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Post by Dolwphin » February 8th, 2020, 3:13 am

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Omg why do they all hate free healthcare, even calling it forcing upon others and authoritarian. Fuck American politicians.
They are Liberals who favors the concept of negative liberty over positive liberty or liberty from dominance. The whole notion of "choice" is very toxic though.
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Post by Dolwphin » February 8th, 2020, 3:39 am

Amy have won 8/8 Democratic Primary Debates according to legacy media. SLAY QUEEN.

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Post by Dolwphin » February 8th, 2020, 4:38 pm

Apparently, Pete gets +2 Pledged delegates if the errors in the results are not corrected. What a JOKE. Should be 13-13 in pledged delegates.
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Post by Dolwphin » February 8th, 2020, 6:18 pm

Amazing ad, Biden totally destroyed Mayor Pete.

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Post by Dolwphin » February 8th, 2020, 8:10 pm

Moderators also owned vapid Mayor Pete.

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Post by Dolwphin » February 8th, 2020, 11:55 pm

NH RCP Poll Average.

Sanders - 26.4 %
Pete - 22.2 %
Joe - 12.6 %
Warren - 12.2 %

Undecided - 8.4 %

Amy - 7.4 %
Gabbard - 4.0 %
Yang - 3.4 %
Steyer - 2.8 %
Bennet - 0.6 %
Patrick - 0.3 %
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Post by Pretentious Hipster » February 9th, 2020, 1:04 am

http://www.mayopete.io/

EDIT: If we can't polarize on where to die the line, I hope we can polarize who should die the line. I believe that should be African American voters.

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » February 9th, 2020, 1:11 am

OMG He's STILL supporting this policy he made like 12 months ago?

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Post by Dolwphin » February 9th, 2020, 2:01 am

Abolish the caucuses!

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Post by Dolwphin » February 9th, 2020, 2:07 am

1. Krystal Ball asked who she should follow for insights about Iowa before the caucus took place. Glenn Greenwald answered @Taniel. My reaction at the time: never heard about that dude before, doesn't seem very notable.

2. The caucuses melts down. @Taniel start deconstruct everything as it happens.

3. WOW. Glenn was right AGAIN!
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Post by Dolwphin » February 9th, 2020, 2:34 am

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Abolish the caucuses!

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Post by Dolwphin » February 9th, 2020, 5:24 am

Can Biden survive finishing #5 in NH?

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Post by St. Gloede » February 9th, 2020, 10:18 am

Dolwphin wrote:
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Abolish the caucuses!
To me caucuses actually seem like a more democratic than the norm, and very refreshing way to organize a democracy, as voters can talk/organize, and get the chance to change votes away from candidates that will not get the necessary percentages, etc. Essentially everyone has a greater chance to get their voice heard and it places people with different opinions in the same room to exchange ideas.

The issue mainly seems to be the reporting system (funded by Pete's campaign), not anything else (oh, and the always dirty DNC of course).

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Post by Dolwphin » February 9th, 2020, 3:35 pm

St. Gloede wrote:
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Abolish the caucuses!
To me caucuses actually seem like a more democratic than the norm, and very refreshing way to organize a democracy, as voters can talk/organize, and get the chance to change votes away from candidates that will not get the necessary percentages, etc. Essentially everyone has a greater chance to get their voice heard and it places people with different opinions in the same room to exchange ideas.

The issue mainly seems to be the reporting system (funded by Pete's campaign), not anything else (oh, and the always dirty DNC of course).
You have a point about deliberation and engagement. However a) caucuses suppresses turnout because they are cumbersome. b) no voter privacy, everybody sees who you vote for; e.g. your boss or abusive spouse. c) although satellite caucuses tried to ameliorate it, many workers can't participate because they must work.
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Post by Dolwphin » February 9th, 2020, 3:40 pm

Warren's eventual pledged delegate would be taken from Pete.

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Post by peeptoad » February 9th, 2020, 4:15 pm

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Post by OldAle1 » February 9th, 2020, 4:45 pm

St. Gloede wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 10:18 am
Dolwphin wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 2:01 am
Abolish the caucuses!
To me caucuses actually seem like a more democratic than the norm, and very refreshing way to organize a democracy, as voters can talk/organize, and get the chance to change votes away from candidates that will not get the necessary percentages, etc. Essentially everyone has a greater chance to get their voice heard and it places people with different opinions in the same room to exchange ideas.

The issue mainly seems to be the reporting system (funded by Pete's campaign), not anything else (oh, and the always dirty DNC of course).
The issue THIS time is the reporting system, sure, but caucuses in practice are not as democratic as you make them out to be - unlike primaries* they take up a big chunk of time and you can't do mail-in or any other kind of voting - you have to commit to being there. At night. In Iowa. In the winter. So turnout is never very high and the problems for voters in elections generally - the poor, handicapped, or people with massively busy schedules just aren't able to participate. In practice this typically means you have lots of seniors with time on their hands but still in good enough condition to go out at night, not really representative of the population as a whole (well, more so in Iowa to be fair than in some other states).

The idea of caucuses as you present them is wonderful and we need more people interacting in this way, but I'm afraid it just doesn't tend to lead to more participation and if anything alienates many of those who care and are interested but don't have the time or energy to spend on it. All of this could be mediated if we had holidays for caucuses (and primaries, and general elections), if we made real efforts to allow everybody time to vote and if we actually tried to inform people, but that has no chance of happening any time soon.

*I've never had to spend more than 10-15 minutes voting in a primary, and I'd imagine that's true for the vast majority of people - only a small subset of general election voters bother to vote in primaries, it's usually in-and-out very quickly, no lines. Possibly some folks, particularly in big cities, have a different story.

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Post by St. Gloede » February 9th, 2020, 7:12 pm

Yes, very fair points.

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Post by Dolwphin » February 9th, 2020, 9:42 pm

Nothing to see here folks.

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Post by OldAle1 » February 10th, 2020, 2:24 pm

Scary shit here (or cool shit if you're Cipp I suppose)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/laura-loo ... o-congress

The headline apart from this horrible person actually running and perhaps having a good chance of winning a seat (don't know anything about that district so can't guess at the chances) is that Trumpism isn't exclusively a disease of the elderly. Not that people don't know that but I think a lot of folks on the left or center, even some so-called "moderate" Reps believe that the youth of the country are changing it decisively to make it less racist, sexist, homophobic etc. Well, maybe, maybe not. At my family reunion in the summer of 2016 in northern Wisconsin there was some talk of politics and at that time people still mostly thought Trump wasn't going to win, that this was an aberration. I'd guess probably 2/3 of my family overall did not vote for him and many of those were appalled by him and continue to be. But there were a few people singing the praises (no MAGA hats at the time) and the most ardent cheerleader was this 20ish blonde very pretty young woman who was the girlfriend of one of the younger dudes in the family - don't think they stayed together so I won't have to see her again but point is she very much as I remember was full of the Trump party line and was clearly a deeply, deeply bigoted and angry person. And fairly well educated - if I remember she was in a Masters or PhD program in a scientific field. So I think the signs have been pointing to this being a deep-rooted cancer that isn't going to go away even if we kill the main tumor in November. And if we're not even willing to look at the experimental treatments I think the patient is probably done for.

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Post by Dolwphin » February 10th, 2020, 3:18 pm

Apparently IDP have "corrected" 50 precincts, not all 95 It claimed It would release results for simultaneously. Pete now leads by 2.774 SDE, that Is +1.259 SDE. He has, as of now, been allocated +2 pledged delegates, despite losing the popular vote by over 2000 votes.
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Post by Dolwphin » February 10th, 2020, 3:35 pm

Laughable.

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Post by Knaldskalle » February 10th, 2020, 3:50 pm

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Laughable.

When lawyers meet math... :huh:

It's up there with Indiana declaring Pi = 4 and Malcolm Turnbull saying the laws of Australia supercede the laws of mathematics.
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Post by Dolwphin » February 10th, 2020, 3:59 pm

At least Sanders won the popular vote, even if the arcane system ultimately results in a virtual SDE tie.

Sanders have 6 % lead in NH. Hope that is enough to overcome the "incompetence".
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Post by sebby » February 10th, 2020, 4:36 pm

If they brazenly steal NH the way they did Iowa then I think it's fair to say Bernie has no chance to get the nom.

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » February 10th, 2020, 4:41 pm

I swear to fucking god if Peter gets the nominee then it's clear that there needs to be a proletariat revolution because the elite is too powerful and the average american voter is too stupid.

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Post by OldAle1 » February 10th, 2020, 4:41 pm

Who in the DNC - after 2016's loss, and 2018's huge wins for people like AOC, actually really and truly believes that the best way to beat DJT is to stomp on the progressives first?

But hey, maybe they have a point. Maybe the Biden/Buttigieg bros won't vote for Bernie. And the Bernie bros won't vote for Biden/Buttigieg. And too many men won't vote for a woman.

Maybe the Democratic Party doesn't need Trump to implode all on it's own. That's one area where the pundits all seem to agree and unfortunately history is with them.

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » February 10th, 2020, 4:42 pm

If Joshua Collins doesn't win congress then all hope is lost.

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