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Would you consider Labour if Nandy did win, Cipp?
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Where I live it’s a solid Conservative area so with First psst the post my vote makes no difference. For now i support Boris, wait and see as the budget will surprise a lot of people. But I believe Nandy is a much better candidate than Starmer who I think may just beat RLB. I don’t think Nandy will win but I can see she understands people a lot more than the others. Starmer is tainted by beating so much anti Brexit so would not do well in the north, but better than Corbyn. RLB is actually worse than Corbyn so would ruin the Labour Party. I think Starmer will win though.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... d-cautious

This is a god analysis actually, showing Boris to be a lot different to how many people on the left think of him
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Cippenham wrote: January 24th, 2020, 6:28 am https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... d-cautious

This is a god analysis actually, showing Boris to be a lot different to how many people on the left think of him
Joke article. Author clearly doesn't understand Brexit. It's binary, Johnson can't be close to Europe and the US at the same time, they're competing blocs. He's done nothing for the poor of this country, nothing on benefits, food banks, homelessness, drug rehab, and guess what, there's nothing to come either. All the lord's amendments to the Brexit bill have been rejected, child refugees lost protections and damage was done to the separation of the courts and government.

All the author has done is throw doubt on what BoJo thinks at night when he puts on his jimjams. Maybe he does lie there and think, "Was I a proper twazzock to back this Brexit stuff?", i don't give a fuck to be honest, he did back it and he's set a train of events in motion which are now unstoppable. Why are there so many articles trying to humanise a guy who has dehumanised so many? Fuck him, seriously. There's frost tonight, how about you motherfuckers on the right devote 5 minutes to thinking what it's like to be a rough sleeper out in that.

Wake the fuck up.
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Johnson hasnt been in for 5 minutes no budget yet
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All the amendments are right to be rejected and not to do with Brexit. They will be put on separate bills if needed
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On the day he was to present the buget in the Scotish Parl, SNP Finance Secretary Derek Mackay has resigned:



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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ss-leaders

Do a deal with obvious negative consequences. Deny, lie, call others liars and fear-mongers when they point out these consequences - then when you win the election, do a backflip and call it inevitable after the fact. And for the kicker claim the election gives you a mandate to do the very thing you claimed would not be necessary.

"The only way in which you could avoid those customs procedures and regulatory checks would be if you were to align with EU law and if you were to align with EU law we would be undermining the basis on which the prime minister secured the mandate at the general election to affirm our departure,”
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brokenface wrote: February 10th, 2020, 6:54 pm https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ss-leaders

Do a deal with obvious negative consequences. Deny, lie, call others liars and fear-mongers when they point out these consequences - then when you win the election, do a backflip and call it inevitable after the fact. And for the kicker claim the election gives you a mandate to do the very thing you claimed would not be necessary.

"The only way in which you could avoid those customs procedures and regulatory checks would be if you were to align with EU law and if you were to align with EU law we would be undermining the basis on which the prime minister secured the mandate at the general election to affirm our departure,”
But we've taken back control :ermm: and brexit means brexit :ermm: the will of the people has been heard :ermm: we have our sovereignty back :ermm: project fear :ermm: ...the fisherman... :ermm: ...straight bananas... :ermm: :yucky: :mw_confused: :pinch: :blink: :huh: :o :o :o
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We are not going to align with EU law.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/brexi ... fs-1382656
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Cippenham wrote: February 11th, 2020, 7:39 am We are not going to align with EU law.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/brexi ... fs-1382656
What does that mean? How do you sell a product to Europe that doesn't comply with European standards. I'm dying to know the answer oh great mage of this debate.
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Rishi Sunak replaces Javid as chancellor because Johnson and Cummings needed to find someone with even less spine.

Every time I've seen Sunak interviewed it's been clear he is a worthless ass-kisser, happy to parrot any Johnson lie to stay in favour. Way out of his depth but that seems to be a required qualification for cabinet now.
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brokenface wrote: February 13th, 2020, 12:37 pm Rishi Sunak replaces Javid as chancellor because Johnson and Cummings needed to find someone with even less spine.

Every time I've seen Sunak interviewed it's been clear he is a worthless ass-kisser, happy to parrot any Johnson lie to stay in favour. Way out of his depth but that seems to be a required qualification for cabinet now.
This is bang on. Also you're the first person I've noticed routinely acknowledging that Cummings is basically in charge, though Boris like Harkonnen could pull the plug at any time, just like Trump/Bannon. All hail this wondrous period of "democracy".
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matthewscott8 wrote: February 13th, 2020, 2:00 pm though Boris like Harkonnen could pull the plug at any time, just like Trump/Bannon.
:D I'm actually reading Dune at the minute!

And yes true, Cummings has power now but will find himself under a bus if it suits Johnson sometime down the line.
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Two Labour MP's place themselves in self-isolation,after learning that they have attended a conference,where a fellow guest had coronavirus:

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... t-a-glance

An astonishing left of centre budget from a so called Conservative government. These people are way to the left of mainstream Democrats in the US

Still it’s better than Marxist Labour
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For me I would have massive cuts in government spending, closing whole departments.
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Cippenham wrote: March 11th, 2020, 10:44 pm https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... t-a-glance

An astonishing left of centre budget from a so called Conservative government. These people are way to the left of mainstream Democrats in the US

Still it’s better than Marxist Labour
Mainstream Democrats in the US are to the right of every major political party in the world ... so not saying much.

(And Labour isn't Marxist)
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I think Corbyn is marxist but yes Starmer is his likely replacement. He is still on the far left.
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Cippenham wrote: March 12th, 2020, 6:41 pm I think Corbyn is marxist but yes Starmer is his likely replacement. He is still on the far left.
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FFS, can you please start reading your own sources?
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Why , Corbyn was on the wrong side. He hates his own country and the west generally.
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Opposing the Soviet Union was the wrong side? Interesting that you feel this way.
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Like Benn whom it says was a Marxist , his point of view was exactly that
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What do you believe your source say?
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Raab has today issued advice that all non essential travel should cease. It's March 17th, where have you been? Incompetent government.
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Off topic Matthew, but sorry for overreacting a few weeks ago. I realized that we have our disagreements, but I've been seeing your posts recently and am agreeing with and/or enjoying them. I do have trouble controlling my emotions. I've unblocked you and can't wait to see your future posts
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No I think they are trying to act at the right time, but massive support for business announced
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Boris is basically leading a socialist government and is now thinking of introduction of a Universal Basic Income, supposedly on a temporary basis

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/bor ... irus-crash
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Given socialism doesn’t work, there will be a financial ruin cost to pay eventually.
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You still don't know what Socialism is I see.

(Even Nixon pushed for UBI, it has its roots in Right Wing Libertarianism).

Right now the Tories are doing standard (Social) Liberalism. In times of economic crisis essentially all governments do this.
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Massive governmental intervention and control, is socialism , in an attempt to (help) people but it makes it worse
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Cippenham wrote: March 18th, 2020, 8:35 pm Massive governmental intervention and control, is socialism , in an attempt to (help) people but it makes it worse
What's your solution cipp? Are you still following Piers Corbyn? The climate expert is currently working on spreading rumours George Soros and Bill Clinton are behind covid19 (i wish i was joking)
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Cippenham wrote: March 18th, 2020, 8:35 pm Massive governmental intervention and control, is socialism , in an attempt to (help) people but it makes it worse
Nope, it is called Keynesianism/Social Liberalism.


(Essentially all European countries use Keynesianism, and essentially all countries use it in a crisis, it is demonstrated to "work", that's why they keep doing it)

I'm pretty sure you know that.

No reason to pretend you don't.

You are also smart enough to know that calling everything Socialism and then claim "it" (700+ different ideas from the extreme left to hard right) does not work is ... well, absurd and dishonest.

(And isn't it funny that you know the countries with the largest degrees of actual Socialism in Europe (actual socialism being collective/worker ownership), i.e. the Scandinavian countries, keep being among the countries that perform the best)
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No, I was right . Too late now to argue though.
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Cippenham wrote: March 18th, 2020, 10:12 pm No, I was right . Too late now to argue though.
If you honestly don't know what Keynesianism/Social Liberalism is, why are you even discussing politics?

How can someone who posts so much on a topic know so little?

And then come back with "No, I was right"?

This is genuinely sad. What is even in this for you?
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Of course i know what those things are. For me socialism is state control and ownership so reducing the freedom of the individual and destroying wealth creation
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It was late at night on previous post. I have read many books and articles on economics. The Road to Serfdom being one of the best, that is the road we are on. Oil wealth and sovereign wealth fund is something we do not have now. That protects Norway a lot i guess
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So you live in your own imaginary world where you get to redefine whatever you want and then pretend you're right?

Thank you for finally clarifying why talking to you is always pointless.

(and yes, that aspect of collective ownership/Socialism does protect Norway a lot, but you are against such things).
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Pretentious Hipster wrote: March 17th, 2020, 4:19 pm Off topic Matthew, but sorry for overreacting a few weeks ago. I realized that we have our disagreements, but I've been seeing your posts recently and am agreeing with and/or enjoying them. I do have trouble controlling my emotions. I've unblocked you and can't wait to see your future posts
It's good to get along again. :hug:
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