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Post by Cippenham » June 10th, 2019, 11:31 am

What you call bullying is not it is leverage and seems normal to me

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Post by Kublai Khan » June 10th, 2019, 12:07 pm

Cippenham wrote:
June 10th, 2019, 11:31 am
What you call bullying is not it is leverage and seems normal to me
You're missing the point. The point is that Trump lies and it's all a dog and pony show to make the rubes (like you) happy.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/dems-accu ... months-ago

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Post by xianjiro » June 10th, 2019, 6:38 pm

Fine, let's play this game another way - 5% tariff on all British exports to start on 1 July if a second Brexit referendum isn't scheduled before the end of August. Every week that passes without a referendum being scheduled, we''ll increase the tariff by 5%. Hmmm, wonder if we could get the EU to sign on, after all tariffs are now an acceptable form of leverage when seeking to 'influence' how another government governs its own affairs.

Yeah, not so nice when when you're on the receiving end. Do you ever think this stuff through Cipp? Fuck!

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » June 10th, 2019, 6:51 pm

North Korea is shitty with their praising of their own country.

Before playing any sports, the citizens have to sing a song in praise of their country. The students also have to make a pledge to the government every morning in school. The worst part of all, they even create monuments of their leaders.

Here are some pictures showing these 3 things:
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Post by xianjiro » June 10th, 2019, 7:08 pm

XxXApathy420XxX wrote:
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Yeah, this one really bothers me. I don't know if his 'crime' is governed under any sort of mandatory sentencing guidelines or not. If I were the judge, I'd give him a sentence one day short of the time he's already served. On the other hand, he should stand up and say what he did was 'right' and 'just' and take the punishment like a human with moral convictions. MLKjr did. Gandhiji did. (I'm not saying Warren isn't - just how I've made 'peace' with this unpleasantness. But of course its his lawyer's job to avoid conviction and then minimize any penalty.)

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Post by GruesomeTwosome » June 10th, 2019, 7:08 pm

XxXApathy420XxX wrote:
June 10th, 2019, 6:51 pm
North Korea is shitty with their praising of their own country.

Before playing any sports, the citizens have to sing a song in praise of their country. The students also have to make a pledge to the government every morning in school. The worst part of all, they even create monuments of their leaders.

Here are some pictures showing these 3 things:
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Lol, I could tell what you had under spoilers a mile away, but yeah, point taken.
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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » June 10th, 2019, 7:15 pm

There's one quote I found from COD: MW 2 that I really loved by George Bernard Shaw: Patriotism is, fundamentally, a conviction that a particular country is the best in the world because you were born in it.

It's a shame that some of his views were really shitty.

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » June 10th, 2019, 7:51 pm

Classic moment from fox news


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Post by Dolwphin » June 10th, 2019, 8:39 pm

XxXApathy420XxX wrote:
June 10th, 2019, 6:51 pm
North Korea is shitty with their praising of their own country.

Before playing any sports, the citizens have to sing a song in praise of their country. The students also have to make a pledge to the government every morning in school. The worst part of all, they even create monuments of their leaders.

Here are some pictures showing these 3 things:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute :satstunned:
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Post by Dolwphin » June 10th, 2019, 11:58 pm

Corporate media love these kind of stories:
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Post by Kublai Khan » June 11th, 2019, 12:46 am

Dolwphin wrote:
June 10th, 2019, 11:58 pm
Corporate media love these kind of stories:
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His yearly allowance is more than the school's lunch budget?

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Post by Dolwphin » June 11th, 2019, 1:06 am

Kublai Khan wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 12:46 am
Dolwphin wrote:
June 10th, 2019, 11:58 pm
Corporate media love these kind of stories:
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His yearly allowance is more than the school's lunch budget?
Most students probably have been able to pay for their lunches or have limited amount of debt.
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Post by Rainy Red Carpet » June 11th, 2019, 1:07 am

Dolwphin wrote:
June 10th, 2019, 8:39 pm
XxXApathy420XxX wrote:
June 10th, 2019, 6:51 pm
North Korea is shitty with their praising of their own country.

Before playing any sports, the citizens have to sing a song in praise of their country. The students also have to make a pledge to the government every morning in school. The worst part of all, they even create monuments of their leaders.

Here are some pictures showing these 3 things:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute :satstunned:
Imagine if a North Korean athlete did a Kapernick. :rip:
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Post by Dolwphin » June 11th, 2019, 1:14 am

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Post by Kublai Khan » June 11th, 2019, 2:03 am

Dolwphin wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 1:06 am
Kublai Khan wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 12:46 am
Dolwphin wrote:
June 10th, 2019, 11:58 pm
Corporate media love these kind of stories:
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His yearly allowance is more than the school's lunch budget?
Most students probably have been able to pay for their lunches or have limited amount of debt.
Nevermind. I actually clicked to the linked story. It was about $75.00. Seems like that's not worthy of a news story, but I guess that's your original point, too.

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Post by Cippenham » June 11th, 2019, 5:21 am

Why do children of wealthy parents need #free# school meals. Nothing is free, everything has to be paid for. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Bernie does not get this, thinks you can just give everything for free. No, it all has to be paid for and just better if paid for at the point of use. If you want to help the poor they can be given vouchers but for the government to fund wealthy people is insane.

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Post by sebby » June 11th, 2019, 7:29 am

Cippenham wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 5:21 am
Why do children of wealthy parents need #free# school meals. Nothing is free, everything has to be paid for. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Bernie does not get this, thinks you can just give everything for free. No, it all has to be paid for and just better if paid for at the point of use. If you want to help the poor they can be given vouchers but for the government to fund wealthy people is insane.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT.

We're talking about children here. Children. A child should never have to worry about food, clothing, shelter, education or health care. It is incumbent upon a society to go above and beyond to take care of those who are least able to take care of themselves.

Or perhaps you prefer some form of social darwinism?

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Post by xianjiro » June 11th, 2019, 8:54 am

sebby wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 7:29 am
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June 11th, 2019, 5:21 am
Why do children of wealthy parents need #free# school meals. Nothing is free, everything has to be paid for. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Bernie does not get this, thinks you can just give everything for free. No, it all has to be paid for and just better if paid for at the point of use. If you want to help the poor they can be given vouchers but for the government to fund wealthy people is insane.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT.

We're talking about children here. Children. A child should never have to worry about food, clothing, shelter, education or health care. It is incumbent upon a society to go above and beyond to take care of those who are least able to take care of themselves.

Or perhaps you prefer some form of social darwinism?
actually, a much easier approach would be to add workshops to schools - especially primary - so kids can learn about working from the earliest age. Whatever debt they incur in the cafeteria due to their inability to pay their way can be worked off in a nice sweatshop making designer products for pennies on the dollar. Why ship those good slave wage jobs overseas when kids could be earning their lunch making cool things for rich people.

It's not like rich kids still go to taxpayer funded schools anymore anyway.

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Post by St. Gloede » June 11th, 2019, 9:15 am

Yes, I cannot believe we are depriving children of the FREEDOM to work, and expecting OTHERS to pay for THEM. We should privatize all schools, LEGALIZE child labor, and ensure that children learn the value of a fair day's wage for a fair day's work.

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Post by xianjiro » June 11th, 2019, 9:19 am

ARBEIT MACHT FREI, meine kinder!

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Post by xianjiro » June 11th, 2019, 9:23 am

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Post by Dolwphin » June 11th, 2019, 11:07 am

St. Gloede wrote:
June 11th, 2019, 9:15 am
Yes, I cannot believe we are depriving children of the FREEDOM to work, and expecting OTHERS to pay for THEM. We should privatize all schools, LEGALIZE child labor, and ensure that children learn the value of a fair day's wage for a fair day's work.
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Post by Cippenham » June 11th, 2019, 11:30 am

Its not ok for children of wealthy parents to subsidised why is that a problem.

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Post by Cippenham » June 11th, 2019, 11:32 am

http://www.proglocode.unam.mx/sites/pro ... Choose.pdf

Free to Choose by Milton Friedman a great book

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Post by Kublai Khan » June 11th, 2019, 2:27 pm

Cippenham wrote:
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Its not ok for children of wealthy parents to subsidised why is that a problem.
Define wealth.
Then prove your non-wealth by providing all your finances over to the school officials for review.

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Post by Cippenham » June 11th, 2019, 3:56 pm

In the England it’s done centrally , seems reasonable to me.

https://www.gov.uk/apply-free-school-meals

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » June 12th, 2019, 7:16 pm

xianjiro wrote:
June 10th, 2019, 7:08 pm
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Yeah, this one really bothers me. I don't know if his 'crime' is governed under any sort of mandatory sentencing guidelines or not. If I were the judge, I'd give him a sentence one day short of the time he's already served. On the other hand, he should stand up and say what he did was 'right' and 'just' and take the punishment like a human with moral convictions. MLKjr did. Gandhiji did. (I'm not saying Warren isn't - just how I've made 'peace' with this unpleasantness. But of course its his lawyer's job to avoid conviction and then minimize any penalty.)
Looks like the same happens in Europe too

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Post by xianjiro » June 12th, 2019, 8:13 pm

Clearly the message is that borders are more important than lives. While I'm not advocating 'open borders', we effectively have such with Canada. Are we policing the border between Montana and Alberta/Saskatchewan in the same way? It's probably the only stretch that even remotely compares in terms of dry scrubland.

It shouldn't be a crime to give a thirsty person water or shelter from 100F/38C plus heat. I would also consider giving food in such cases to be humanitarian aid. Helping someone stay alive should not be a crime. (I'd extend that to battlefield, but that's a different discussion. However, the rightwing is trying to equate illegal immigration with war and punish good samaritans as if they were war criminals. This is nonsense.)

If someone hides illegals (mojados) from immigration (la migra) that's an entirely different story and I realize it's a difficult line to parse sheltering from the heat from hiding from la migra. Honestly, I'd hope the first offense for hiding would be time served and maybe probation/parole as applicable. Subsequent offenses for hiding should be reasonable punishment and on par with what one would get for hiding an armed robber from the local popo.

But the irony of this situation doesn't escape me. Americanos settled in Texas and California - some legally at the behest of the DF but with the understanding the pledge loyalty to the Mexican state. After a while, the Texans didn't like that arrangement any longer and succeeded before being annexed into the US. We fought a war and took California, Nevada, Utah, a good chunk of Colorado, most of New Mexico and Arizona, as well as Texas. That's a sizeable chunk of real estate. Additionally, for much of the 19th and early 20th centuries, Americans went to Mexico illegally to work, mine, steal, whatever.

But hey, what do we expect from a world that prioritizes corporate profits over the stomachs of young children?

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Post by Cippenham » June 12th, 2019, 8:20 pm

But you see the people of Italy have a different point if view, as their leader outlines

https://www.politico.eu/article/matteo- ... migration/

His new group in EU is called identity and Democracy.

You cannot blame the people of Italy, blame people like the leaders of Germany and other countries making economic migrants from Africa and ethnic origins think it’s ok to attempt the journey.

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Post by Kublai Khan » June 13th, 2019, 2:53 am



I.. wow. That's just indefensible. Trump is bragging about how he would commit a crime. Saying "everyone does it" with the exception that no, people like Gore and McCain have immediately went to the FBI.

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Post by xianjiro » June 13th, 2019, 4:48 am

While I see that viewpoint, it reads like "sure, whatever you guys got, bring it on in" type of invitation. I'm just surprised he didn't offer to pay for it upfront.

Once again demonstrating that he's a sleazebag of the highest order.

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Post by Cippenham » June 13th, 2019, 5:13 am

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 56401.html

More details of the interview, he is saying it’s normal.

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Post by Kublai Khan » June 13th, 2019, 1:48 pm

Cippenham wrote:
June 13th, 2019, 5:13 am
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 56401.html

More details of the interview, he is saying it’s normal.
Do you agree with Trump on that too? Do the ends justify any means?

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Post by Dolwphin » June 13th, 2019, 1:52 pm

If something is normal, then it follow that it is also moral. Logic!
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Post by Cippenham » June 13th, 2019, 5:50 pm

Kublai Khan wrote:
June 13th, 2019, 1:48 pm
Cippenham wrote:
June 13th, 2019, 5:13 am
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 56401.html

More details of the interview, he is saying it’s normal.
Do you agree with Trump on that too? Do the ends justify any means?
Probably not but
It’s not as bad as actively buying a bonus dossier to smear your opponent like the Steele dossier , not as bad as asking China for Trumps tax returns as was done apparently,

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Post by Rainy Red Carpet » June 13th, 2019, 9:20 pm

Sad to see Sarah Sanders step down. I found her indefatigable ability to defend the indefensible mesmerizing.
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Post by Cippenham » June 14th, 2019, 3:21 am

Rainy Red Carpet wrote:
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Sad to see Sarah Sanders step down. I found her indefatigable ability to defend the indefensible mesmerizing.
You have to salute her indefatigability, like George Galloway said to Sadaam Hussain.

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Post by xianjiro » June 14th, 2019, 8:39 am

In an effort to show the kakistration occasionally does something right:

Drugmaker Gilead reaches multiyear agreement with White House to donate HIV prevention med
Key Points
  • Gilead Sciences will donate drugs that reduce the risk of HIV transmission for up to 200,000 people a year.
  • The agreement between Gilead and the Trump administration will last until at least Dec. 31, 2025.
  • Gilead’s PrEP medication Truvada usually sells for $1,600 to $2,000 a month in the United States.
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