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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » September 16th, 2013, 3:17 am

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Sep 15 2013, 08:50:41 PM wrote:OK, we'll start with a general clue-- maybe it will fit other movies?-- and then I'll follow up with another clue in about half an hour.

On a small number of official lists.

Clue #1: The cast credits for this film feature many character names, but in the movie itself I doubt any character names are mentioned.
In this movie, there are a lot of characters, but if I asked you for their names right before the end credits, you'd say you had no idea (unless, perhaps, you're extremely observant).

Clue #2: The missionary represents civilization, doggy-gone it!
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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » September 16th, 2013, 4:05 am

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Sep 15 2013, 09:17:10 PM wrote:
Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Sep 15 2013, 08:50:41 PM wrote:OK, we'll start with a general clue-- maybe it will fit other movies?-- and then I'll follow up with another clue in about half an hour.

On a small number of official lists.

Clue #1: The cast credits for this film feature many character names, but in the movie itself I doubt any character names are mentioned.
In this movie, there are a lot of characters, but if I asked you for their names right before the end credits, you'd say you had no idea (unless, perhaps, you're extremely observant).

Clue #2: The missionary represents civilization, doggy-gone it!
Clue #3: They say if you can't laugh at yourself now and then ... well, he couldn't, ever. He and his friends just never got any jokes at all. It took a head wound to change all that.

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » September 16th, 2013, 4:06 am

Kasparius on Sep 15 2013, 09:17:06 PM wrote:Microcosmos?
Oh, sorry; I didn't see this guess. Good idea, but no.

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » September 16th, 2013, 5:07 am

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Sep 15 2013, 10:05:09 PM wrote:
Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Sep 15 2013, 09:17:10 PM wrote:
Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Sep 15 2013, 08:50:41 PM wrote:OK, we'll start with a general clue-- maybe it will fit other movies?-- and then I'll follow up with another clue in about half an hour.

On a small number of official lists.

Clue #1: The cast credits for this film feature many character names, but in the movie itself I doubt any character names are mentioned.
In this movie, there are a lot of characters, but if I asked you for their names right before the end credits, you'd say you had no idea (unless, perhaps, you're extremely observant).

Clue #2: The missionary represents civilization, doggy-gone it!
Clue #3: They say if you can't laugh at yourself now and then ... well, he couldn't, ever. He and his friends just never got any jokes at all. It took a head wound to change all that.
OK, this one needs a bit of a shove, so ...

Clue #4: A grown man watches a boy do something most Boy Scouts learn to do, and the man's life is changed forever. So are the lives of everyone he knows.
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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » September 17th, 2013, 1:25 am

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Sep 15 2013, 11:07:21 PM wrote:
Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Sep 15 2013, 10:05:09 PM wrote:
Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Sep 15 2013, 09:17:10 PM wrote:In this movie, there are a lot of characters, but if I asked you for their names right before the end credits, you'd say you had no idea (unless, perhaps, you're extremely observant).

Clue #2: The missionary represents civilization, doggy-gone it!
Clue #3: They say if you can't laugh at yourself now and then ... well, he couldn't, ever. He and his friends just never got any jokes at all. It took a head wound to change all that.
OK, this one needs a bit of a shove, so ...

Clue #4: A grown man watches a boy do something most Boy Scouts learn to do, and the man's life is changed forever. So are the lives of everyone he knows.
Clue #5: The main romance in the film is not just inter-racial; it's inter-specific.

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Post by brokenface » September 17th, 2013, 2:00 am

I keep thinking Disney films, but can't quite make anything fit. am I miles off track? and have I seen it?

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » September 17th, 2013, 2:11 am

brokenface on Sep 16 2013, 08:00:05 PM wrote:I keep thinking Disney films, but can't quite make anything fit. am I miles off track? and have I seen it?
It's not Disney, and apparently you haven't seen it. :(

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Post by burneyfan » September 17th, 2013, 2:21 am

I am STUMPED. I keep trying to think of an animal cartoon, or something with a bunch of archetypes, like "The Man" and "The Boy," and stuff like that.

101 Dalmatians?

That's how stumped I am.

EDIT: You just said it's NOT Disney ... retracting my guess!! :o
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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » September 17th, 2013, 2:27 am

burneyfan on Sep 16 2013, 08:21:15 PM wrote:I am STUMPED. I keep trying to think of an animal cartoon, or something with a bunch of archetypes, like "The Man" and "The Boy," and stuff like that.

101 Dalmatians?

That's how stumped I am.

EDIT: You just said it's NOT Disney ... retracting my guess!! :o
Not Disney, not a cartoon. Unfortunately, you haven't seen it, either, but you have half a chance if you know anything about this film.

OK, next clue in half and hour and it's going to have to be a giveaway hint.

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » September 17th, 2013, 2:35 am

PeacefulAnarchy on Sep 16 2013, 08:27:15 PM wrote:Quest for Fire?
Thank God -- yes!! :thumbsup:
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On a small number of official lists. -- On one official list.

Clue #1: The cast credits for this film feature many character names, but in the movie itself I doubt any character names are mentioned.


In this movie, there are a lot of characters, but if I asked you for their names right before the end credits, you'd say you had no idea (unless, perhaps, you're extremely observant).
-- Characters do speak some sort of languages, but it mostly just sounds like grunts and occasional gibberish. But at the end credits, the various tribes have names and almost all the individuals have names.

Clue #2: The missionary represents civilization, doggy-gone it! -- The culturally more advanced Cro Magnon woman convinces the Neaderthal man to stop clumsily and forcibly taking her from behind, and instead teaches him the missionary position. Humankind moves forward, and, well, the doggy position is gone. :whistling:

Clue #3: They say if you can't laugh at yourself now and then ... well, he couldn't, ever. He and his friends just never got any jokes at all. It took a head wound to change all that. -- The Neanderthal men have no concept of laughter. But when a rock is dropped on one of their heads, drawing blood, the Cro Magnon woman laughs and laughs, and eventually the three Neanderthal men 'get it' and start to laugh, too.

Clue #4: A grown man watches a boy do something most Boy Scouts learn to do, and the man's life is changed forever. So are the lives of everyone he knows. -- The Neanderthal protagonist watches a Cro Magnon boy make fire using sticks, kindling, and friction. Now he knows he can save his tribe and never lose the fire again.

Clue #5: The main romance in the film is not just inter-racial; it's inter-specific. -- It is love, and procreation, between a Neanderthal and a Cro Magnon.
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » September 17th, 2013, 2:38 am

All of you who haven't seen it should be glad and keep it that way.

Shit now I have to think up a clue.

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » September 17th, 2013, 2:43 am

PeacefulAnarchy on Sep 16 2013, 08:38:36 PM wrote:All of you who haven't seen it should be glad and keep it that way.
You're just not evolved enough to appreciate it! :folded:
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Just kidding. I have no special love or dislike for this film, although I give it credit for trying something different. And it has been a looooong time since I've seen it.

However, the same director also tried something very different in The Bear, and I do love that film. :hug:

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » September 17th, 2013, 2:47 am

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Sep 16 2013, 08:43:47 PM wrote:
PeacefulAnarchy on Sep 16 2013, 08:38:36 PM wrote:All of you who haven't seen it should be glad and keep it that way.
You're just not evolved enough to appreciate it! :folded:
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Just kidding. I have no special love or dislike for this film, although I give it credit for trying something different. And it has been a looooong time since I've seen it.

However, the same director also tried something very different in The Bear, and I do love that film. :hug:
Maybe I'm too evolved for it :hmph: I rewatched it this year and it now stands as the worst film I've watched more than twice.

Alright clue 1:

Both are reluctant to go, especially with each other, but they must relent. Outlook bleak.
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » September 17th, 2013, 3:02 am

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Sep 16 2013, 08:55:41 PM wrote:The Defiant Ones?
Ha, as I was writing the clue I thought "someone's going to guess The Defiant ones." No, that's not it.

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » September 17th, 2013, 3:17 am

PeacefulAnarchy on Sep 16 2013, 09:02:09 PM wrote:
Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Sep 16 2013, 08:55:41 PM wrote:The Defiant Ones?
Ha, as I was writing the clue I thought "someone's going to guess The Defiant ones." No, that's not it.
I knew it wasn't right, as it was far too simple, but I had to guess it anyway, if just to get it out of the way. :lol:

I reckon there is some special focus or play with the words "relent" and especially "bleak."

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » September 17th, 2013, 3:22 am

No, all the words mean what they say. I'm too lazy to do wordplay today.

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Post by funkybusiness » September 17th, 2013, 3:28 am

The 39 Steps?

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » September 17th, 2013, 3:34 am

funkybusiness on Sep 16 2013, 09:28:25 PM wrote:The 39 Steps?
No.

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Post by burneyfan » September 17th, 2013, 3:36 am

Papillon? Oh, hell, there are three of them, I think.

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Post by Kasparius » September 17th, 2013, 3:39 am

PeacefulAnarchy on Sep 16 2013, 08:47:23 PM wrote:Maybe I'm too evolved for it :hmph: I rewatched it this year and it now stands as the worst film I've watched more than twice.
Wouldn't that have to be Garden State?

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » September 17th, 2013, 3:44 am

burneyfan on Sep 16 2013, 09:36:45 PM wrote:Papillon? Oh, hell, there are three of them, I think.
No

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » September 17th, 2013, 3:45 am

Kasparius on Sep 16 2013, 09:39:09 PM wrote:
PeacefulAnarchy on Sep 16 2013, 08:47:23 PM wrote:Maybe I'm too evolved for it :hmph: I rewatched it this year and it now stands as the worst film I've watched more than twice.
Wouldn't that have to be Garden State?
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Have you seen quest for fire lately? I know you hate Garden State, but Quest for Fire is really really bad. Really bad.

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Post by Kasparius » September 17th, 2013, 3:50 am

PeacefulAnarchy on Sep 16 2013, 09:45:35 PM wrote:
Kasparius on Sep 16 2013, 09:39:09 PM wrote:
PeacefulAnarchy on Sep 16 2013, 08:47:23 PM wrote:Maybe I'm too evolved for it :hmph: I rewatched it this year and it now stands as the worst film I've watched more than twice.
Wouldn't that have to be Garden State?
:finger:
Have you seen quest for fire lately? I know you hate Garden State, but Quest for Fire is really really bad. Really bad.
I like Quest for Fire, not a lot, but about as much as Local. I usually do not like Annaud's work, I hate The Name of the Rose for instance.

Garden State is horrendous, I can't wait for you to lose all nostalgia for it so you can see how bad it is. Maybe another 5 years or so.

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » September 17th, 2013, 3:56 am

Could be The Red Tent or the unintentionally amusing The Edge, but neither is on any official lists ...


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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » September 17th, 2013, 4:05 am

Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Sep 16 2013, 10:01:24 PM wrote:The Edge of the World?
Not seen that, so no. Not The Red Tent either

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Post by Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi » September 17th, 2013, 4:10 am

PeacefulAnarchy on Sep 16 2013, 10:05:09 PM wrote:
Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi on Sep 16 2013, 10:01:24 PM wrote:The Edge of the World?
Not seen that, so no. Not The Red Tent either
No, I wasn't guessing The Red Tent or The Edge, as they don't have official lists to call home (for good reason).

Just to be clear that I do make one guess at a time.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » September 17th, 2013, 5:43 pm

PeacefulAnarchy on Sep 16 2013, 08:47:23 PM wrote:clue 1: Both are reluctant to go, especially with each other, but they must relent. Outlook bleak.
clue 2: Things might be better for the characters if they didn't see things so black and white. Not sure the same is true for us.
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Post by Kasparius » September 17th, 2013, 5:44 pm

Pleasantville?

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Post by Pain » September 17th, 2013, 5:52 pm

I haven't seen it, but The Defiant Ones (1958) came to my mind.

Damn, I see someone tried this already. :folded:
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » September 17th, 2013, 5:54 pm

Kasparius on Sep 17 2013, 11:44:34 AM wrote:Pleasantville?
No.

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Post by burneyfan » September 18th, 2013, 3:48 am

I want you to know I've been thinking about this, but I have no clue...yet, anyway. Random ideas, but nothing solid. I AM reading, though!
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Post by funkybusiness » September 18th, 2013, 3:59 am

The Adventures of Milo and Otis.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » September 18th, 2013, 4:21 am

funkybusiness on Sep 17 2013, 09:59:04 PM wrote:The Adventures of Milo and Otis.
Never seen this.

You've all seen the film in question.

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Post by funkybusiness » September 18th, 2013, 4:24 am

PeacefulAnarchy on Sep 17 2013, 10:21:16 PM wrote:
funkybusiness on Sep 17 2013, 09:59:04 PM wrote:The Adventures of Milo and Otis.
Never seen this.
You obviously did not have my childhood. That was one of those VHS's you'd wear out over and over. Along with Alice and Wonderland (There was a period of 6 months when I was 3 where I watched Alice in Wonderland at least twice every day) and the English dub of My Neighbor Totoro. My sister kept trying to persuade me that Homeward Bound (the remake) was a good movie but even as a child I knew that film was mainstream garbage.


edit: Oh and I can't help but cringe every time I hear Sally Field's voice because of Homeward Bound. My least favorite film cat ever. Period. of all time.
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » September 18th, 2013, 4:28 am

I didn't have much of a movie childhood. Saw a couple of films in the theatre, a few more on TV and that's pretty much it. Even my teenage years were rather devoid of movies.

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Post by funkybusiness » September 18th, 2013, 4:31 am

PeacefulAnarchy on Sep 17 2013, 10:28:34 PM wrote:I didn't have much of a movie childhood. Saw a couple of films in the theatre, a few more on TV and that's pretty much it. Even my teenage years were rather devoid of movies.
I think under the age of 7 I watched every VHS I could get my hands on that had a cover that didn't scream not for kids. After that I didn't watch many films until after high school really. I think I could count the number of films I watched during high school. Maybe 15.
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Post by burneyfan » September 19th, 2013, 1:35 am

So I keep working with ideas of very narrow-minded or visually-impaired (or racially-different) characters, but a film with beautiful b&w cinematography. I'm not guessing, because I can't come up with a damn thing, but I'm throwing it out in case it helps anyone else (or causes them to offer alternate ideas that jog my own memory).

Also -- first clue -- they're reluctant partners, or don't like each other much, or..? "Outlook bleak" could be prediction for their future, or a visual outlook -- like the view from a high place. (Climbers?)

Just thinking "out loud."

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