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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » May 30th, 2019, 12:36 am

Netanyahu fucked up yay. I feel like he's just gonna win again though.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/29/worl ... nyahu.html

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Post by xianjiro » May 30th, 2019, 2:16 am

XxXApathy420XxX wrote:
May 30th, 2019, 12:36 am
Netanyahu fucked up yay. I feel like he's just gonna win again though.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/29/worl ... nyahu.html
well yeah, but I've got no idea what the election will change. It feels more like a power play so that no one else gets the chance to try to form a government and Nuttin'Yahoo gets to hold on to power.

Also seems the Belgians might be in a similar situation though they don't have a deadline like the Israelis do.

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Post by Cippenham » May 30th, 2019, 4:48 am

I heard the Belgian election results were good for populist nationalists. Is there a chance of Flemish breakaway or something like that?

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 30th, 2019, 8:31 am

XxXApathy420XxX wrote:
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The thing about Soviet Russia being the first country to have women's suffrage is a blatant lie. Also women's suffrage in Russia meant practically nothing as it was a 1 party state. Comrade Stalin didn't care what women (or men) voted.

Also you should know that after they legalised abortion they criminalised it again 16 years later. Lots of carrots were dangled in front of "comrades" to get them to fuel the revolution, then when the iron grip was achieved all the carrots went away.

Please don't take this as a defense of the US stats. I'm merely pointing out that the stuff about Russia is hideous propaganda.

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » May 30th, 2019, 12:23 pm

Lol how.many times must I repeat the point that Stalin reversed what Lenin did? :shrug:

Stalin also recriminalised homosexuality.

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 30th, 2019, 1:10 pm

XxXApathy420XxX wrote:
May 30th, 2019, 12:23 pm
Lol how.many times must I repeat the point that Stalin reversed what Lenin did? :shrug:

Stalin also recriminalised homosexuality.
Nothing about Stalin in your false copied and pasted infographic. Also Lenin had oceans of blood on his hands.

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » May 30th, 2019, 1:17 pm

Yes everything about that infographic was about Lenin. That was my exact point. :huh: i literally already said it like 5 times that I don't like Stalin and he reversed a lot that Lenin did.

If you read some of the posts above, dolwphin linked the atrocities that the USSR has done. Lenin did not have an ocean of blood in his hands. He did send a transcript to hang 100 rich people and landlords. There has been a famine under his rule, but there may have been more factors like the war thst just happened.

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Post by matthewscott8 » May 30th, 2019, 4:37 pm

XxXApathy420XxX wrote:
May 30th, 2019, 1:17 pm
Yes everything about that infographic was about Lenin. That was my exact point. :huh: i literally already said it like 5 times that I don't like Stalin and he reversed a lot that Lenin did.

If you read some of the posts above, dolwphin linked the atrocities that the USSR has done. Lenin did not have an ocean of blood in his hands. He did send a transcript to hang 100 rich people and landlords. There has been a famine under his rule, but there may have been more factors like the war thst just happened.
This is how revolutions employing terror work. Check out the French Revolution. The guillotine gets more and more thirsty. Separating out Marxist Leninism and Stalinism isn't valid, they're part of the same process.

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » May 30th, 2019, 5:27 pm

The countries behind the iron curtain did. Did you see the confession? About artur london? He was interrogated and tortured and part of it was that he was accused or following trotsky's ideology. He was a follower of lenin.

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Post by Cippenham » May 30th, 2019, 5:34 pm

Defending Lenin is the same as defending Hitler in my view and both totally unacceptable.

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Post by Cippenham » May 30th, 2019, 5:37 pm

Essential reading The Main Currents of Marxism

Stalin was the faithful heir of Lenin

https://isi.org/intercollegiate-review/ ... hful-heir/

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Post by Cippenham » May 30th, 2019, 5:42 pm

Lenin traitor parasite architect of a failed state and system

http://www.unz.com/akarlin/lenin/

This makes it clear Lenin is as guilty as Stalin and worse as without Lenin, no Stalin


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Post by Dolwphin » May 31st, 2019, 12:40 am

Saved that for later, her channel is hilarious.
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Post by Knaldskalle » May 31st, 2019, 4:07 am

XxXApathy420XxX wrote:
May 30th, 2019, 1:17 pm
Lenin did not have an ocean of blood in his hands.
Conveniently disregarding the October Revolution of 1917, I take it, along with the subsequent Russian Civil War?
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Post by xianjiro » May 31st, 2019, 7:56 am

Knaldskalle wrote:
May 31st, 2019, 4:07 am
XxXApathy420XxX wrote:
May 30th, 2019, 1:17 pm
Lenin did not have an ocean of blood in his hands.
Conveniently disregarding the October Revolution of 1917, I take it, along with the subsequent Russian Civil War?
Yeah, but the first one was oceans of blue blood while the second one was oceans of white blood, not red blood - big difference

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Post by Dolwphin » May 31st, 2019, 11:54 am

xianjiro wrote:
May 31st, 2019, 7:56 am
Knaldskalle wrote:
May 31st, 2019, 4:07 am
XxXApathy420XxX wrote:
May 30th, 2019, 1:17 pm
Lenin did not have an ocean of blood in his hands.
Conveniently disregarding the October Revolution of 1917, I take it, along with the subsequent Russian Civil War?
Yeah, but the first one was oceans of blue blood while the second one was oceans of white blood, not red blood - big difference
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Post by xianjiro » May 31st, 2019, 6:11 pm

btw, speaking of Ukrainian plots - it seems patient zero in the Washington state measles scare recently returned from Ukraine. Wonder if anyone in the Kakistration had meetings ... legislative branch investigations to ensue. :lol:

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Post by xianjiro » June 6th, 2019, 4:20 am

good news out of Denmark tonight - outright win by the left in an election viewed as a referendum on austerity and the welfare state. So that adds the Danes to the Swedes and Finns who have left of center governments and it begs the question, why are the social dems only bucking the more global trend in Nordic states? (And I realize that the left is resurgent elsewhere, but not so as to win many elections and form governments.)

Word out of Italy is Conte's already tired of the bickering between 5 Star and Northern League - wonder how long this government will last.

Alas, on the other side of the globe, one has to wonder about press freedom in Australia, especially after Morrison's coalition won a majority. The timing is rather suspicious especially given that both raids are for articles published over a year ago. Interestingly, supposedly King Rupert isn't very amused. It seems to be an interesting battle between government secrets and accountability. While I get the whole 'official secrets act' type stuff, a government working for its people should have nothing to hide and a good chunk of the populace gets that some things need to be kept quiet until an (anti-terror) operation is complete, but this seems more about the government wanting to punish those who've shed light on the government's own embarrassment. I shudder to think if this form of retribution had been the response to something like Abu Ghraib.

I foresee dark days ahead.

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Post by Lilarcor » June 6th, 2019, 8:56 am

The left likely won the election in Denmark because they have made a switch to a similar view on immigration as the (not extreme) right. The leader of the worker's party in Norway has aired similar thoughts to see what sticks. But hopefully the smaller left parties in Denmark can have a say in the matter. At least the anti-muslim party didn't make it.

Right now the hot issue in Norwegian politics however, having magically forgotten immigration for a while, is road tolls for cars, with some cities establishing a single - issue party for "no to road tolls". Only the greens seem to have any integrity and spine on the matter, sticking to the idea that polluting car use should pay for new road and collective transport projects. The party at the furthest right is splitting up at the seams while simultaneously trying to get wind in the sails in going against the support they gave to the road toll plans the party agreed on merely weeks ago. It's election season, evidently.

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Post by Cippenham » June 6th, 2019, 10:09 am

Great days ahead for populist nationalists 👋🏻

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Post by Dolwphin » June 6th, 2019, 10:55 am

I almost wrote a paper about Breivik & Cultural Marxism (History of Ideas) but decided to write about Heart of Darkness instead. Anyhow, it is kind of creepy how Jordan Peterson & MSM is mainstreaming this concept.

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-m ... azi-trope/

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Post by Cippenham » June 6th, 2019, 6:40 pm

In Denmark it appears the other main parties have adopted some of the nationalist populist policies, and I think that also happened in other countries so it appears

This from 2017

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -socialism
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Post by Cippenham » June 6th, 2019, 6:41 pm

I absolutely believe that cultural Marxism is a thing so that guy is not correct at all

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Post by Dolwphin » June 6th, 2019, 6:44 pm

Cippenham wrote:
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I absolutely believe that cultural Marxism is a thing so that guy is not correct at all
What a surprise! :rolleyes:
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Post by Cippenham » June 6th, 2019, 6:47 pm

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/06/mar ... -among-us/


Peter Hitchens a former Trot is good on the subject in Britain.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... itain.html

The real Marxists were of course the Blairites. Both Theresa May and Cameron have also adopted the same terrible policies as Blair

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Post by Dolwphin » June 6th, 2019, 10:19 pm

Cippenham wrote:
June 6th, 2019, 6:47 pm
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/06/mar ... -among-us/


Peter Hitchens a former Trot is good on the subject in Britain.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... itain.html

The real Marxists were of course the Blairites. Both Theresa May and Cameron have also adopted the same terrible policies as Blair
Wow you are really stupid. :lol:

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Post by xianjiro » June 7th, 2019, 2:33 am

Dolwphin wrote:
June 6th, 2019, 10:19 pm
Cippenham wrote:
June 6th, 2019, 6:47 pm
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/06/mar ... -among-us/


Peter Hitchens a former Trot is good on the subject in Britain.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... itain.html

The real Marxists were of course the Blairites. Both Theresa May and Cameron have also adopted the same terrible policies as Blair
Wow you are really stupid. :lol:

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Post by Cippenham » June 8th, 2019, 10:49 pm

Is Peter Hitchens stupid, I think not. He was Leftist Marxist so knows how they work

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Post by Cippenham » June 8th, 2019, 10:51 pm

It now turns out our entire elite have been corrupted by drugs for years, no wonder they cannot think right or have any sensible ideas and no wonder they don’t want laws enforced to stop drug taking . They pretend they stopped years ago, how do we know that?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... cades.html
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Post by Cippenham » June 8th, 2019, 11:05 pm

Boris Johnson has a real name Alexander Johnson and he is very pro EU and has similar views to Cameron leftist follower of Blair but Al is cleverer than Cameron and is only pretending to be anti EU to get elected. He will probably call a 2nd referendum and campaign to leave expecting and hoping to lose if and when he becomes PM. This is why remainers will vote for him.

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Post by Cippenham » June 8th, 2019, 11:07 pm

Both his brother and sister are openly pro EU but Al aka Boris cannot do that as he wants the PM job

Gove only confessed to be a cocaine user and hypocrite as he was about to be exposed and it should disqualify him from being PM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -drug.html

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Post by brokenface » June 9th, 2019, 5:18 pm

Cippenham wrote:
June 8th, 2019, 11:07 pm
Both his brother and sister are openly pro EU but Al aka Boris cannot do that as he wants the PM job

Gove only confessed to be a cocaine user and hypocrite as he was about to be exposed and it should disqualify him from being PM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -drug.html

Has Boris Johnson been asked whether he ever used cocaine yet? I don't like Gove but i would eat all my hats and all my shoes if he was the only one in the leadership contest who's had cocaine, I'd bet most have.. fun watching the Tories destroy each other anyhow

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » June 9th, 2019, 7:03 pm

brokenface wrote:
June 9th, 2019, 5:18 pm
Cippenham wrote:
June 8th, 2019, 11:07 pm
Both his brother and sister are openly pro EU but Al aka Boris cannot do that as he wants the PM job

Gove only confessed to be a cocaine user and hypocrite as he was about to be exposed and it should disqualify him from being PM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -drug.html
Has Boris Johnson been asked whether he ever used cocaine yet? I don't like Gove but i would eat all my hats and all my shoes if he was the only one in the leadership contest who's had cocaine, I'd bet most have.. fun watching the Tories destroy each other anyhow
It's right in the article:
Boris Johnson moved to squash claims he had also snorted cocaine, suggesting he had only been offered the drug;

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Post by brokenface » June 9th, 2019, 7:48 pm

that's a bit of a non-denial denial. It's him proactively pushing out an old quote which answers in an indirect jokey way without actually denying it. Johnson has a lot of buddies in media who protect him with that kind of coverage

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Post by xianjiro » June 9th, 2019, 8:07 pm

PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
June 9th, 2019, 7:03 pm
brokenface wrote:
June 9th, 2019, 5:18 pm
Cippenham wrote:
June 8th, 2019, 11:07 pm
Both his brother and sister are openly pro EU but Al aka Boris cannot do that as he wants the PM job

Gove only confessed to be a cocaine user and hypocrite as he was about to be exposed and it should disqualify him from being PM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -drug.html
Has Boris Johnson been asked whether he ever used cocaine yet? I don't like Gove but i would eat all my hats and all my shoes if he was the only one in the leadership contest who's had cocaine, I'd bet most have.. fun watching the Tories destroy each other anyhow
It's right in the article:
Boris Johnson moved to squash claims he had also snorted cocaine, suggesting he had only been offered the drug;
oh, the ole "I didn't inhale" defense?

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Post by Gershwin » June 10th, 2019, 7:18 pm

xianjiro wrote:
June 9th, 2019, 8:07 pm
PeacefulAnarchy wrote:
June 9th, 2019, 7:03 pm
brokenface wrote:
June 9th, 2019, 5:18 pm

Has Boris Johnson been asked whether he ever used cocaine yet? I don't like Gove but i would eat all my hats and all my shoes if he was the only one in the leadership contest who's had cocaine, I'd bet most have.. fun watching the Tories destroy each other anyhow
It's right in the article:
Boris Johnson moved to squash claims he had also snorted cocaine, suggesting he had only been offered the drug;
oh, the ole "I didn't inhale" defense?
I guess it was invented in the States back in the Lewinsky scandal days. :)
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Post by max-scl » June 10th, 2019, 10:42 pm

Huge news coming from Brazil: an investigation with audio leaks (reported by Glenn Greenwald) is showing that the whole process that led to Lula's imprisonment was politically motivated and included collusion beetween judge Moro and the prosecutors (this imprisonment made Bolsonaro's election possible since Lula was the favorite to win, and judge Moro was named Minister of Justice by Bolsonaro). What was obvious from the begining is now confirmed. Another blow to the corrupt right in Latin America (not to mention they're failing in every south american nation in which they have power now).

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