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Post by Cocoa » March 25th, 2019, 5:25 pm



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Post by Cocoa » March 25th, 2019, 5:46 pm

MY REP HAS A PRIMARY CHALLENGER! YAAAAAAAAAAAS! YAAAAAAAAS! YAAAAAAAS!



She lost by 2% last year.

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Post by Cippenham » March 25th, 2019, 5:55 pm

Just someone on YouTube said she was running

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Post by Cocoa » March 25th, 2019, 10:25 pm



It's predictable that McConnell will always do the evil thing -_-

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Post by sebby » March 26th, 2019, 12:20 am

Cocoa wrote:
March 25th, 2019, 10:25 pm


It's predictable that McConnell will always do the evil thing -_-
but but but he was exonerated! they should be flaunting this report tin public, highlighting all the best bits on fox news for the next month!

perhaps they are just a humble bunch, these classy republicans, and wish to quietly soak in their monumental victory.

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Post by OldAle1 » March 26th, 2019, 12:22 am

"Humility", yes, you got it. First word that comes to mind when describing the Republican Party of today, especially it's fearless leader.

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Post by Cocoa » March 26th, 2019, 12:40 am

This also happened today



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Post by Cocoa » March 26th, 2019, 1:31 am

And this also happened today



For funsies, Sarah Sanders is getting it on with Mueller Madness.



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Post by sebby » March 26th, 2019, 2:01 am

legit starting to believe being republican is a mental illness.

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Post by Cocoa » March 26th, 2019, 5:09 pm





This is so :facepalm:


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Post by Cippenham » March 26th, 2019, 10:19 pm

sebby wrote:
March 26th, 2019, 2:01 am
legit starting to believe being republican is a mental illness.
Why on earth say that when no democrat policies make sense and do nothing but harm . It depends on your point of view.

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Post by OldAle1 » March 27th, 2019, 12:27 am

Has this been mentioned before? Pete Buttigieg's language ability - he is "proficient" in Arabic, Dari, French, Italian, Maltese, Norwegian and Spanish - Gloede this is your guy should you decided to move to the USA and somehow become a citizen in the next 20 months. Oh and English of course for... EIGHT languages, seven more than most of our Presidents over the past century (and eight more than the current one). Unfortunately this will probably be seen as a liability by most Americans that learn about it...

https://heavy.com/news/2019/03/language ... can-speak/

Article claims that FDR was the last bilingual Pres - I thought Kennedy was a French speaker but maybe I - or the article - got that wrong.

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Post by sebby » March 27th, 2019, 12:31 am

Cippenham wrote:
March 26th, 2019, 10:19 pm
sebby wrote:
March 26th, 2019, 2:01 am
legit starting to believe being republican is a mental illness.
Why on earth say that when no democrat policies make sense and do nothing but harm . It depends on your point of view.
There's just no truth in this. It's not a matter of point of view anymore, unless being greedy, traitorous, sexist, racist, all-around hateful and me-first, etc is a "point of view."

Conservatives are complicit in all these things. There is no way to be both a good human being and a Trump Republican. We have reached that point. History will look back upon this time in American history with horror, pure and simple.

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Post by Cocoa » March 27th, 2019, 1:09 am

Cippenham is mostly a troll in this thread.



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Post by Knaldskalle » March 27th, 2019, 1:54 am

OldAle1 wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 12:27 am
Has this been mentioned before? Pete Buttigieg's language ability - he is "proficient" in Arabic, Dari, French, Italian, Maltese, Norwegian and Spanish - Gloede this is your guy should you decided to move to the USA and somehow become a citizen in the next 20 months. Oh and English of course for... EIGHT languages, seven more than most of our Presidents over the past century (and eight more than the current one). Unfortunately this will probably be seen as a liability by most Americans that learn about it...

https://heavy.com/news/2019/03/language ... can-speak/

Article claims that FDR was the last bilingual Pres - I thought Kennedy was a French speaker but maybe I - or the article - got that wrong.
His dad was from Malta and his mom is a linguist. That does explain the rather high number of languages he's supposedly "proficient" in - I'm not sure if "proficient" means proficient as we usually understand it or as you'd put it on a resume. By the resume standard I'm proficient in Danish, English, German, Swedish, Norwegian, Russian, Esperanto and Latin. Usually I'd not claim more than three of those, since my understanding of Swedish and Norwegian is limited (especially spoken Nynorsk) and I've mostly forgotten (repressed) Russian and Latin and I never got beyond the beginner stage with Esperanto. :shrug:

Oh, and Kennedy was totally proficient in German. "Ich bin ein Berliner." ;)
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Post by xianjiro » March 27th, 2019, 2:07 am

OldAle1 wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 12:27 am
Has this been mentioned before? Pete Buttigieg's language ability - he is "proficient" in Arabic, Dari, French, Italian, Maltese, Norwegian and Spanish - Gloede this is your guy should you decided to move to the USA and somehow become a citizen in the next 20 months. Oh and English of course for... EIGHT languages, seven more than most of our Presidents over the past century (and eight more than the current one). Unfortunately this will probably be seen as a liability by most Americans that learn about it...

https://heavy.com/news/2019/03/language ... can-speak/

Article claims that FDR was the last bilingual Pres - I thought Kennedy was a French speaker but maybe I - or the article - got that wrong.
that makes ate bigglier than currant precedent (D:)

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Post by xianjiro » March 27th, 2019, 2:09 am

Cocoa wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 1:09 am
Cippenham is mostly a troll in this thread.
NO! (D:) Say it ain't so! :circle:

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Post by Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal » March 27th, 2019, 2:35 am

Everyone who disagrees with the DNC Democrats are either deplorables, trolls or misogynists.

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Post by OldAle1 » March 27th, 2019, 2:55 am

Cocoa wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 1:09 am
Cippenham is mostly a troll in this thread.

I would leave out the words "mostly" and "in this thread".

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Post by Onderhond » March 27th, 2019, 7:03 am

I know the word troll has devaluated a lot the past couple of years, but arguing a (very different) opinion really is the opposite of trolling. And it sure beats talking politics through tweets.

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Post by St. Gloede » March 27th, 2019, 7:59 am

I didn't see it mentioned here, any thoughts on Chuck Schumer openly comparing Ilhan Omar to the Nazis/Trump ... :mellow:

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/43578 ... pac-speech

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/schumer- ... 88662c7df0
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'Trump is serving ALL factions of the ruling class. His bizarre behavior and eccentric tweets provide a constant distraction. The corporate mainstream media news spends every waking moment warmongering, pursuing worthless scandals, and wasting airtime harping on Manafort's tax fraud case which is a DECADE old.

While focusing on Trump's odd and peculiar behavior the mainstream media "conveniently" neglects to mention the regulatory policies being eliminated on a daily basis threatening the already endangered environment, the right-wing Federal Judges whose lifetime appointments will result in decades of anti-working-class laws, the tax cuts transferring billions of additional wealth to the richest Americans, and how the allotment of $750 billion by the corrupt duopoly to the military/security/surveillance state further plunders the US Treasury giving the criminal politicians in the House and Senate the pretext to eliminate all social safety nets.

Trump's Presidency served a greater purpose it swung the corrupt political duopoly further to the right. However, it also exposed the feckless nature of the Democratic Party leadership-- as an organization incapable of thwarting ultra-right-wing political movements, but as an effective political operation for advancing fascism by promoting internet censorship and imperialist wars.


2020 will be a redux of 2016. The pseudo socialist Bernie Sanders will be snubbed by MSNBC and CNN, Tulsi's message about
non-interventionism will barely be mentioned, and any talk about Medicare-For-All will be dismissed as a pipedream. No matter how much liberals say they hate Trump they love being affluent more, and will not allow anything to threaten their wealth.'

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Post by Cippenham » March 27th, 2019, 10:57 am

I am not a troll. I try to make reasonable points from a moderate sensible conservative point of view. On the political spectrum test I only come out as moderately authoritarian conservative. For example I would be probably right wing Democrat of the old school as I think you need a system of healthcare similar perhaps to many European countries such as France or Germany, perhaps not the full NHS like we have, but even so a system that ensures most people get affordable healthcare.

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Post by Cippenham » March 27th, 2019, 11:04 am

Trump of course is a right wing populist so is against the global corporate agenda. He want jobs and to protect American interest s first. He is against globalist wars and wants peace. He puts these Interrsts above regulations true because he thinks it’s better for people to have jobs a that literally trumps over concern about the environment. He is rightly sceptical about climate change as climate always changed and we had much warmer and colder periods in the past. Grunge is correct on what they say about the Democrats. I think Republicans can keep the Senate and Presidency. What kind of Republican can succeed Trump? That is interesting.

What most people now want in most western countries are secure borders, a good economy and with jobs so they can earn a living, and also a government that respects their culture. Now this is why right wing populism is growing everywhere.

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Post by Knaldskalle » March 27th, 2019, 4:41 pm

Onderhond wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 7:03 am
I know the word troll has devaluated a lot the past couple of years, but arguing a (very different) opinion really is the opposite of trolling. And it sure beats talking politics through tweets.
Well, there's very little arguing and most of Cipp's posts would fit within the old character limit on Twitter.
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Post by OldAle1 » March 27th, 2019, 4:42 pm

Knaldskalle wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 4:41 pm
Onderhond wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 7:03 am
I know the word troll has devaluated a lot the past couple of years, but arguing a (very different) opinion really is the opposite of trolling. And it sure beats talking politics through tweets.
Well, there's very little arguing and most of Cipp's posts would fit within the old character limit on Twitter.
Yes, and his posts make no more sense, and speak no more of any real understanding of the world, science, or people other than himself than the tweets of our President, who unquestionably IS a troll.

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Post by OldAle1 » March 27th, 2019, 5:14 pm

More good "conservative" politics on display...

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/ ... ongress-60

Fuck them retards, right? It's what Jesus would say.

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Post by Onderhond » March 27th, 2019, 5:18 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 4:42 pm
Yes, and his posts make no more sense, and speak no more of any real understanding of the world, science, or people other than himself than the tweets of our President, who unquestionably IS a troll.
Even if true, it has absolutely nothing to do with trolling. Trolling is making an argument (often which the poster doesn't even support himself) only to rile up/irritate other people in a conversation. Cipp has been very consistent, has argued the same points over, in multiple threads and does so with clear conviction. You may not like his opinions of course, but don't call that trolling.
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Well, there's very little arguing and most of Cipp's posts would fit within the old character limit on Twitter.
Not sure if you ever tried Twitter, but look at the post above yours and think again.

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Post by Cippenham » March 27th, 2019, 6:16 pm

The trouble is they are not making any real cuts on government spending. Not like the great President Harding who cut taxes by 50 per cent and taxes by 40 and started paying down the debt leading to the twenties economic boom continued also by Coolidge. Unemployment was down to 1.8 per cent, plenty of jobs and no government wasteful measures.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2 ... bda9bb799c

Unfortunately it was followed with disastrous policies by Hoover and FDR which led to less jobs apart from jobs by FDR from government funding so not wealth creating and of course in the war.

Thanks Onder :thumbsup:

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Post by Knaldskalle » March 28th, 2019, 4:07 am

Onderhond wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 5:18 pm
Knaldskalle wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 4:41 pm
Well, there's very little arguing and most of Cipp's posts would fit within the old character limit on Twitter.
Not sure if you ever tried Twitter, but look at the post above yours and think again.
I definitely noticed them before posting, but if you go check his posting history you'll see that I'm right. He's often employed a "post and run" style that's very unproductive.
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Post by xianjiro » March 28th, 2019, 4:29 am

Onderhond wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 5:18 pm
OldAle1 wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 4:42 pm
Yes, and his posts make no more sense, and speak no more of any real understanding of the world, science, or people other than himself than the tweets of our President, who unquestionably IS a troll.
Even if true, it has absolutely nothing to do with trolling. Trolling is making an argument (often which the poster doesn't even support himself) only to rile up/irritate other people in a conversation. Cipp has been very consistent, has argued the same points over, in multiple threads and does so with clear conviction. You may not like his opinions of course, but don't call that trolling.
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Well, there's very little arguing and most of Cipp's posts would fit within the old character limit on Twitter.
Not sure if you ever tried Twitter, but look at the post above yours and think again.
Really? So going into a religious thread and constantly posting atheist material - including continuously saying the same thing over and over and over even when 1) there is no rational basis for the argument other than a single quack's attempt at 'proof' (which is often nothing more than self-referential) and 2) the other users of the thread basically say that the posts don't hold water - that's NOT trolling because it is done with "clear conviction"?

Continuously posting the same argument over and over even though most other posters have said they don't buy it is by definition an attempt to "rile up/irritate other people in the conversation". See just about anything Cipp has posted RE: Hillary Clinton - she's dying and will be dead before the election (2016) and she's running again in 2020 is the current alt-right meme curiously devoid of 'proof' other than protestations to the opposite by not only her but by Cipp's beloved hero "the greatest president ever".

So fine. I believe Cipp trolls this thread. I support the argument with my beliefs and I'm not posting that statement to rile up or irritate anyone else. I will consistently make these points over and over again.

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Post by Cippenham » March 28th, 2019, 5:29 am

This is just to note feedback and I will try to make less frequent but more lengthy contributions. I am working on a lengthy refutation of post modernism but may post that in the general politics thread although I notice it’s pernicious influence on some contributors here.

I am following some well known sources about Mrs Clinton and I now realise they are misleading in some other respects. Unlike Trump I value truth but as you know on the internet it’s hard to separate truth from fiction if it apppears convincing and is from your political point of view. I now know that H A Goodman the former Sanders and now Trump supporter is not reliable as a source for example but neither is the MSM. I mean look at CNN. Many of you may have believed their fictional and repeated assertion by people you admire and agree with politically that Trump and his team were guilty of Russian collusion. Turns out not to be the case. Why are the proponents of this fiction not regarded as trolls? Just because if you are on the left you can get away with anything?

That thing about a religious thread is not me, personally I do believe in God but don’t actually go to Church. Not sure what that is about.

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Post by Onderhond » March 28th, 2019, 8:57 am

xianjiro wrote:
March 28th, 2019, 4:29 am
So fine. I believe Cipp trolls this thread. I support the argument with my beliefs and I'm not posting that statement to rile up or irritate anyone else. I will consistently make these points over and over again.
And you have, like some others have. I see how your opinion differs from Cipp, don't really see how your behavior is all that different. You're pretty much subject to the same criteria you cited in your own post.

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Post by xianjiro » March 28th, 2019, 9:41 am

Onderhond wrote:
March 28th, 2019, 8:57 am
xianjiro wrote:
March 28th, 2019, 4:29 am
So fine. I believe Cipp trolls this thread. I support the argument with my beliefs and I'm not posting that statement to rile up or irritate anyone else. I will consistently make these points over and over again.
And you have, like some others have. I see how your opinion differs from Cipp, don't really see how your behavior is all that different. You're pretty much subject to the same criteria you cited in your own post.
Yes. And when other users either don't respond or respond with feedback, I adjust my behavior accordingly. And while I don't always agree point by point with other posters, I generally try to include a defense of whatever argument I'm making by using sources that are relevant to most other users of the thread. I guess some of it comes down to what the standards of the community are. Calling the pResident of the US names and lampooning his communication and policies is something many of us do to share our disgust and frustration with the current situation. We're not doing it just to piss others off.

Okay, so maybe I'll rephrase and say that Cipp's a passive-aggressive troll. (Or some nuance like that.)

The other thing newer posters should keep in mind, we're at something like 350 pages of posts in this thread (plus two other political threads) and so there's lots of history. Some of us have been reading the same discredited arguments for years. Some posters have worked diligently to refute the arguments, especially when it's glaringly clear that they are based on bad sources (see much of Gloede's comments on things like "May's a eurocommunist" and the like).

When I first stated that I felt this thread was being trolled, the response was something to the effect that I (and others on the left) just didn't like reading "conservative opinions". I responded that I'm more than happy to read real conservative viewpoints but have a very short attention span for alt-right dog whistles (that last bit was something I learned after the fact but was still able to see that "economic nationalism" draws upon a long history of racism for example).

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Post by Cippenham » March 28th, 2019, 10:30 am

I note x post above but don’t agree with it for obvious reasons. Have a nice day.

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Post by Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal » March 28th, 2019, 8:35 pm

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Post by Cippenham » March 28th, 2019, 9:47 pm

Shouldn’t she resign from her position for spreading falsehoods and shouldn’t Adam Schiff also resign and others too for the same reason? CNN is also discredited. Shouldn’t Comey and others be investigated for their part in all this. There is nothing in it, like the story of the old dark empty house.

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Post by brokenface » March 28th, 2019, 10:07 pm

Cippenham wrote:
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Shouldn’t she resign from her position for spreading falsehoods and shouldn’t Adam Schiff also resign and others too for the same reason? CNN is also discredited. Shouldn’t Comey and others be investigated for their part in all this. There is nothing in it, like the story of the old dark empty house.
I've seen you many times acknowledge that Trump lies. Do you think he should resign?

Nothing has been disproven. All that's happened is one of Trump's allies has put out his personal summary about the conclusions in Mueller's report regarding a subset of potential criminal charges.

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