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War Movies Challenge - Official; March 2019

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Post by sol » February 26th, 2019, 2:04 pm

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War Challenge

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Pictured: 2019 Doubling the Canon nominees King Rat and The Long and the Short and the Tall.

Goal
Watch as many war movies as you can from March 1, 2019 to March 31, 2019.

Rules
- Each feature film (over 40 minutes) counts as one entry.
- 60 minutes of short films counts as one entry.
- 120 minutes of TV episodes counts as one entry.
- 1 episode of any miniseries counts as one entry.
- Rewatches are allowed and are good for the soul.
- Please include year of release when listing your viewings.

I will be (time permitting) tracking all feature films (not shorts or TV episodes) watched for this Challenge. I do not, however, have the spare time to endlessly research everything. I'm not about to guess what you have seen, so if you post films without years of release or with an obscure alternative title, I will simply leave your viewings out of any weekly stat updates.

I reserve the right to exclude participants who intentionally number their viewings incorrectly. If you play the game, you're expected to play properly.

DEADLINE
Final results will be posted between 2:30pm and 3:00pm GMT on April 2 - at which point it will have been April everywhere in the world for more than a whole day. While you are welcome to post updates beyond this point, any such updates will not be included in the final results. Your choice whether you miss the deadline or not; besides, if it's April on your side of the world, shouldn't you be starting on one of next month's challenges, mm?

Stuck for ideas of what to watch? Look no further:

Official Lists
101 War Movies You Must See Before You Die
IMDb Top War Films

Non-Official Lists
DTC War Nominees
Children and War
Alternative War Movies (under 250 checks)
Vietnam War Moves (definitive list)
iCM Forum's Favourite War Movies
Paste's 100 Greatest War Movies


BONUS CHALLENGE: Watch as many 2019 Doubling the Canon nominated war movies as you can! (list)

1. 72allinncallme - 32
2. maxwelldeux - 6
3. blocho - 1.5
3. OldAle - 1.5
5. albajos - 1

I won't be keeping track of what is and is not eligible, so if you want your stats to be tracked for the Bonus Challenge, please include 'DTC nominee' along with the title.

BONUS BONUS CHALLENGE: Get an extra 0.5 points in the Bonus Challenge if you watch either King Rat or The Long and the Short and the Tall. :circle:

Competing in the other Official Challenges this month?

French War Movies (note: some of the co-productions are probably not eligible for the France Challenge)

I don't have a list for War Movies directed by women, but The Hurt Locker and Seven Beauties are personal recommendations.

This Challenge has been run twice before in an Official capacity.

2017 Challenge - hosted by some guy called sol and won by 72allinncallme with 143 points
2014 Challenge - hosted by Cippenham and won by 3eyes with 27 points

Fun Stats
- WEEK ONE
- WEEK TWO
- WEEK THREE
- WEEK FOUR

This thread will be updated at least once a day (more often if I am around and feel like it). Since I am updating manually, I would appreciate it if you list new films seen in a new post. If you would prefer just to endlessly edit your original post, please let me know so that I remember to check your post. Happy hunting watching!

Participants
RankiCMer# of Watches
1 PUNQ 119
2 72allinncallme 105
3 Traveller 62
4 RogerTheMovieManiac88 51
5 jeroeno 49
6 maxwelldeux 47
7 albajos 43
8 sol 37
9 jdidaco 36
10 Simba63 33
11 sebby 29
12 Daviddoes 27
13 blocho 24
14 Lonewolf2003 23
15 AB537 18
15 3eyes 18
17 OldAle1 16
17 shugs 16
19 ChrisReynolds 13
19 Tarris1 13
21 flavo5000 9
21 hurluberlu 9
23 vortexsurfer 7
24 cinephage 6
24 India Istanbul 6
24 Knaldskalle 6
24 weirdboy 6
28 sheikofhyrule 5
29 frbrown 4
30 allisoncm 3
31 Eva_L 2
31 VincentPrice 2
31 zzzorf 2
34 connordenney 1
34 mightysparks 1
34 nimimerkillinen 1
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Post by 72allinncallme » February 26th, 2019, 3:17 pm

This is my favourite genre so I’m very much in! :circle:
Been waiting for this since July 2017 :lol:
My watchlist:
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/war+ ... inncallme/

If you have an underseen favourite, plug it and I might watch it.

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Post by 3eyes » February 26th, 2019, 3:57 pm

my favorite genre too (being a good Quaker and all that). I've resolved not to get too caught up in the challenges this year, but I daresay I'll watch more than I should.

Triples on my list:

Le grand homme (Fr 14, 106m) - Triple
Loin du Vietnam (Fr 64, 115m) - Triple
Les innocentes (Fr/Pol 16) - Triple
White material (Fr 09, 105m) - Triple

War/Women on my list:
Voskhozhdenie (USSR 77, 111m) - Larisa Shepitko - Double
Mudbound (17) - Double [war]
Lore (Ger 12, 109m) - double

If anyone is looking for movies about obscure wars, there's Scipione l'africano (Italy 37) set during the Punic Wars (Amazon Prime).
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Post by maxwelldeux » February 26th, 2019, 5:00 pm

The hardest part about this challenge for me is trying to avoid the "War - what is it good for? Absolutely Nothing" pun in my spoiler tag.

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Post by Traveller » February 26th, 2019, 5:56 pm

I'm in as well. I have some movies on my watchlist that, coincidentally, also appear on the 101 War Movies You Must See Before You Die for which I plan to gain the silver award (19 checks left) during this month.
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Post by jeroeno » February 26th, 2019, 8:22 pm

In for at least 36 watches.

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Post by RogerTheMovieManiac88 » February 26th, 2019, 9:49 pm

Thanks for hosting, sol. I'm in as well. Have some war-themed films specially recorded and ready to fire up on my TV planner. I'll probably focus on the French Challenge but I'm looking forward to this one as well.

BTW, when one refines by 'war' on Peaceful's list of DtC nominations, 'Zhila-byla devochka' / 'Once There Was a Girl' doesn't show up. It should, as it's both tagged with 'war' and about the lives of two girls during the siege of Leningrad. Looking forward to catching up with some of the other war films that have been nominated for DtC this year. Might get to one or both of your noms!
That's all, folks!

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Post by blocho » February 26th, 2019, 10:59 pm

A cool bonus challenge would be as many different wars as possible. But I don't think I have the energy to track all the viewings.

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Post by albajos » February 26th, 2019, 11:28 pm

And all those 2-day wars

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Post by VincentPrice » February 27th, 2019, 12:16 am

Sure, got some on the DVR ready to go

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Post by jdidaco » February 28th, 2019, 10:38 pm

Ready to be depressed, thanks for hosting, sol!

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Post by sol » March 1st, 2019, 10:19 am

It starts!

1. Surname Viet Given Name Nam (1989)

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Very interesting documentary about the position of women in Vietnamese society and the influence of the war. While the movie is mostly a series of interviews, T. Minh-ha Trinh films these segments in almost experimental fashion with overlapping audio (forcing us to listen to two interviews at once), songs and the sounds of crickets intruding on other interviews, the camera moving up and down while interview subjects talk, and direct quotes popping up on screen during the interviews. If a bit difficult to digest this all, it is refreshing to come across a documentary that forces us to actively concentrate on everything thrown in our direction, and the overwhelming effect mirrors how the repressed women feel.
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Post by Knaldskalle » March 1st, 2019, 4:57 pm

In, but probably not for many.
Personal film goals for 2019.
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Post by maxwelldeux » March 1st, 2019, 5:48 pm

Well, this challenge got off to an annoying start. Grabbed Dunkirk from the library, looking forward to seeing what the hoopla was about. Turns out I didn't grab the Nolan film, I grabbed the Documentary rerelease, which was misplaced in the library. I was not committing to a 3-hour documentary that late at night. Instead, another disappointment:

1. Fear and Desire (1953)
Going into it, I was thinking, "Kubrick just has high standards. It can't be THAT bad." But yeah - I think I could have made that film just about as well by myself.

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Post by albajos » March 1st, 2019, 5:53 pm

Everything i pre-order from the library are already picked ready by those that work there, so I never have to look at the regular shelves myself. (Only the webpage)

Of course, sometimes they pick the wrong one, always the human factor. I got Under the Covers instead of Under the Roof Tops. (And I lent that one from a library 600 km away, so it wasn't exactly something to easily fix)

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Post by maxwelldeux » March 1st, 2019, 6:04 pm

albajos wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 5:53 pm
Everything i pre-order from the library are already picked ready by those that work there, so I never have to look at the regular shelves myself. (Only the webpage)

Of course, sometimes they pick the wrong one, always the human factor. I got Under the Covers instead of Under the Roof Tops. (And I lent that one from a library 600 km away, so it wasn't exactly something to easily fix)
Yup. That's what I do 99% of the time. But I was there dropping something off the other day and thought - eh, what the hell? Let's browse the War section..

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Post by Tarris1 » March 1st, 2019, 6:37 pm

I'll do a few.

1. Went the Day Well? (1942) 8/10
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Post by albajos » March 1st, 2019, 6:43 pm

maxwelldeux wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 5:48 pm
Dunkirk
Anyhow, you should see the full 2017 (unofficial) trilogy

1. Darkest Hour
2. Dunkirk
3. Their Finest

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Post by Traveller » March 1st, 2019, 7:00 pm

1. Trial on the Road (1971) - 7/10
That was depressing; hopefully a mere glimpse into the horror to come. It’s gonna be a fantastic month.
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Post by albajos » March 1st, 2019, 9:12 pm

01. The Breadwinner (2017) Ireland | Canada | Luxembourg | USA 778 checks [double]
Afghan War (2001-) (Taliban Insurgency)
02. Charlotte Gray (2001) UK | Australia | Germany 388 checks [double]
World War II (French Resistance)

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Post by 72allinncallme » March 1st, 2019, 11:25 pm

1. ¡Ay, Carmela! (1990)
2. Fixed Bayonets! (1951)
3. Avanti popolo (1986)

Great start. All three movies worth seeing.

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Post by albajos » March 1st, 2019, 11:52 pm

3eyes wrote:
February 26th, 2019, 3:57 pm
If anyone is looking for movies about obscure wars, there's Scipione l'africano (Italy 37) set during the Punic Wars (Amazon Prime).
For my dose of obscure wars (seen by global eyes) I'll go with Karl XII (1925)
(only 10 votes. Something tells me this one might not be available)

But any other suggestions to movies about the wars between Norway - Sweden - Denmark would be highly appreciated.
Don't think there are any norwegian ones except for the comedy mini-series Brødrene Dal og mysteriet om Karl XIIs gamasjer.

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Post by 3eyes » March 2nd, 2019, 1:45 am

albajos wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 11:52 pm
3eyes wrote:
February 26th, 2019, 3:57 pm
If anyone is looking for movies about obscure wars, there's Scipione l'africano (Italy 37) set during the Punic Wars (Amazon Prime).
For my dose of obscure wars (seen by global eyes) I'll go with Karl XII (1925)
(only 10 votes. Something tells me this one might not be available)

But any other suggestions to movies about the wars between Norway - Sweden - Denmark would be highly appreciated.
Don't think there are any norwegian ones except for the comedy mini-series Brødrene Dal og mysteriet om Karl XIIs gamasjer.
found a few - haven't seen any of them
Snapphanar https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0820010/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0950739/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0030099/

I reckon Birkebeinerne and Ofelas are old hat?
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Post by 3eyes » March 2nd, 2019, 1:46 am

1. In-cheon sang-ryuk jak-jeon / Operation Chromite (S Kor 16) [Korean War]
A bit too much action for me to follow, so I had to take it in stages - glad I found this. Movies about the Korean War are not exactly legion, as it were, but I've been seeking them out for a while. Liam Neeson was fine as MacArthur but why, oh why, can't they have subs for the English parts?
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Post by sol » March 2nd, 2019, 2:20 am

maxwelldeux wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 5:48 pm
1. Fear and Desire (1953)
Going into it, I was thinking, "Kubrick just has high standards. It can't be THAT bad." But yeah - I think I could have made that film just about as well by myself.
Hmmph! :folded:

I quite like this one. Sure, it is a few notches below his eleven films in the TSP canon, but I thought that there was lots of interesting stuff going on in spite of the amateurish acting. Here is a snippet of what I said at the time:

While not as stylistic and innovatively shot as Killer's Kiss, it actually spins a more engaging narrative, focusing on war from a psychological standpoint with memorable lines such as "enemies do not exist ... unless we call them into being". In an effective touch, Kubrick also lets the characters' narrated thoughts aloud overlap at certain points, and with the way the characters discuss and debate war, Samuel Fuller's superb 1950s war movies frequently come to mind. A renowned perfectionist, it is no surprise that Kubrick was dissatisfied with certain elements of the film, but had he not disowned it, it is unlikely that it would be as poorly received at it often is these days. The choice to not specify the actual war or any nationalities provides the story with a welcome universal quality that resonates strongly considering all the other wars that have occurred since 1953.
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Post by sol » March 2nd, 2019, 2:23 am

By the way guys, we are absolutely smashing this Challenge. In all fairness it might be a bit early to judge, but this already looks likely to be the most popular Challenge this month. Is that because it has been a couple of years since we have had a War Challenge and the other two Challenges have been annual for quite a while, therefore they are naturally less exciting? :blink:
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Post by sol » March 2nd, 2019, 2:27 am

How I Won the WarShow
1. Surname Viet Given Name Nam (1989)

2. The Magic Face (1951)

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There is an undeniably fascinating premise here (stage actor impersonates Hitler in the 1940s) and there is a lot to like in the idea of someone indeed having a "magic face" that he could successfully contort into being anyone (think Zelig) but the notion also strains the limits of credibility. It is never once convincing how nobody ever sees through any of his ruses. This is generally a dialogue-heavy and sluggishly paced affair too. Luther Adler absolutely shines in the lead role though; his Hitler and his acting-playing-Hitler always feel like two separate characters.
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Post by Simba63 » March 2nd, 2019, 3:27 am

I'm hopefully in for 31...the number I need for platinum on the 101 War list. B)

01. The Red Badge of Courage (1951) - 7/10
02. Buck Privates (1941) - 7/10
03. Ice Cold in Alex (1958) - 7/10
04. Enigma (2001) - 6/10


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Post by maxwelldeux » March 2nd, 2019, 6:29 am

sol wrote:
March 2nd, 2019, 2:20 am
maxwelldeux wrote:
March 1st, 2019, 5:48 pm
1. Fear and Desire (1953)
Going into it, I was thinking, "Kubrick just has high standards. It can't be THAT bad." But yeah - I think I could have made that film just about as well by myself.
Hmmph! :folded:

I quite like this one. Sure, it is a few notches below his eleven films in the TSP canon, but I thought that there was lots of interesting stuff going on in spite of the amateurish acting. Here is a snippet of what I said at the time:

While not as stylistic and innovatively shot as Killer's Kiss, it actually spins a more engaging narrative, focusing on war from a psychological standpoint with memorable lines such as "enemies do not exist ... unless we call them into being". In an effective touch, Kubrick also lets the characters' narrated thoughts aloud overlap at certain points, and with the way the characters discuss and debate war, Samuel Fuller's superb 1950s war movies frequently come to mind. A renowned perfectionist, it is no surprise that Kubrick was dissatisfied with certain elements of the film, but had he not disowned it, it is unlikely that it would be as poorly received at it often is these days. The choice to not specify the actual war or any nationalities provides the story with a welcome universal quality that resonates strongly considering all the other wars that have occurred since 1953.
What you described is kinda what I wanted - but I just didn't get it. The shot selection wasn't great. The editing was subpar. The acting left a lot to be desired. The script was clunky and frustrating. The philosophy of it reminded me of an unwashed barefoot guy in an independent coffee shop. I just spent more time rolling my eyes than with them steady and looking at the film. Just not my thing. :shrug:

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Post by jeroeno » March 2nd, 2019, 7:20 am

01. Le caporal épinglé (1962)

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Post by sol » March 2nd, 2019, 7:33 am

maxwelldeux wrote:
March 2nd, 2019, 6:29 am
I just spent more time rolling my eyes than with them steady and looking at the film. Just not my thing. :shrug:
Ah, it's okay; we all like different things. I think I was just surprised by how much you seemed to hate the film.
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Post by sol » March 2nd, 2019, 7:35 am

sol wrote:
March 2nd, 2019, 2:23 am
By the way guys, we are absolutely smashing this Challenge. In all fairness it might be a bit early to judge, but this already looks likely to be the most popular Challenge this month. Is that because it has been a couple of years since we have had a War Challenge and the other two Challenges have been annual for quite a while, therefore they are naturally less exciting? :blink:
As it currently stands:

France Challenge - 2 participants

Directed by Women - 5 participants

War Movies - 9 participants

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Post by albajos » March 2nd, 2019, 8:49 am

sol wrote:
March 2nd, 2019, 7:35 am
we are absolutely smashing this Challenge.
And you can finally watch Zero Dark Thirty after punning it for a month. It's even a double.

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Post by albajos » March 2nd, 2019, 9:02 am

Also the record for War is 143. For France 100 (104 for french) and Directed by women 119.
War has 2 official lists, France has 3 and DbW 0.

War and France are easy searchable on most movie sites, for the last you actually have to check the director, and in some instances try to figure out if it's a woman's name, man's name or x. So it's just more work.

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Post by shugs » March 2nd, 2019, 10:33 am

1. Overlord (Julius Avery, 2018) - 7/10

A fun, if a little bit subdued experience, given its premise.

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Post by PUNQ » March 2nd, 2019, 3:12 pm

I'll join the March War! Only natural for me as I'm right in the middle of finishing 1943 and 90% of the films were in some way related to war.


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1. Five Graves to Cairo (1943, Billy Wilder) - 6/10
--- Five Graves to Cairo (1943) shows high quality at times, but doesn't provide the excitement all the way through. Felt it was a real good role for Franchot Tone, who was usually cast in flirtation movies, so it was a nice change to see him in something more serious. Starts off excellent, with the middle portion being the weak spot filling time before the patriotic conclusion. Fresh man in Hollywood, Peter van Eyck, was a vital part on the enemy side before the more flamboyant Erich von Stroheim took over the leadership, both in ranks and screen time. I would have preferred it if Eyck stayed as the one in focus for this one, but he became a key actor regardless of being pushed aside by the veteran.


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2. For God and Country (1943, MGM) - 3/10
--- A dramatized war production explaining how religion fits into battle and the importance of chaplains as motivational and mentally healing factors in troubled times. Effective in it's use, but not essential viewing in any way or form. Just an example of how Ronald Reagan and several other respected actors were used by the war department right in the middle of World War II.


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3. Batman (1943, Lambert Hillyer) - 5/10
--- My 10,000th review on Letterboxd!!! I don't think anyone else is even close. I'm not saying it's ten-thousand good reviews, for deep analytic essays of each film is nearly impossible with the quantities I watch. I did try in periods to write more elaborate pieces, but marriage and children has made it difficult to do that these days. I feel lucky to even scribble down a few sentences in the passive chaos of my life. The more overwhelming a movie experience have been, the less I often feel like writing about it. But I do enjoy doing this, even on smaller scale than before. On to the review....

I'm used to the format and repetitiveness of these old serials, and this is very representative of how episodic Cinema series was before television took over that style of production. Batman (1943) is a lot of fun and about average as far as serials go. Perhaps a little below the mark too considering thanks to it's lack of prominent leads. This was pretty much the only thing of note either Batman & Robin, Lewis Wilson & Douglas Croft, did during their brief Hollywood careers, and you can easily see why they didn't have much success after this.

I'm a little bit baffled by all the criticism of racism and taking Batman out of his element on Letterboxd. Please understand context. It's not that difficult. JAPAN HAD JUST BOMBED PEARL HARBOR! Unprovoked, killing 2,335 people, in one of the biggest attacks on American soil. It was Batman's duty, like every right minded person, to fight this new level of evil. Even Sherlock Holmes had joined the war effort! Naturally a evil Japanese character wasn't going to be portrayed in a positive light, or even at human level!

Regardless of what dated feelings this war time Batman series created, you can clearly see where the 1966 TV-series found it's inspiration from. Lovely camp quality humor and playful madness, though a lot of it was more unintentional for this 1943 serial than the more beloved TV adaptation a couple of decades later. Since this was the FIRST EVER screen Batman, it's of great interest. A stark contrast to todays serious business, it's more catered to a youthful audience, not to be taken serious at all. And that's the charm of this old pop culture relic!


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4. A Guy Named Joe (1943, Victor Fleming) - 6/10
--- A little too much on the romantic side of death, but if anyone has the personality to give death life, it's Spencer Tracy. In many ways he dampens the fear of dying. It's most comforting. Sure, there is the longing of losing someone, but the story gives relevance to move on and accept the end not the worst thing to happen to a good fellow. A mentality very related to the war they were in. Not a life changing movie, but perhaps a death changing one.


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5. Edge of Darkness (1943, Lewis Milestone) - 6/10
--- That was quite a massacre on Norwegian soil. Surprisingly grotesque by classic Hollywood, and with so much of that charm toned down from the usual Errol Flynn vehicle. It was clear Edge of Darkness (1943) was serious business. About uniting and sacrificing oneself against the Nazi occupants so that good will prevail, regardless of consequence. Could have needed some more interesting stuff gong on in the middle, but that was a real heavy-hitting conclusion!


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6. The Miracle of Morgan's Creek (1943, Preston Sturges) - 7/10
--- Do I have the wait for a sequel to find out who the father was?! Preston Sturges really goes absurd with this one! Throws out every rule in the book and turns it into a happy(ish) ending. Oh, and poor fellow. Only thing this has to do with the war is that she gets pregnant with a phantom soldier about to go into war. Had this not had the "WAR" label on IMDB, I wouldn't have included it. But since it does, I take advantage of the situation like a vulture.


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1. Five Graves to Cairo (1943, Billy Wilder) - 6/10
2. For God and Country (1943, MGM) - 3/10
3. Batman (1943, Lambert Hillyer) - 5/10
4. A Guy Named Joe (1943, Victor Fleming) - 6/10
5. Edge of Darkness (1943, Lewis Milestone) - 6/10
6. The Miracle of Morgan's Creek (1943, Preston Sturges) - 7/10

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Post by vortexsurfer » March 2nd, 2019, 4:16 pm

1. G.I. Jane (Ridley Scott, 1997)

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Post by 3eyes » March 2nd, 2019, 4:29 pm

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March 2nd, 2019, 3:12 pm
I'll join the March War! Only natural for me as I'm right in the middle of finishing 1943 and 90% of the films were in some way related to war.

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1. Five Graves to Cairo (1943, Billy Wilder) - 6/10
2. For God and Country (1943, MGM) - 3/10
3. Batman (1943, Lambert Hillyer) - 5/10
4. A Guy Named Joe (1943, Victor Fleming) - 6/10
5. Edge of Darkness (1943, Lewis Milestone) - 6/10
6. The Miracle of Morgan's Creek (1943, Preston Sturges) - 7/10
I've seen 3 of those. Here are my checked feature films from 43 that I remember seeing at the local theater (I would have been around 8):
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Tarzan triumphs
My friend Flicka
Stage Door Canteen
Hello, Frisco, hello
This is the army
Lost angel
Victory through air power (Disney but not for kids)
Lassie come home
The human comedy

I badly wanted to see Madame Curie but nobody would take me.
:run: STILL the Gaffer!

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Post by Traveller » March 2nd, 2019, 5:18 pm

2. A Year of the Quiet Sun (1984) - 7/10
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But at the bottom, the immanent philosopher sees in the entire universe only the deepest longing for absolute annihilation, and it is as if he clearly hears the call that permeates all spheres of heaven: Redemption! Redemption! Death to our life! and the comforting answer: you will all find annihilation and be redeemed!

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