump's Rust Belt strategy was obviously superior to Clinton's failed centrist gambit that targeted phantom moderate Republicans.
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Post by St. Gloede » March 19th, 2020, 10:38 pm

Cocoa wrote:
March 19th, 2020, 7:05 pm
You generally shouldn't listen to people that say Trump (or the Republican Party) is to the left of *insert Democrat here*

Why not?

When Republicans push policies to the left of the Democrats, and this is objective reality, it shouldn't be ignored.

Doesn't mean all/most Democrats are to the left of all/most Republicans overall, but as both parties are to the right of essentially every major political party in the world it really doesn't matter much.

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Post by brokenface » March 19th, 2020, 10:43 pm

Pretentious Hipster wrote:
March 19th, 2020, 9:56 pm
brokenface wrote:
March 19th, 2020, 9:54 pm
Dolwphin wrote:
March 19th, 2020, 3:30 pm
Tulsi Gabbard drops out of the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries and caucuses. 2 candidates left.
and in the end she endorses Biden. She was a pretty strange candidate all in all!
My guess is she's trying to be vp since Biden committed to have a woman vp
But why on earth would Biden pick her? It'd be like McCain-Palin.

From my years of experience watching US political dramas, the best she could've traded her endorsement for is a half-decent ambassadorship

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » March 19th, 2020, 10:47 pm

brokenface wrote:
March 19th, 2020, 10:43 pm
Pretentious Hipster wrote:
March 19th, 2020, 9:56 pm
brokenface wrote:
March 19th, 2020, 9:54 pm


and in the end she endorses Biden. She was a pretty strange candidate all in all!
My guess is she's trying to be vp since Biden committed to have a woman vp
But why on earth would Biden pick her? It'd be like McCain-Palin.

From my years of experience watching US political dramas, the best she could've traded her endorsement for is a half-decent ambassadorship
I dunno. Yang wasn't a serious contender either and according to him he heavily implied that Biden promised him the vp position.

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Post by Cocoa » March 19th, 2020, 10:49 pm

St. Gloede wrote:
March 19th, 2020, 10:38 pm
Cocoa wrote:
March 19th, 2020, 7:05 pm
You generally shouldn't listen to people that say Trump (or the Republican Party) is to the left of *insert Democrat here*

Why not?

When Republicans push policies to the left of the Democrats, and this is objective reality, it shouldn't be ignored.

Doesn't mean all/most Democrats are to the left of all/most Republicans overall, but as both parties are to the right of essentially every major political party in the world it really doesn't matter much.
Most of the time when it's said, the Republican in question is not to the left of the Democrat in question. We saw this in 2016 when certain people said Trump was to the left of Hillary which is a lie.

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Post by Cocoa » March 19th, 2020, 10:51 pm

Tulsi Gabbard and now Kirsten Gillibrand have endorsed Joe Biden today.




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Post by Dolwphin » March 19th, 2020, 10:59 pm

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » March 19th, 2020, 11:00 pm

The silver lining with what Trump is doing is that it shows socialism works. The bad news about it is that Americans are gonna vote for someone who's far right. I'm sure he'll find a way to fuck over people with it in the end, like taxing the working class to compensate for the checks he'll give out.

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Post by St. Gloede » March 19th, 2020, 11:07 pm

Cocoa wrote:
March 19th, 2020, 10:49 pm
St. Gloede wrote:
March 19th, 2020, 10:38 pm
Cocoa wrote:
March 19th, 2020, 7:05 pm
You generally shouldn't listen to people that say Trump (or the Republican Party) is to the left of *insert Democrat here*

Why not?

When Republicans push policies to the left of the Democrats, and this is objective reality, it shouldn't be ignored.

Doesn't mean all/most Democrats are to the left of all/most Republicans overall, but as both parties are to the right of essentially every major political party in the world it really doesn't matter much.
Most of the time when it's said, the Republican in question is not to the left of the Democrat in question. We saw this in 2016 when certain people said Trump was to the left of Hillary which is a lie.
It is usually referring to specific policies and used as a rhetorical tool, but I agree that it can be seen/presented as a more universal statement, and you are right, it is good to call that out.

Re: Trump vs. Clinton - On many issues he positioned himself to her left, including trade, war and corruption. He was hugely dishonest in his rhetoric of course, and contradicting himself consistently, but if taken face value on his most left leaning rhetoric, he would have been left of Clinton.

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Post by St. Gloede » March 19th, 2020, 11:37 pm

To be fair, Political Compass is not necessarily 100% accurate, it always feels more like a fast glance than a thorough analysis, for instance:

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Notice how Gravel is placed to the extreme right, shocking oversight given how his platform specifically set out to be to Sanders' left at every point.

Similarly Gabbard and Sanders are shown to be identical.

Note, they later moved Gravel from far right to center left: https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020

Which is still really off, he is a self-identified Democratic Socialist and advocates for an NHS system, co-ops and direct democracy. Yet he is about as "Libertarian" as Sanders and Gabbard and to their right.

My guess is that they remembered he ran as a Libertarian (not knowing that the Libertarian party has both Left and Right Libertarians, though the former had likely been exiting for a while).

As such their scores would likely be based on semi-informed guesswork and speculation.

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Post by Cocoa » March 20th, 2020, 1:36 am

It's been revealed today that two Republican Senators sold their stocks after a classified COVID-19 briefing. Basically, it's insider trading and violates the STOCK Act which bans members of Congress from using their access to non-public information for their own benefit.


https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2020/0 ... rus-031920

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sen-kelly ... s-briefing


There are other Senators as well who appear to have sold a bunch of stock in January, February, and March...

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Post by St. Gloede » March 20th, 2020, 6:08 am

Cocoa wrote:
March 20th, 2020, 1:36 am
It's been revealed today that two Republican Senators sold their stocks after a classified COVID-19 briefing. Basically, it's insider trading and violates the STOCK Act which bans members of Congress from using their access to non-public information for their own benefit.


https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2020/0 ... rus-031920

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sen-kelly ... s-briefing


There are other Senators as well who appear to have sold a bunch of stock in January, February, and March...
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

And as always, no reprecussions.


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Post by Kublai Khan » March 20th, 2020, 5:43 pm



Wow, Trump is really terrible at being a President. The NBC dude lobbed him the softest of softball questions. "What would you say to reassure Americans?" and Trump completely whiffs it and attacks. What a terrible "leader".

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In case you thought Trump was just off-handedly calling the corona virus the "Chinese Virus", this tweet shows that it's a deliberate political messaging.

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Post by Cippenham » March 20th, 2020, 7:49 pm

Trump is great at being president, his approval ratings have soared. He is doing the right thing at the right time. The virus is Chinese In that it originally started in China so that is correct.
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Post by OldAle1 » March 20th, 2020, 7:50 pm

He really is intent on making us the pariah of the (sane) world, isn't he? I assume that he believes that somehow this is a) going to get him more votes and b) net him more income. a) is unfortunately probably true, not sure I see how b) is working yet.

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Post by Cippenham » March 20th, 2020, 7:51 pm

He is intent on getting more votes and will do so if the election goes ahead. If it doesn’t Nancy Pelosi could be acting President if fit enough.

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Post by Kublai Khan » March 20th, 2020, 9:23 pm

Cippenham wrote:
March 20th, 2020, 7:49 pm
Trump is great at being president, his approval ratings have soared. He is doing the right thing at the right time. The virus is Chinese In that it originally started in China so that is correct.
You're just a gainsaying troll at this point.

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Post by Armoreska » March 20th, 2020, 9:43 pm

I have one question. Is there anything stopping Republicans from voting in Democratic primaries for the easiest candidate to beat?
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Post by Armoreska » March 20th, 2020, 9:45 pm

Kublai Khan wrote:
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In case you thought Trump was just off-handedly calling the corona virus the "Chinese Virus", this tweet shows that it's a deliberate political messaging.
Yeah I call it the new meat eater virus :lol:
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Post by Cippenham » March 20th, 2020, 9:52 pm

What i wrote about Trump is correct however. Normally he will the election as most of you realise.

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Post by Kublai Khan » March 20th, 2020, 10:27 pm

Cippenham wrote:
March 20th, 2020, 9:52 pm
What i wrote about Trump is correct however. Normally he will the election as most of you realise.
Weren't you the guy who kept insisting over and over that Hillary would enter the race and win the nomination? Why are you assuming that you have any credibility?

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Post by Cocoa » March 20th, 2020, 10:35 pm

Armoreska wrote:
March 20th, 2020, 9:43 pm
I have one question. Is there anything stopping Republicans from voting in Democratic primaries for the easiest candidate to beat?
Different states have different rules when it comes to voting in a primary(/caucus). Some states have open primaries and some have closed primaries. In open primaries, a person is asked which party ballot s/he wants and it's easy for a Republican to vote in a Democratic primary. In closed primary states, the person is simply given the ballot of which party s/he is registered to, which makes it harder for a Republican to vote in a Democratic primary as there are rules and deadlines for registration/switching parties.

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Post by brokenface » March 20th, 2020, 10:55 pm

Kublai Khan wrote:
March 20th, 2020, 5:43 pm
Wow, Trump is really terrible at being a President. The NBC dude lobbed him the softest of softball questions. "What would you say to reassure Americans?" and Trump completely whiffs it and attacks. What a terrible "leader".
He is a festering sore in human form.

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Post by GruesomeTwosome » March 20th, 2020, 11:00 pm

Kublai Khan wrote:
March 20th, 2020, 10:27 pm
Cippenham wrote:
March 20th, 2020, 9:52 pm
What i wrote about Trump is correct however. Normally he will the election as most of you realise.
Weren't you the guy who kept insisting over and over that Hillary would enter the race and win the nomination? Why are you assuming that you have any credibility?
He still sort of thinks that will happen. Or at least what he’s been repeating over and over lately (he loves doing that) is that Biden will step down at the convention and someone else will actually be chosen as the Democratic nominee. And I think it’s still Hillary that he has in mind, lol. Man, it’s been 4 years and right-wingers are STILL obsessed with her.
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Post by Cippenham » March 20th, 2020, 11:12 pm

Kublai Khan wrote:
March 20th, 2020, 10:27 pm
Cippenham wrote:
March 20th, 2020, 9:52 pm
What i wrote about Trump is correct however. Normally he will the election as most of you realise.
Weren't you the guy who kept insisting over and over that Hillary would enter the race and win the nomination? Why are you assuming that you have any credibility?
What if Biden is deemed unacceptable due to his age and health or has health issues , the Democrats would have o find someone . I don’t say it would be Hillary but they would look for someone . H A Goodman says it would be Madam Cyber Hack yes.



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Post by Kublai Khan » March 21st, 2020, 2:16 am

Cippenham wrote:
March 20th, 2020, 11:12 pm
Kublai Khan wrote:
March 20th, 2020, 10:27 pm
Cippenham wrote:
March 20th, 2020, 9:52 pm
What i wrote about Trump is correct however. Normally he will the election as most of you realise.
Weren't you the guy who kept insisting over and over that Hillary would enter the race and win the nomination? Why are you assuming that you have any credibility?
What if Biden is deemed unacceptable due to his age and health or has health issues , the Democrats would have o find someone . I don’t say it would be Hillary but they would look for someone . H A Goodman says it would be Madam Cyber Hack yes.
H A Goodman? I checked his twitter and all his tweets are in all caps like he's a lunatic shouting at a street corner and the content is just as loony. He thinks Seth Rich was murdered by Clinton and that the Russian don't hack.

Why do you willingly believe obviously wrong information?

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Post by Cippenham » March 21st, 2020, 3:28 am

Kublai Khan wrote:
March 21st, 2020, 2:16 am
Cippenham wrote:
March 20th, 2020, 11:12 pm
Kublai Khan wrote:
March 20th, 2020, 10:27 pm

Weren't you the guy who kept insisting over and over that Hillary would enter the race and win the nomination? Why are you assuming that you have any credibility?
What if Biden is deemed unacceptable due to his age and health or has health issues , the Democrats would have o find someone . I don’t say it would be Hillary but they would look for someone . H A Goodman says it would be Madam Cyber Hack yes.
H A Goodman? I checked his twitter and all his tweets are in all caps like he's a lunatic shouting at a street corner and the content is just as loony. He thinks Seth Rich was murdered by Clinton and that the Russian don't hack.

Why do you willingly believe obviously wrong information?
He is Not on Twitter so that is fake mock account, that fooled you :rolleyes:

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Post by Kublai Khan » March 21st, 2020, 3:35 am

Cippenham wrote:
March 21st, 2020, 3:28 am
Kublai Khan wrote:
March 21st, 2020, 2:16 am
Cippenham wrote:
March 20th, 2020, 11:12 pm


What if Biden is deemed unacceptable due to his age and health or has health issues , the Democrats would have o find someone . I don’t say it would be Hillary but they would look for someone . H A Goodman says it would be Madam Cyber Hack yes.
H A Goodman? I checked his twitter and all his tweets are in all caps like he's a lunatic shouting at a street corner and the content is just as loony. He thinks Seth Rich was murdered by Clinton and that the Russian don't hack.

Why do you willingly believe obviously wrong information?
He is Not on Twitter so that is fake mock account, that fooled you :rolleyes:
Fair enough. Apologies.

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