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Post by weirdboy » November 15th, 2020, 2:10 am

LOL why not just say it came from the lizard people?

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he doesn't want to give away the big secret

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Post by Dolwphin » November 18th, 2020, 6:53 pm

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Post by xianjiro » November 20th, 2020, 12:56 am

there has to be some sinister connection between mask wearing, rising Covid infection, and millions of missing votes: must be wearing masks gave people Covid and they were too sick to vote TeamtRump

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Post by Armoreska » November 20th, 2020, 1:25 pm

Georgia
the results of the recount netted Trump 1,274 votes

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Biden is once again asking for your financial support


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Post by Dolwphin » November 20th, 2020, 10:32 pm

Many people are saying that two anonymous intelligence officials have declared a high degree of confidence about the validity of Trump's claims. Furthermore, look at all the anomalies and dubious connections. I'm certainly convinced of a cynical maximalist interpretation of what occurred here. Remember folks, you are a morally compromised useful idiot unless you agree with this position.
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Post by sebby » November 20th, 2020, 10:46 pm

Dolwphin wrote:
November 20th, 2020, 10:32 pm
Many people are saying that two anonymous intelligence officials have declared a high degree of confidence about the validity of Trump's claims. Furthermore, look at all the anomalies and dubious connections. I'm certainly convinced of a cynical maximalist interpretation of what occurred here. Remember folks, you are a morally compromised useful idiot unless you agree with this position.
I can't tell whether you're joking, trolling, satirizing, etc.

If sincere: Many others have taken the alternate stance -- that there is no widespread fraud and that whatever vote-count irregularities that exist are on par with what one would expect from any election and would not sway the resulst.

Yours is the stance of the climate denier, clinging to the 1% of scientists that support that view and ignoring the rest .

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Post by Dolwphin » November 20th, 2020, 11:08 pm

sebby wrote:
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November 20th, 2020, 10:32 pm
Many people are saying that two anonymous intelligence officials have declared a high degree of confidence about the validity of Trump's claims. Furthermore, look at all the anomalies and dubious connections. I'm certainly convinced of a cynical maximalist interpretation of what occurred here. Remember folks, you are a morally compromised useful idiot unless you agree with this position.
I can't tell whether you're joking, trolling, satirizing, etc.

If sincere: Many others have taken the alternate stance -- that there is no widespread fraud and that whatever vote-count irregularities that exist are on par with what one would expect from any election and would not sway the resulst.

Yours is the stance of the climate denier, clinging to the 1% of scientists that support that view and ignoring the rest .
Wake up, take the red pill already. :rolleyes:
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Post by Dolwphin » November 20th, 2020, 11:11 pm

2016: Russia stole our precious democracy and inaugurated a Manchurian Candidate.
2020: Why are people questioning the legitimacy of the results with baseless claims? Why are they not trusting our precious legacy media? It baffles the mind!
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Post by sebby » November 20th, 2020, 11:22 pm

Still can't tell if trolling.

If not, provide evidence. Otherwise, shut that piehole.

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Post by xianjiro » November 21st, 2020, 3:27 am

Dolwphin wrote:
November 20th, 2020, 10:32 pm
Many people are saying that two anonymous intelligence officials have declared a high degree of confidence about the validity of Trump's claims. Furthermore, look at all the anomalies and dubious connections. I'm certainly convinced of a cynical maximalist interpretation of what occurred here. Remember folks, you are a morally compromised useful idiot unless you agree with this position.
given your last sentence, seems the requisite response would have to be "bite me", no? :P

edit: "Many people are saying" - did you lift that from Trump or one of the Trumplings? That's one of their favorite phrases and doesn't serve as proof, but it sounds great if one isn't thinking about the meaning. I also think there are always "anomalies", but short of analyzing what those are and why they might exist, mentioning them doesn't serve as proof. (Even more so with a vague reference to unidentified - let alone unnamed - sources.) Also, your repost of Big Orange Ego's tweet about large numbers of votes registering can probably be explained by something simple: like a big urban county sending it's vote tally or a process restarting. IDK, seems like the election ran pretty much like all elections do AND most telling of all, the court challenges are basically going no where, so I'm disinclined to put much energy into the claims of someone with a bruised ego.

But hey, if your real message is that you hate people on the left, we got that one a long time ago.
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Post by xianjiro » November 21st, 2020, 3:28 am

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Wake up, take the red pill already. :rolleyes:
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Still can't tell if trolling.

If not, provide evidence. Otherwise, shut that piehole.
I believe I gave the correct response here

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Post by xianjiro » November 21st, 2020, 3:32 am

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Biden is once again asking for your financial support

politicians ALWAYS have their hand out. The number one reason I won't ever donate to political campaign is as soon as you do, they just use the money to ask you for more. They're like kids for whom there are never enough cookies.

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Post by sebby » November 21st, 2020, 4:36 am

I agree. It saddens me how much money these fuckers get -- give that money instead to an org that provides mosquito nets or clean water filtration (jus 2 examples) to areas of the world where the lack of these things fucking kills people. Grrrr arrrggh

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Post by xianjiro » November 21st, 2020, 6:00 am

I've been trying to understand the flow of money through this past election cycle, especially given how much was collected and spent, without enough 'success' to show for it all. But even that isn't easy. Oh, I'm sure someone, somewhere crunches the numbers and publishes to an academic journal or something - I need to try and track that down - but we really should be talking about the political-industrial complex. It's so very disgusting. I've seen some interesting suggestions for how to change the landscape, but nothing really seems doable in the US - not sure anything has worked anywhere and I'm not doe-eyed enough to believe the politicians in any other country are any better.

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Post by maxwelldeux » November 21st, 2020, 6:19 am

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November 21st, 2020, 6:00 am
I've been trying to understand the flow of money through this past election cycle, especially given how much was collected and spent, without enough 'success' to show for it all. But even that isn't easy. Oh, I'm sure someone, somewhere crunches the numbers and publishes to an academic journal or something - I need to try and track that down -
Honestly, I'd bet against that. I'd put my money (pun mostly intended, I think) on the fact that no one anywhere is tracking it. There's a reason they call it "dark money" (among several) - the necessary data are behind so many proprietary/confidential/classified firewalls no one could get access to everything.

I know this isn't real "evidence", but my train of thought is basically that if it existed, you'd have heard about it. If a citizen data scientist could do it? It'd be viral already. If a journal could do it (the mostly likely option, IMHO), it would (or will) make front page of [publication] and then be picked up everywhere. If an academic could do it, it'd be published and would be picked up by a journalist (tenure is a powerful motivator).

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Post by xianjiro » November 21st, 2020, 6:33 am

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November 21st, 2020, 6:19 am
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November 21st, 2020, 6:00 am
I've been trying to understand the flow of money through this past election cycle, especially given how much was collected and spent, without enough 'success' to show for it all. But even that isn't easy. Oh, I'm sure someone, somewhere crunches the numbers and publishes to an academic journal or something - I need to try and track that down -
Honestly, I'd bet against that. I'd put my money (pun mostly intended, I think) on the fact that no one anywhere is tracking it. There's a reason they call it "dark money" (among several) - the necessary data are behind so many proprietary/confidential/classified firewalls no one could get access to everything.

I know this isn't real "evidence", but my train of thought is basically that if it existed, you'd have heard about it. If a citizen data scientist could do it? It'd be viral already. If a journal could do it (the mostly likely option, IMHO), it would (or will) make front page of [publication] and then be picked up everywhere. If an academic could do it, it'd be published and would be picked up by a journalist (tenure is a powerful motivator).
I get where you're going, but I'm not talking about so-called "dark money", I'm just trying to understand the flow of funds through the various national official democratic channels. All this gets reported to the FEC and is available on their website, but it can be really difficult to find what you are looking for since you kind of need to know the organization's correct name or be willing to search through lots and lots of hits if you try something generic like "democrat" or "demo". Plus, I think reports are due fairly frequently but I've yet to get a sense of that even.

So yes, there are some big picture types of reports that will filter through the national media though again, I've no idea how those end up there. But I think your point is spot on in the sense that neither party is going to be forthcoming with their own financials and certainly would be proprietary about whatever data they process about the other party.

One of the big questions for which I really want a better sense of the truth is how much money, when donated to various national fundraising apparatus, is actually shifted to down-stream candidates. My fear is that national parties are largely keeping it for themselves and to spend on a handful of 'competitive' races. But I also get a strong sense that various levels of the parties are now just as concerned with how good a fundraiser a given candidate is as much as they are concerned about their stand on issues (and given both parties are really "big tents", they've not been too eager to require candidates to agree to very much).

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Post by prodigalgodson » November 21st, 2020, 6:42 am

xianjiro wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 3:28 am
Dolwphin wrote:
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Wake up, take the red pill already. :rolleyes:
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Post by maxwelldeux » November 21st, 2020, 6:48 am

xianjiro wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 6:33 am
maxwelldeux wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 6:19 am
xianjiro wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 6:00 am
I've been trying to understand the flow of money through this past election cycle, especially given how much was collected and spent, without enough 'success' to show for it all. But even that isn't easy. Oh, I'm sure someone, somewhere crunches the numbers and publishes to an academic journal or something - I need to try and track that down -
Honestly, I'd bet against that. I'd put my money (pun mostly intended, I think) on the fact that no one anywhere is tracking it. There's a reason they call it "dark money" (among several) - the necessary data are behind so many proprietary/confidential/classified firewalls no one could get access to everything.

I know this isn't real "evidence", but my train of thought is basically that if it existed, you'd have heard about it. If a citizen data scientist could do it? It'd be viral already. If a journal could do it (the mostly likely option, IMHO), it would (or will) make front page of [publication] and then be picked up everywhere. If an academic could do it, it'd be published and would be picked up by a journalist (tenure is a powerful motivator).
I get where you're going, but I'm not talking about so-called "dark money", I'm just trying to understand the flow of funds through the various national official democratic channels. All this gets reported to the FEC and is available on their website, but it can be really difficult to find what you are looking for since you kind of need to know the organization's correct name or be willing to search through lots and lots of hits if you try something generic like "democrat" or "demo". Plus, I think reports are due fairly frequently but I've yet to get a sense of that even.

So yes, there are some big picture types of reports that will filter through the national media though again, I've no idea how those end up there. But I think your point is spot on in the sense that neither party is going to be forthcoming with their own financials and certainly would be proprietary about whatever data they process about the other party.

One of the big questions for which I really want a better sense of the truth is how much money, when donated to various national fundraising apparatus, is actually shifted to down-stream candidates. My fear is that national parties are largely keeping it for themselves and to spend on a handful of 'competitive' races. But I also get a strong sense that various levels of the parties are now just as concerned with how good a fundraiser a given candidate is as much as they are concerned about their stand on issues (and given both parties are really "big tents", they've not been too eager to require candidates to agree to very much).
I get you now - yeah, even the publicly reported data is able to be obfuscated enough that it's hard to report on. #Murica

But yeah - I think I'd agree with your fear that not a lot of money is flowing downstream. There are a lot of small little bits of evidence that I think point to some of that (I'm too lazy to pull up sources), but it's something else that makes a lot of logical sense. It's just sad how much money matters.

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Post by Dolwphin » November 21st, 2020, 8:27 am

Some people say that Republican election officials have stolen the election from Trump in Georgia! They accomplished it by hacking Vermonts utility grid according to True News. :o

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Post by xianjiro » November 21st, 2020, 8:57 am

Question is, what does Georgia's law allow and require? Just because one thinks this should or shouldn't happen, even when one becomes pResident of the US, doesn't necessarily change the facts on the ground.

It also seems some republican'ts are starting to see a post-tRump world and methinks are preparing for their own futures.

Hundreds of thousands? Talk about grasping, but that's the nice thing about myths: grasp away.

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Post by xianjiro » November 21st, 2020, 10:13 am

speaking writing of corruption in politics, it seems there is plenty of sin in Cincinnati

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In November and December 2018, Sittenfeld promised he could “deliver the votes” in city council to support a development project in exchange for four $5,000 contributions to his PAC, prosecutors said. He accepted the checks in September and October 2019, they said.

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Post by Dolwphin » November 21st, 2020, 7:32 pm

STOP THE STEAL!

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Post by xianjiro » November 21st, 2020, 8:41 pm

sebby wrote:
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Still can't tell if trolling.

If not, provide evidence. Otherwise, shut that piehole.
Whichever it is, he doesn't seem interested in actually engaging in conversation and sure seems to have Trump's best interests at heart.

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Post by xianjiro » November 21st, 2020, 9:01 pm

Wonder if Our Supreme Tweeter has started an account on Parler yet - I hear it's the go to place now to whine about censorship in liberal media and liberal big tech.

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Post by Armoreska » November 21st, 2020, 9:27 pm

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I can't tell whether you're joking, trolling, satirizing, etc.
I can confirm that he is. Roll away the guillotine.
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Post by Dolwphin » November 21st, 2020, 11:46 pm

Congrats Mr. President on surpassing Taylor Swift in number of followers! Trump is now 6th most followed account on Twitter. He should be surpassing Cristiano Ronaldo soon with all his quality tweeting he has done lately.
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Post by xianjiro » November 22nd, 2020, 12:38 am

Just when you thought you'd had enough crazy for one month/year/lifetime, wait, there's more - have at it, kids.

Seems there is a road to a Schumer, Pelosi, and Biden Triumvirate which is the prelude to an inevitable communist Empress AOC! (I'm not holding my breath, but anything can happen when the cannibals are hungry for fresh meat.)
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