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Latin American Challenge (February 2018)

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Post by clemmetarey » January 27th, 2018, 6:55 pm

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Goal:
Watch as many Latin American films as you can. If you're not sure whether a film count, just ask.

Rules:
- A feature film (over 45 minutes) counts as one entry.
- 60 minutes of short films count as one entry.
- The usual miniseries rule applies.
- Rewatches are allowed.
Eligible countriesShow
Argentina
Bolivia
Brazil
Chile
Colombia
Costa Rica
Cuba
Dominican Republic
Ecuador
El Salvador
Guatemala
Haiti
Honduras
Mexico
Nicaragua
Panama
Paraguay
Peru
Uruguay
Venezuela

...and these non-sovereign territories, collectivities and regions:

French Guiana
Guadeloupe
Martinique
Puerto Rico
Saint Barthélemy
Saint Martin
Official General lists:

UNESCO - Bolivia (54-68), Brazil (69-85), Chile (114-128), Colombia (144-159), Ecuador (204-214), Mexico (476-490), Peru (551-565), Puerto Rico (596-623), Venezuela (801-815)
Cien anos sin soledad
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2**Aquarius (Brazil 16, 146m) - TSP21, Cahiers10
**El botón de nácar / The pearl button (Chile 15, 82m, doc)
**El elegido / The chosen (Sp-Mex 16, 125m)
**Hoje Eu Quero Voltar Sozinho / The way he looks (Brazil 14, 96m)
**Nise: O Coração da Loucura / Nise: the heart of madness (Brazil 15, 106m)
**Salero (Bolivia/US, 76m)
**Saneamento Básico, O Filme (Brazil 07, 112m)
**O Último Cine Drive-in (Brazil 15, 100m)
**When two worlds collide (Peru/US/UK 16, 103m)

@El premio (Arg 11, 104m)
@Infancia clandestina /Clandestine childhood (Arg 11, 112m)
1@El violin (Mex 05, 98m) - CT
@Wakolda / The German doctor (Arg 13, 93m)
2 @Whisky (Uru 04, 99m) - TSP21, CT


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Post by flaiky » January 27th, 2018, 8:26 pm

I don't feel like I've seen nearly enough from the region, so I'll join in with some viewings.

I hope some people watch the lovely Guatemalan drama Ixcanul.
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Post by Mate_cosido » January 27th, 2018, 9:17 pm

I'm definetly in, i'm ashamed of the few latinamerican movies i've seen being from here


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Post by sortile9io » January 27th, 2018, 9:28 pm

I'll try to fill some gaps on the UNESCO list and/or getting silver on "Cien años sin soledad".

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Post by max-scl » January 27th, 2018, 9:32 pm

This is a list of Latinamerican films nominated for an Oscar in the Foreign Language category, in case anyone wants to intersect challenges.

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls066971884/

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Post by jeroeno » January 27th, 2018, 9:44 pm

The Ariel Award list is another official one.

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Post by clemmetarey » January 27th, 2018, 10:18 pm

Ariel is in the ''Countries lists'' spoilers, along with the Brazilian list.

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Post by jeroeno » January 27th, 2018, 11:00 pm

My bad, I didn't read the spoilers

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Post by Lilarcor » January 28th, 2018, 1:01 am

I'm in! Aiming to get 10.

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Post by OldAle1 » January 28th, 2018, 1:11 am

In, unless my brother's visit in the early part of the month lasts longer than I expect it to, or something else weird happens. I watched a heckuva lot of Canadian films last year for that challenge and I think it's only right that I focus on our other border nation, Mexico, which I'm woefully ignorant of film-wise. Don't know how many I'll get to but I'll set a modest goal of 15-20.
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Post by sacmersault » January 28th, 2018, 4:12 am

I'm definitely in. Looking forward to this one

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Post by 3eyes » January 28th, 2018, 4:27 am

I aim to watch a few.
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Post by VincentPrice » January 28th, 2018, 7:55 am

Sure, why not

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Post by max-scl » January 29th, 2018, 4:03 pm

Thanks to the removal of the restriction to create list, I've made these to that could be useful:

Cóndor de Plata Award - Best Film (Argentina award)

Goya Award for Best Spanish Language Foreign Film (aka Goya for Best Hispanoamerican film)

And this one I previously shared now in ICM format:
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/lati ... d/max-scl/
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Post by 3eyes » January 29th, 2018, 4:30 pm

thanks for these, Max. So glad that restriction (along with others) has been lifted.
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Post by sacmersault » January 31st, 2018, 5:13 am

Just like the Goya Spanish-language award, the Ariel Awards have a prized called Iberoamerican Movie. It could help a lot but it, also, occasionally includes Spanish and Portuguese films, but most are Latin American. The website only lists the nominees since 2000, so I made a list of winners and nominees only from that date.

Only winners:
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/arie ... cmersault/
All:
https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/arie ... cmersault/

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Post by cinewest » January 31st, 2018, 7:18 pm

Just saw a film that won an Ariel for best picture and director (Las Elegidas), and I thought it was very good. Don't want to say any more about it until others have had time to check it out on their own, but suffice to say that it would make my top 20 for 2015.

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Post by jdidaco » January 31st, 2018, 10:58 pm

In, but modestly. Thanks for hosting, clemmetarey.

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Post by max-scl » February 1st, 2018, 7:50 am

1. Abrir puertas y ventanas (2011, Milagros Mumenthaler) Argentina Golden Leopard at Locarno. Very good. 7/10 Very mysterious and beautifully filmed. I also saw the new movie by this director recently (La idea de un lago, 2016) which is also good.

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Post by 3eyes » February 1st, 2018, 3:06 pm

1. Wakolda / The German doctor (Arg 13)

Josef Mengele is hiding out incognito in Patagonia with an unsuspecting Argentine family ....
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Post by 72allinncallme » February 1st, 2018, 10:32 pm

I’m in! Thank you for hosting clemmetarey. Will mostly see movies from the 60’ and WC-films.

1. 25 Watts (2001, Uruguay)

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Post by max-scl » February 1st, 2018, 11:35 pm

2. El pacto de Adriana aka Adriana's Pact (2017, Lissette Orozco) Chile
8/10 A great documentary about the director's aunt. Who was she? A secret police agent during Pinochet's dictatorship. The director's perfect image of her dear auntie starts to crumble after she finds about this and her aunt is sought after by the human rights activists and Chilean (and even Australia's) justice.
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Post by Lilarcor » February 2nd, 2018, 12:26 am

1. 25 Watts (Juan Pablo Rebella & Pablo Stoll, 2001) 6/10 - Uruguay
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Post by 72allinncallme » February 2nd, 2018, 12:36 am

Lilarcor on Feb 1 2018, 05:26:05 PM wrote:1. 21 Watts (Juan Pablo Rebella & Pablo Stoll, 2001) 6/10 - Uruguay
Buy a new lightbulb mate ;)

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Post by Lilarcor » February 2nd, 2018, 12:48 am

72allinncallme on Feb 1 2018, 05:36:23 PM wrote:
Lilarcor on Feb 1 2018, 05:26:05 PM wrote:1. 21 Watts (Juan Pablo Rebella & Pablo Stoll, 2001) 6/10 - Uruguay
Buy a new lightbulb mate ;)
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Post by sacmersault » February 2nd, 2018, 1:06 am

1. Una mujer fantástica (2017, Chile)

Wow! What an amazing film!

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Post by Ivan0716 » February 2nd, 2018, 2:03 am

1. Viridiana (1961) Rewatch - 10/10

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Post by RBG » February 2nd, 2018, 2:21 am

i'll play

1. la niña santa (lucrecia martel 2004) - argentina

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Post by sacmersault » February 2nd, 2018, 9:05 am

Ivan0716 on Feb 1 2018, 07:03:31 PM wrote:1. Viridiana (1961) Rewatch - 10/10
I thought Viridiana is counted as a Spanish film in this forum?

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Post by sacmersault » February 2nd, 2018, 9:06 am

Clemmetarey: Just wanted your opinion for movies that are co-productions

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Post by clemmetarey » February 2nd, 2018, 10:29 am

Ah yes, co-productions. The OP should read ''If you're not sure whether a film count, just ask.'' I'll add it.

I would say co-productions are fine, but the main country should be a latin american one. In the case of Viridiana, spanish actors, filmed in spain, in spanish, the only thing (as far as I know) that would link this to Mexico is Bunuel being mexican.

So I wouldn't say it counts, but I'm open to discussion with other participants.

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Post by clemmetarey » February 2nd, 2018, 10:43 am

1. La Ciénaga (2001, Argentina) 6/10
I had a rough start with this one, because at first I hated every characters. As I got used to them, I started enjoying it more and more.

2. Histórias que Só Existem Quando Lembradas (2011, Brazil) 7/10
What a great film. There was something monotonous but fascinating about their daily life.

Some thoughts in spoiler:
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Did anyone else got the impression the message was ''technology is taking our life away and/or killing us'' ? When Antonio mentions his son was killed by a tractor, when Madalena talks about her own son that died because someone wanted to take a picture of him. At the end, I had the impression Rita killed her by taking her picture and her life at the same time.
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1. La Ciénaga (2001, Argentina) 6/10
2. Histórias que Só Existem Quando Lembradas (2011, Brazil) 7/10

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Post by maxwelldeux » February 2nd, 2018, 11:32 am

clemmetarey on Feb 2 2018, 03:29:00 AM wrote:Ah yes, co-productions. The OP should read ''If you're not sure whether a film count, just ask.'' I'll add it.

I would say co-productions are fine, but the main country should be a latin american one. In the case of Viridiana, spanish actors, filmed in spain, in spanish, the only thing (as far as I know) that would link this to Mexico is Bunuel being mexican.

So I wouldn't say it counts, but I'm open to discussion with other participants.
Heh. I also watched this today, and had the same question...

I looked it up, saw Mexico, so I grabbed it from the library. Looking at trivia of the film along with the film (as I'm wont to do), Spain definitely seemed to pop up as the main country. But after this question popped, I did a little digging, and it turns out Mexico has an interesting role in this film...

Silvia Pinal (i.e., Viridiana in the film) is a Mexican actress. Her husband, Gustavo Alatriste, helped produce the film with his company, which is why it has Mexico listed as a country. She helped convince Bunuel to make this film. Then, after Spain banned the film, she fled with a copy of it to Mexico, saving it from destruction. From her Wikipedia page:
Years later, Pinal, with the help of her second husband, the producer Gustavo Alatriste, went to Spain, and convinced Buñuel to film Viridiana (1961), with Fernando Rey and Francisco Rabal. The film was a winner of the prestigious Palme d'Or at the Cannes Film Festival. Despite the success and prestige of the film, it was rejected by the Spanish censorship and The Vatican, accusing her of blasphemy. The Spanish government ordered the film destroyed,.and only due to Pinal's intervention, who fled with a copy to Mexico, was the film saved from destruction.
So here's my argument: We have a Mexican lead actress, whose husband's Mexican production company helped produce the film, a director who had spent 15 years prior to this film in Mexico, a film that was banned and disowned in Spain for 17 years (the gov't went so far as to shut down the Spanish production companies), and a film that owes its survival to the fact that the lead actress fled with a copy of it to Mexico. Which seems Mexican enough for this challenge. :D

I would like to count it for this challenge, but I'm OK with the decision either way. :geek:

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Post by clemmetarey » February 2nd, 2018, 2:57 pm

I see. Thank you for your research, very interesting read!

Sorry, but I'm still not convinced. I sadly can't think of another example now, but I'm sure they've been other films banned in their original country, preserved in another and then autorised. I mean we're talking about Franco here, not a government I imagine open about art in general. Again, I'm not an expert but I'm certain they have been other spanish films censored or ordered destroyed that were saved by foreign actions. And I don't think that's enough to consider it to be from that foreign country.

Not denying the part Mexico played in helping making it, and then preserving it and making it available (which, by the way, was a good idea cos the film is great) but these are elements that took place after the making of the film. So we're back left to co-producing.

I hope that was clear enough. :sweat:

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Post by Ivan0716 » February 2nd, 2018, 3:17 pm

My fault for not knowing what rules you guys generally have regarding co-productions, so feel free to disregard that entry.

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Post by sortile9io » February 2nd, 2018, 4:35 pm

I think this discussion also came up in a past challenge, can't remember which one. Was it you sacmersault? My point then was that despite the role of Mexico as coproducer and eventual shelter, Viridiana is generally regarded a Spanish film. If you take a look at the 400+ iCM lists it is on, you will spot nearly all the Spanish plus a few European lists but none from Mexico or (strictly) Latin America.
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Post by sacmersault » February 2nd, 2018, 10:24 pm

sortile9io on Feb 2 2018, 09:35:28 AM wrote:I think this discussion also came up in a past challenge, can't remember which one. Was it you sacmersault? My point then was that despite the role of Mexico as coproducer and eventual shelter, Viridiana is generally regarded a Spanish film. If you take a look at the 400+ iCM lists it is on, you will spot nearly all the Spanish plus a few European lists but none from Mexico or (strictly) Latin America.
Yeah, I tried to argue that it was Mexican, but it was decided that it was more Spanish.

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Post by jeroeno » February 2nd, 2018, 10:27 pm

Well, these five all won the Ariel Award for Best Mexican Feature Film so they'll surely count:

1. Principio y fin (1993)
2. Mariana, Mariana (1987)
3. Pastorela (2011)
4. El Callejón de los Milagros (1995)
5. Rojo amanecer (1989) *recommended*

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