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Post by Onderhond » July 27th, 2020, 1:36 pm

Pretentious Hipster wrote:
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Not sure about the latter part of the video, but he does raise a fair point about empathy & politics. While it has its worth in the assessment phase, it should be kept out of the decision-making phase as much as possible. Not in the least because empathy tends to be extremely selective.



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Post by ChrisReynolds » July 29th, 2020, 10:22 am

Thought this screenshot was too crazy not to post. Imagine going back in time and showing this to somebody.

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Post by 3eyes » July 29th, 2020, 1:07 pm

Nobody likes me, I wonder why.
How can they think I'm so bad?
Nobody wants me, I'm gonna cry.
All that fake news makes me mad!

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Post by Dolwphin » July 29th, 2020, 6:33 pm

ChrisReynolds wrote:
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Thought this screenshot was too crazy not to post. Imagine going back in time and showing this to somebody.

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Post by Knaldskalle » July 29th, 2020, 10:38 pm

Dolwphin wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 6:33 pm
ChrisReynolds wrote:
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Thought this screenshot was too crazy not to post. Imagine going back in time and showing this to somebody.

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Post by Dolwphin » July 30th, 2020, 4:22 pm

Knaldskalle wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 10:38 pm
Dolwphin wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 6:33 pm
ChrisReynolds wrote:
July 29th, 2020, 10:22 am
Thought this screenshot was too crazy not to post. Imagine going back in time and showing this to somebody.

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I can't get that image to show. I get a "403 Forbidden" error from The Google.
Big Tech censoring conservatives again! :angry:

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » July 30th, 2020, 7:09 pm

WTF IS THIS It's a parody I swear. You will NEVER expect what this is actually about


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Post by Onderhond » July 30th, 2020, 7:32 pm

Pretentious Hipster wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 7:09 pm
WTF IS THIS It's a parody I swear. You will NEVER expect what this is actually about

A little overdone, but the bottom line sounds reasonable enough. :shrug:

Also seems to be following the template of most modern-day propaganda docs I've seen. Layman investigations that end up hitting great and important truths.

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Post by Armoreska » July 30th, 2020, 8:01 pm

How warm. This video made me moderate and christian. Come on guys n gals, let's forget all the troubles and just live in harmony with each other.
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Post by Armoreska » July 30th, 2020, 8:30 pm

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Post by sebby » August 5th, 2020, 7:45 pm



woot woot

corporate, lazy, ineffective and/or moderate dems slowly but surely continue getting replaced by honest to goodness progressives.

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Post by Kublai Khan » August 6th, 2020, 10:36 am

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If I'm reading that right, about 1 in 4 Republicans don't think that democracy is good or very good.
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Post by St. Gloede » August 6th, 2020, 10:43 am

I am more worried by how 15-20 percent of Democrats, Republican and Independents think it is good to have a military dictatorship. :blink:

Also interesting that only 5-10% Democrats disapprove of Democracy, 20% of Republicans disapprove of Democracy, but the same number of both love military dictatorships. :shrug:

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Post by Armoreska » August 6th, 2020, 11:38 am

Depends on what they mean by democracy. If it's the US kind, I'd vote against too.
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Post by brokenface » August 6th, 2020, 11:53 am

I find polls like that tend to be misleading with ambiguous questions. Like does 'strong leader' = Putin? Or could it not equally apply to Merkel? Is it an either/or between being governed by a strong leader and governed by experts? In an idealised version of US system you have a strong leader (President) but with the checks & balances by the other branches of government (in theory, experts at law/lawmaking).

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Post by St. Gloede » August 6th, 2020, 12:26 pm

Yes, all true, every term is open to extreme interpretation. I.e. does strong leader mean "strong man", i.e. dictator or semi-dictator, or a competent leader. The army governing is the least open to interpretation though, and the stats there are clear.

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Post by Onderhond » August 6th, 2020, 12:35 pm

Also, the question is simply "are good", so some of them might just think there could be merit in "army government". Without the exact question and motivations of individual respondents, stats like these mean very little.


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Post by Kublai Khan » August 6th, 2020, 4:44 pm

According to the article, "Strong leader" is defined as someone “who does not have to bother with Congress and elections”. So much more Putin than Merkel.

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Post by Armoreska » Yesterday, 2:45 am

Thats cringe squared. Or cubed.
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Post by GruesomeTwosome » Yesterday, 8:26 pm

I’m to remember every man I've seen fall into a plate of spaghetti???

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » Yesterday, 8:54 pm

The best solution for the defund the police and BLM movement is to have a tough on crime team vs fascists. Can a communist revolution please happen?

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » Yesterday, 9:07 pm

She is absolutely despised by both the left and the right. All they had to do is beat Trump and they are doing the worst job I've ever seen.

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Post by Knaldskalle » Yesterday, 9:44 pm

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No surprise, it's Kamala.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e ... e-n1235771
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Sure, pick the candidate who had to drop out because enthusiasm for her vanished along with donations... Or maybe they just weren't sure they'd be able to carry California without her?
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Post by Onderhond » Yesterday, 9:46 pm

First female, black female and Asian ... I'm all for it, let's just get it over with so you guys can look for capable candidates.

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Post by funkybusiness » Yesterday, 9:49 pm

fuckin shit, maaaan

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Post by xianjiro » Yesterday, 10:14 pm

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fuckin shit, maaaan
agreed - though maybe Biden's going for the moderate Republican vote and Never-Trumpers.

Last week, BLM/Portland was calling for supporters to write in a Black woman for president though I've not heard an actual name put forth.

Biden was already at risk of losing the Bernie Brats (Bros is too sexist for me) - I don't see how this is going to excite the BLM crowd. I can't say how "average" Black voters will react, but I'm guessing Kanye just doubled in the polls.

Why are dems so bad at choosing running mates? Case in point - Biden :circle:

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Post by Knaldskalle » Yesterday, 10:22 pm

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fuckin shit, maaaan
agreed - though maybe Biden's going for the moderate Republican vote and Never-Trumpers.
The question the campaign really needs to ask itself, though, is if they think they can win if the left wing stays home like in 2016. I would not be surprised if the backlash to the choice of Kamala is such that we face the 2016 all over again.
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Post by xianjiro » Yesterday, 10:37 pm

Knaldskalle wrote:
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xianjiro wrote:
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fuckin shit, maaaan
agreed - though maybe Biden's going for the moderate Republican vote and Never-Trumpers.
The question the campaign really needs to ask itself, though, is if they think they can win if the left wing stays home like in 2016. I would not be surprised if the backlash to the choice of Kamala is such that we face the 2016 all over again.
yeah - honestly, I'm fighting back tears right now (mostly because my body's all screwed up due to illness and I'm waiting on test results that should have been back by now). Granted, we've survived this long with this mess, but it's just one fucking thing after another. Needless to say, I'm upset that they're now planning (or at least talking about) not allowing Americans to return to the country if they might have been exposed to CoV-19. Quarantine arrivals. I can accept that. But this sounds like another move against American of Hispanic/Latino origin, not to mention Middle Eastern, South Asian, etc.

Before today I had no doubt how I would vote in November even though I am no fan of Biden. I believe before I left this thread (was it a year ago?) I made that pretty clear. Now I'm not so sure. I'm not even sure how much impact this will have on our electors. Oregon was and probably will remain safe Biden, but I'm not so certain, especially if BLM comes out strongly against. I just don't believe this will win the hard left over.

I keep wondering: how will this play in battleground states?

I need to think about other things - I feel asleep during the final episode of GoT last night, so I need to go back to King's Landing to see how things turn out. King's Landing post dragon attack seems more inviting right now.

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Post by Knaldskalle » Yesterday, 11:01 pm

xianjiro wrote:
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agreed - though maybe Biden's going for the moderate Republican vote and Never-Trumpers.
The question the campaign really needs to ask itself, though, is if they think they can win if the left wing stays home like in 2016. I would not be surprised if the backlash to the choice of Kamala is such that we face the 2016 all over again.
yeah - honestly, I'm fighting back tears right now (mostly because my body's all screwed up due to illness and I'm waiting on test results that should have been back by now). Granted, we've survived this long with this mess, but it's just one fucking thing after another. Needless to say, I'm upset that they're now planning (or at least talking about) not allowing Americans to return to the country if they might have been exposed to CoV-19. Quarantine arrivals. I can accept that. But this sounds like another move against American of Hispanic/Latino origin, not to mention Middle Eastern, South Asian, etc.

Before today I had no doubt how I would vote in November even though I am no fan of Biden. I believe before I left this thread (was it a year ago?) I made that pretty clear. Now I'm not so sure. I'm not even sure how much impact this will have on our electors. Oregon was and probably will remain safe Biden, but I'm not so certain, especially if BLM comes out strongly against. I just don't believe this will win the hard left over.
Maybe they figure they win more in the center than the lose on the left? Who knows? It's certainly not a move I would've made, picking Kamala strikes me as pepper spraying the left. I wouldn't be surprised if the Biden Campaign will go "but she's black!" to any criticism from the left about her politics. We'll see, I'm sure they'll blame the left again if Trump wins.
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Post by Armoreska » Yesterday, 11:06 pm

Onderhond wrote:
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First female, black female and Asian ... I'm all for it, let's just get it over with so you guys can look for capable candidates.
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Post by xianjiro » Yesterday, 11:08 pm

Armoreska wrote:
Yesterday, 11:06 pm
Onderhond wrote:
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First female, black female and Asian ... I'm all for it, let's just get it over with so you guys can look for capable candidates.
first token vice-president?
:sarcasm: ???

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Post by xianjiro » Yesterday, 11:10 pm

Knaldskalle wrote:
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Maybe they figure they win more in the center than the lose on the left? Who knows? It's certainly not a move I would've made, picking Kamala strikes me as pepper spraying the left. I wouldn't be surprised if the Biden Campaign will go "but she's black!" to any criticism from the left about her politics. We'll see, I'm sure they'll blame the left again if Trump wins.
Yeah. Agreed. I'm just not relishing the "but just how Black is she debate" that will come.

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