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The terrible thing about MDMA is not the drug itself, but that you almost never actually get MDMA when you buy it. He says that most of the time when you buy MDMA you end up getting Mephedrone or Methylone instead. Here's a good video on it:



I tried weed in 3 different forms. Vapour just made me tired, joint didn't do anything, and a bong made me cough for hours and made my head feel heavy. Maybe it was bad weed but I dunno. I'd love to try psychedelics especially because one of them helps with ocd, but with my having a predisposition for mental illness I really dunno.
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What type psychedelics are you looking to score, art? And aren't you in the least worried about the side effects?
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Acid and mushrooms. They actually seem fairly safe for the most part, it's just the trip itself that could be dangerous. I'm sure it's a hell of a lot safer than alcohol. If I was gonna do it it was gonna be a light dose first and with a trip sitter. But like I said, the only side effect I'm worried about is my predisposition to schizophrenia and drugs could trigger it earlier.
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Waiting for our Dutch coffee shop aficionados to weigh in...Joachim & Gert?
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Canada will probably have weed legalized soon now that liberals won the majority in the elections. Still I find it hilarious how 2 states in America legalized weed before Canada.
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I put it this way: during my time at university there were very few drugs I didn't try.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
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Ettinauer226XL on Dec 1 2015, 03:05:19 PM wrote:The terrible thing about MDMA is not the drug itself, but that you almost never actually get MDMA when you buy it. He says that most of the time when you buy MDMA you end up getting Mephedrone or Methylone instead.
Yeah if you buy a random pill in a club it's a crapshoot (though I understand it's generally easier to get good stuff in Europe than N.America). MDMA itself should be legal. There are health risks but like most things it's moderation (i.e. learn your limits) and random chance (e.g. you could have some heart defect you don't know about and a pill could trigger it; but then you could have a rare nut allergy). Can't remove the risks but they would be lessened if you knew exactly what you were getting.

There was a real sad case in my town a couple years ago where this girl took far more than she should've done due to naivety/ignorance and it was much stronger stuff than you might usually get, and she died. Her mother actually now campaigns for legalisation on the basis that it's safer if there's regulation and you can know what you are getting. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ox ... e-27811553

Current situation is kinda like if alcohol was sold in unmarked bottles and you don't know exactly what it is until after you've downed it. Most of the time it's equivalent to beer and it'll do the job, sometimes might have a bit of unpleasant stuff mixed in, occasionally might be something that makes you real ill, and even more occasionally it's rat poison and kills you. Have a regulated system where you get pills with known purity and a lot of risk would be removed. MDMA is also a far, far less antisocial drug than alcohol..
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metaller on Dec 1 2015, 03:32:49 PM wrote:I put it this way: during my time at university there were very few drugs I didn't try.
So a case of "young and stupid" or "damn, I wish I could do it all over again"?
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Ettinauer226XL on Dec 1 2015, 03:18:14 PM wrote:Canada will probably have weed legalized soon now that liberals won the majority in the elections. Still I find it hilarious how 2 states in America legalized weed before Canada.
It's four states a d District of Columbia, actually. Plus a number of states have decriminalized possession.

Drug use should be decriminalized, of course, and at least the milder ones should be made legal. Don't use any though.
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monty on Dec 1 2015, 03:48:07 PM wrote:
metaller on Dec 1 2015, 03:32:49 PM wrote:I put it this way: during my time at university there were very few drugs I didn't try.
So a case of "young and stupid" or "damn, I wish I could do it all over again"?
I enjoyed it at the time, I just simply grew out of it. Once I got a job there were less parties which resulted in fewer drugs.
Nowadays even when I go partying I don't even barely drink anymore.
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Kowry on Dec 1 2015, 04:05:44 PM wrote:
Ettinauer226XL on Dec 1 2015, 03:18:14 PM wrote:Canada will probably have weed legalized soon now that liberals won the majority in the elections. Still I find it hilarious how 2 states in America legalized weed before Canada.
It's four states a d District of Columbia, actually. Plus a number of states have decriminalized possession.

Drug use should be decriminalized, of course, and at least the milder ones should be made legal. Don't use any though.
Drugs should be decriminalized and drug addiction should be treated as a health problem as opposed to a crime problem.
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monty on Dec 1 2015, 03:15:15 PM wrote:Waiting for our Dutch coffee shop aficionados to weigh in...Joachim & Gert?
I never tried anything. Not even weed. I never even took one suck at a normal cigarette in my life.
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joachimt on Dec 1 2015, 04:33:42 PM wrote:
monty on Dec 1 2015, 03:15:15 PM wrote:Waiting for our Dutch coffee shop aficionados to weigh in...Joachim & Gert?
I never tried anything. Not even weed. I never even took one suck at a normal cigarette in my life.
But if the opportunity arose - say, like at an iCM meeting with Art - you would be interested in giving drugs a shot?
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joachimt on Dec 1 2015, 04:33:42 PM wrote:
monty on Dec 1 2015, 03:15:15 PM wrote:Waiting for our Dutch coffee shop aficionados to weigh in...Joachim & Gert?
I never tried anything. Not even weed. I never even took one suck at a normal cigarette in my life.
How about caffeine? Alcohol? It's pretty arbitrary which mind-altering substances have ended up legal and which ones prohibited..
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I have struggled with enough addictions (tobacco, alcohol, food, movies, the internet, etc. etc.) that I don't feel I need to go courting them.
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monty on Dec 1 2015, 03:15:15 PM wrote:Waiting for our Dutch coffee shop aficionados to weigh in...Joachim & Gert?
I thought we were taliking about pary drugs, xtc, ghb, speed, that kind of stuff. I don't consider weed party drugs. Then I would have answered I tried it a few times instead of interested in trying.
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I have been smoking weed with other people for the last 3 years on average once or twice a month. Only around 6 times I had had "discernabily-stronger-tripping" drug experiences, when my visual perception, memory procession and time grasp really get distorted, when my mind gushes philosophical thoughts in a splitting world on the verge of being and something else, when it analyses possibilities, people and relations around in a both diminished and amplified way, when my heart rate is so strong and rapid that it forcefully moves my chest with a high frequency and makes me quite anxious and also thinking that it could just kill me off right at any moment. This lasts for around 2-3 hours which then smoothly transits into a "cool-down" phase. The first time I experienced something like that (it's a highly complex state which I can't describe well of course) was at a park when I was waiting for a party to begin with some other people. After the experience started I immediately knew that this transition to some mild altered state was highly unique and that it would be retained in my mind as an important change, contextual to the rest of my life. I was so overwhelmed, excited, interested and anxious that I just walked in circles around a bench where the other people were sitting, not being able to keep track of my thoughts, naturally. In the bus on the way to that party some couple standing in front of me said something like "quel troupe" - my skin was visibly white-bleak, my expression was probably very strange and my eyes were red, I guess. On the party at someones house, ignoring the discontent of the people, I played a piece by Chopin on a piano that was there, and then I retreated to some corner. A girl I didn't know very well started talking to me and after some hours it has actually been decided between us to watch 'Requiem for a Dream' (of all films…) together, so we did. A couple of month later she would be my girlfriend for another couple of months.
The second time I had experienced it, was before a double-period maths lesson which were the first lessons I had on group theory. Everyone in the class of course realised that I was fairly high, but it was quite enjoyable and I understood the material and could even write legibly.
And lastly, I'll say that at one of those higher weed experiences I was laying on the ground and for around 15 minutes there was a deep, moving "spiral" before my open eyes, formed just out of visual snow, with shapes coming to existence and departing into the vast ungraspable elsewhere. "Beyond" the "spiral" (on the sides) there was an infinite sea of information.

Good times indeed.

I would probably like to try a hallucinogen sometime, but I'm scared over my heart pounding to its and my eventual death, I might need to read more upon heart conditions and tachycardia and drugs before taking the risk.
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monty on Dec 1 2015, 04:43:24 PM wrote:
joachimt on Dec 1 2015, 04:33:42 PM wrote:
monty on Dec 1 2015, 03:15:15 PM wrote:Waiting for our Dutch coffee shop aficionados to weigh in...Joachim & Gert?
I never tried anything. Not even weed. I never even took one suck at a normal cigarette in my life.
But if the opportunity arose - say, like at an iCM meeting with Art - you would be interested in giving drugs a shot?
No, absolutely not.
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brokenface on Dec 1 2015, 05:36:46 PM wrote:
joachimt on Dec 1 2015, 04:33:42 PM wrote:
monty on Dec 1 2015, 03:15:15 PM wrote:Waiting for our Dutch coffee shop aficionados to weigh in...Joachim & Gert?
I never tried anything. Not even weed. I never even took one suck at a normal cigarette in my life.
How about caffeine? Alcohol? It's pretty arbitrary which mind-altering substances have ended up legal and which ones prohibited..
I don't like coffee and I also don't like alcoholic liquor. I don't have a problem with alcohol, if used in small amounts, I just never got used to the taste during my teenage years, so I gave up on trying alcohol even before my student years.

Drugs I have a problem with, even in small amounts.
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My brother once made cupcakes with pot in them and I had a couple. Didn't care much about the drug thing, I just wanted cake. I have zero interest in any drugs. Like joachim, I've never tried a cigarette and I don't drink coffee. I don't really like alcohol, but I drink it socially mostly so I can get a 'check' on Untappd. But I also don't socialise much, so it's not really an issue. I rarely make it through even one pint, my friends are always finishing them off.
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Wait. You like cupcakes so much that you didn't care that there was weed in them? Just... what?
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well yeah. If someone makes cupcakes I'm gonna eat em. He said there wasn't enough to have any effect so I was like ok. Although they did for me...
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Ettinauer226XL on Dec 2 2015, 03:41:28 AM wrote:Wait. You like cupcakes so much that you didn't care that there was weed in them? Just... what?
motherfucker it's cake! of course!

I don't really care for cake. I prefer pies. but weed doesn't really go with pie.
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Sometimes I think I get used to it but mighty's way of thinking can leave me stunned lol
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I can understand mighty's reasoning. cake > drugs.
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When it comes to my general position: i am for a complete legalization of nearly all kind of drugs. Not so much for easier access, but I think it would be beneficial for society as a whole. It would eliminate drug realted crime quickly, make the general products cleaner and cheaper and the money saved in a "war on drugs" can be put to better use to addiction prevention / healing.
I also don't think it would generate more users. People that want to use already use in an illegal environment, and those would be better off after legalization.

I'm a bit selfish in that way, because Iguess I would be finally be able to easily track down some DMT then. That's one thing I always wanted to try and never have. And I wouldn't mind to get my hands on some LSD again. That was the most fun stuff I ever had.
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metaller on Dec 2 2015, 05:03:07 AM wrote:When it comes to my general position: i am for a complete legalization of nearly all kind of drugs. Not so much for easier access, but I think it would be beneficial for society as a whole. It would eliminate drug realted crime quickly, make the general products cleaner and cheaper and the money saved in a "war on drugs" can be put to better use to addiction prevention / healing.
I also don't think it would generate more users. People that want to use already use in an illegal environment, and those would be better off after legalization.

I'm a bit selfish in that way, because Iguess I would be finally be able to easily track down some DMT then. That's one thing I always wanted to try and never have. And I wouldn't mind to get my hands on some LSD again. That was the most fun stuff I ever had.
I agree with the most. I do agree legalization and easier access won't result in much more heavy users and addicts. I only think the amount of incidental users and people that just try it out once might increase. People might be more inclined to try something out when they can just get it over the counter instead of having to make connections to get a illegal dealer. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, that should be avoided. But I do think it will have a small effect. But this is just my gut feeling. There are probably researches about how the legalization of weed had effect on the amount of usage.
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Lonewolf2003 on Dec 1 2015, 06:29:38 PM wrote:
monty on Dec 1 2015, 03:15:15 PM wrote:Waiting for our Dutch coffee shop aficionados to weigh in...Joachim & Gert?
I thought we were taliking about pary drugs, xtc, ghb, speed, that kind of stuff. I don't consider weed party drugs. Then I would have answered I tried it a few times instead of interested in trying.
Yeah, that's what I would say ... Downers regularly aren't considered party drugs.

I've had my share of weed during my student days, but it's been at least five years since I had my last because it gets me extremely drowsy the next day. Which feels pretty good, actually, but I can't afford it any longer to stay in bed till late in the afternoon. However I'd love to have some again once.

Once tried some speed, but that was after a lot of alcohol. It only kept me on my feet a bit longer, I guess, but I didn't really notice the effects and I wouldn't try it again.
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mightysparks on Dec 2 2015, 03:53:36 AM wrote:well yeah. If someone makes cupcakes I'm gonna eat em. He said there wasn't enough to have any effect so I was like ok. Although they did for me...
We never eat fruitcake, it's chock full of rum
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3eyes on Dec 2 2015, 12:36:38 PM wrote:
mightysparks on Dec 2 2015, 03:53:36 AM wrote:well yeah. If someone makes cupcakes I'm gonna eat em. He said there wasn't enough to have any effect so I was like ok. Although they did for me...
We never eat fruitcake, it's chock full of rum
and the least little bit makes a man like a bum.
Did you ever see a more horrible sight
than a man eating fruitcake until he got tight?

We never eat cookies, they're chock full of yeast
and the least little bit makes a man like a beast.
Did you ever see a more awful disgrace
than a man in the gutter with crumbs on his face?
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Carmel98 on Dec 1 2015, 06:29:49 PM wrote:And lastly, I'll say that at one of those higher weed experiences I was laying on the ground and for around 15 minutes there was a deep, moving "spiral" before my open eyes, formed just out of visual snow, with shapes coming to existence and departing into the vast ungraspable elsewhere. "Beyond" the "spiral" (on the sides) there was an infinite sea of information.
I had a similar experience after I ate some cake with weed in it (I hate smoking). I also listened some goa and psytrance on YouTube while watching the accompanying clips with moving spiral-y things. It was expensive, but pretty cool. :)
mightysparks on Dec 2 2015, 12:56:30 AM wrote:My brother once made cupcakes with pot in them and I had a couple. Didn't care much about the drug thing, I just wanted cake. I have zero interest in any drugs. Like joachim, I've never tried a cigarette and I don't drink coffee. I don't really like alcohol, but I drink it socially mostly so I can get a 'check' on Untappd. But I also don't socialise much, so it's not really an issue. I rarely make it through even one pint, my friends are always finishing them off.
Ettinauer226XL on Dec 2 2015, 03:41:28 AM wrote:Wait. You like cupcakes so much that you didn't care that there was weed in them? Just... what?
Yeah, this. And I thought that weed cake was supposed to taste meh, since the sugar neutralizes the effect of THC?
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I've never tried party drugs and I don't intend to.

I don't intend to party either.

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3eyes on Dec 2 2015, 12:36:38 PM wrote:
mightysparks on Dec 2 2015, 03:53:36 AM wrote:well yeah. If someone makes cupcakes I'm gonna eat em. He said there wasn't enough to have any effect so I was like ok. Although they did for me...
We never eat fruitcake, it's chock full of rum
and the least little bit makes a man like a bum.
Did you ever see a more horrible sight
than a man eating fruitcake until he got tight?

We never eat cookies, they're chock full of yeast
and the least little bit makes a man like a beast.
Did you ever see a more awful disgrace
than a man in the gutter with crumbs on his face?
:lol:

I had a couple of great-great aunts who never touched alcohol because of all the ills it causes (they died before I was born, so the story was relayed to me by my parents). Except for cherry wine, which, as they put it, is a 100% natural product and therefore had to be good for you. They regularly got drunk on that, apparently never knowing what they were engaging in.
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Lammetje on Dec 2 2015, 01:30:05 PM wrote:(clipped)

Yeah, this. And I thought that weed cake was supposed to taste meh, since the sugar neutralizes the effect of THC?
HUH?!? :wacko: If sugar neutralizes the effect of THC why are pot brownies and cookies (and other baked goods) so popular? Sorry, experiences tells me sugar doesn't neutralize the effect of THC. Not one bit.

Now there is a concern about marijuana sweets being consumed by unsuspecting folks with a sweet tooth like mighty. So far though, since only bud can be purchased in the local recreational market, we haven't heard of too many problems along this line. Haven't seen much coming out of Washington (state) either. But I know a lot of attention is going into the packaging and marketing of edibles as full retail in the recreational marijuana comes to Oregon in 2016.
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I'm assuming that it would be a more popular form because you ingest it, not smoke it and cough like hell. Makes me wonder why tea is not a more popular form then. I'm sure with some spices and herbs it would take away the taste.
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xianjiro on Dec 2 2015, 11:05:25 PM wrote:Now there is a concern about marijuana sweets being consumed by unsuspecting folks with a sweet tooth like mighty. So far though, since only bud can be purchased in the local recreational market, we haven't heard of too many problems along this line. Haven't seen much coming out of Washington (state) either. But I know a lot of attention is going into the packaging and marketing of edibles as full retail in the recreational marijuana comes to Oregon in 2016.
Eh? The most serious problems in Washington and Colorado so far have been related to edibles, with which it is hardest for the consumer to recognize and monitor the amount of the drug being consumed. Lawmakers have come down hardest on the edible industry, trying to establish safe standards.
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Ettinauer226XL on Dec 2 2015, 11:06:54 PM wrote:I'm assuming that it would be a more popular form because you ingest it, not smoke it and cough like hell. Makes me wonder why tea is not a more popular form then. I'm sure with some spices and herbs it would take away the taste.
Ingesting is definitely my preference but there are drawbacks there as well - if you ingest with a stomach full of fats and proteins or anything causes your digestion to slow down - you won't get 'high' for a very long time. The rule of thumb for edibles is to wait at least 45 minutes (while smoking is more like 45 seconds) but some edibles are more readily digested and my understanding is this has a lot to do with method of preparation (related to the binding of the cannabinoids to fats). Okay, so back to the problem, people who don't feel the 'high' or don't feel it quick enough risk either getting too much in their system or have the drugs in their system a lot longer than intended. In other words, a Friday night high can effect one's driving to work on Saturday morning. And while one might laugh about the apparent 'stupidity' related to using marijuana blah, blah, blah, it is increasingly common in certain medical treatment communities (cancer, HIV, not sure what all else) because of the perceived manageability of side effects.

I have not seen too much on MJ tea in my research as MJ doesn't dissolve in water (needs fat or alcohol is my understanding) though I'm sure a truer chai or east Asian Highlands style brew (made with high fat (non-cow) milk or butter) might work. I've been curious about Green Dragon, but not run across it yet nor been curious enough to try a 'home brew' as there are some risks to making it.

Oh, the one other thing related to edible vs smoking - in theory it should be easier to come up with actual dosage in edibles - the process should be much more controllable. In Oregon, strains are tested and include THC and CBD percentages on the label.
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Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Dec 2 2015, 11:18:53 PM wrote:
xianjiro on Dec 2 2015, 11:05:25 PM wrote:Now there is a concern about marijuana sweets being consumed by unsuspecting folks with a sweet tooth like mighty. So far though, since only bud can be purchased in the local recreational market, we haven't heard of too many problems along this line. Haven't seen much coming out of Washington (state) either. But I know a lot of attention is going into the packaging and marketing of edibles as full retail in the recreational marijuana comes to Oregon in 2016.
Eh? The most serious problems in Washington and Colorado so far have been related to edibles, with which it is hardest for the consumer to recognize and monitor the amount of the drug being consumed. Lawmakers have come down hardest on the edible industry, trying to establish safe standards.
My sense is this is much more about media hype than 'thousands of unsuspecting' mj eaters ODing since legalization. Oregon's approach has been slower and labeling will play a crucial role as well control on quantity of the drug in edibles. This is currently hotly debated as different users need different amounts - the claim is the current proposed rule is too low requiring some to need to ingest much more sugar, fat, etc to get the dosage than really is necessary. Don't know exactly how this will shake out but it appears we will have, for some time, two distinct distribution channels - recreational and medical - both regulated by different agencies with different rules. (Not the case during the current, transitional period though since dispensaries are able to sell to the recreational market in limited ways - and are required to do it in different, controlled access rooms of the dispensary.)
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