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Post by sol » May 13th, 2018, 12:00 pm

North by North WestShow
1. Godmonster of Indian Flats (1973)
2. The Four of the Apocalypse (1975)
3. Friendly Persuasion (1956)
4. Day of the Outlaw (1959)
5. The Hired Hand (1971)
6. In Old Arizona (1928)
7. Soldier Blue (1970)
8. Go West (1925)
9. Heartland (1979)
10. Will Penny (1967)

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Charlton Heston believed this to be his best work - with good reason. From his readiness to let a dying friend defame him while bragging to a woman, to the way he very reluctantly bonds with a deserted lady and her son, it is a remarkably understated and sympathetic turn from an actor best known for big spectacle roles. Donald Pleasance is a little too comical to ever really seem menacing as the villain here, but the film ends on an incredible strong (and unpredictable) note.
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Post by sol » May 13th, 2018, 12:01 pm

Updated Standings

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Post by jvv » May 13th, 2018, 12:22 pm

2. Prega il morto e ammazza il vivo (1971) aka Shoot the Living and Pray for the Dead - 6.5/10

I got the feeling that Quentin Tarantino saw this before he made The Hateful Eight.
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1. La taglia è tua... l'uomo l'ammazzo io (1969) aka El Puro - 3/10
2. Prega il morto e ammazza il vivo (1971) aka Shoot the Living and Pray for the Dead - 6.5/10

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#124

Post by Simba63 » May 13th, 2018, 5:01 pm

31. Giù la testa (1971) - 8/10
32. Navajo Joe (1966) - 5/10
33. The Terror of Tiny Town (1938) - 3/10

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Post by allisoncm » May 13th, 2018, 5:06 pm

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1. Pale Rider 3/10 Everything I hate about westerns: Clint Eastwood, violence, and dead animals.
2. Oh, Susanna! 4/10 This was pretty dumb. Gene Autry playing himself. Would work if I were a hardcore fan, but I’m not.
3. The Tall Men (1955) 5/10 Worth it for Jane Russell singing and Raoul Walsh directing. Otherwise…not much to see here, folks.
4. Terror in a Texas Town 5/10 Checked it out on Amazon Prime. They have a lot of westerns.
5. Keoma - 4/10 I find spaghetti westerns to be particularly bad. Starting with partial or full dubbing and the horrible situations. This dealt with racist characters and I am not into shootouts or violence, so I really hated this.
6. Una pistola per Ringo 5/10 - Not into the violence and rape and the main character who was just a mercenary.
7. Monte Walsh 1/10 Jeanne Moreau couldn’t save this movie. I didn’t find Monte Walsh, the character, all that likable.
8. Mannaja 4/10 Welcome to another movie where men are trying to be macho through violence and the women are basically prostitutes.
9. Man from Del Rio (1956) https://letterboxd.com/film/man-from-del-rio/

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Post by Knaldskalle » May 14th, 2018, 1:01 am

5. The Grand Duel (aka The Big Showdown) (Il Grande Duello; Santini, 1972). I bought this as part of a double feature blu-ray (the other feature being Keoma) for $2. Pretty good for the price, if you ask me. This is the second time I've seen it and I liked it better than I did the first time. It's still not great (too many movie cliches for starters), but it has a certain charm to it.
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1. Ride the High Country (Peckinpah, 1962).
2. One Dollar Too Many (aka. I Came, I Saw, I Shot) (I tre che sconvolsero il West (Vado, vedo e sparo); Castellari, 1968)
3. The Beast (La Belva; Costa, 1970)
4. Blindman (Baldi, 1971)
5. The Grand Duel (aka The Big Showdown) (Il Grande Duello; Santini, 1972)
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Post by VincentPrice » May 14th, 2018, 5:08 am

2. Django, Prepare a Coffin-1968: 8/10
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1. Keoma-1976: 9/10 (rewatch)

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Post by sol » May 14th, 2018, 11:37 am

North by North WestShow
1. Godmonster of Indian Flats (1973)
2. The Four of the Apocalypse (1975)
3. Friendly Persuasion (1956)
4. Day of the Outlaw (1959)
5. The Hired Hand (1971)
6. In Old Arizona (1928)
7. Soldier Blue (1970)
8. Go West (1925)
9. Heartland (1979)
10. Will Penny (1967)
11. Forty Guns (1957)

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Forty Guns is a magnificent-looking film with pre-007 shots that stare down the barrel of a shotgun, many shots in which the camera walks alongside the characters and even some intentional blurry shots for a man losing his vision. As a narrative though, Forty Guns leaves a lot to be desired. The film features not one but two poorly developed romantic subplots complete with cloying music - but boy does the film look divine.
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Post by cinephage » May 14th, 2018, 2:25 pm

03. Ramrod, by Andre de Toth (1947) 8/10

The ambition and resentment of Veronica Lake devastate a small city and put Joel McCrea in a tight spot. A nice, well-crafted western.
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01. Da uomo a uomo, by Giulio Petroni (1967) 7,5/10
02. The Missouri Breaks, by Arthur Penn (1976) 7/10

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#130

Post by Simba63 » May 14th, 2018, 6:19 pm

34. I quattro dell'Ave Maria (1968) - 6/10
35. Requiescant (1967) - 5/10
36. El precio de un hombre (1966) - 5/10

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Post by 72allinncallme » May 14th, 2018, 7:50 pm

9. Aferim! (2015)
10. Stars in My Crown (1950)
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1. Greaser’s Palace (1972)
2. Oh, Susanna! (1936)
3. Faccia a faccia (1967)
4. The Proud Ones (1956)
5. Westward the Women (1951)
6. The Grey Fox (1982)
7. The Raid (1954)
8. Canyon Passage (1946)
9. Aferim! (2015)
10. Stars in My Crown (1950)

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Post by Nathan Treadway » May 15th, 2018, 2:47 am

sol on May 13 2018, 06:01:39 AM wrote:Updated Standings

PUNQ - 37
Simba63 - 27
psychotronicbeatnik - 22
jdidaco - 14
maxwelldeux - 14
frbrown - 11
sol - 10
OldAle1 - 9
3eyes - 8
72allinncallme - 8
allisoncm - 8
hurluberlu - 7
weirdboy - 7
Hippimans - 5
Mate_cosido - 5
Knaldskalle - 4
cinephage - 2
VincentPrice - 1
Tarris1 - 1
vortexsurfer - 1
jvv - 1
blocho - 1
I thought I posted them the other day. I updated my spreadsheet, but I guess I forgot to post it.
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Post by 3eyes » May 15th, 2018, 3:33 am

9. The slowest gun in the West (60) - 1st check
TV spoof with Phil Silvers and Jack Benny vying for the above title. Amusing enough, but it has a laugh track. On Amazon Prime.
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1. Quién sabe? / A bullet for the general (67) [Triple]
2. Way out West (37)
3. Rustlers’ Rhapsody (85)
4. I Crudeli / Hellbenders (It 67) - Triple
5-6. Dr. Quinn, medicine woman (93, S1, Ep 1-2)
7. American outlaws (01)
8. Kung Fu (72-5, S1, Pilot) [Psychotronic] - Double
9. The slowest gun in the West (60) - 1st check
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Post by maxwelldeux » May 15th, 2018, 3:42 am

Nathan Treadway on May 14 2018, 08:47:48 PM wrote:I thought I posted them the other day. I updated my spreadsheet, but I guess I forgot to post it.
I hate when I do that. Like when you type an email, but forget to hit send, then the person asks for it, and then you have to spend 20 minutes figuring out why they didn't receive it, only to realize that it was a classic PEBKAC problem. :pinch:

I may have had this experience a few times.

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Post by sol » May 15th, 2018, 12:13 pm

Nathan Treadway on May 14 2018, 08:47:48 PM wrote:
sol on May 13 2018, 06:01:39 AM wrote:Updated Standings
I thought I posted them the other day. I updated my spreadsheet, but I guess I forgot to post it.
And it's still not updated :unsure: - just in case you've made that same mistake again. :pinch:

As I said though, it's alright: I can post manual updates every couple of days if it helps. If it annoys you though, let me know.
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Post by sol » May 15th, 2018, 12:20 pm

Once Upon a Time in the WestShow
1. Godmonster of Indian Flats (1973)
2. The Four of the Apocalypse (1975)
3. Friendly Persuasion (1956)
4. Day of the Outlaw (1959)
5. The Hired Hand (1971)
6. In Old Arizona (1928)
7. Soldier Blue (1970)
8. Go West (1925)
9. Heartland (1979)
10. Will Penny (1967)
11. Forty Guns (1957)
12. Oh, Susanna! (1936)

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The plot here does not make a whole lot of sense as an outlaw steals the identity of singing cowboy Gene Autry (playing himself) and manages to convince everyone he runs into -- including some close relatives (!) -- that he is Autry, despite looking nothing like him. There are, however, some reasonably suspenseful bits and pieces with decent rear projection car chases and a lot of on-location photography, plus the songs are okay.
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Post by Simba63 » May 15th, 2018, 3:46 pm

37. Joko invoca Dio... e muori (1968) - 6/10
38. La resa dei conti (1966) - 7/10
39. Faccia a faccia (1967) - 7/10

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Post by allisoncm » May 15th, 2018, 5:18 pm

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1. Pale Rider 3/10 Everything I hate about westerns: Clint Eastwood, violence, and dead animals.
2. Oh, Susanna! 4/10 This was pretty dumb. Gene Autry playing himself. Would work if I were a hardcore fan, but I’m not.
3. The Tall Men (1955) 5/10 Worth it for Jane Russell singing and Raoul Walsh directing. Otherwise…not much to see here, folks.
4. Terror in a Texas Town 5/10 Checked it out on Amazon Prime. They have a lot of westerns.
5. Keoma - 4/10 I find spaghetti westerns to be particularly bad. Starting with partial or full dubbing and the horrible situations. This dealt with racist characters and I am not into shootouts or violence, so I really hated this.
6. Una pistola per Ringo 5/10 - Not into the violence and rape and the main character who was just a mercenary.
7. Monte Walsh 1/10 Jeanne Moreau couldn’t save this movie. I didn’t find Monte Walsh, the character, all that likable.
8. Mannaja 4/10 Welcome to another movie where men are trying to be macho through violence and the women are basically prostitutes.
9. Man from Del Rio (1956) https://letterboxd.com/film/man-from-del-rio/
10. Broken Arrow (1950) 7.5 Yay, the first western I’ve liked for this challenge. https://letterboxd.com/allisoncm/film/broken-arrow/

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Post by maxwelldeux » May 15th, 2018, 5:51 pm

15. Stagecoach (1939)
16. Westworld: Dissonance Theory (2016)
I live in the WestShow
1. Rio Bravo (1959)
2. Dead Aim (1975)
3. Westworld: The Original (2017)
4. My Darling Clementine (1946)
5. Dead Man (1995)
6. Si può fare... Amigo AKA Bulldozer Is Back Amigo (1972)
7. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962)
8. The Lone Ranger (2013)
9. The Grand Duel (1972)
10. Hell's Hinges (1916)
11. True Grit (2010)
12. Westworld: Chestnut (2016)
13. Westworld: The Stray (2016)
14. El Topo (1970)
15. Stagecoach (1939)
16. Westworld: Dissonance Theory (2016)

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Post by OldAle1 » May 15th, 2018, 10:52 pm

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1. Une corde, un colt... / Cemetery Without Crosses (Robert Hossein, 1969)
2. Oh, Susanna! (Joseph Kane, 1936)
3. Heritage of the Desert (Henry Hathaway, 1932)
4. The Thundering Herd (Henry Hathaway, 1933)
5. The Last Sunset (Robert Aldrich, 1961)
6. Il ritorno di Ringo / The Return of Ringo (Duccio Tessari, 1965)
7. The Squaw Man (Cecil B. De Mille/Oscar Apfel, 1914)
8. Deputy Marshall (William Berke, 1949)
9. Great Day in the Morning (Jacques Tourneur, 1956)
10. Posse From Hell (Herbert Coleman, 1961)

An exciting opening, as a bunch of escaped convicts hold a saloon hostage after killing a few people and mortally wounding the sheriff; escaping from town, the group (which includes future star Lee Van Cleef) is soon tracked by the man who was to be the new deputy, Banner Cole (Audie Murphy) and a small posse that includes tenderfoot Seymour Kern (John Saxon). Most of the film involves the chase, with both the posse and the bandit group slowly whittled down by shootouts or desertions. Zohra Lampert plays a woman taken by the outlaws as hostage and clearly raped repeatedly (this being 1961 you have to infer it, but it's more obvious than in most films of the time), and much of what makes this film a cut above most b-westerns of the time is the way in which the cold, hard Murphy softens - but just gradually - under the influences of both Lampert and Saxon, who while not used to the western life has more guts and personal morality than most of the other posse riders. The find of this challenge so far for me; I usually like Murphy's westerns but few are as good as this and probably No Name on the Bullet is the only film that might exceed it.

11. Lone Wolf McQuade (Steve Carver, 1983) (re-watch)

A modern western-cop story with Chuck Norris as the Texas Ranger out to avenge his partner's death, keep his own family safe, and of course beat up and then kill the bad guys headed by David Carradine who are smuggling US Army weapons to terrorists. Filmed in Texas with a fair amount of local flavor and a solid supporting cast including Leon Isaac Kennedy and Robert Beltran as Norris' eventual, very young partners, Barbara Carrera and stalwart L.Q. Jones, the guy you got when Sam Elliott wasn't available. While Chuck is his usual void of charisma and acting talent, and this is quite predictable and needlessly cataclysmic at the end, it's still pretty easily among Chuck's best few films, and pending a re-watch of Code of Silence I'd say it probably is the best. Take that for what it's worth.

12. Una pistola per Ringo / A Pistol for Ringo (Duccio Tessari, 1965)

The first of the two "Ringo" films from 1965 with this director and star Giuliano Gemma, and roughly on the same quality level as the "sequel" (not really) Il ritorno di Ringo. In this one Ringo's an easy-going kinda-bad-guy in jail for something relatively minor, but given a release to go after the REALLY bad bandits holed up in a well-fortified ranch who have knocked over the bank and killed a bunch of folks. This is easier-going than the second film but feels like it moves a little better and the action sequences are maybe slightly more fun, but as I said, on much the same level overall. Morricone's score isn't one of his most memorable.

13. The Undefeated (Andrew V. McLaglen, 1969)

I had only two postwar John Wayne westerns left to go (the other is The Fighting Kentuckian and now I have one. Wasn't looking forward to this really because it's McLaglen, and I was right to be apprehensive, though it's certainly not the worst film from director or star by a long shot. It's mostly just dull and filled with predictable huge and pointless time-wasting brawls which you get in all the Wayne/McLaglen films, and it's more than a little pathetic in it's handling of race, with a heroic slaveowner (Rock Hudson) perfectly ok that his daughter might be falling for an Indian. Not to mention the very casual way in which our boys in Blue and Gray seem to forget their differences over the course of a couple of battles with Indians and Mexicans. Hey, killing somebody else brings us all together! On the plus side we have a bunch of great western regulars like Ben Johnson, Dub Taylor, Royal Dano and Harry Carey Jr. Meh.
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Post by 3eyes » May 16th, 2018, 3:27 am

10. The baron of Arizona (50) - Double
Vincent Price plays the swindler James Addison Reavis - a historical figure, though Samuel Fuller's film contains a lot of ahistoricity.
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1. Quién sabe? / A bullet for the general (67) [Triple]
2. Way out West (37)
3. Rustlers’ Rhapsody (85)
4. I Crudeli / Hellbenders (It 67) - Triple
5-6. Dr. Quinn, medicine woman (93, S1, Ep 1-2)
7. American outlaws (01)
8. Kung Fu (72-5, S1, Pilot) [Psychotronic] - Double
9. The slowest gun in the West (60) - 1st check
10. The baron of Arizona (50) - Double
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Post by jdidaco » May 16th, 2018, 5:25 am

15. The Scavengers (Lee Frost, 1969) 6/10
16. Cry for Me, Billy (William A. Graham, 1972) 8/10

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1. Minnesota Clay (Sergio Corbucci, 1964) 7/10
2. La morte non conta I dollari (Death at Owell Rock, Riccardo Freda, 1967) 7/10
3. Apachen (Apaches, Gottfried Kolditz, 1973) 7/10
4. Blauvogel (Blue Bird, Ulrich Weiß, 1979) 9.5/10
5. El hombre que mató a Billy el Niño/...E divenne il più spietato bandito del sud (The Man Who Killed Billy the Kid, Julio Buchs, 1967) 7/10
6. Los desesperados/Quei disperati che puzzano di sudore e di morte (A Bullet for Sandoval, Julio Buchs, 1969) 8/10
7. Tutto per tutto (Go for Broke, Umberto Lenzi, 1968) 7.5/10
8. Una pistola per cento bare (Pistol for a Hundred Coffins, Umberto Lenzi, 1968) 8/10
9. 1000 dollari sul nero ($1,000 on the Black, Alberto Cardone, 1966) 8/10
10. Quanto costa morire (Cost of Dying, Sergio Merolle, 1968) 7.5/10
11. Réquiem para el gringo/Requiem per un gringo (Requiem for a Gringo, José Luis Merino & Eugenio Martín, 1968) 8/10
12. La cólera del viento/La collera del vento (The Wind's Fierce, Mario Camus, 1970) 9/10
13. Se incontri Sartana prega per la tua morte (If You Meet Sartana... Pray for Your Death, Gianfranco Parolini, 1968) 7.5/10
14. Spara, Gringo, spara (Shoot, Gringo... Shoot!, Bruno Corbucci, 1968) 7/10

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Post by frbrown » May 16th, 2018, 5:43 am

12. Una pistola per Ringo (1965)
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1. The Terror of Tiny Town (1938)
2. Monte Walsh (1970)
3. Django Kill... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
4. The Great K & A Train Robbery (1926)
5. Hang 'Em High (1968)
6. Ace High (1968)
7. Oh, Susanna! (1936)
8. The Unforgiven (1960)
9. Winds of the Wasteland (1936)
10. Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
11. Man in the Shadow (1957)
12. Una pistola per Ringo (1965)
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Post by sol » May 16th, 2018, 12:47 pm

Once Upon a Time in the WestShow
1. Godmonster of Indian Flats (1973)
2. The Four of the Apocalypse (1975)
3. Friendly Persuasion (1956)
4. Day of the Outlaw (1959)
5. The Hired Hand (1971)
6. In Old Arizona (1928)
7. Soldier Blue (1970)
8. Go West (1925)
9. Heartland (1979)
10. Will Penny (1967)
11. Forty Guns (1957)
12. Oh, Susanna! (1936)
13. The Eyes of Fire (1983)

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Part supernatural horror movie, part mystical western, this strange little film tracks the experiences of a group of pioneers looking to settle in a nearby region that is said to be haunted by Native American spirits. There is plenty of weird and wacky imagery with techniques ranging from inverse nighttime footage to jump cuts and rapid fire flashes. The plot is a bit of a mess though and it is really hard to care about the characters as the story constantly takes a backseat to the visuals here.
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Post by Nathan Treadway » May 16th, 2018, 1:32 pm

STANDINGSShow
Simba63 - 39
PUNQ - 37
pschotronicbeatnik - 22
jdidaco - 16
maxwelldeux - 16
OldAle1 - 13
sol - 13
frbrown - 12
72allinncallme 10
3eyes 10
allisoncm - 10
weirdboy 7
hurluberlu - 7
Knaldskalle - 5
Mate_cosido - 5
Hippiemans - 5
cinephage - 3
VincentPrice - 2
jvv - 2
Tarris1 - 1
vortexsurfer - 1
blocho - 1
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“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ (Matthew 25:37-40)

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Post by Simba63 » May 16th, 2018, 2:37 pm

40. California (1977) - 7/10
41. Mannaja (1977) - 5/10

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Post by sol » May 16th, 2018, 3:56 pm

Once Upon a Time in the WestShow
1. Godmonster of Indian Flats (1973)
2. The Four of the Apocalypse (1975)
3. Friendly Persuasion (1956)
4. Day of the Outlaw (1959)
5. The Hired Hand (1971)
6. In Old Arizona (1928)
7. Soldier Blue (1970)
8. Go West (1925)
9. Heartland (1979)
10. Will Penny (1967)
11. Forty Guns (1957)
12. Oh, Susanna! (1936)
13. The Eyes of Fire (1983)
14. The Lone Ranger (2013)

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A surprisingly encapsulating and enthralling movie. It has its vices for sure (cross-dressing baddie awkwardly played for laughs, too much nonviolence debate, the group sex music from A Clockwork Orange during the climax) but the gradual rapport that builds between the leads always feels real, the there is amazingly well trained horse and the stunts are truly breathtaking. This is also very violent and brutal for a Disney Studios production. There is no attempt to whitewash or pretty things up for kids. This may even be Disney's grittiest movie to date.
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Post by OldAle1 » May 16th, 2018, 4:11 pm

sol on May 16 2018, 09:56:26 AM wrote:
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A surprisingly encapsulating and enthralling movie. It has its vices for sure (cross-dressing baddie awkwardly played for laughs, too much nonviolence debate, the group sex music from A Clockwork Orange during the climax) but the gradual rapport that builds between the leads always feels real, the there is amazingly well trained horse and the stunts are truly breathtaking. This is also very violent and brutal for a Disney Studios production. There is no attempt to whitewash or pretty things up for kids. This may even be Disney's grittiest movie to date.
Damn, a positive review for TLR? Wow. I can't remember too many details about it myself now, guess I've wiped them from my mind, but at the time I think I felt it was the worst western I'd ever seen - leaving aside stuff like Billy the Kid vs Dracula anyway. Now it might have some competition from Mackenna's Gold but still - can't think of anything at all I liked about it honestly.

Always unpredictable sol :lol:
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Post by sol » May 16th, 2018, 4:32 pm

OldAle1 on May 16 2018, 10:11:36 AM wrote:Damn, a positive review for TLR? Wow. I can't remember too many details about it myself now, guess I've wiped them from my mind, but at the time I think I felt it was the worst western I'd ever seen - leaving aside stuff like Billy the Kid vs Dracula anyway. Now it might have some competition from Mackenna's Gold but still - can't think of anything at all I liked about it honestly.

Always unpredictable sol :lol:
I was surprised myself at how much I liked The Lone Ranger given its tepid reputation. It is not a great film by any stretch, but it is a strong 6/10 in my books. I don't know how well it stacks up as a realistic (or true-to-life) western since I am not the biggest fan of the genre, but I expected something a lot more sugar-coated and sanitised for a Disney Studios production, and I loved the grit and brutality of the film, in addition to all the other positives I mentioned above. And with some great set pieces, the film was pretty entertaining too. I mean, when I think of all-time worst westerns, what comes to mind are the static, lifeless likes of In Old Arizona and Vengeance Valley and lame comedies like Pocket Money and Catlow.

But it's nice to know that you find my taste in film to be unpredictable as I have often been told that the opposite is true. :ermm:
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Post by OldAle1 » May 16th, 2018, 4:45 pm

Haven't seen either of the two comedies but VV and IOA are both awfully mediocre. I just remember thinking that The Lone Depp was so over-the-top and such a mess as a narrative that it was pretty nearly unwatchable - and it's dealing with Indians and it's "progressive" elements just seemed forced and cynical to me. And I guess great production design and set pieces aren't enough for me; well, they're enough so that I gave it a 2 instead of a 1.

I actually think most people here are at least a little unpredictable, at least those whose comments I read. I would call myself fairly predictable actually, in large part because I'm very, very auteurist compared to most - there simply isn't any chance whatsoever that I'm going to hate a Godard or Naruse or Jost or Ruiz film for example, while for many people there are vast gulfs between films even from directors with small and consistent filmographies; people who *love* Stalker and *hate* The Sacrifice for example. That's incomprehensible to me but I think it's more common, at least from what I've seen both here and on IMDb, than my attitude. This is not to say that I'm a total slave to The Great Directors but I suppose I come closer than most.
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Post by maxwelldeux » May 16th, 2018, 5:25 pm

The Lone Ranger, to me, had the feel of a 9-figure test. Like Disney said, "Gore Verbinskia and Johnny Depp - y'all struck GOLD for us with the Pirates franchise. Here's a $100M+ to see if you're magic."

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Post by OldAle1 » May 16th, 2018, 5:37 pm

^ Yeah pretty much. And John Carter was sort of it's opposite - "this'll look cool for everybody who wants another Star Wars type thing, we don't need any stars". And both failed. I think the lessons that have been learned over the last decade are that

1. stars really don't matter that much for most of this kind of stuff, but
2. you have to have the right high concept. Superheroes yes, pre-WWII pop culture that isn't superheroes, no.
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Post by maxwelldeux » May 16th, 2018, 10:47 pm

17. Red River (1948) <-- Bronze on Roger Ebert list! :banana:

John Wayne takes his cattle on a drive from Texas to Missouri, and faces numerous struggles along the way. I was really pleasantly surprised at how much I liked this one. Great tension build throughout, with multiple sources of conflict, including the elements, mutiny, outside attacks, and family disagreements. It was kinda nice seeing John Wayne playing a villain-type character and not simply the "John Wayne is the manliest of men" stereotype. I saw a number of comments about disliking the ending of the film, and I have to say I didn't mind it in the slightest. I did watch the Theatrical Cut, which had the ending cut down a bit (and is the preferred cut of the director), and that may have helped, but I thought it was unexpected and interesting. Really good, and added to my favorites list.
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1. Rio Bravo (1959)
2. Dead Aim (1975)
3. Westworld: The Original (2017)
4. My Darling Clementine (1946)
5. Dead Man (1995)
6. Si può fare... Amigo AKA Bulldozer Is Back Amigo (1972)
7. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962)
8. The Lone Ranger (2013)
9. The Grand Duel (1972)
10. Hell's Hinges (1916)
11. True Grit (2010)
12. Westworld: Chestnut (2016)
13. Westworld: The Stray (2016)
14. El Topo (1970)
15. Stagecoach (1939)
16. Westworld: Dissonance Theory (2016)
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Post by frbrown » May 17th, 2018, 12:19 am

13. Calamity Jane (1953)
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1. The Terror of Tiny Town (1938)
2. Monte Walsh (1970)
3. Django Kill... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
4. The Great K & A Train Robbery (1926)
5. Hang 'Em High (1968)
6. Ace High (1968)
7. Oh, Susanna! (1936)
8. The Unforgiven (1960)
9. Winds of the Wasteland (1936)
10. Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
11. Man in the Shadow (1957)
12. Una pistola per Ringo (1965)
13. Calamity Jane (1953)
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Post by morrison-dylan-fan » May 17th, 2018, 12:24 am

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1: Long Live ... Your Death! (1971)7

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Bringing the influence of director Duccio Tessari's work with Sergio Leone in their adaptation of Lewis B. Patten's novel, the writers lean on Leone's landmark Spaghetti Westerns in the miss-matched friends relationship between Lozoya and Prince Dmitri,and a search for gold taking place against a Mexican Revolution backdrop. Whilst not shying away from their inspirations, the writers give the title its own refreshingly quirky edge, via farcical comedy of the map being on Lozoya's bottom, and Mary O'Donnell standing out from the usual ladies of the genre,by diving into the fighting.

Backed by a Morricone-sounding score from Gianni Ferrio, director Duccio Tessari & cinematographer José F. Aguayo make the Spaghetti Western shoot-outs crackle with excitement,as the whip-pans rush to follow Dmitri and Lozoya's quest for gold. Holding them up to give info to rival outlaws, Tessari loads up on the tension with lingering close-ups catching the guys thinking up elaborate escape plans. Performing the theme song, Lynn Redgrave gives an energetic performance as O'Donnell,with Redgrave hitting the action scenes with a real relish. Appearing in only his second Spaghetti Western, Franco Nero gives a terrific performance as Prince Dmitri,whose swift exchanges with Eli Wallach's very good performance as Lozoya balances slippery comedy and crunchy shoot-outs,where both of them turn the other cheek.

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Post by sol » May 17th, 2018, 1:11 pm

maxwelldeux on May 16 2018, 11:25:07 AM wrote:The Lone Ranger, to me, had the feel of a 9-figure test. Like Disney said, "Gore Verbinskia and Johnny Depp - y'all struck GOLD for us with the Pirates franchise. Here's a $100M+ to see if you're magic."
Well, to be honest, I am kind of happy that The Lone Ranger tanked with critics and general audiences at the time since it forced Verbinski into making more modest films and his recent A Cure for Wellness is easily his best film to date (as well as one of the finest films this decade). I do, however, think that The Lone Ranger's poor reputation is unfortunate. It is pretty much the opposite of what one would expect from a 2.5 hour Disney movie.
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Post by sol » May 17th, 2018, 1:14 pm

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1. Godmonster of Indian Flats (1973)
2. The Four of the Apocalypse (1975)
3. Friendly Persuasion (1956)
4. Day of the Outlaw (1959)
5. The Hired Hand (1971)
6. In Old Arizona (1928)
7. Soldier Blue (1970)
8. Go West (1925)
9. Heartland (1979)
10. Will Penny (1967)
11. Forty Guns (1957)
12. Oh, Susanna! (1936)
13. The Eyes of Fire (1983)
14. The Lone Ranger (2013)
15. I Shot Jesse James (1949)

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This Sam Fuller western looks great with lethargic dissolve edits, dark lighting and many close-ups of John Ireland, well cast as an internally conflicted and guilt-ridden Coward Robert Ford. Fuller's screenplay taps well into the bitter irony of Ford's tale, having killed James to be a free man, only to find himself less free than ever, publicly despised and hunted by wannabe gunslingers at every turn.
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Post by frbrown » May 17th, 2018, 9:42 pm

14. If You Meet Sartana Pray for Your Death (1968)
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1. The Terror of Tiny Town (1938)
2. Monte Walsh (1970)
3. Django Kill... If You Live, Shoot! (1967)
4. The Great K & A Train Robbery (1926)
5. Hang 'Em High (1968)
6. Ace High (1968)
7. Oh, Susanna! (1936)
8. The Unforgiven (1960)
9. Winds of the Wasteland (1936)
10. Lonely Are the Brave (1962)
11. Man in the Shadow (1957)
12. Una pistola per Ringo (1965)
13. Calamity Jane (1953)
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Post by 3eyes » May 18th, 2018, 3:22 am

11. The shootist (76) [500+ essential cult] - Double
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1. Quién sabe? / A bullet for the general (67) [Triple]
2. Way out West (37)
3. Rustlers’ Rhapsody (85)
4. I Crudeli / Hellbenders (It 67) - Triple
5-6. Dr. Quinn, medicine woman (93, S1, Ep 1-2)
7. American outlaws (01)
8. Kung Fu (72-5, S1, Pilot) [Psychotronic] - Double
9. The slowest gun in the West (60) - 1st check
10. The baron of Arizona (50) - Double
11. The shootist (76) - Double
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Post by Simba63 » May 18th, 2018, 3:42 am

42. Una nuvola di polvere... un grido di morte... arriva Sartana (1970) - 6/10
43. Keoma (1976) - 7/10
44. Oh, Susanna! (1936) - 4/10
45. Quién sabe? (1967) - 6/10
46. Terror in a Texas Town (1958) - 6/10
47. Gli specialisti (1969) - 5/10

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