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Post by cinephage » February 6th, 2018, 8:55 am

01. Macario, by Roberto Gavaldon (1960) 8/10

A mexican fantastic tale. Very inventive and beautifully filmed.

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Post by cinewest » February 6th, 2018, 3:40 pm

RBG on Feb 5 2018, 06:35:32 PM wrote:
yeah gueros was really good and turned into something much different than i expected at the start. great debut from the director
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1. la niña santa (lucrecia martel 2004) - argentina
2. güeros (alonso ruizpalacios 2014) - mexico
3. hombre mirando al sudeste (eliseo subiela 1986) - argentina
Hombre Mirando Al Sudeste is one of my favorites to appear in the thread. There was a mediocre Hollywood remake (retooling) with Kevin Spacey, called K-Pax, but this original was one of my favorite films of the 80's, and the director (Eliseo Subiela) should be explored a lot more by cinephiles.

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Post by 3eyes » February 6th, 2018, 4:17 pm

cinewest on Feb 6 2018, 08:40:07 AM wrote:
RBG on Feb 5 2018, 06:35:32 PM wrote:
yeah gueros was really good and turned into something much different than i expected at the start. great debut from the director
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1. la niña santa (lucrecia martel 2004) - argentina
2. güeros (alonso ruizpalacios 2014) - mexico
3. hombre mirando al sudeste (eliseo subiela 1986) - argentina
Hombre Mirando Al Sudeste is one of my favorites to appear in the thread. There was a mediocre Hollywood remake (retooling) with Kevin Spacey, called K-Pax, but this original was one of my favorite films of the 80's, and the director (Eliseo Subiela) should be explored a lot more by cinephiles.
Old favorite of mine, too - bought the VHS tape.
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Post by sol » February 6th, 2018, 4:20 pm

1. Naked Tango (1990) Argentina

Pretty good thriller about an unhappily married woman who assumes the identity of deceased woman of similar age, only to find herself in even more of a predicament; the film is very well shot with lots of mobile, sweeping camerawork and atmospheric lighting, plus Thomas Newman's music score is expectedly divine. The tango fight scenes are well choreographed too... though I suppose they do not have the 'camp' value of the stiletto dances in Stiletto Dance.
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Post by 3eyes » February 6th, 2018, 4:49 pm

Here's the list I made of Latin American films I might watch which are streaming in the US on **Netflix or @amazon prime, in case anyone finds it useful. Of course it doesn't include stuff I've already seen or am not inclined to watch.
streaming USShow
2**Aquarius (Brazil 16, 146m) - TSP21, Cahiers10
**El botón de nácar / The pearl button (Chile 15, 82m, doc)
**El elegido / The chosen (Sp-Mex 16, 125m)
**Hoje Eu Quero Voltar Sozinho / The way he looks (Brazil 14, 96m)
**Nise: O Coração da Loucura / Nise: the heart of madness (Brazil 15, 106m)
**Salero (Bolivia/US, 76m)
**Saneamento Básico, O Filme (Brazil 07, 112m)
**O Último Cine Drive-in (Brazil 15, 100m)
**When two worlds collide (Peru/US/UK 16, 103m)

@El premio (Arg 11, 104m)
@Infancia clandestina /Clandestine childhood (Arg 11, 112m)
1@El violin (Mex 05, 98m) - CT
@Wakolda / The German doctor (Arg 13, 93m)
2 @Whisky (Uru 04, 99m) - TSP21, CT
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Post by Mate_cosido » February 6th, 2018, 6:44 pm

8. Whisky (2004, Juan Pablo Rebella, Pablo Stoll, Uruguay) 5.5/10

9. 7 cajas - 7 Boxes (2012, Juan Carlos Maneglia, Tana Schémbori, Paraguay) 6.5/10

10. Vidas Secas - Barren Lives (1963, Nelson Pereira dos Santos, Brazil) 7/10

11. La muralla verde - The Green Wall (1969, Armando Robles Godoy, Peru) 8/10

12. Cumbite (1964, Tomás Gutiérrez Alea, Cuba) 7/10
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1. La Tierra Prometida - The Promised Land (1973, Miguel Littin, Chile) 6/10

2. Tiburoneros - The Shark Hunters (1963, Luis Alcoriza, Mexico) 7/10

3. L'homme sur les quais - The Man by the Shore (1993, Raoul Peck, Haiti) 8/10

4. La última cena - The Last Supper (1976, Tomás Gutiérrez Alea, Cuba) 9/10

5. La tigra - The Tigress (1990, Camilo Luzuriaga, Ecuador) 5.5/10

6. El regalo de la Pachamama - The Gift of Pachamama (2008, Toshifumi Matsushita, Bolivia) 8/10

7. El último malón - The Last Indian Attack (1917, Alcides Greca, Argentina) 6.5/10

8. Whisky (2004, Juan Pablo Rebella, Pablo Stoll, Uruguay) 5.5/10

9. 7 cajas - 7 Boxes (2012, Juan Carlos Maneglia, Tana Schémbori, Paraguay) 6.5/10

10. Vidas Secas - Barren Lives (1963, Nelson Pereira dos Santos, Brazil) 7/10

11. La muralla verde - The Green Wall (1969, Armando Robles Godoy, Peru) 8/10

12. Cumbite (1964, Tomás Gutiérrez Alea, Cuba) 7/10

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Post by cinewest » February 6th, 2018, 6:58 pm

3eyes on Feb 6 2018, 09:49:32 AM wrote:Here's the list I made of Latin American films I might watch which are streaming in the US on **Netflix or @amazon prime, in case anyone finds it useful. Of course it doesn't include stuff I've already seen or am not inclined to watch.
streaming USShow
2**Aquarius (Brazil 16, 146m) - TSP21, Cahiers10
**El botón de nácar / The pearl button (Chile 15, 82m, doc)
**El elegido / The chosen (Sp-Mex 16, 125m)
**Hoje Eu Quero Voltar Sozinho / The way he looks (Brazil 14, 96m)
**Nise: O Coração da Loucura / Nise: the heart of madness (Brazil 15, 106m)
**Salero (Bolivia/US, 76m)
**Saneamento Básico, O Filme (Brazil 07, 112m)
**O Último Cine DElrive-in (Brazil 15, 100m)
**When two worlds collide (Peru/US/UK 16, 103m)

@El premio (Arg 11, 104m)
@Infancia clandestina /Clandestine childhood (Arg 11, 112m)
1@El violin (Mex 05, 98m) - CT
@Wakolda / The German doctor (Arg 13, 93m)
2 @Whisky (Uru 04, 99m) - TSP21, CT
El Boton de nacar is an excellent blend of the personal and factual documentary woven into a commentary about the history of Chile that is also quite poetic.

Aquarius- very good film about one person's ability to find the courage to be who she is as well as stand up for what she believes in, even as she is aging.... by one of the better new Brazilian filmmakers.

El Violin- a surprisingly excellent small film surrounding futility of a rebellion (of rural people / farmers) in an unnamed Latin American country.

Las Elegidas- discussed earlier.

As for Hombre Mirando Sudeste, I have written to criterion several times about trying to acquire the rights, as well as to a couple of other films by the director.
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Post by max-scl » February 6th, 2018, 8:19 pm

IMO Eliseo Subiela's movies suck. In general I hate using the word "prententious" to describe movies, but it applies too well to his films. Hombre mirando al sudeste is the best one I've seen from him though.

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Post by sacmersault » February 6th, 2018, 8:34 pm

lynchs on Feb 5 2018, 02:14:26 PM wrote:2. Rey (Niles Atallah, 2017)

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I've heard this movie is pretty good. What did you think?

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Post by Simba63 » February 6th, 2018, 11:12 pm

03. Redes (1936, Mexico) - 7/10
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Post by 72allinncallme » February 7th, 2018, 12:02 am

4. Jean Gentil (2010, Dominican Republic)
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1. 25 Watts (2001, Uruguay)
2. Yawar Mallku (1969, Bolivia)
3. La muerte de un burócrata (1966, Cuba)
4. Jean Gentil (2010, Dominican Republic)

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Post by frbrown » February 7th, 2018, 12:13 am

Not sure if this one qualifies?

0. El mariachi (1992)
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Post by Lilarcor » February 7th, 2018, 3:43 am

4. La mujer sin cabeza / The Headless Woman (Lucrecia Martel, 2008) 8/10 - Argentina

Possibly one of the greatest films made about privilege?
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1. 25 Watts (Juan Pablo Rebella & Pablo Stoll, 2001) 6/10 - Uruguay
2. Zona sur (Juan Carlos Valdivia, 2009) 6/10 - Bolivia
3. Ukamau / And So It Is (Jorge Sanjinés, 1966) 7/10 - Bolivia
4. La mujer sin cabeza / The Headless Woman (Lucrecia Martel, 2008) - Argentina

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Post by 3eyes » February 7th, 2018, 4:51 am

3. Il silencio de Neto (Guatemala 94)

Apparently this was Guatemala's first feature film. Absolutely lovely - set in the unrest of 1954 (US getting rid of the leftist government), child protagonist. 13th check, fave. (DVD)
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2. Nise: O Coração da Loucura / Nise: the heart of madness (Brazil 15)
3. Il silencio de Neto (Guatemala 94)
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Post by cinewest » February 7th, 2018, 5:32 am

Lilarcor on Feb 6 2018, 08:43:18 PM wrote:4. La mujer sin cabeza / The Headless Woman (Lucrecia Martel, 2008) 8/10 - Argentina

Possibly one of the greatest films made about privilege?
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1. 25 Watts (Juan Pablo Rebella & Pablo Stoll, 2001) 6/10 - Uruguay
2. Zona sur (Juan Carlos Valdivia, 2009) 6/10 - Bolivia
3. Ukamau / And So It Is (Jorge Sanjinés, 1966) 7/10 - Bolivia
4. La mujer sin cabeza / The Headless Woman (Lucrecia Martel, 2008) - Argentina
A great film (in my top 300), and unless you are a hyper critical grader, 8 out of 10 doesn't do it justice.

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Post by sacmersault » February 7th, 2018, 6:27 am

4. Espectro (2013, Mexico)
5. Las Elegidas (2015, Mexico)
6. Mala Mala (2014, Puerto Rico)
7. Tiempo Muerto (2016, Argentina)
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1. Una mujer fantastica (2017, Chile)
2. Rojo amanecer (1989, Mexico)
3. Almacenados (2015, Mexico

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Post by max-scl » February 7th, 2018, 6:46 am

7. Pampa Bárbara (1945, Fregonese & Demare) Argentina. A good Western that Fregonese remade years later in Hollywood.
8. El Che (1997, Di Salvo) Argentina. Boring film about el Che Guevara.
9. Heli (2013, Escalante) Mexico.
10. Las elegidas (2015, Pablos) Mexico. Good and depressing movie with great use of sound.


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1. Abrir puertas y ventanas (2011) ARG
2. El pacto de Adriana (2017) CHI
3. El ciudadano ilustre (2016) ARG
4. Desde allá (2015) VEN
5. Sol de Otoño (1996) ARG
6. La ciénaga (2001) ARG
7. Pampa Bárbara (1945) ARG
8. El Che (1997) ARG
9. Heli (2013) MEX
10. Las elegidas (2015) MEX

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Post by sacmersault » February 7th, 2018, 7:17 am

@max-scl Wow Heli and then Las Elegidas? Some depressing stuff there. If you're not Mexican I hope you won't get a worse image of us as those movies. hahahaha

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Post by cinewest » February 7th, 2018, 9:28 am

max-scl on Feb 6 2018, 01:19:35 PM wrote:IMO Eliseo Subiela's movies suck. In general I hate using the word "prententious" to describe movies, but it applies too well to his films. Hombre mirando al sudeste is the best one I've seen from him though.
Saying that a filmmaker's movies not only "suck," but are "pretentious" is either a lazy or dimwitted response.

What films have you seen by Subiela, and are you familiar with the movement in the arts, and cultural reference points that inspired him?

Or are those "pretentious" questions?

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Post by jeroeno » February 7th, 2018, 12:13 pm

Found two more Ariel winners:

15. Naufragio (1978) can't say i really enjoyed it, felt a little meh
16. Goitia, un dios para sí mismo (1989) for the second time this challenge i found myself a new favorite, it's going to be on my 500<400 list this year. a fantastic view in the tortured soul of mexican painter francisco goitia with great music. highly recommended

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Post by max-scl » February 7th, 2018, 3:58 pm

sacmersault on Feb 7 2018, 12:17:09 AM wrote:@max-scl Wow Heli and then Las Elegidas? Some depressing stuff there. If you're not Mexican I hope you won't get a worse image of us as those movies. hahahaha
It certainly makes you think things about the country, but I know how to not let those things make a generalization about Mexico in my mind.
Although I do get a worse image about the current cinematic landscape of Latin America. Not because the movies are bad, It's just that the filmmakers are kind of obsessed with showing some violence and other sordid elements of our societies because they are liked in the European festivals.
cinewest on wrote:Saying that a filmmaker's movies not only "suck," but are "pretentious" is either a lazy or dimwitted response.

What films have you seen by Subiela, and are you familiar with the movement in the arts, and cultural reference points that inspired him?

Or are those "pretentious" questions?
Sorry I offended you by calling pretentious one of your favorite auteurs.
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Post by sacmersault » February 7th, 2018, 9:17 pm

max-scl on Feb 7 2018, 08:58:32 AM wrote:
sacmersault on Feb 7 2018, 12:17:09 AM wrote:@max-scl Wow Heli and then Las Elegidas? Some depressing stuff there. If you're not Mexican I hope you won't get a worse image of us as those movies. hahahaha
It certainly makes you think things about the country, but I know how to not let those things make a generalization about Mexico in my mind.
Although I do get a worse image about the current cinematic landscape of Latin America. Not because the movies are bad, It's just that the filmmakers are kind of obsessed with showing some violence and other sordid elements of our societies because they are liked in the European festivals.

I completely agree with you. All "artistic" or internationally recognized filmmakers from Mexico are obsessed with only showing that side of Mexico. Tempestad the doc that Mexico sent to the Oscars is very good but also deals with violence. La libertad del diablo is another amazing doc but also about violence. And I can name a lot that go that route. And Euro & American festivals eat them up. They love them.

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Post by Simba63 » February 7th, 2018, 11:14 pm

04. Memories of Underdevelopment (1968, Cuba) - 7/10

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Post by 72allinncallme » February 7th, 2018, 11:34 pm

5. O Pagador de Promessas (1962, Brazil)
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1. 25 Watts (2001, Uruguay)
2. Yawar Mallku (1969, Bolivia)
3. La muerte de un burócrata (1966, Cuba)
4. Jean Gentil (2010, Dominican Republic)
5. O Pagador de Promessas (1962, Brazil)

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Post by sacmersault » February 8th, 2018, 5:28 am

8. Rehenes (2018, Peru/Chile)
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1. Una mujer fantastica (2017, Chile)
2. Rojo amanecer (1989, Mexico)
3. Almacenados (2015, Mexico)
4. Espectro (2013, Mexico)
5. Las Elegidas (2015, Mexico)
6. Mala Mala (2014, Puerto Rico)
7. Tiempo Muerto (2016, Argentina)

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Post by RBG » February 8th, 2018, 8:46 am

cinewest on Feb 6 2018, 08:40:07 AM wrote:
RBG on Feb 5 2018, 06:35:32 PM wrote:
yeah gueros was really good and turned into something much different than i expected at the start. great debut from the director
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1. la niña santa (lucrecia martel 2004) - argentina
2. güeros (alonso ruizpalacios 2014) - mexico
3. hombre mirando al sudeste (eliseo subiela 1986) - argentina
Hombre Mirando Al Sudeste is one of my favorites to appear in the thread. There was a mediocre Hollywood remake (retooling) with Kevin Spacey, called K-Pax, but this original was one of my favorite films of the 80's, and the director (Eliseo Subiela) should be explored a lot more by cinephiles.
i wasn't crazy about it tbh. glad i never saw k-pax :lol:
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Post by clemmetarey » February 8th, 2018, 2:03 pm

5. Deus e o Diabo na Terra do Sol (1964, Brazil) 5/10
This is my second Glauber Rocha film (the other one is Terra em Transe (1967)), both of them were well made and write, but something just don't click with me.

6. À Meia Noite Levarei Sua Alma (1964) 6/10

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1. La Ciénaga (2001, Argentina) 6/10
2. Histórias que Só Existem Quando Lembradas (2011, Brazil) 7/10
3. 25 Watts (2001, Uruguay) 5/10
4. Abismos de pasión (1953, Mexico) 5/10
5. Deus e o Diabo na Terra do Sol (1964, Brazil) 5/10
6. À Meia Noite Levarei Sua Alma (1964) 6/10

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Post by clemmetarey » February 8th, 2018, 2:05 pm

frbrown on Feb 6 2018, 05:13:07 PM wrote:Not sure if this one qualifies?

1. El mariachi (1992)
I see why it could qualifies, but IMDb only lists it as USA, so I'm afraid I can't allow it.

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Post by Mate_cosido » February 8th, 2018, 7:11 pm

So, would a Quebecois film count?

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Post by cinewest » February 8th, 2018, 7:44 pm

Reviewing the lists, I notice that several distinctive gems haven't been named, yet, and as they deserve a little more appreciation, as well as more viewers, I'd like to recommend 15:


From Mexico,

Cabeza De Vaca- an amazing historical film built around the journals of a Spanish Conquistador, whose experiences not only provide a refection on the nature of European engagement with Native Americans, but summarize its tragedy. Every bit as good as Aguirre, Wrath Of God, and in some ways a companion piece.

Silent light (or Post Tenebras Lux-) Two very interesting and very different windows onto rural Mexican communities by one of todays leading arthouse filmmakers.

Los Olvidados- an absolute classic from Luis Bunuel


Colombia:

Wind Journeys- from the director of Embrace of The Serpent, and perhaps a film I even enjoyed more


Argentina:

Wild Tales- Some dark comedy, here, that was as hilarious as anything I have seen for years.

Jauja- My favorite film from another of Latin America's leading arthouse directors

Dark Side Of The Heart (or Last Images Of Shipwreck) from Eliseo Subiela

Blood Appears- an accidental discovery that is still very memorable


Chile:

Night Across The Street- the last film by Raul Ruiz, and my favorite of his, so far.

Nostalgia For The Light- One of Latin America's greatest documentary filmmakers


Brazil:

Bye Bye Brazil- Great road movie in Brazil that catches certain time period

To The Left Of Father- a one of a kind film (rural / gothic) with amazing imagery

Behind The Sun (or Foreign Land)- two very good ones from Walter Salles

Kiss Of The Spider Woman- a very different film from the director of Pixote

Playing- fantastic documentary from Eduardo Coutinho, who is a filmmaker I want to explore more
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Post by RBG » February 8th, 2018, 9:12 pm

Mate_cosido on Feb 8 2018, 12:11:41 PM wrote:So, would a Quebecois film count?
??
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Post by RBG » February 8th, 2018, 9:14 pm

also i'll put in a plug for historias extraordinarias! since i can't use it in the cup :/

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/his ... rdinarias/
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Post by jdidaco » February 8th, 2018, 9:45 pm

3. Cada quién su vida (To Each His Life, Julio Bracho, 1960) 8/10
4. Magueyes (Rubén Gámez, 1962) 9/10 (9 min), Historia de un ballet (The Story of a Ballet, José Massip, 1962) 8/10 (26 min), Ociel del Toa (Nicolás Guillén Landrián, 1965) 8/10 (16 min), Lavra Dor (Paulo Rufino, 1968) 10/10 (11 min) (Total: 62 min)
5. Meu Nome é Tonho (My Name Is Tonho, Ozualdo Ribeiro Candeias, 1969) 9.5/10


The art of Cuban posters,

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1. El otro Cristóbal (The Other Christopher, Armand Gatti, 1963) 9.5/10
2. La chica del lunes (Monday's Child, Leopoldo Torre Nilsson, 1967) 8/10
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Post by Mate_cosido » February 8th, 2018, 9:58 pm

RBG on Feb 8 2018, 02:12:28 PM wrote:
Mate_cosido on Feb 8 2018, 12:11:41 PM wrote:So, would a Quebecois film count?
??
Yeah sorry i looked it up, and aparently the most common acception of the term excludes Quebec, i just asume that as a linguistic grouping it would inlude Quebec, and i think that was how they teach me in school

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Post by sortile9io » February 8th, 2018, 10:36 pm

1. Image Los muertos (Alonso, 2004) - 7/10
2. Image Crepúsculo (Bracho, 1945) - 8/10
3. Image O bandido da Luz Vermelha (Sganzeria, 1968) - 4/10
4. Image Un hombre de éxito (Solás, 1986) - 8/10

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Post by cinewest » February 9th, 2018, 3:29 am

RBG on Feb 8 2018, 02:14:09 PM wrote:also i'll put in a plug for historias extraordinarias! since i can't use it in the cup :/

https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/his ... rdinarias/
That one is high on my list to see, but not easy to get hold of

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Post by psychotronicbeatnik » February 9th, 2018, 4:21 am

Olé:
1. Santo el Enmascarado de Plata vs La Invasion de los Marcianos (1967, Mexico) Alfredo B. Crevanna / Rating: 8
2. The Brainiac (1961, Mexico) Chano Urueta / Rating: 7+

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Post by max-scl » February 9th, 2018, 5:51 am

11. Pequeños Milagros (1997, Subiela) Argentina.
12. Esperando al Mesías (2000, Burman) Argentina.

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1. Abrir puertas y ventanas (2011) ARG
2. El pacto de Adriana (2017) CHI
3. El ciudadano ilustre (2016) ARG
4. Desde allá (2015) VEN
5. Sol de Otoño (1996) ARG
6. La ciénaga (2001) ARG
7. Pampa Bárbara (1945) ARG
8. El Che (1997) ARG
9. Heli (2013) MEX
10. Las elegidas (2015) MEX
11. Pequeños Milagros (1997) ARG
12. Esperando al Mesías (2000) ARG

Argentina: 8
Mexico: 2
Chile:1
Venezuela:1

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Post by Straka » February 9th, 2018, 10:56 am

1. El azote (José Celestino Campusano, 2017, Arg) - Campusano definitely portrays a different side of Argentina. This story follows a youth worker that tries to balance his work with his personal life against the (social) backdrop of the rural south of Argentina.
2. La torre (Sebastián Múnera, 2017, Col) - Contemplative look at a library in decline in Medellin.
3. Los versos del olvido (Alireza Khatami, 2017, Chili) - Iranian filmmaker Khatami went to Chili to make this film about a caretaker at a cemetery.
4. El hombre que cuida (Alejandro Andújar, 2017, DomRep) - The current state of the Dominican Republic boiled down to the relation between the caretaker of a vacation home and his employers.

1,3 and 4 I would recommend to see. I think La torre will not be for everyone.

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Post by Ivan0716 » February 9th, 2018, 4:09 pm

1. Macario (1960, Mexico) - 8/10

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