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Post by zuma » December 15th, 2016, 7:10 pm

My top first time beers of 2016


5/5

Nada :(


4.75/5

Zwanze 2016 Framboise - Cantillon (lambic)


4.5/5

Barrel aged Dorothy - Hill Farmstead (Saison)
Le Terroir (Lips of Faith) 2015 - New Belgium Brewing (Wild)
Civil Disobedience #15 - Hill Farmstead Brewery (Saison)
Hunahpu's Imperial Stout - Cigar City Brewing (Stout)
Birthday Bomb - Prairie Artisan Ales (Stout)
Barrel aged Limberlost w/ Red Currants - Sawdust City Brewing Co. (Saison)
Raspberry Dark Origins - Crooked Stave (Wild)
Dernière Volonté Brett - Dieu Du Ciel (Belgian IPA)
Unheard Melodies - Indie Ale House (Porter)

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Post by weirdboy » December 15th, 2016, 7:44 pm

Let's see.

I judged a Flanders Red a few weeks ago in a competition that was excellent. In fact, I liked it better than any of the commercial examples of that style that I've had. There was also a Kriek from a competition in September that ended up winning best of show that I liked a lot. Although not the best Kriek I've ever had, it was certainly the best one I've had this year.

In commercial beers this year I brought a bottle of Alamanac's Truthful Statement to a party that I had been cellaring for several months prior. That was phenomenal when we finally opened it, and in my eyes set a new bar for that style of dark sour.

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » December 16th, 2016, 4:47 am

Last week I had a Goose Island Bourbon County Stout (2103 batch). By its reputation and ratings, I expected nectar of the gods. Instead, the best I can say about it is it was distinct. Really, it tasted like coffee mixed with chocolate mixed with cough syrup mixed with prune juice. It was really sweet and syrupy. I had it as a draft beer, and it made me wonder if sitting for a few years in storage somewhere had made it go dense and thick. And I usually like dense, robust stouts.

It was a bit of a mystery to me.
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Post by zuma » December 16th, 2016, 10:22 pm

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Dec 15 2016, 09:47:47 PM wrote:Last week I had a Goose Island Bourbon County Stout (2103 batch). By its reputation and ratings, I expected nectar of the gods. Instead, the best I can say about it is it was distinct. Really, it tasted like coffee mixed with chocolate mixed with cough syrup mixed with prune juice. It was really sweet and syrupy. I had it as a draft beer, and it made me wonder if sitting for a few years in storage somewhere had made it go dense and thick. And I usually like dense, robust stouts.

It was a bit of a mystery to me.
Interesting. The prune you described makes me wonder if it was off.

I had a 2009 bottle in 2013 and gave it 4.5/5. ....and my ratings tend to be a bit stingy.

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Post by weirdboy » December 17th, 2016, 12:14 am

Dark fruits like prunes, raisins, figs, plums, etc. are a common flavor in big, dark and malty beers. It is not "off" because it is supposed to taste that way (usually).

From the 2015 BJCP style guidelines for Imperial Stout:
20C. Imperial Stout
Overall Impression: An intensely-flavored, big, dark ale
with a wide range of flavor balances and regional
interpretations. Roasty-burnt malt with deep dark or dried
fruit flavors
, and a warming, bittersweet finish. Despite the
intense flavors, the components need to meld together to create
a complex, harmonious beer, not a hot mess.
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Post by zuma » December 17th, 2016, 12:49 am

Yeah I know that, I am a judge too.

But when he said prune as a bad thing and said he usually likes imperial stouts, it made me wonder.

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Post by weirdboy » December 17th, 2016, 12:55 am

Please note that I'm not trying to invalidate anyone's opinion of the beer.

I'm just saying if it has some prune flavors in it, that was probably intentional.

In fact, I am not really a big fan of all the huge bombastic barrel aged stouts which the "beer enthusiast" community has become so enamored with. For one thing, they are not conducive to me going out and drinking them at bars because then I cannot drive home, nor are they very good for me to enjoy by myself at home because I get really tried of drinking it after about half a pint, if not less. Since they are all sold in bombers or 750ml sizes, that means I am essentially wasting a very expensive beer unless I always find 3-4 people to share it with. Most of my friends aren't particularly fond of those styles, so it's a struggle. Even if I open one and finish it, I don't usually enjoy it after the first glass regardless.


Regarding the 2013 tasting sweeter than the fresher versions, there are probably several factors. Roasty flavors have a tendency to fade over time, so the balance will change from roast with dark fruit, to dark fruit with some roast, maybe, depending on how long it's been aging. Some examples (Bruery, I'm looking your way) don't have roasted malt flavors to begin with, so even out of the gate they are really just big malty beers with lots of bourbon, along with some spice and fruit flavors. Another factor is that the carbonation on those tends to be relatively low starting out, and after aging a long time it can nearly disappear completely. It may not seem like it, but the carbonation level can have a huge impact on how you perceive the beer, because of the acidity from carbonic acid, and the change in mouthfeel from the lack of bubbles makes you interpret it as being more malty/syrupy than the same beer with more carbonation. Also, beers oxidize over time, and big dark beers tend to develop sherry-like flavors when they age well, and perhaps toffee-like flavors, a "harshness", or in extreme cases paper and cardboard flavors when they age poorly.
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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » December 17th, 2016, 2:10 am

Thanks for the input, guys! I was fairly baffled, so I'm grateful for your more informed conjectures.

As for it being strong, yes, that was the case. I had three of these before I switched to other beers, and those three felt more like six.

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Post by jeff_v » December 19th, 2016, 11:38 pm

My top 2016 first-time beers:

5 stars
Trappist Westvleteren 12 (Belgian Quad)

4.75 stars
Monkish Days of Underoos (IPA)

4.5 Stars
Abnormal Alpha Voyager (Triple IPA)
AleSmith Bourbon Barrel-Aged Old Ale (2014)
AleSmith Bourbon Barrel-Aged Speedway Stout (2015)
AleSmith Speedway Stout w/ Vietnamese Coffee (2016)
AleSmith Speedway Velvet Echo
Beachwood Amalgamator (IPA)
Cantillon Kriek 100% Lambic Bio
Casa Agria Mirror Flexin' (Double IPA)
Cellarmaker Are You Afraid of the Dank (Double IPA)
Cellarmaker Imperial Coffee & Cigarettes (Imperial Porter)
Firestone Walker Parabajava (2016, Imperial Stout)
Firestone Walker Parabola (2016, Imperial Stout)
Goose Island Bourbon County Brand Coffee Stout (2016)
Goose Island Bourbon County Brand Stout (2015)
Goose Island Bourbon County Brand Stout (2016)
Great Notion Juice Box (Double IPA)
Modern Times Attack Frequency (IPA)
Modern Times Blam! Blam! (IPA)
Modern Times Devil's Teeth (Old Ale)
Modern Times Monsters' Park Bourbon Barrel w/ Coffee (Imperial Stout)
Modern Times Monsters' Park Bourbon Barrel w/ Vanilla (Imperial Stout)
Noble Ale Works Juicy J-17 (IPA)
Rodenbach Caractere Rouge (Flanders Red Ale)
Trappist Westvleteren 8 (Belgian Dubbel)
Tustin Shot in the Dark (Imperial Porter)

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Post by Gershwin » December 20th, 2016, 11:00 pm

jeff_v on Dec 19 2016, 04:38:46 PM wrote:My top 2016 first-time beers:

5 stars
Trappist Westvleteren 12 (Belgian Quad)

4.5 Stars
Trappist Westvleteren 8 (Belgian Dubbel)
So you managed to get your hands on some Westvleteren! :o
How did you do that? Even in the Netherlands it's hard to get those.
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Post by Carmel1379 » December 21st, 2016, 12:34 am

I got 3 as a gift, and the person that I got them from went to a rare supermarket occasion, where one was allowed to buy 1 crate.

I'll probably drink one of those on New Year's Eve.
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Post by Gershwin » December 21st, 2016, 12:58 am

You lucky bastard! Enjoy! :)

One of my friends tried to buy a crate at the abbey once, but they were sold out or something like that, sadly. I've been told that they have it at some pubs in a few Belgian cities, though. Could you confirm that?
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Post by Kasparius » December 21st, 2016, 1:20 am

zuma on Dec 16 2016, 03:22:56 PM wrote:
Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Dec 15 2016, 09:47:47 PM wrote:Last week I had a Goose Island Bourbon County Stout (2103 batch). By its reputation and ratings, I expected nectar of the gods. Instead, the best I can say about it is it was distinct. Really, it tasted like coffee mixed with chocolate mixed with cough syrup mixed with prune juice. It was really sweet and syrupy. I had it as a draft beer, and it made me wonder if sitting for a few years in storage somewhere had made it go dense and thick. And I usually like dense, robust stouts.

It was a bit of a mystery to me.
Interesting. The prune you described makes me wonder if it was off.

I had a 2009 bottle in 2013 and gave it 4.5/5. ....and my ratings tend to be a bit stingy.
I know last year's batch was supposed to be really bad, maybe you got a bad bottle. I had one a few years ago that was very good.

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Post by Kasparius » December 21st, 2016, 1:22 am

jeff_v on Dec 19 2016, 04:38:46 PM wrote:My top 2016 first-time beers:

5 stars
Trappist Westvleteren 12 (Belgian Quad)

4.75 stars
Monkish Days of Underoos (IPA)

4.5 Stars
Abnormal Alpha Voyager (Triple IPA)
AleSmith Bourbon Barrel-Aged Old Ale (2014)
AleSmith Bourbon Barrel-Aged Speedway Stout (2015)
AleSmith Speedway Stout w/ Vietnamese Coffee (2016)
AleSmith Speedway Velvet Echo
Beachwood Amalgamator (IPA)
Cantillon Kriek 100% Lambic Bio
Casa Agria Mirror Flexin' (Double IPA)
Cellarmaker Are You Afraid of the Dank (Double IPA)
Cellarmaker Imperial Coffee & Cigarettes (Imperial Porter)
Firestone Walker Parabajava (2016, Imperial Stout)
Firestone Walker Parabola (2016, Imperial Stout)
Goose Island Bourbon County Brand Coffee Stout (2016)
Goose Island Bourbon County Brand Stout (2015)
Goose Island Bourbon County Brand Stout (2016)
Great Notion Juice Box (Double IPA)
Modern Times Attack Frequency (IPA)
Modern Times Blam! Blam! (IPA)
Modern Times Devil's Teeth (Old Ale)
Modern Times Monsters' Park Bourbon Barrel w/ Coffee (Imperial Stout)
Modern Times Monsters' Park Bourbon Barrel w/ Vanilla (Imperial Stout)
Noble Ale Works Juicy J-17 (IPA)
Rodenbach Caractere Rouge (Flanders Red Ale)
Trappist Westvleteren 8 (Belgian Dubbel)
Tustin Shot in the Dark (Imperial Porter)
That Speedway Stout with Vietnamese Coffee is amazing, I had it on tap a few months ago.

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Post by Kasparius » December 21st, 2016, 1:40 am

My top 2016 first-time beers:

4.75 Stars:

Super Spruce - Grimm Artisanal Ales (Sour Gose) (On tap)
Heady Topper - The Alchemist (Double IPA)

4.5 Stars:

Lambo Door - Grimm Artisanal Ales (Double IPA) (On Tap)
Afterimage - Grimm Artisanal Ales (Double IPA)
The Crusher - The Alchemist (Double IPA)
Double Barrel Jesus - Evil Twin Brewing (American Imperial Stout) (On Tap)
Speedway Stout (Hawaiian) -AleSmith Brewing Company (On Tap)
Maple Bourbon Barrel Double Negative - Grimm Artisanal Ales (Imperial Stout) (On Tap)
Mini Growler Imperial Stout - Westbrook Brewing (Russian Imperial Stout)
Sip of Sunshine - Lawson's Finest Liquids (Double IPA) (On Tap)
Oscillation 004 - Finback Brewery (Double IPA) (On Tap)
Orange Dreamsicle - J.Wakefield Brewing (Sour - Berliner Weisse) (On Tap)
Copy Paste IPA - Evil Twin Brewing (Double IPA) (On Tap)
Focal Banger - The Alchemist (IPA)
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Post by zuma » December 21st, 2016, 1:43 am

VT trip had quite the impact. The rest is pretty Grimm.

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Post by Kasparius » December 21st, 2016, 1:46 am

zuma on Dec 20 2016, 06:43:39 PM wrote:VT trip had quite the impact. The rest is pretty Grimm.
Of course it was Grimm, it's 2016 after all.

Grimm is the biggest name in town, when a shop lets the customers know they have Grimm's in store, it's a matter of hours before they are all gone.

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » December 21st, 2016, 2:21 am

Untappd sent me about a dozen alerts that Focal Banger was on tap nearby. Wish I could have made it over there.
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Post by Carmel1379 » December 21st, 2016, 2:46 am

Gershwin on Dec 20 2016, 05:58:39 PM wrote:You lucky bastard! Enjoy! :)

One of my friends tried to buy a crate at the abbey once, but they were sold out or something like that, sadly. I've been told that they have it at some pubs in a few Belgian cities, though. Could you confirm that?
Thanks :)

That's unfortunate. By ordering one's probably fine.

Probably (I mean, it makes sense and I'd bet they'd be able to sweep a nice profit from it), but never seen any where I've been.
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Post by Kasparius » December 21st, 2016, 5:06 am

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Dec 20 2016, 07:21:25 PM wrote:Untappd sent me about a dozen alerts that Focal Banger was on tap nearby. Wish I could have made it over there.
Wasn't on Tap, it was the can version. The only place you can drink Focal Banger on tap is at The Alchemist in VT.

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Post by Chilton » December 21st, 2016, 1:38 pm

Gershwin on Dec 20 2016, 05:58:39 PM wrote:You lucky bastard! Enjoy! :)

One of my friends tried to buy a crate at the abbey once, but they were sold out or something like that, sadly. I've been told that they have it at some pubs in a few Belgian cities, though. Could you confirm that?
Yup, had some in both Ghent and Brussels :thumbsup:

It's a bit expensive though

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Post by Gershwin » December 21st, 2016, 1:51 pm

Chilton on Dec 21 2016, 06:38:56 AM wrote:
Gershwin on Dec 20 2016, 05:58:39 PM wrote:You lucky bastard! Enjoy! :)

One of my friends tried to buy a crate at the abbey once, but they were sold out or something like that, sadly. I've been told that they have it at some pubs in a few Belgian cities, though. Could you confirm that?
Yup, had some in both Ghent and Brussels :thumbsup:

It's a bit expensive though
Yeah, that's what people told me. I'll just have one Westvleteren instead of three others then. Better for my liver anyway. :thumbsup:
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Post by jeff_v » December 21st, 2016, 8:16 pm

Gershwin on Dec 20 2016, 04:00:56 PM wrote:
jeff_v on Dec 19 2016, 04:38:46 PM wrote:My top 2016 first-time beers:

5 stars
Trappist Westvleteren 12 (Belgian Quad)

4.5 Stars
Trappist Westvleteren 8 (Belgian Dubbel)
So you managed to get your hands on some Westvleteren! :o
How did you do that? Even in the Netherlands it's hard to get those.
http://www.beerofbelgium.com/en/

It's expensive, so I wouldn't make a habit out it, but I've used them a couple times with good results.

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Post by jeff_v » December 21st, 2016, 8:19 pm

And my list from a couple days ago is already out of date, since I need to add the Barrel-Aged Vietnamese Speedway to it now. (4.75 stars) I have a couple bottles at home, in case visitors are stopping by.

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Post by weirdboy » December 21st, 2016, 10:09 pm

While I love the Westvleteren 12, I enjoy the St. Bernardus abt 12 just as much, and it's much easier (and cheaper) to find around here.

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Post by zuma » December 21st, 2016, 10:31 pm

jeff_v on Dec 21 2016, 01:19:27 PM wrote:And my list from a couple days ago is already out of date, since I need to add the Barrel-Aged Vietnamese Speedway to it now. (4.75 stars) I have a couple bottles at home, in case visitors are stopping by.
Noted

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Post by Gershwin » December 21st, 2016, 11:24 pm

weirdboy on Dec 21 2016, 03:09:54 PM wrote:While I love the Westvleteren 12, I enjoy the St. Bernardus abt 12 just as much, and it's much easier (and cheaper) to find around here.
Good to know. I'm sure I can mange to find these quite cheap, and they're using basically the same recipe, it seems.

@Jeff, thanks! If I don't manage to get my hands on Westvleteren in a shop or a pub soon, I'll try that one. Not as expensive as I expected either.
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Post by weirdboy » December 22nd, 2016, 12:42 am

Westvleteren is using Westmalle yeast nowadays. The St. Bernardus abt 12 is actually using the Westvleteren yeast, from when they were contract brewing for them.

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Post by Kasparius » December 22nd, 2016, 12:50 am

I just went to a bar near me that is celebrating it's 1st Birthday with some killer beers. Update required:

Apricot Repus - Grimm (Sour) 4.5
Birthday Bomb - Prairie (Imperial Stout) 4.5

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Post by zuma » December 22nd, 2016, 1:00 am

Kasparius on Dec 21 2016, 05:50:10 PM wrote:I just went to a bar near me that is celebrating it's 1st Birthday with some killer beers. Update required:

Apricot Repus - Grimm (Sour) 4.5
Birthday Bomb - Prairie (Imperial Stout) 4.5
...man those Prairie Bombs....

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Post by Kasparius » December 22nd, 2016, 1:23 am

zuma on Dec 21 2016, 06:00:49 PM wrote:
Kasparius on Dec 21 2016, 05:50:10 PM wrote:I just went to a bar near me that is celebrating it's 1st Birthday with some killer beers. Update required:

Apricot Repus - Grimm (Sour) 4.5
Birthday Bomb - Prairie (Imperial Stout) 4.5
...man those Prairie Bombs....
They also had Christmas bomb, but I'm broke, a tad soused and I need to get my apt ready for the cat sitter.

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Post by brokenface » December 22nd, 2016, 2:53 am

Anything above 10℅ is not really beer. Discuss.

I'm kinda joking but I'm also kinda not happy that people are starting to treat beer like wine/whisky.

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » December 22nd, 2016, 2:53 am

Kasparius on Dec 20 2016, 10:06:39 PM wrote:
Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Dec 20 2016, 07:21:25 PM wrote:Untappd sent me about a dozen alerts that Focal Banger was on tap nearby. Wish I could have made it over there.
Wasn't on Tap, it was the can version. The only place you can drink Focal Banger on tap is at The Alchemist in VT.
OK, well, it must have been on sale in some form nearby as I kept getting alerts.

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Post by Kasparius » December 22nd, 2016, 4:52 am

brokenface on Dec 21 2016, 07:53:00 PM wrote:Anything above 10℅ is not really beer. Discuss.

I'm kinda joking but I'm also kinda not happy that people are starting to treat beer like wine/whisky.
Why?

It's way more diverse and interesting than wine.

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Post by weirdboy » December 22nd, 2016, 6:54 am

brokenface on Dec 21 2016, 07:53:00 PM wrote:Anything above 10℅ is not really beer. Discuss.

I'm kinda joking but I'm also kinda not happy that people are starting to treat beer like wine/whisky.
I think the Germans may disagree with that sentiment.


Also the Scotts, the English and Russians, and the Belgians.
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Post by Pretentious Hipster » December 27th, 2016, 3:06 am

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Post by Gershwin » January 8th, 2017, 10:00 pm

I finally started actively using my Untappd account. Feel free to add me as a friend!
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Post by Kasparius » January 9th, 2017, 4:33 am

Gershwin on Jan 8 2017, 03:00:42 PM wrote:I finally started actively using my Untappd account. Feel free to add me as a friend!
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Post by Gershwin » January 9th, 2017, 9:56 am

Kasparius on Jan 8 2017, 09:33:03 PM wrote:
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Post by afirm » February 12th, 2017, 8:20 pm

Just created an Untappd account in November, since then I've checked 166 distinct beers. I'm not sure if the app is healthy for me.
Also, drinking beers have become more expensive, now I can't just buy the regular ones..

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