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Post by matthewscott8 » November 4th, 2019, 7:50 am

XxXApathy420XxX wrote:
November 3rd, 2019, 8:16 pm
Warning this is graphic. Sound is needed too. In before I get called anti-semitic.

Whilst this action is inexcusable, there is some important context missing, the solider fired a foam tipped bullet. This is how the fake news media works, you don't have to lie you just have to denude.

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » November 11th, 2019, 1:01 am



A user said it best: Remember folks a dictatorship is when you’re a socialist who wins the most votes in an election and the more votes you win the more dictatorship you become.

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » November 11th, 2019, 3:18 am

The parade celebrating it was led by the police and now there is a warrant for Morales' arrest. I am 100% sure that this is a coup and that the CIA and at the very least Trump's team was involved.


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Post by Pretentious Hipster » November 11th, 2019, 3:48 am

Apparently Bolivia holds a HUGE source of lithium. Is this the new oil for america?

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Post by Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal » November 11th, 2019, 6:59 am

Disgusting. Fuck the right-wingers and their hypocritical lip service to freedom and democracy.

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Post by matthewscott8 » November 11th, 2019, 9:18 am

XxXApathy420XxX wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 3:48 am
Apparently Bolivia holds a HUGE source of lithium. Is this the new oil for america?
Turns out our iPhones and computers are a major source of world misery. Lithium for the battery, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. You got people in China mining rare earth metals from radioactive clays with their bare hands, so our screens are nice and bright and their tumours king-size.

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Post by Cippenham » November 11th, 2019, 12:10 pm

XxXApathy420XxX wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 1:01 am


A user said it best: Remember folks a dictatorship is when you’re a socialist who wins the most votes in an election and the more votes you win the more dictatorship you become.
The people say it wasnt a fair election and you need term limits

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Post by Cippenham » November 11th, 2019, 12:12 pm

Its not a question if he had success. Its having fair elections. If it is his party can still win if people vote for it

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » November 11th, 2019, 12:55 pm

Cippenham wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 12:12 pm
Its not a question if he had success. Its having fair elections. If it is his party can still win if people vote for it
They asked for new elections and he announced that he would do it. They are also arresting many of the party members.

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Post by matthewscott8 » November 11th, 2019, 1:32 pm

Cippenham wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 12:10 pm
The people say it wasnt a fair election and you need term limits
On the note of fair elections, Nigel Farage has announced that he will not field Brexit Party candidates in seats where the Conservatives won in 2017. Viva democracy...

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Post by Cippenham » November 11th, 2019, 4:16 pm

matthewscott8 wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 1:32 pm
Cippenham wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 12:10 pm
The people say it wasnt a fair election and you need term limits
On the note of fair elections, Nigel Farage has announced that he will not field Brexit Party candidates in seats where the Conservatives won in 2017. Viva democracy...
Yes I saw that. He should not stand at all. I am accepting Boris deal as a decent compromise.

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Post by Cippenham » November 12th, 2019, 5:24 am

Morales was basically a coca farmer and the leader of coca farmers. That drugs do harm throughout the world did not bother him one bit. But I hope they can have an election and not dissolve into anarchy. He should have given up after two terms and avoided this perhaps.

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Post by St. Gloede » November 12th, 2019, 10:35 am

There has been no indication of the election not being fair.

All of this stems from a conflation of the quick count and the official count.

Morales was leading by about 8% (45.71% vs 37.84%) when the quick count ended (a little over 80% counted). The quick count ended as the official count started (the quick count is irrelevant and for the media) but many were furious, demanding it to be started again. When it was, and rural votes were counted Morales jumped to a lead of over 10% (46.86% vs. 36.72%) (Morales has more support in rural communities).

The official count also ended with approximately the same number, a lead of over 10%.

The argument is that this jump of about 2 percentage points suggests something nefarious happened.

The reason why it is a big deal is that a lead of less than 10% sends the two frontrunners to a head to head second round.

Upon seeing the violence and threats Morales was willing to grant everything from an investigation to an election. He literally agreed to an election - absurd, but he had such a great lead, it was not a gamble. However, nothing was seemingly enough, and a Democratically elected leader was forced by the military and a violent opposition to resign. Genuinely disturbing.

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Post by Straka » November 12th, 2019, 11:11 am

Cippenham wrote:
November 12th, 2019, 5:24 am
Morales was basically a coca farmer and the leader of coca farmers. That drugs do harm throughout the world did not bother him one bit.
Coca leaves are harmless and part of traditional culture in that area of the world, it does not immediately equate to drugs; coca farming has been a source of livelihood long before the US started a war on drugs (or consuming large quantities of that drug). Perhaps Latin America should start a war on tobacco, as it does a lot of harm, and start a war on tobacco farmers in the US. You should try coca tea, you might like it better than your average English blend or Earl Grey.

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Post by Cippenham » November 12th, 2019, 12:23 pm

Probably but i am no fan of earl grey . I knew about coca leaves.

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Post by Cippenham » November 12th, 2019, 12:24 pm

He should have stopped at 2 terms

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Post by Cippenham » November 12th, 2019, 12:25 pm

Its good news he has gone for me

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Post by St. Gloede » November 12th, 2019, 12:32 pm

Of course, you are always opposed to democracy when it suits you.


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Post by tirefeet » November 12th, 2019, 12:36 pm

"This coup is literally the opposite of restoring democracy"

The **** did you expect from a coup?

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Post by tirefeet » November 12th, 2019, 12:46 pm

Hannover, capital of the fourth-largest (in population) German state Lower Saxony now has a Turkish mayor.

2nd generation, son of immigrants, member of the Greens: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belit_Onay

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Post by Dolwphin » November 12th, 2019, 4:44 pm

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Post by Cippenham » November 12th, 2019, 5:58 pm

Typical toeing of the Marxist line and by Corbyn above

Let’s see if they can get new elections, and military rule is not for long. The left is responsible for the chaos, by not agreeing an interim leader they postpone a new election. They are sulking.

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Post by St. Gloede » November 12th, 2019, 6:35 pm

How is a coup against a democratically elected leader and a second election ok in Bolivia, but a second referendum is not OK in the UK?

The left is responsible for the right wing violence and the right wing coup?

Marxist line?

How extreme are you in your sick beliefs Cipp? Military coups and Military rule is OK, those who oppose it Are towing the Marxist line?

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Post by OldAle1 » November 12th, 2019, 6:43 pm

People who go down the rabbit hole of right-wing nationalism aren't generally capable of expressing themselves consistently - and certainly aren't interested in doing so if they can obfuscate their way out of an argument. Though maybe Cipp's worse than most - I recall him praising colonialism while at the same time claiming that he abhorred racism some time back; that might've been when I stopped reading his posts. My 8-year old niece is starting to make more sense than that. But keep up the good fight against the rubber-man, Gloede!

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Post by Cippenham » November 13th, 2019, 5:59 am

Unbelievable. An independent organisation refused to endorse the election in Bolivia due to flaws. The people protest and strike and the military support the people and this is called a military coup. No, they are trying to preserve democracy but the left try to cause chaos and block new interim leadership.

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Post by Cippenham » November 13th, 2019, 6:00 am

I really hate racism, that is true.

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Post by St. Gloede » November 13th, 2019, 7:28 am

So if a EU funded organization refused to endorse the Brexit referendum, the remainers protested in the streets (which they do), the UK military should have the right to remove Johnson and force a second referendum in the name of preserving democracy.

How would you feel then?

One US funded organization, without evidence, claimed something looked off (what looked off was the increase of 2 percentage points as the rural votes came in ...). That is your justification for a coup? Siding with the people means siding with a violent minority? Really? Really, Cipp?

You have no cover or excuse on this one.

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Post by Grunge Rock & Ally McBeal » November 13th, 2019, 7:36 am

St. Gloede wrote:
November 13th, 2019, 7:28 am
So if a EU funded organization refused to endorse the Brexit referendum, the remainers protested in the streets (which they do), the UK military should have the right to remove Johnson and force a second referendum in the name of preserving democracy.

How would you feel then?

One US funded organization, without evidence, claimed something looked off (what looked off was the increase of 2 percentage points as the rural votes came in ...). That is your justification for a coup? Siding with the people means siding with a violent minority? Really? Really, Cipp?

You have no cover or excuse on this one.
The corporate media coverage is disappointing but not surprising.
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Post by Cippenham » November 13th, 2019, 9:18 am

St. Gloede wrote:
November 13th, 2019, 7:28 am
So if a EU funded organization refused to endorse the Brexit referendum, the remainers protested in the streets (which they do), the UK military should have the right to remove Johnson and force a second referendum in the name of preserving democracy.

How would you feel then?

One US funded organization, without evidence, claimed something looked off (what looked off was the increase of 2 percentage points as the rural votes came in ...). That is your justification for a coup? Siding with the people means siding with a violent minority? Really? Really, Cipp?

You have no cover or excuse on this one.
it isnt going to happen. Brexit was supported by the majority
There is no coup in Bolivia they are trying to restore democracy

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Post by Cippenham » November 13th, 2019, 9:21 am

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... a-50399640

They are going to restore democracy but the left dont like it so they boycott it as usual they do not believe in democracy



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Post by Pretentious Hipster » November 13th, 2019, 1:35 pm

Yep. A coup followed by a self declared president that the mainstream media is following and supporting definitely sounds like restoring democracy to me.

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Post by St. Gloede » November 13th, 2019, 1:43 pm

Cippenham wrote:
November 13th, 2019, 9:18 am
St. Gloede wrote:
November 13th, 2019, 7:28 am
So if a EU funded organization refused to endorse the Brexit referendum, the remainers protested in the streets (which they do), the UK military should have the right to remove Johnson and force a second referendum in the name of preserving democracy.

How would you feel then?

One US funded organization, without evidence, claimed something looked off (what looked off was the increase of 2 percentage points as the rural votes came in ...). That is your justification for a coup? Siding with the people means siding with a violent minority? Really? Really, Cipp?

You have no cover or excuse on this one.
it isnt going to happen. Brexit was supported by the majority
There is no coup in Bolivia they are trying to restore democracy
Wow.

This is just sad (and scary).

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » November 13th, 2019, 2:15 pm

Bolivia's new president!

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Post by Cippenham » November 13th, 2019, 3:29 pm

Then have an election to decide if she is elected fairly . If people don’t like her they will not vote that way surely. She is not democratic president, but interim I understand only

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Post by Cippenham » November 13th, 2019, 3:32 pm

What is scary is Hillary Clinton strongly hinting she may run in the Democratic race ,,oh noooo☠️👎🇺🇸 Even Democrats should agree.. :D

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Post by Cippenham » November 13th, 2019, 6:26 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... -elections

Plans for new elections, the left just want to stop them. Good news about restoring Christianity though.

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