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Starting from next tuesday, i'll become vegetarian again!
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can't say the combo of Beyond meat, pb, jelly, etc looks at all appetizing. I think I'd rather eat a handful of grass, lol.
Armoreska wrote: April 15th, 2021, 11:10 am OMFS I just noticed that Dominion is an official check now (glanced at that image again)
Does this film have any connection to the book by Matt Scully? I used that for a research paper I wrote about 20 years ago... prob check out the doc soon.
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Lakigigar wrote: April 15th, 2021, 11:44 am Starting from next tuesday, i'll become vegetarian again!
Rock on, Laki. I'd say with your BMI of less than 19 make sure you focus on a lot of calorie-dense, protein options (e.g. nuts, seeds, peanuts, etc.) and dont' skimp on healthy fats. I had previous problems keeping wieght on when I was younger and went veg (and then vegan), but middle age and my slowing metabolism seem to have helped in that dept.
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Lakigigar wrote: April 15th, 2021, 11:44 am Starting from next tuesday, i'll become vegetarian again!
What was your previous status?
I can see you once left a comment about looking to do that
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Armoreska wrote: April 15th, 2021, 11:57 am
Lakigigar wrote: April 15th, 2021, 11:44 am Starting from next tuesday, i'll become vegetarian again!
What was your previous status?
I can see you once left a comment about looking to do that
meat eater but partially because i felt pressure to eat meat when i didn't want to do, but given there was talk about not us eating healthy enough, i have already said that this is what i'm going to change, and that i'll skip evening meals too (so it will be intermittent fasting too).

I don't like meat replacers, so i'm probably not going to eat meats and that kind of stuff, just vegetables and lots of pasta and salads
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peeptoad wrote: April 15th, 2021, 11:53 am Does this film have any connection to the book by Matt Scully? I used that for a research paper I wrote about 20 years ago... prob check out the doc soon.
No. It's an update of Earthlings, so unless you're an animal rights or docu completionist (which is all me), there's no reason to watch both of those, or any for that matter, although all conformists should watch at least one.
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Armoreska wrote: April 15th, 2021, 12:01 pm
peeptoad wrote: April 15th, 2021, 11:53 am Does this film have any connection to the book by Matt Scully? I used that for a research paper I wrote about 20 years ago... prob check out the doc soon.
No. It's an update of Earthlings, so unless you're an animal rights or docu completionist (which is all me), there's no reason to watch both of those, or any for that matter, although all conformists should watch at least one.
Thanks. Haven't seen Earthlings, but I've seen several other docs on the subject (most recently Land of Hope and Glory), so I'll check Dominion. It's easy to find anyway...
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yes, Land of Hope and Glory is more of the same I guess except maybe less info and UK-centered while Dominion is Aus-centered
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a bunch of OG quotes

Do not unjustly eat fish the water has given up,
And do not desire as food the flesh of slaughtered animals,
Or the white milk of mothers who intended its pure draught
for their young, not noble ladies.
And do not grieve the unsuspecting birds by taking eggs;
for injustice is the worst of crimes.
And spare the honey which the bees get industriously
from the flowers of fragrant plants;
For they did not store it that it might belong to others,
Nor did they gather it for bounty and gifts.
I washed my hands of all this; and wish that I
Perceived my way before my hair went gray!
Abul ʿAla Al-Maʿarri

Europeans are awakening more and more to a sense that beasts have rights, in proportion as the strange notion is being gradually overcome and outgrown, that the animal kingdom came into existence solely for the benefit and pleasure of man. This view, with the corollary that non-human living creatures are to be regarded merely as things, is at the root of the rough and altogether reckless treatment of them, which obtains in the West.

It is asserted that beasts have no rights; the illusion is harboured that our conduct, so far as they are concerned, has no moral significance, or, as it is put in the language of these codes, that "there are no duties to be fulfilled towards animals." Such a view is one of revolting coarseness, a barbarism of the West, whose source is Judaism. In philosophy, however, it rests on the assumption, despite all evidence to the contrary, of the radical difference between man and beast,—a doctrine which, as is well known, was proclaimed with more trenchant emphasis by Descartes than by any one else: it was indeed the necessary consequence of his mistakes.
Arthur Schopenhauer, On the Basis of Morality

The butchering of harmless animals cannot fail to produce much of that spirit of insane and hideous exultation in which news of a victory is related altho' purchased by the massacre of a hundred thousand men.
If the use of animal food be, in consequence, subversive to the peace of human society, how unwarrantable is the injustice and barbarity which is exercised toward these miserable victims. They are called into existence by human artifice that they may drag out a short and miserable existence of slavery and disease, that their bodies may be mutilated, their social feelings outraged. It were much better that a sentient being should never have existed, than that it should have existed only to endure unmitigated misery.
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Eleven Madison Park goes almost fully plant based, the first among the top restaurants

Are conservos gonna hate that?
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Armoreska wrote: May 6th, 2021, 5:34 pm Eleven Madison Park goes almost fully plant based, the first among the top restaurants

Are conservos gonna hate that?
My mom emailed me an article about this the other day, rock and roll. Hopefully it's the tip of a larger trend...
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gotta love cheeeeeze
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Armoreska wrote: March 6th, 2021, 8:03 pm one of the most enjoyable b movies and then they added the pro vegan argument (which is also on the Twilight Zone)
I always KNEW vegans were ALIENS! :P
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Just printed out several of these to try on my off-time... I love cooking and esp with a glass of red wine in hand. :D
some of these look very promising... hopefully they've been tested , more or less, because one recipe I tried from a different site for vegan alfredo sauce was terrible (and clearly hadn't been run through a test kitchen).

https://www.feastingathome.com/vegan-dinner-recipes/
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peeptoad wrote: May 14th, 2021, 12:50 pm Just printed out several of these to try on my off-time... I love cooking and esp with a glass of red wine in hand. :D
some of these look very promising... hopefully they've been tested , more or less, because one recipe I tried from a different site for vegan alfredo sauce was terrible (and clearly hadn't been run through a test kitchen).

https://www.feastingathome.com/vegan-dinner-recipes/
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blast! thanks Lammetje.
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This is the best vegan cheese I've tried so far, aside from the 365 plant based 'parmesan '.
Most non dairy cheeses make me gag mightily but this one wasn't bad. I used it in tacos-
https://www.goveggiefoods.com/products/ ... an/cheddar
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peeptoad wrote: May 27th, 2021, 9:45 pm This is the best vegan cheese I've tried so far, aside from the 365 plant based 'parmesan '.
Most non dairy cheeses make me gag mightily but this one wasn't bad. I used it in tacos-
https://www.goveggiefoods.com/products/ ... an/cheddar
Haven't seen this one yet in local stores, but I only go to a couple - I hate shopping.

But it's pretty clear they are taking different approaches and they difference, especially in taste, can be striking. I'm glad this is a growing market: it will mean more competition which we hope will result in better products long term AND maybe we'll have fewer cows in factory dairies. Anything that reduces factory farming is a good thing in my book, but honestly, I doubt plant-based cheese and meat will make that big of a dent for a few years yet.

I guess though the dairy industry has been feeling it in the milk aisle: soy, rice, almond, oat, etc.

Malk, anyone? (Wonder if this company watched The Simpsons.)
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Took me half a year to finish my small stick of vegan butter. It was nice. Another product off the list. I guess now to wait for plant milk chocolate to manifest itself locally.
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Armoreska wrote: May 28th, 2021, 8:08 am Took me half a year to finish my small stick of vegan butter. It was nice. Another product off the list. I guess now to wait for plant milk chocolate to manifest itself locally.
Not much of a butter fan? :lol: I realized that there's a brand of margarine here that doesn't have that typical margarine taste but is close to dairy butter and wondered how I had overlooked that for so long. You probably know already but most dark chocolates have a good chance of being accidentally vegan. Waiting for a good and affordable vegan white chocolate though

I also realized that quite a few good products (like minced meat, burgers, cevapcici) that I've been missing for a while have actually been moved from the veggie section to the meat section and other stuff is also now in the parts of the supermarket I previously skipped (or actively avoided). My vegan friends were equally surprised :shrug: I guess that's what some of the manufacturers (like Beyond Meat) are fighting for (to have more growth in the "flexitarian" market) and probably it also means that veggie supply and demand have outgrown the dedicated veggie section again

And Lidl has just strongly extended it's veggie product line with ~10 new vegan products including cheese, pizza, gyros, fish sticks, cheese sticks, ... as expected nothing in the highend range but very affordable. My stingy inner German is pleased. I actively have to remind myself to eat more unprocessed vegetables nowadays.

We also had restaurants reopening after the lockdown last week and I had almost forgotten how many "vegan" signs there are in the hipper parts of the city
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Yea I recently discovered my supermarket had a small meatless section in the meat section where they were hiding delicious chick’n chunks and nuggets and facon etc. although annoyingly it’s mixed with kangaroo meat and cheesy meat sausages so I have to be careful where I’m looking
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Melvelet wrote: May 28th, 2021, 10:36 am
Armoreska wrote: May 28th, 2021, 8:08 am Took me half a year to finish my small stick of vegan butter. It was nice. Another product off the list. I guess now to wait for plant milk chocolate to manifest itself locally.
Not much of a butter fan?
I rarely eat bread so didn't have an opportunity for a while. Then I thought I really needed to finish it and started working on it. After it was gone, I went to the store and discovered some new fancy soya-bread to try but was now out of something to put on it. =(
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xianjiro wrote: May 27th, 2021, 11:55 pm
peeptoad wrote: May 27th, 2021, 9:45 pm This is the best vegan cheese I've tried so far, aside from the 365 plant based 'parmesan '.
Most non dairy cheeses make me gag mightily but this one wasn't bad. I used it in tacos-
https://www.goveggiefoods.com/products/ ... an/cheddar
Haven't seen this one yet in local stores, but I only go to a couple - I hate shopping.

But it's pretty clear they are taking different approaches and they difference, especially in taste, can be striking. I'm glad this is a growing market: it will mean more competition which we hope will result in better products long term AND maybe we'll have fewer cows in factory dairies. Anything that reduces factory farming is a good thing in my book, but honestly, I doubt plant-based cheese and meat will make that big of a dent for a few years yet.

I guess though the dairy industry has been feeling it in the milk aisle: soy, rice, almond, oat, etc.

Malk, anyone? (Wonder if this company watched The Simpsons.)
Lol on the malk... hopefully it's better quality than the Simpsons variety.
I had never seen the Go Veggie brand before either, but I figured I'd try it and lo and behold it was way better than other varieties so far (imo). The ingredients are different than most pf the other stuff I've seen, but it's still essentially just oil and starch. I don't eat the replacement cheese too often since it's kind of empty calories. Soy milk is still my preferred malk replacement.

Armoreska wrote: May 28th, 2021, 8:08 am Took me half a year to finish my small stick of vegan butter. It was nice. Another product off the list. I guess now to wait for plant milk chocolate to manifest itself locally.
mine lasts quite a long time too. That one time I made vegan gingersnaps it went a bit faster though...
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new Miss Universe is a self described vegan, although I guess it's in the liberal sense
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Tonight's (and next couple of nights) yummy all-vegan dinner:

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Crumbed cauliflower on sweet potato mash with a side of beans and peas and mushroom gravy. Best crumbing I've ever done. Usually falls off and I get like 10% of crumbing.

Recipe here: https://www.rabbitandwolves.com/vegan-c ... er-steaks/
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we grinded chickpeas for the first time recently. it's called hummus, they say. although this one lacks tahini.
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Those cauliflower steaks look good.
I'm making this tomorrow when I get home: https://www.feastingathome.com/whole-ro ... and-sumac/
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I know this kind of goes against veganism but I was planning on making this vegan ‘chicken’ soup: https://www.thecheaplazyvegan.com/low-calorie-recipes/ but I cannot eat nutritional yeast, it makes me sick. Should I just use 1:1 with Parmesan or cheddar? Or is there another option I can substitute? Idk exactly what nutritional yeast replaces except vague cheese flavour.
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Chick pea flour? Miso?
I've never substituted that before
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For vegetarians (vegans can ignore):


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mightysparks wrote: May 31st, 2021, 3:11 pm I know this kind of goes against veganism but I was planning on making this vegan ‘chicken’ soup: https://www.thecheaplazyvegan.com/low-calorie-recipes/ but I cannot eat nutritional yeast, it makes me sick. Should I just use 1:1 with Parmesan or cheddar? Or is there another option I can substitute? Idk exactly what nutritional yeast replaces except vague cheese flavour.
my understanding is that nutritional yeast is added for certain B vitamins and also to give a "cheese-like" flavour. So it really depends what you are substituting for - nutrition or flavour.

I don't find nutritional yeast to be a good substitute in something like mac-n-cheese but I've gotten used to the flavour in certain other vegan dishes. I'd choose a faux cheese at this stage if I was trying to recreate mac-n-cheese, which is all about flavour and comfort.

What did you end up doing?
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I haven’t made it yet but I’m thinking of going with Parmesan cheese. Haven’t found any other suitable options. I’ll report back when I do. Also it’s not Mac and cheese it’s ‘chicken’ soup so I’m not sure what the nutritional yeast is there for (never had cheesy chicken soup).

Idk if nutritional yeast is different in other countries but it doesn’t taste anything like cheese and is too spicy. It sucks.
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mightysparks wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 7:50 pm I haven’t made it yet but I’m thinking of going with Parmesan cheese. Haven’t found any other suitable options. I’ll report back when I do. Also it’s not Mac and cheese it’s ‘chicken’ soup so I’m not sure what the nutritional yeast is there for (never had cheesy chicken soup).

Idk if nutritional yeast is different in other countries but it doesn’t taste anything like cheese and is too spicy. It sucks.
yeah, I'm with you on it not tasting like cheese and honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it's stronger in other countries - I don't really know enough about it TBH. The mac-n-cheese was an example of a common vegan recipe alternative that relies on NY - I only mentioned it because it's something I have personal experience with.

Then I'm thinking NY is added for the nutritional benefits (to make up for not having actual chicken) - have you seen this article? https://www.iamgoingvegan.com/nutrition ... bstitutes/
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Hadn't seen anything like that article, didn't know nutritional yeast had any benefits :shrug: But I hate it either way so no nooch for me :P

My boyfriend found a fully vegetarian Chinese restaurant and we went there for dinner last night. It was awesome not just having to settle for vegetarian fried rice when getting Chinese. He got honey chicken, I got chicken and veggies and we got fried chicken for entree. We like chicken :D It was good food:

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xianjiro wrote: June 4th, 2021, 3:26 am Then I'm thinking NY is added for the nutritional benefits (to make up for not having actual chicken) - have you seen this article? https://www.iamgoingvegan.com/nutrition ... bstitutes/
The pic at that link is the exact brand in my pantry... it's the cheapest one I've found around here. :D
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Armoreska wrote: June 3rd, 2021, 1:23 pm What perverts eat cicadas now? Primitivists?
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