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Post by Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal » March 28th, 2019, 11:20 pm

Hopefully this thread is helping people clarify their positions for themselves because it's not changing anyone's voting intentions.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » March 28th, 2019, 11:24 pm

This thread is full of people who aren't voting (because they're not US citizens).

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Post by Cocoa » March 29th, 2019, 12:07 am

There are probably more non-Americans posting in this thread lately than Americans.

I'm excited that Amy Klobuchar released her first gigantic policy plan today that she's running on (l) The four female senators all are running on great policies.



Repair and replace our roads, highways, and bridges.
Provide protection against flooding and update and modernize our airports, seaports and inland waterways.
Expand reliable public transit options and update rail infrastructure.
Rebuild our schools and overhaul our country’s housing policy.
Connect every household to the internet by 2022.
Build Climate Smart and Green infrastructure.
Ensure Clean Water

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Post by xianjiro » March 29th, 2019, 1:52 am

Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal wrote:
March 28th, 2019, 11:20 pm
Hopefully this thread is helping people clarify their positions for themselves because it's not changing anyone's voting intentions.
:poshclap:

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Post by Knaldskalle » March 29th, 2019, 5:48 am

Cocoa wrote:
March 29th, 2019, 12:07 am
Connect every household to the internet by 2022.
Not going to happen.
Personal film goals for 2019.
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Post by xianjiro » March 29th, 2019, 7:55 am

Knaldskalle wrote:
March 29th, 2019, 5:48 am
Cocoa wrote:
March 29th, 2019, 12:07 am
Connect every household to the internet by 2022.
Not going to happen.
:mw_confused: You mean it's not feasible to run fiber optic line (or provide a satellite hookup) to that family living on a lake north of the Arctic Circle? You know, where they land their plane on the water and there are no roads?

Actually, I'm wondering how difficult it would be to connect people via satellite when laying line makes no sense. I'm also thinking about those ranch families way outside of town down there in your neck of the tumbleweed forest. (Damn Russians and their Russian Thistles all to Maduro's Venezuela! :yucky: )

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Post by Cippenham » March 29th, 2019, 11:25 am

Well I would prefer a proper conservative like Mike Pence. It doesn’t matter if Trump should resign, I don’t think he will. People voted for him although many knew what he was like from tv. His policies are good except he is not going to pay off debt.

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Post by Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal » March 29th, 2019, 12:50 pm

Chuck Schumer Throws Ilhan Under The Bus In Gross AIPAC Speech


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Post by Kublai Khan » March 29th, 2019, 6:37 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
March 28th, 2019, 11:24 pm
This thread is full of people who aren't voting (because they're not US citizens).
Yeah, this. Cipp's posts bother me because he doesn't live here and only reads right-leaning news. I don't think he's trolling, but he's as useful to the world as a Mallard Fillmore comic.

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Post by Kublai Khan » March 29th, 2019, 6:39 pm

Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal wrote:
March 28th, 2019, 11:20 pm
Hopefully this thread is helping people clarify their positions for themselves because it's not changing anyone's voting intentions.
Well, the Democratic primaries campaigns are up and running and people are talking about them. So you're kinda wrong about that.

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Post by Kublai Khan » March 29th, 2019, 6:53 pm

Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 10:16 am
2020 will be a redux of 2016. The pseudo socialist Bernie Sanders will be snubbed by MSNBC and CNN, Tulsi's message about non-interventionism will barely be mentioned, and any talk about Medicare-For-All will be dismissed as a pipedream. No matter how much liberals say they hate Trump they love being affluent more, and will not allow anything to threaten their wealth.'
Rebuttals:

1) Sanders consistently got the most favorable coverage during the 2016 election. By quite a bit.
2) Tulsi's non-interventionism is known, but she's a terrible candidate who is now cheering the lack of Trump indictment because "it would have led to another Civil War"
3) Medicare-For-All is not a pipe dream, but is definitely unrealistic as long as Republicans have a stick up their ass about helping anyone poor. (See Obama's presidency for info)
4) Yeah, Trump was barely able to pass his permanent tax cuts for the affluent despite all those liberals helping him out. (sarcasm, btw).

You're one of those strange "Democrats" that is way more committed to attacking other Democrats and liberals than Trump, Republicans, or conservatives.

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Post by Cocoa » March 29th, 2019, 7:19 pm



We can now expect "racist" to appear more often in news headlines. (l) Thanks AP



Also, Jay Inslee becomes the third presidential candidate to release at least ten years of tax returns (Gillibrand and Warren have been vocal on releasing tax returns. Gillibrand is also the first to release her tax returns for 2018. It's now been over a month since Sanders said he would release them "soon" while at a CNN Town Hall).



I don't know which candidate will have the worst take on the Mueller report, but I think this could be it.

The actual Mueller report is supposedly being released mid-April


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Post by GruesomeTwosome » March 29th, 2019, 7:54 pm

That’s perfect that the default still shot of that Tulsi tweet/video has “with the Russians” on it. :lol:

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Post by Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal » March 29th, 2019, 9:06 pm

Kublai Khan wrote:
March 29th, 2019, 6:53 pm
Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 10:16 am
2020 will be a redux of 2016. The pseudo socialist Bernie Sanders will be snubbed by MSNBC and CNN, Tulsi's message about non-interventionism will barely be mentioned, and any talk about Medicare-For-All will be dismissed as a pipedream. No matter how much liberals say they hate Trump they love being affluent more, and will not allow anything to threaten their wealth.'
Rebuttals:

1) Sanders consistently got the most favorable coverage during the 2016 election. By quite a bit.
2) Tulsi's non-interventionism is known, but she's a terrible candidate who is now cheering the lack of Trump indictment because "it would have led to another Civil War"
3) Medicare-For-All is not a pipe dream, but is definitely unrealistic as long as Republicans have a stick up their ass about helping anyone poor. (See Obama's presidency for info)
4) Yeah, Trump was barely able to pass his permanent tax cuts for the affluent despite all those liberals helping him out. (sarcasm, btw).

You're one of those strange "Democrats" that is way more committed to attacking other Democrats and liberals than Trump, Republicans, or conservatives.
Actually what I posted was a quote. Hence the quotation marks. I was interested in hearing people's responses to it. However I was in fierce agreement with his comment about liberals loving affluence more than they hate Trump.


'You're one of those strange "Democrats" that is way more committed to attacking other Democrats and liberals than Trump, Republicans, or conservative'

That's because neoliberal Democrats aren't centrist enough for my liking. Plus we're currently going through the process of selecting the Democratic candidate. Once the candidate is nominated I'll turn my attention to supporting them and attacking Trump IF they're any good. If another shill like Clinton gets nominated they can stick it up their ass.

I remember hearing a story about how a newly elected politician was being shown around the parliamentry chamber by an older colleague. The new guy looked across the chamber and said 'So that's where the enemy sits.' His colleague replied 'No. They're just the opposition Your enemies are behind you'.

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Post by Cippenham » March 29th, 2019, 10:18 pm

Trump can be influenced, he announced funding for the Great Lakes and the Special Olympics reversing previous decisions.

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Post by Cocoa » March 30th, 2019, 1:09 am

Cippenham wrote:
March 29th, 2019, 10:18 pm
Trump can be influenced, he announced funding for the Great Lakes and the Special Olympics reversing previous decisions.
Trump isn't in charge of that. He creates a proposal for the budget, but Congress is the one that decides the actual budget.

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Post by Kublai Khan » March 30th, 2019, 2:10 am

Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal wrote:
March 29th, 2019, 9:06 pm
Actually what I posted was a quote. Hence the quotation marks. I was interested in hearing people's responses to it. However I was in fierce agreement with his comment about liberals loving affluence more than they hate Trump.
Okay I suspected that, but I didn't see any attribution so I thought maybe it was an errand quote mark. Who is it a quote from?
Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal wrote:
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That's because neoliberal Democrats aren't centrist enough for my liking. Plus we're currently going through the process of selecting the Democratic candidate. Once the candidate is nominated I'll turn my attention to supporting them and attacking Trump IF they're any good. If another shill like Clinton gets nominated they can stick it up their ass.
Fair enough.

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Post by Cocoa » March 30th, 2019, 2:12 am

This is simply gross. Trump's official campaign site is selling a shirt with Adam Schiff having a clown face and a pencil neck.

https://shop.donaldjtrump.com/products/ ... dition-tee

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Post by Kublai Khan » March 30th, 2019, 2:35 am

Cocoa wrote:
March 30th, 2019, 2:12 am
This is simply gross. Trump's official campaign site is selling a shirt with Adam Schiff having a clown face and a pencil neck.
"Why won't Democrats be more civil?" - Republicans.

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Post by xianjiro » March 30th, 2019, 3:50 am

Kublai Khan wrote:
March 30th, 2019, 2:35 am
Cocoa wrote:
March 30th, 2019, 2:12 am
This is simply gross. Trump's official campaign site is selling a shirt with Adam Schiff having a clown face and a pencil neck.
"Why won't Democrats be more civil?" - Republicans.
The DNC could always start selling t-shirts of a bum being swatted by a copy of Newsweek with Shithole's picture on the cover ...

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Post by Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal » March 30th, 2019, 5:04 am

Kublai Khan wrote:
March 30th, 2019, 2:10 am
Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal wrote:
March 29th, 2019, 9:06 pm
Actually what I posted was a quote. Hence the quotation marks. I was interested in hearing people's responses to it. However I was in fierce agreement with his comment about liberals loving affluence more than they hate Trump.
Okay I suspected that, but I didn't see any attribution so I thought maybe it was an errand quote mark. Who is it a quote from?
Some anonymous poster in the comments section of the Truthdig site.

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Post by Cippenham » March 30th, 2019, 9:46 pm

Ok I accept Hillary isn’t running. But although I didn’t like her she is head and shoulders way above the stature of any candidates the Democrats have now. After all she came mighty close to beating the great Donald.

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Post by Kublai Khan » March 30th, 2019, 10:12 pm

Ok I accept Cippenham isn’t trolling. But although I didn’t like him he is head and shoulders way above the stature of any posters the Republicans have now. After all he came mighty close to acknowledging Donald's many short-comings.

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Post by morrison-dylan-fan » March 31st, 2019, 2:21 am

Police records: Former Arizona Rep. David Stringer was accused of paying children for sex in 1983

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/pol ... 314009002/

Stringer resigns:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/28/us/d ... izona.html

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Post by Cippenham » March 31st, 2019, 4:28 pm

Thanks Kublai. 🤗 My sources say she is waiting to see how other candidates get on but could still run if she is asked to do it. Steve Bannon also says this, she still wants to be President.

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Post by 3eyes » March 31st, 2019, 4:36 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 12:27 am
Has this been mentioned before? Pete Buttigieg's language ability - he is "proficient" in Arabic, Dari, French, Italian, Maltese, Norwegian and Spanish - Gloede this is your guy should you decided to move to the USA and somehow become a citizen in the next 20 months. Oh and English of course for... EIGHT languages, seven more than most of our Presidents over the past century (and eight more than the current one). Unfortunately this will probably be seen as a liability by most Americans that learn about it...

https://heavy.com/news/2019/03/language ... can-speak/

Article claims that FDR was the last bilingual Pres - I thought Kennedy was a French speaker but maybe I - or the article - got that wrong.
As a fellow denizen of the St Joseph River valley, I love reading about Buttigieg - HIM I'm proud to call a homie, unlike.... He sounds like the sanest politician around, which also could be a liability. Wish he had a pronounceable name, though, and one less distortable. He could be a real asset to the dems / country in most any capacity. I say give him a few years....
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Post by OldAle1 » March 31st, 2019, 4:42 pm

Jefferson was quite fluent in French. There are probably other Presidents before FDR who were fluent in another language besides English, in part because we had more early Presidents who were from families that were only recently arrived in the new world - Martin Van Buren's father was Dutch for example so perhaps the future Pres grew up speaking that language as well? Also knowing a second language - usually French - used to be considered something that really educated people would need/want.

Buttigieg seems like a good guy, perhaps as good a choice as any but I'm not spending too much time thinking about it now - and I've got an election to vote in on Tuesday and really should be doing a little research for that.

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Post by Cocoa » March 31st, 2019, 6:41 pm

There were a few days this month in which Pete was my top pick. Now he's somewhere near my top 5-7. He can be a great empowering speaker as shown in his CNN Town Hall. However, he keeps talking about the 2016 election and... his rhetoric about Hillary's campaign, why people voted for Trump, how Obama is a centrist, etc. is just so wrong to me. As a member of the LGBTQ+ community, I love that we have a LGBTQ+ candidate running, but there are better LGBTQ+ allies running (Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand, etc.), while he's the gay that loves to eat at Chic-fil-a and talked about Pence being indecent only after he became Trump's VP (which ignores all the anti-LGBT agenda Pence did while governor of Indiana), so if I was voting based off identity politics then he wouldn't even be my first choice (u)

There are other candidates as well that speak multiple languages. Beto has spoken Spanish at his campaign rallies. Booker speaks Hebrew (and also speaks some Spanish). Gillibrand speaks Mandarin. There may be other examples as well for other candidates, I'm just listing the ones I know off the top of my head.

Pete is also acting like he's the only religious Democrat running which also bugs me. Warren taught Sunday school while Booker learned Hebrew for better religious understanding of his faith.

I love Pete and I hope he gets better at not being divisive, but if he continues with some of his rhetoric for the next several months then he will have no shot at my vote when I finally get to cast one. He's not going to win the nomination by going after Hillary's 2016 campaign and talking about how coastal America doesn't care about those living in the Midwest.

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Post by OldAle1 » March 31st, 2019, 7:33 pm

Which 3 Mexican countries are those, Friends at Fox? Taco Country, Salsa Country and Luchador Country? More likely Rapist Country, Drug Mule Country, and Too Lazy to Work Country. Next thing will be cutting off aid to the countries of Nambia, Paris and Rodmanistan I suppose.

Wonder what percentage of the Fox viewership even see the problem - or care if they see it.

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Post by Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal » March 31st, 2019, 11:15 pm

Kublai Khan wrote:
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It was probably all they could do to not call them spic countries.

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Post by xianjiro » April 1st, 2019, 12:01 am

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wonder if that means someone broke into the NoKo embassy in that Mexican country in Europe :think:

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Post by Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal » April 2nd, 2019, 9:39 am

Beto Roasted By Twitter Lefties After Serving Platitude Sandwich


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Post by Cocoa » April 2nd, 2019, 6:10 pm



North Carolina GOP continues to be a mess.

https://www.vox.com/2019/4/2/18291584/2 ... bolish-ice

Julián Castro's immigration policies he announced today that he's running on (l) idk how much people here care about the specifics, so I'm not going to go in-depth about it explaining all the details.



Amy Klobuchar becomes the fourth presidential candidate to release at least ten years of tax returns.

Also, a first quarter budgeting deadline for candidates occurred recently, so a few candidates are releasing their numbers. Harris and Pete released their numbers last night and Sanders released his this morning (Sanders: $18 million, Harris: $12 million, Pete: $7 million). I can't stand the pundits who are trying to discredit how well Harris did by saying Pete did better despite him raising less (they both did well), meanwhile there are pundits who are saying Sanders is the top contender even though he spent more against Hillary & lost and also money is not going to help much with voter outreach if everyone already recognizes your name.

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The deep-state have a sense of humor:
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Post by Cocoa » April 3rd, 2019, 1:01 am

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS! Chicago has elected Lori Lightfoot as our new mayor :party: First LGBtQ+ mayor of Chicago and first black woman mayor of Chicago.

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Post by xianjiro » April 3rd, 2019, 1:20 am

Thanks for sharing the Vox link above, Cocoa! And congrats on the new mayor - hope there are good times ahead!

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Post by Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal » April 3rd, 2019, 2:28 am

Dolwphin wrote:
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The deep-state have a sense of humor:
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The video I posted up thread was about that Beto tweet.

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Post by Cocoa » April 3rd, 2019, 3:05 am

Madison also elected its first LGBTQ+ mayor tonight, Satya Rhodes-Conway! (l) Today is National Out to Win Day so it's great that LGBTQ+ candidates are winning.

Also, a Pennsylvania state senate flipped from Republican to Democrat tonight in a special election. Democrats only need to flip three seats in 2020 to gain control.

There is a Wisconsin Supreme Court judge seat that is a close race right now. This is probably the most important race tonight.

Trump has been talking weirder than usual today. He said his father was born in Germany (he's from the Bronx) and he called the Chinese President "king"
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Post by OldAle1 » April 3rd, 2019, 3:18 am

Cocoa wrote:
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Madison also elected its first LGBTQ+ mayor tonight, Satya Rhodes-Conway! (l) Today is National Out to Win Day so it's great that LGBTQ+ candidates are winning.

Also, a Pennsylvania state senate flipped from Republican to Democrat tonight in a special election. Democrats only need to flip three seats in 2020 to gain control.

There is a Wisconsin Supreme Court judge seat that is a close race right now. This is probably the most important race tonight.

Trump has been talking weirder than usual today. He said his father was born in Germany (he's from the Bronx) and he called the Chinese President "king"
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I did my part re: the WI Supreme Court. Not super-keen on Neubauer actually from what I've read about her, but Hagedorn is a Neanderthal. Yah for Madison I guess - I dunno, I didn't pay too much attention to that race since I don't live there. I think Soglin has been reasonably well-liked, but he has been there for over 2 decades, and his flip-flopping over the Governor's race and then running for Mayor again probably pissed off enough people eventually - when it becomes clear that you care too much about yourself rather than your job, that's enough for sane people to kick you out and give someone else a chance.

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