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Post by matthewscott8 » May 6th, 2020, 6:38 pm

It has been amusing me no end people making jokes about how Ferguson can't keep his *ahem* in his pants, and when Boris leaves his cancer stricken wife and kids to get a much younger woman pregnant everyone says coo aren't they lovely. Nothing means anything anymore.

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Post by brokenface » May 11th, 2020, 9:47 am

Now Johnson is back, the blustering incompetence is really coming back to the fore. Complete, abject failure to give any clarity on the one thing people want to know most: when will they be allowed to see their families/friends outside their household again?

Seemingly in the new rules, you are now allowed to drive from one end of England to the other to go and lie on a beach, but you are not allowed to sit socially distanced in your parent's garden around the corner. You might be able to meet one of your parents in the park, or possibly both, but possibly not, it's evolving with each interview. You can go to work on crowded public transport and you should stay 2m apart 'where possible'. If it's not possible, then, um, well you're still supposed to go if your employer says. Sorry about that. It's common sense, except that it isn't because none of this is common sense in any common sense understanding of common sense.

But don't worry, the PM is going to do a Q&A of pre-selected questions from the public today, which I'm sure will clear everything up. He's not quite up to facing the press, poor thing.

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Post by AdamH » May 11th, 2020, 9:56 am

Well, said brokenface. I've tried to be positive about Boris (despite hating the Tories) as we're in such an unprecedented situation but last week was a disaster culminating in his announcement last night which, frankly, was as clear as mud.

Now, we have Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland with one very clear message and England with a very unclear message. "Stay alert" is not good and his message yesterday even wasn't either. I came away from it with no clarity. If you can't work from home, you should go to work? That'll cover millions of people not just construction and manufacturing. You can meet people but stay 2m apart? That isn't going work. It's just a total mess.

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Post by brokenface » May 11th, 2020, 11:52 am

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Well, said brokenface. I've tried to be positive about Boris (despite hating the Tories) as we're in such an unprecedented situation but last week was a disaster culminating in his announcement last night which, frankly, was as clear as mud.
Indeed, I have also tried to be a bit more understanding/accepting. It's definitely not the government I wanted or voted for, but I do accept that no government could be fully prepared for this situation or make all the right choices at the right times. It's something that hasn't happened for generations and the exact nature of the virus is still not known, so there has to be flexibility and allowance for advice to change as knowledge grows.

But it's pretty clear at this point that bad choices have cost people's lives and allowed the virus to spread much worse here than it has in other, comparable, countries. Government don't seem to be capable of acknowledging any mis-steps and instead just keep repeating the errors. This is like we're back to the situation in early March where the mixed messages meant for example, pubs were open but people were encouraged not to go. It's incoherent policy. And it's so infuriating to hear people like Raab spout lines about 'common sense' to try to brush over inconsistencies & lack of clarity. People simply do not have 'common sense' for how to behave in pandemics. People have very different personal responses to risk and that is reflected in behaviour.

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Post by AdamH » May 11th, 2020, 12:04 pm

Yes, exactly. There were so many problems back in March. I remember walking past pubs which had tonnes of people in them after the government "advised" people not to go (lots of people ignore advice!). Also, they took at least a week too long to announce lockdown. Spain had a far stricter lockdown and look at the figure there. I'm really concerned about how people will react to the unclear message from yesterday and, sadly, there are a lot of people who will happily go back to doing whatever they want until the death figures get worse again. The government needs to be very clear and strong and yesterday (and early on before lockdown) they weren't.

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Post by brokenface » May 12th, 2020, 12:02 pm

Quotes from Matt Hancock today:
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In a round of broadcast interviews, he said the government had to draw a line somewhere when limiting social contact, and one-to-one meetings outdoors was a reasonable way to “protect everybody against that burgeoning into large groups of people”.

He said it was sensible to limit such meetings to public places rather than private gardens, because the latter could require people to walk through one another’s houses, which was less safe.

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Hancock also defended the policy of allowing people to drive to beauty spots, despite concerns about the potential for crowds to gather. He said there should not be a problem if “people socially distance when they get there, and hence we’ve kept the socially distancing rules very clearly in place”, adding: “This isn’t for people to move house or to go on holiday or to be able to stay.”

Does this private gardens thing make any sense? Surely going to meet a member of your family in public park means you are more likely to come close to multiple other people en route to, and in, the park. Yes you can try to keep 2 metres and you would be outside all the time, but if everyone is encouraged to go to parks as the only place where they can meet with family/friends, parks will get busy and that means distancing gets harder. Walking through someone's house to get to a garden could be is a narrowly increased risk, but that could be mitigated (avoid touching anything/wipe down doorhandles if unavoidable) and spread is increased more by staying together in an enclosed space; passing through is different.

Take example of someone who lives alone and their parents live fairly nearby and have a decent sized garden. If they want to meet them by current guidelines, they should be making two separate trips to public parks to meet each parent individually, effectively 4 people making journeys if they actually took two separate trips. Whereas if they go by themselves to the parent's garden to meet both together, that would be just 1 person making a journey. They keep bandying 'common sense', common sense to me would be meet socially distanced in parent's garden, rather than all making trips into a public space and meeting there.

I can see that they are trying to put people off from having house parties/barbecues etc. but still I think they're tying themselves in knots with some of these guidelines. Should be more of a push to keep social contacts as limited as possible in terms of numbers of different people.

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At the same time I find it completely baffling that they're now saying people can drive as far as they want (in England) to visit beauty spots. Why would you want to encourage people to travel further outside local area? Again social distancing should mitigate risk, but if you're getting a new local outbreak pop up you want to try as much as possible to at least contain it locally. Someone goes and drives to Devon or the Lake District for a day out, they can spread to a whole new region. And you are putting more cars on the roads. This is surely an area where they should say people stay within local region, i.e. you can go to nearby countryside but not cross country, unless essential.

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 12th, 2020, 1:37 pm

brokenface wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 12:02 pm
Quotes from Matt Hancock today:
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In a round of broadcast interviews, he said the government had to draw a line somewhere when limiting social contact, and one-to-one meetings outdoors was a reasonable way to “protect everybody against that burgeoning into large groups of people”.

He said it was sensible to limit such meetings to public places rather than private gardens, because the latter could require people to walk through one another’s houses, which was less safe.

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Hancock also defended the policy of allowing people to drive to beauty spots, despite concerns about the potential for crowds to gather. He said there should not be a problem if “people socially distance when they get there, and hence we’ve kept the socially distancing rules very clearly in place”, adding: “This isn’t for people to move house or to go on holiday or to be able to stay.”

Does this private gardens thing make any sense? Surely going to meet a member of your family in public park means you are more likely to come close to multiple other people en route to, and in, the park. Yes you can try to keep 2 metres and you would be outside all the time, but if everyone is encouraged to go to parks as the only place where they can meet with family/friends, parks will get busy and that means distancing gets harder. Walking through someone's house to get to a garden could be is a narrowly increased risk, but that could be mitigated (avoid touching anything/wipe down doorhandles if unavoidable) and spread is increased more by staying together in an enclosed space; passing through is different.

Take example of someone who lives alone and their parents live fairly nearby and have a decent sized garden. If they want to meet them by current guidelines, they should be making two separate trips to public parks to meet each parent individually, effectively 4 people making journeys if they actually took two separate trips. Whereas if they go by themselves to the parent's garden to meet both together, that would be just 1 person making a journey. They keep bandying 'common sense', common sense to me would be meet socially distanced in parent's garden, rather than all making trips into a public space and meeting there.

I can see that they are trying to put people off from having house parties/barbecues etc. but still I think they're tying themselves in knots with some of these guidelines. Should be more of a push to keep social contacts as limited as possible in terms of numbers of different people.

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At the same time I find it completely baffling that they're now saying people can drive as far as they want (in England) to visit beauty spots. Why would you want to encourage people to travel further outside local area? Again social distancing should mitigate risk, but if you're getting a new local outbreak pop up you want to try as much as possible to at least contain it locally. Someone goes and drives to Devon or the Lake District for a day out, they can spread to a whole new region. And you are putting more cars on the roads. This is surely an area where they should say people stay within local region, i.e. you can go to nearby countryside but not cross country, unless essential.
There's still the question of votes, and how do they ensure they get re-elected. A lot of these measures assuage their base of older more family oriented people who own cars.

In South Korea they've had a reoutbreak because one 29 year old went clubbing with coronavirus, and that caused over 100 cases. Jumping around in an enclosed space, sweat and mucus going everywhere, bodies hitting, it's a disaster. We know that a lot of spread has come from mass sporting and music events, pubbing and clubbing. Is it really the case that all those people driving up to the Cotswolds were causing outbreaks, I just don't think it is. Sun, fresh air and happiness are good for you.

For me the major problem is that people will be looking for "what rule can we bend now that we're allowed to go sunbathing". In Greater Manchester in one weekend in April police were called to 1,000 separate house parties. Now a house party is an actual severe risk incident. My brother's entire friendship group got it from a house party. Luckily he didn't attend. Obviously people want a snog at a house party too usually. BBQ is completely different, you're outside and not all over one another.

There was a meme early on about how the coronavirus benefitted people with a conservative social outlook, in that, Tinder is shutdown, late night drinking is shut down, ASBOs are at home, promiscuity is unsafe. That's the thing that is quite awkward about it, and a lot of the party people are jelly when they see people out playing frisbee. They want their kicks too. Problem is their kicks involve entering states of lowered responsibility, which isn't compatible with coronavirus.

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Post by brokenface » May 23rd, 2020, 7:27 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... s-lockdown

Hard to see how Johnson could justify not firing him, there is simply no way that did not explicitly break the rules on multiple counts. And I'm sure the Sunday papers will have more to add.

Otherwise every rule the government tries to implement for the remainder of pandemic will be met with, 'why should the public follow the rules when your chief adviser doesn't?'

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Post by brokenface » May 23rd, 2020, 3:39 pm

Oh it's fun watching slimeball Grant Shapps trying and miserably failing to argue the unarguable. They are desperately trying to protect Cummings, it ain't sustainable. They just digging themselves a deeper hole.

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Post by brokenface » May 23rd, 2020, 6:56 pm

Haha and sure enough, some more info drops from Sunday papers:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... own-claims

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 23rd, 2020, 9:45 pm

Cummings is a nauseating prick who has been a wrecking ball on this country. Might he hard to sack him if he knows where all the bodies are buried. They certainly did a full court press today defending him. All the top ministers were told to put out statements. I thought Gove's was particularly dissembling, a highlight of the cabinet diarrhoea on the subject. The point is that he was out and about potentially spreading the disease. If everyone did that we would be buggered. He is acting as if he and his wife were incapacitated but from his movements that was clearly not the case. This is deffo one rule for VIPs and another for us plebs. I suspect he will hold on or do a Mandelson and have 9 lives.

He is a consummate liar and charlatan, and with these skills the government will be keen to keep him for as long as possible.

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Post by brokenface » May 23rd, 2020, 10:46 pm

matthewscott8 wrote:
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Cummings is a nauseating prick who has been a wrecking ball on this country. Might he hard to sack him if he knows where all the bodies are buried. They certainly did a full court press today defending him. All the top ministers were told to put out statements. I thought Gove's was particularly dissembling, a highlight of the cabinet diarrhoea on the subject. The point is that he was out and about potentially spreading the disease. If everyone did that we would be buggered. He is acting as if he and his wife were incapacitated but from his movements that was clearly not the case. This is deffo one rule for VIPs and another for us plebs. I suspect he will hold on or do a Mandelson and have 9 lives.

He is a consummate liar and charlatan, and with these skills the government will be keen to keep him for as long as possible.
There is sadly a good chance this government of scumbags will keep him. Though I can't imagine many in cabinet are all that keen to have to keep going out to bat for him in briefings like Shapps did today and they will not like that they put out those snivelling statements and got their credibility burned straight away by the next stories contradicting the agreed defence. For this supposed genius strategist, I really don't see how Cummings didn't anticipate there'd be a follow-up story.

Media should be able to keep the pressure on for some time yet. May be more elements still being held back. And it does seem like a story that will cut through and enrage people who are normally much more inclined to support Tories. Anyone who's been sticking to the rules is going to be pissed off at someone in power blatantly not following them, and it's a really emotive point for people who might not have been able to see relatives at all or not attend funerals, etc. In that sense, it goes beyond your standard tale of government hypocrisy.

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Post by brokenface » May 24th, 2020, 9:36 am

Watched Grant Shapps on Andrew Marr. It's beyond car crash. Shapps just keeps driving his car into a wall, reversing, driving back into wall and insisting everything is perfectly fine with his driving.

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 24th, 2020, 1:56 pm

brokenface wrote:
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Watched Grant Shapps on Andrew Marr. It's beyond car crash. Shapps just keeps driving his car into a wall, reversing, driving back into wall and insisting everything is perfectly fine with his driving.
He must feel terribe about himself. Basically the PM has weighed up his worth, and decided to use him as a human shield for a spad. Now his career and his pride must be in ribbons. Stakes on this keep on getting upped. There is no way press are letting this go, and nor should they.

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Post by AdamH » May 24th, 2020, 4:11 pm

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Watched Grant Shapps on Andrew Marr. It's beyond car crash. Shapps just keeps driving his car into a wall, reversing, driving back into wall and insisting everything is perfectly fine with his driving.
That was embarrassing. In fact, the whole situation is embarrassing. I can't believe they're actually defending it and completely undermining all the lockdown rules in the process. Lost for words although it is entertaining to see them try to defend it. At the same time, genuinely feel quite annoyed about what has happened and that it's being defended.

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Post by brokenface » May 24th, 2020, 5:35 pm

Shapps was embarrassing, but Boris Johnson just made him look a lot better because his press conference was the most pathetic I've ever seen. This ain't going away now, he just made it 10* worse.

Wonder if Tories will be starting to think of ditching both Johnson and Cummings. Some are definitely pissed off.

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 24th, 2020, 11:17 pm

The chemistry teacher dude at Castle Barnard has filed a complaint with police. Important that it's investigated. Numberplate turns out to be car the Cummings used. We now need to know what he was doing there. It looks like he was having a day out with the fam. Wasn't allowed to be doing so.

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 25th, 2020, 4:10 pm

He has just given a statement in the Downing Street Rose Garden. He had admitted to it all. For me he should have resigned already, and Boris Johnson should have fired him already, that not being the case. Given they are brazening it out, it's now over to the Durham police. I imagine he will still carry on even if fined.

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 25th, 2020, 4:11 pm

now everyone knows there are no rules.

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Post by OldAle1 » May 25th, 2020, 4:24 pm

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now everyone knows there are no rules.
It works for the Republicans here, so it shouldn't be surprising that the Tories are playing by the same "strategy" should it? Do as I say, not as I do still seems to fool at least 40% of the voters and you don't need too many more than that to win. Maybe your systems has a few more checks and balances with more than 2 parties, but it's beginning to look like there isn't much difference.

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Post by AdamH » May 25th, 2020, 4:40 pm

matthewscott8 wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 4:10 pm
He has just given a statement in the Downing Street Rose Garden. He had admitted to it all. For me he should have resigned already, and Boris Johnson should have fired him already, that not being the case. Given they are brazening it out, it's now over to the Durham police. I imagine he will still carry on even if fined.
Pushed on how a trip to Barnard Castle would help with his work or childcare, Mr Cummings says it was a "reasonable thing to do" rather than "cracking on to do the whole trip" back to London as his eyesight had been affected by the illness.
I am absolutely stunned that he is claiming (as is Boris and others) that he has done nothing wrong and behaved "reasonably". This is far from over. If they think what they're saying is going to make people think "fair enough" then they're seriously mistaken and there's going to be a strong sense of "one rule for us and one for them". It's going to make a lot of people think about if they need to obey the lockdown rules when someone in such an important position has very clearly seriously broken the rules and says what he did was fine.

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 25th, 2020, 7:08 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 4:24 pm
matthewscott8 wrote:
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now everyone knows there are no rules.
It works for the Republicans here, so it shouldn't be surprising that the Tories are playing by the same "strategy" should it? Do as I say, not as I do still seems to fool at least 40% of the voters and you don't need too many more than that to win. Maybe your systems has a few more checks and balances with more than 2 parties, but it's beginning to look like there isn't much difference.
The press here are referring to the tactics as "Trumpist", monkey see, monkey do. Not clear if there is any recourse here. Going to a bad place now.

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Post by brokenface » May 27th, 2020, 11:51 am

Marina Hyde always gives a great read when it comes to Johnson:
The thing about Johnson is that he desperately wanted to become prime minister, and he desperately wanted to have been prime minister. It’s just the bit in between he struggles with. With Othello, it was jealousy. Macbeth: ambition. Lear: pride. Johnson: career liar, hollowed out by narcissism, who not even his friends would joke was motivated by public service. I guess it’s the little things that trip you up, isn’t it?

Anyone who imagines his defence of Cummings is born of loyalty is unfamiliar with the concept “Boris Johnson”. This is actually a simple story: man with no ideas is too terrified to sack his ideas man. Or to put it in the complex intellectual terms it deserves, some street heckler once shouted at David Hasselhoff: “Oi! Hasselhoff! You’re nothing without your talking car!” Cummings is the talking car to Johnson’s Hasselhoff.
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Post by brokenface » June 3rd, 2020, 8:24 pm

Latest in our cluster of fuckery, the Haunted Pencil has forced parliament to return to in-person voting, via a farcical system involving repeatedly standing km long queues, rather than the online system that had been working fine. So now various MPs are unable to vote.

And now a day later and cabinet minister Alok Sharma, who was speaking in parliament today and looking unwell, has suspected Covid. Obviously hope he's fine, but the situation is just comical in illustrating the complete farce this government is.

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Post by matthewscott8 » June 7th, 2020, 11:12 pm

Bristol, where I live is in the news today. BLM protesters took down a statue of one of the city's founders, Colston. He was a slave trader and paradoxically a philanthropist. He ruined thousands of Afiican lives, and used the money to build almshouses and churches. Bristol was essentially built off the slave trade.

Anyways the entire city centre was caked in people. R nought in my area is 1, and so I suspect today's events have shot that through the roof.

The city should have moved the statue years ago. Probs to a museum. Lots of people seem to think that it's ok to flout lockdown because theyre getting rid of a thorn on the side of the black community. I wonder if they'd think that if they'd have been been asked to pick the names of people from a hat who have to die for this.

There's a desperately stupid current to modern life, people desperate to look good instead of to actually be good.

It's too hard to be good. For the Bohemians of Bristol it detracts from time spent taking drugs and listening to music.

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Post by Knaldskalle » June 8th, 2020, 5:26 pm

matthewscott8 wrote:
June 7th, 2020, 11:12 pm
There's a desperately stupid current to modern life, people desperate to look good instead of to actually be good.

It's too hard to be good. For the Bohemians of Bristol it detracts from time spent taking drugs and listening to music.
They should be watching movies instead, a much more noble pursuit. :rolleyes:
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Post by matthewscott8 » June 9th, 2020, 10:45 am

Knaldskalle wrote:
June 8th, 2020, 5:26 pm
matthewscott8 wrote:
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There's a desperately stupid current to modern life, people desperate to look good instead of to actually be good.

It's too hard to be good. For the Bohemians of Bristol it detracts from time spent taking drugs and listening to music.
They should be watching movies instead, a much more noble pursuit. :rolleyes:
I didn't say watching movies was a noble pursuit. At least I haven't been out spreading COVID like they have. Or pretending to be virtuous.

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Post by matthewscott8 » June 9th, 2020, 11:04 am

We have a black mayor in Bristol, Marvin Rees and he pointed out that there are massive problems with racism and pulling monuments down doesn't address them. In my belief it's counterproductive because all the energy is dissipated now. It could have been used for some real change. The big companies in the city centre only hire black people to clean or run reception, how about doing something about that.



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Post by AdamH » June 24th, 2020, 3:26 pm

Some people organised for a plane to fly over Burnley's stadium (English premier league football team) and I thought the following video on the topic was very good:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08ht5t4

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Post by matthewscott8 » June 24th, 2020, 10:05 pm

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Some people organised for a plane to fly over Burnley's stadium (English premier league football team) and I thought the following video on the topic was very good:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08ht5t4
Firstly, most importantly I think this is a sideshow. There have been several inquiries and commissions into racism and inequality in the UK and practically nothing has been done off the back of those reports. The nost important was done by David Lammy. All recommondations ignored. What's staggering to me is that all sides seem to be ignoring that. And boris has commissioned a new inquiry headed by a shill. We don't need a new one, we have all the recommendations already. At the moment all groups are distracting from action, we already have a roadmap.

Secondly, back to the distraction, I didnt agree with the radio guy in the link, he referred to the "white community", a laughable term. I'm British and I don't belong to any community white or otherwise, most places don't have communities anymore.

I wrote something recently about my city Bristol where I pointed out that it was hugely divided and unequal, we have Clifton, an area where rich white people live, one of the wealthiest areas in the country, and Hartcliffe, one of the poorest in the country which is where many poor black peopl live. It's something we need to fix.

However a side note is we also have Bishopsworth, a completely deprived white area. The point is that in the UK a working class white boy (girls have much higher social mobility) has hardly any chance of success. The people that complain about this are usually called racists, and they arent asked for their side of the story by the media .

If Bishopsworth gets left out, the city will never see healing.


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Post by morrison-dylan-fan » June 29th, 2020, 6:04 pm

After winning praise for how swiftly he booted RLB out of the cabinet, Starmer is now getting criticized for his comments on "Defund the police" today:


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Post by Pretentious Hipster » June 29th, 2020, 6:14 pm

Starmer is an idiot who I think will fail to stop Boris.

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Post by brokenface » June 29th, 2020, 6:56 pm

He's not an idiot, he's a politician who wants to be the next PM. He is trying to position himself to have a chance of winning the next election.

US and UK are different countries, political positions like this don't necessarily translate. 'Defund the police' is an imported US campaign demand that really needs explanation and translation for people to understand what it's saying before you can even hope for them to agree with it. It'd be way too easy for political opponents to take 'defund the police' to simply mean cut the number of police on the street...soft on crime. You've lost the next election already if you take that position now.

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Post by Dolwphin » June 29th, 2020, 7:23 pm

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