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kongs_speech wrote: March 26th, 2021, 12:53 pm
peeptoad wrote: March 26th, 2021, 12:52 pm
kongs_speech wrote: March 26th, 2021, 12:33 pm Fuck yes, that's gorgeous and such a moving sentiment. I wish America could do something like that, but we can't even put Harriet Tubman on money without half the country freaking the fuck out.
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xianjiro wrote: February 23rd, 2021, 7:24 pm sorry, but I gave you my honest response. How is IMDb promoting something just because some diligent user has entered a lot of keywords?
By spamming as keywords topics common to trans-positive documentaries.
Imagine you wanted to look up documentaries on this or that issue sorted by ranking but instead got a page full of Steven Crowder episodes (except not episodes and well produced) making fun of it with 9/10 rating. Well this is just a smaller version of that.
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yeah, I think spamming the keyword field is an issue - I didn't get that was your concern. I won't be surprised if it's the next thing to go at IMDb because of misuse and difficulty in policing.

BTW, I've also read complaints elsewhere about all the nudity-related keywords. Granted, NSFW, might be helpful, but do we really need things like "shaved pubes" and "prepubescent-girl-kissing-a-teenager".

So we're probably in agreement on this topic. :)
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xianjiro wrote: March 25th, 2021, 10:34 pm LGBTQ world first as Alan Turing banknote revealed
The Bank of England has revealed the design for what’s believed to be the first banknote to feature an LGBTQ person, the late gay scientist Alan Turing.

Turing (1912 – 1954) was prosecuted for homosexuality and was given the choice of imprisonment or chemical castration. He chose the latter and underwent forced oestrogen hormone injection treatment for a year before committing suicide from cyanide poisoning at the young age of 41.
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I can't help but have mixed feelings about this. Yes, Alan Turing very much belongs on paper money, given his important contribution to mankind. However, this is the same British government that drove him to suicide that is now putting his likeness on their currency. I feel like it should come with an official British apology. They could fit it under the image of QEII, whose government it was wot done it.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they kill you and then they put your face on a school/holiday/money. See also Dr. Martin Luther King, Malcolm X.
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Knaldskalle wrote: March 31st, 2021, 2:51 am
xianjiro wrote: March 25th, 2021, 10:34 pm LGBTQ world first as Alan Turing banknote revealed
The Bank of England has revealed the design for what’s believed to be the first banknote to feature an LGBTQ person, the late gay scientist Alan Turing.

Turing (1912 – 1954) was prosecuted for homosexuality and was given the choice of imprisonment or chemical castration. He chose the latter and underwent forced oestrogen hormone injection treatment for a year before committing suicide from cyanide poisoning at the young age of 41.
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I can't help but have mixed feelings about this. Yes, Alan Turing very much belongs on paper money, given his important contribution to mankind. However, this is the same British government that drove him to suicide that is now putting his likeness on their currency. I feel like it should come with an official British apology. They could fit it under the image of QEII, whose government it was wot done it.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they kill you and then they put your face on a school/holiday/money. See also Dr. Martin Luther King, Malcolm X.
I also don't really see it as an accomplishment... it's much too after the fact to hold any real meaning for me. It's a nice token of appreciation, but not a sign of anything else, IMO.

As for an apology, the British government did that back in 2009. He also received a posthumous official pardon in 2013.
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Fergenaprido wrote: March 31st, 2021, 3:51 am
Knaldskalle wrote: March 31st, 2021, 2:51 am
I can't help but have mixed feelings about this. Yes, Alan Turing very much belongs on paper money, given his important contribution to mankind. However, this is the same British government that drove him to suicide that is now putting his likeness on their currency. I feel like it should come with an official British apology. They could fit it under the image of QEII, whose government it was wot done it.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they kill you and then they put your face on a school/holiday/money. See also Dr. Martin Luther King, Malcolm X.
I also don't really see it as an accomplishment... it's much too after the fact to hold any real meaning for me. It's a nice token of appreciation, but not a sign of anything else, IMO.

As for an apology, the British government did that back in 2009. He also received a posthumous official pardon in 2013.
I'm not going to disagree or play devil's advocate on this one! :lol:

I did read more than one article about this, so it might not have been in the link I shared, but my understanding is there was a public vote (you know, like with Boaty McBoatface or whatever the ship ended up being named) for a scientist to be put on a banknote. It didn't talk about process, but my recollection was Turing received more votes than others. I kind of doubt that was the final deciding factor (see prior parenthesis) and it might have neglected to share anyone who got more votes than Turing. I'm also guessing there will be some controversy that Turing was selected over fellow-nominee Stephen Hawking.

Anyway, there are sometimes good reason why I simply share the news. Without comment.
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xianjiro wrote: March 31st, 2021, 9:11 am
Fergenaprido wrote: March 31st, 2021, 3:51 am
Knaldskalle wrote: March 31st, 2021, 2:51 am

I can't help but have mixed feelings about this. Yes, Alan Turing very much belongs on paper money, given his important contribution to mankind. However, this is the same British government that drove him to suicide that is now putting his likeness on their currency. I feel like it should come with an official British apology. They could fit it under the image of QEII, whose government it was wot done it.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they kill you and then they put your face on a school/holiday/money. See also Dr. Martin Luther King, Malcolm X.
I also don't really see it as an accomplishment... it's much too after the fact to hold any real meaning for me. It's a nice token of appreciation, but not a sign of anything else, IMO.

As for an apology, the British government did that back in 2009. He also received a posthumous official pardon in 2013.
I'm not going to disagree or play devil's advocate on this one! :lol:

I did read more than one article about this, so it might not have been in the link I shared, but my understanding is there was a public vote (you know, like with Boaty McBoatface or whatever the ship ended up being named) for a scientist to be put on a banknote. It didn't talk about process, but my recollection was Turing received more votes than others. I kind of doubt that was the final deciding factor (see prior parenthesis) and it might have neglected to share anyone who got more votes than Turing. I'm also guessing there will be some controversy that Turing was selected over fellow-nominee Stephen Hawking.

Anyway, there are sometimes good reason why I simply share the news. Without comment.
Ah, a case of the people being more progressive than its government. That's always nice to see. But I still harbor some resentment towards the British government for what they did to him. It was 1954 for crying out loud.
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I'm not sure if there are any trans folks here aside from yours truly, but if so, Happy Trans Day of Visibility! :wub:
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Knaldskalle wrote: March 31st, 2021, 5:16 pm
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xianjiro wrote: March 31st, 2021, 9:11 am
Fergenaprido wrote: March 31st, 2021, 3:51 am

I also don't really see it as an accomplishment... it's much too after the fact to hold any real meaning for me. It's a nice token of appreciation, but not a sign of anything else, IMO.

As for an apology, the British government did that back in 2009. He also received a posthumous official pardon in 2013.
I'm not going to disagree or play devil's advocate on this one! :lol:

I did read more than one article about this, so it might not have been in the link I shared, but my understanding is there was a public vote (you know, like with Boaty McBoatface or whatever the ship ended up being named) for a scientist to be put on a banknote. It didn't talk about process, but my recollection was Turing received more votes than others. I kind of doubt that was the final deciding factor (see prior parenthesis) and it might have neglected to share anyone who got more votes than Turing. I'm also guessing there will be some controversy that Turing was selected over fellow-nominee Stephen Hawking.

Anyway, there are sometimes good reason why I simply share the news. Without comment.
Ah, a case of the people being more progressive than its government. That's always nice to see. But I still harbor some resentment towards the British government for what they did to him. It was 1954 for crying out loud.
True. I'm not sure when public shaming campaigns (which often resulted in loss of work, family, and homes & which then was followed by suicide) ended in other jurisdictions. I know they still happened as recently as the 80s in Phoenix. I'm pretty certain gay men were still being committed to asylums for electro-shock treatment and the like into the 60s if not later. And clearly there are still jurisdictions caning, jailing, and executing the occasional gay man for consensual sex today. Stonewall waited until 1969. In the early 80s gay bars were still "members only" in ABQ and the same in SLC at least until the mid-90s. My understanding both were the requirement of their respective states to comply with liquor laws. At least we could freely associate (drink) in Texas throughout the 80s - just nothing else. ;)

Again, not a defense of the British criminal justice system by any means, but it's something of a reminder how these system fail minority populations.
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kongs_speech wrote: March 31st, 2021, 7:09 pm I'm not sure if there are any trans folks here aside from yours truly, but if so, Happy Trans Day of Visibility! :wub:
Yes, Happy T D of V! Think the day of visibility needs more visibility though - didn't even know. I don't generally go to queer news sites but get a couple emails. It's too bad none were sent out with Biden's proclamation in the headline. I remember about 25 years ago we actually had public events in Portland for National Coming Out Day. I hope that in the future the same is organized for the Trans community. While it didn't end up being a big thing for more than a handful of years, it did help with visibility in the long-term.

More than anything, we need more Trans-positive press coverage like Dr Levine's confirmation as Asst Secretary at DHHS.
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xianjiro wrote: March 31st, 2021, 7:42 pm
kongs_speech wrote: March 31st, 2021, 7:09 pm I'm not sure if there are any trans folks here aside from yours truly, but if so, Happy Trans Day of Visibility! :wub:
Yes, Happy T D of V! Think the day of visibility needs more visibility though - didn't even know. I don't generally go to queer news sites but get a couple emails. It's too bad none were sent out with Biden's proclamation in the headline. I remember about 25 years ago we actually had public events in Portland for National Coming Out Day. I hope that in the future the same is organized for the Trans community. While it didn't end up being a big thing for more than a handful of years, it did help with visibility in the long-term.

More than anything, we need more Trans-positive press coverage like Dr Levine's confirmation as Asst Secretary at DHHS.
I agree! I've seen a few Facebook posts throughout the day, but I didn't even know about it until a cis gay male friend wished me a Happy T D of V this morning.
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kongs_speech wrote: March 31st, 2021, 7:44 pm
xianjiro wrote: March 31st, 2021, 7:42 pm
kongs_speech wrote: March 31st, 2021, 7:09 pm I'm not sure if there are any trans folks here aside from yours truly, but if so, Happy Trans Day of Visibility! :wub:
Yes, Happy T D of V! Think the day of visibility needs more visibility though - didn't even know. I don't generally go to queer news sites but get a couple emails. It's too bad none were sent out with Biden's proclamation in the headline. I remember about 25 years ago we actually had public events in Portland for National Coming Out Day. I hope that in the future the same is organized for the Trans community. While it didn't end up being a big thing for more than a handful of years, it did help with visibility in the long-term.

More than anything, we need more Trans-positive press coverage like Dr Levine's confirmation as Asst Secretary at DHHS.
I agree! I've seen a few Facebook posts throughout the day, but I didn't even know about it until a cis gay male friend wished me a Happy T D of V this morning.
I've been PM'ing and posting here and so haven't had time to investigate. Any idea if this will be an annual thing?
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xianjiro wrote: March 31st, 2021, 8:40 pm
kongs_speech wrote: March 31st, 2021, 7:44 pm
xianjiro wrote: March 31st, 2021, 7:42 pm

Yes, Happy T D of V! Think the day of visibility needs more visibility though - didn't even know. I don't generally go to queer news sites but get a couple emails. It's too bad none were sent out with Biden's proclamation in the headline. I remember about 25 years ago we actually had public events in Portland for National Coming Out Day. I hope that in the future the same is organized for the Trans community. While it didn't end up being a big thing for more than a handful of years, it did help with visibility in the long-term.

More than anything, we need more Trans-positive press coverage like Dr Levine's confirmation as Asst Secretary at DHHS.
I agree! I've seen a few Facebook posts throughout the day, but I didn't even know about it until a cis gay male friend wished me a Happy T D of V this morning.
I've been PM'ing and posting here and so haven't had time to investigate. Any idea if this will be an annual thing?
I don't know, but I hope so. It's especially necessary right now, with the far-right having doubled down on their obsession with dehumanizing us.
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kongs_speech wrote: March 31st, 2021, 8:49 pm
xianjiro wrote: March 31st, 2021, 8:40 pm
kongs_speech wrote: March 31st, 2021, 7:44 pm

I agree! I've seen a few Facebook posts throughout the day, but I didn't even know about it until a cis gay male friend wished me a Happy T D of V this morning.
I've been PM'ing and posting here and so haven't had time to investigate. Any idea if this will be an annual thing?
I don't know, but I hope so. It's especially necessary right now, with the far-right having doubled down on their obsession with dehumanizing us.
I hope so too! And agree. Thus we need positive press.

But I fear they will continue with the demonizing of trans people, especially children, probably through the next couple election cycles. Trans issues are an especially popular rightwing target right now. I'm sure we've all seen reports about not changing IDs, legal requirements related to restrooms and locker rooms and gender assigned at birth, and bans for trans athletes. I saw something about both Tennessee and Arkansas working on legislation allowing EMTs and other medical care providers to refuse to treat LGBTQ people. And lest we forget, voter suppression laws largely targeted at PoC.

Nope. There are many battles ahead. :satstunned: :(
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https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/03/joe ... clamation/

I don't know what a proclamation is in American political terms, but overall this seems promising?
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Oh, I hadn't heard of this until just now.

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Knaldskalle wrote: April 1st, 2021, 1:09 am Oh, I hadn't heard of this until just now.

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kongs_speech wrote: April 1st, 2021, 1:11 am
Knaldskalle wrote: April 1st, 2021, 1:09 am Oh, I hadn't heard of this until just now.

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kongs_speech wrote: March 31st, 2021, 7:09 pm I'm not sure if there are any trans folks here aside from yours truly, but if so, Happy Trans Day of Visibility! :wub:
First I want to say Happy Trans Day of Visibility to you, Kong. Second I think I've been procrastinating enough and what better day to come out than TDOV. So yeah, I'm a Pansexual Transgender Woman. I've considered myself to be pan for a while, but I wasn't out to anyone. Being transgender is newer for me, I've considered the possibility that I could be transgender many times over the years, but I would always reject those thoughts for various reasons. It wasn't till last December when I had a kidney stone and I was spending almost all my time in bed feeling terrible that my guard was down enough for me to accept it. Since then I haven't looked back, I've started coming out to my closest family and friends and I have even started taking estrogen. I'm using she/her pronouns and the name Dulce.

Also for any mods who read this, I would like to change my username to DulceDoes, but I'm not seeing any options to do that. Can I please get some help?
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I think the best way to change it would be to pm an admin.

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Daviddoes wrote: April 1st, 2021, 2:46 am
kongs_speech wrote: March 31st, 2021, 7:09 pm I'm not sure if there are any trans folks here aside from yours truly, but if so, Happy Trans Day of Visibility! :wub:
First I want to say Happy Trans Day of Visibility to you, Kong. Second I think I've been procrastinating enough and what better day to come out than TDOV. So yeah, I'm a Pansexual Transgender Woman. I've considered myself to be pan for a while, but I wasn't out to anyone. Being transgender is newer for me, I've considered the possibility that I could be transgender many times over the years, but I would always reject those thoughts for various reasons. It wasn't till last December when I had a kidney stone and I was spending almost all my time in bed feeling terrible that my guard was down enough for me to accept it. Since then I haven't looked back, I've started coming out to my closest family and friends and I have even started taking estrogen. I'm using she/her pronouns and the name Dulce.

Also for any mods who read this, I would like to change my username to DulceDoes, but I'm not seeing any options to do that. Can I please get some help?
Congrats, I'm proud of you! Happy TDOV! :cheers:
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Pretentious Hipster wrote: April 1st, 2021, 2:59 am I think the best way to change it would be to pm an admin.

Congrats btw!
Thanks! I'll send a pm soon if don't get any help from my post.
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Daviddoes wrote: April 1st, 2021, 2:46 am Also for any mods who read this, I would like to change my username to DulceDoes, but I'm not seeing any options to do that. Can I please get some help?
I'll look into it. That's one area of our site I really don't know anything about, but I'll raise the issue in our admin section so we can address it.

And thanks for trusting us enough to come out. Same goes for Kong's Speech, by the way. I didn't get around to posting that sentiment when she made her announcement.
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Yeah, looks like an Admin (AdamH or MightySparks) will have to do it, there's nothing in the Moderator tool kit.
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Thank you Knaldskalle for your kind words and for looking into the username change for me.
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DulceDoes wrote: April 1st, 2021, 6:16 am Thank you Knaldskalle for your kind words and for looking into the username change for me.
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As always, you're welcome here, Dulce! I wish you joy and peace with your transition.
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Thank you xianjiro, it's going better than I could've imagined so far, but I'm still at the beginning of my journey.
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xianjiro wrote: March 31st, 2021, 12:12 am yeah, I think spamming the keyword field is an issue - I didn't get that was your concern. I won't be surprised if it's the next thing to go at IMDb because of misuse and difficulty in policing.

BTW, I've also read complaints elsewhere about all the nudity-related keywords. Granted, NSFW, might be helpful, but do we really need things like "shaved pubes" and "prepubescent-girl-kissing-a-teenager".

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Armoreska wrote: April 13th, 2021, 10:29 pm
xianjiro wrote: March 31st, 2021, 12:12 am yeah, I think spamming the keyword field is an issue - I didn't get that was your concern. I won't be surprised if it's the next thing to go at IMDb because of misuse and difficulty in policing.

BTW, I've also read complaints elsewhere about all the nudity-related keywords. Granted, NSFW, might be helpful, but do we really need things like "shaved pubes" and "prepubescent-girl-kissing-a-teenager".

So we're probably in agreement on this topic. :)
Check out that summary :mellow:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6474208/plotsummary
reads like a marketing blurb to me :huh:
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Armoreska wrote: April 19th, 2021, 6:23 pm need suggestions
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/gend ... armoreska/
what's the scope of the list? Are you seeking documentaries that deal with the distinctions between the genders or that go into issues related to transgender? I think the latter is captured on another list you've put together. Also, how does feminism play? Again, I know you have a list on that as well.

After that, the problem is locating them in the my list of almost 17000 items watched. Sounds like a real project, though I'll try searching IMDb keyword (ugh) to see what I come up with. I have no doubt that, over the years, I've watch a number of documentaries that deal with gender or focus on gender both as it relates to women or the LGBTQ community.
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xianjiro wrote: April 19th, 2021, 7:30 pm
Armoreska wrote: April 19th, 2021, 6:23 pm need suggestions
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/gend ... armoreska/
what's the scope of the list? Are you seeking documentaries that deal with the distinctions between the genders or that go into issues related to transgender? I think the latter is captured on another list you've put together. Also, how does feminism play? Again, I know you have a list on that as well.

After that, the problem is locating them in the my list of almost 17000 items watched. Sounds like a real project, though I'll try searching IMDb keyword (ugh) to see what I come up with. I have no doubt that, over the years, I've watch a number of documentaries that deal with gender or focus on gender both as it relates to women or the LGBTQ community.
Less of just following people, more of anything else to do with discussing or explaining gender stuff specifically. More education, less cinema verite/fly on the wall.
Fem docs are fem docs. Maybe some of them belong here but seems unlikely. Add them to collection on PTP and I'll add them to that list.
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brought over list of films from Disclosure, sorted out the ones in the positive section but I'm sure the larger part needs work
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