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The 5th edition of our forum's Festival is almost here! I hope most of you know by now what it is about and how it works. The festival highlights great movies that have somehow slipped under the radar, this time from the 2018 - 2021 window. The festival is divided up in sections that focus on topics that are regularly overlooked by the mainstream, but at the heart there is always the "Main Slate", that should contain the best of the fest.

From the very start of the year our programmers have been searching out movies and watching each others nominations. St. Gloede, xianjiro, Fergenaprido, filmbantha, zzzorf, kingink and myself were like an unstoppable train that just kept going. So I feel we'll deliver the most solid selection so far in our festival's history. But first comes that time we call in the jury!

this thread is an open invite to anyone who wants to be on the official festival jury this year


Before the programmers make their final choices from well over a hundred movies that passed our collective judgement, we invite all people who want to participate in the festival and can commit to watching the Main Slate of 10 movies + one other section of 4 movies, to sign up to the jury. In return for this commitment you can choose amongst you from the 33 movies that we have rated most highly what movies will end up on that Main Slate.

There was one movie that we were already unanimously floored by, and we decided that it should be a centerpiece! This is the amazing Canadian feature The 20th Century. So that leaves 9 spaces for the jury to fill

What does a juror do?

- An official juror commits to watching the Main Slate, and at least one other section
- They have a say in creating the Main Slate from the below list of titles that are the very best from what the programmers have found
- They have the month of October to sign up as a juror in this thread and decide together on the 9 slots to fill
- This can be by discussion, voting or otherwise. Selections can be made on how much you liked what you already saw, how much you'd like to see a movie, or other criteria of your choosing: make the Slate as attractive as possible for all participants.
- During the festival they watch and discuss movies along with everybody else, although they could also work ahead a bit if they want before the festival has started
- After the festival they present their winners of the mainslate and each section, with as much or as little fanfare as they choose (but a small jury report would be a fun thing to add?).

NB.
- We have established as a rule over time that any casual participant who enjoys the festival and has watched a complete section automatically becomes an unofficial juror on that section.
- There are 9 separate sections next to the Main Slate, each containing 4 films. They are Animation, Arthouse, Asia+Africa, Latin America, English Language Independant, LGBTQ, Documentary, "Just Before Dawn" and Europe. Last year 4 films turned out to be hitting a sweetspot, but we have gathered a lot more movies to choose from ánd might want to highlight certain aspects that felt remarkable to us. There are some ideas for this but it is still tbd in what shape or form it is going to work out (an added movie to a certain section, a special sidebar maybe... or maybe not).

The festival will be held over the period of a four weeks from Monday 15 November until Monday 13 December


So the window between the end of October and the beginning of the festival isn't that big. Please take your time and it is not to late to sign up even if you are reading this only for the first time while October is already well underway... but... the sooner there is a consensus on the mainslate from the jurors, the sooner the programmers can fill in the other sections and full promoting of the festival can get underway, so don't feel obliged to wait until the entire month has gone ;) I will be keeping an eye on this thread, and if voting on the movies for the Slate is happening in another way or another place, I hope to get notified when there is a final selection made.

In my next post I'll present a list of 33 titles we created for the jurors to select their preferred and ideal festival Main Slate from.

We hope you're already as excited for the festival as we have been making our selections
Please join along by signing up as a juror
and mark the festival dates on your calendars!!
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1
4x4
2019
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt8561690/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/4x4-2019/
Dawn, LatAm

2
A Sun (Yangguang puzhao)
2019
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10883506/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/yangguang+puzhao/
AsAf

3
Aniara
2018
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7589524/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/aniara-2018/
Euro

4
Anything for Jackson
2020
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt12137964/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/any ... r+jackson/
Dawn

5
Beanpole (Dylda)
2019
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10199640/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/dylda/
Euro

6
Brothers' Nest
2018
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt7263664/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/brothers+nest/
Dawn, Indie

7
Disclosure: Trans Live on Screen
2020
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8637504/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/dis ... on+screen/
Doc, LGBTQ

8
Echo (Bergmál)
2019
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9296808/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/bergmal/
Art, Euro

9
End of the century (Fin de siglo)
2019
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9845398/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/fin+de+siglo-2019/
LGBTQ

10
Fanny Lye Deliver'd
2019
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5686112/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/fanny+lye+deliverd/
Dawn, Indie

11
I'm No Longer Here (Ya no estoy aqui)
2019
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4323594/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/ya+no+estoy+aqui/
LatAm

12
In the Aisles (Liebe in den Gängen)
2018
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6263618
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/in+den+gangen/
Euro

13
Jinpa (Zhuang si le yi zhi yang)
2018
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8836292/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/zhu ... +zhi+yang/
AsAf

14
Leap of Faith: William Friedkin on The Exorcist
2019
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10681070/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/lea ... +exorcist/
Dawn, Doc

15
Obscuro Barroco
2018
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7755520/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/obscuro+barroco/
Art, Doc, LGBTQ, LatAm

16
Pity (Oiktos)
2018
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6746304/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/oiktos/
Euro

17
Promare (Promare: Puromea)
2019
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9116358/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/promare+puromea/
Anim, Dawn

18
Rent-A-Pal
2020
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12274228/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/rent-a-pal/
Dawn, Indie

19
S He
2018
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8856172/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/s+he/
Anim, Art, AsAf

20
Song without a name (Cancion sin nombre)
2019
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1824932/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/cancion+sin+nombre/
Art, LatAm

21
Sorry Angel (Plaire, aimer et courir vite)
2018
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7534054/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/pla ... urir+vite/
LGBTQ, Euro

22
Sun Children (Khorshid)
2020
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11767722/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/khorshid-2020/
AsAf

23
Supa Modo
2018
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7772412/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/supa+modo/
AsAf

24
Tale of Three Sisters (Kız Kardeşler)
2019
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9418878/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/kiz+kardesler/
AsAf

25
The Hidden City (La ciudad oculta)
2018
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9303764/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/la+ ... ulta-2018/
Art, Doc

26
The Swallows of Kabul (Les hirondelles de Kaboul)
2019
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7534102/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/les ... de+kaboul/
Anim

27
There is No Evil (Sheytan vojud nadarad)
2020
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11697844/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/she ... d+nadarad/
Art, AsAf

28
This Is Not a Burial, It's a Resurrection
2019
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10849514/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/thi ... urrection/
Art, AsAf

29
This is not Berlin (Esto no es Berlin)
2019
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7666724
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/esto+no+es+berlin/
LGBTQ, LatAm

30
True History of the Kelly Gang
2019
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4844140/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/tru ... elly+gang/
Indie

31
Valley of Souls (Tantas Almas)
2019
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt9619150/
https://icheckmovies.com/movies/tantas+almas/
LatAm

32
Why Don't You Just Die? (Papa, Sdokhni)
2018
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7672068/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/papa+sdokhni/
Dawn

33
Youth (Dhalinyaro)
2018
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12167458/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/dhalinyaro/
AsAf

EDIT:
34
Crystal Swan (Khrustal)
2018
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6835498/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/khrustal/
Euro
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Had a fun time last year, would gladly be a juror again.

Edit: Made a LB list of the lineup here, for anyone interested.
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first in!
nice! cool to have you back
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Oh it is that time of the year again !!

I am in of course.
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another veteran, the jury is already in good hands ;)
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In again for Dawn, always excited to see the selections and it has seemed like you’ve all been busy this year (especially considering how quiet it was last year).
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mightysparks wrote: September 28th, 2021, 10:27 pm it has seemed like you’ve all been busy this year
More engagement than I ever could have imagined for sure.

Mini stats:

- A total of 173 films were nominated
- In average each programmer watched 92 films
- 148 films were seen by at least 3 programmers
- Only 8 films were left with a single vote (mainly due to unavailability)

These numbers are also not counting the possibly hundreds of additional films that were explored specifically for the purposes of the festival, but ended up not being nominated.

The original call from Beavis was to try to watch 1 nominee per month :lol:

A big cheers and thank you to all involved :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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mightysparks wrote: September 28th, 2021, 10:27 pm In again for Dawn, always excited to see the selections and it has seemed like you’ve all been busy this year (especially considering how quiet it was last year).
Good to see you here again
There are a lot of strong "Dawn" options for the mainslate too, we have two new programmers who are very much on point in that area!
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A point of note for the jury:
We are hoping to record a podcast about the festival on the weekend of the 16th to be ready for release at the time of the festival. If it is at all posible to have the Main Slate selected before the 16th, that would allow our talk to be much more specific and consise.... I do not want to rush anybody or keep people from joining the jury later on, but looking at the process in past years I feel this might be doable... so it can't hurt to ask ;)

EDIT: news just in that the recording will (probably) be on the weekend after that... so no rush at all, pfew :)
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beavis wrote: September 29th, 2021, 5:34 am
mightysparks wrote: September 28th, 2021, 10:27 pm In again for Dawn, always excited to see the selections and it has seemed like you’ve all been busy this year (especially considering how quiet it was last year).
Good to see you here again
There are a lot of strong "Dawn" options for the mainslate too, we have two new programmers who are very much on point in that area!
Yeah very surprised to see Anything For Jackson (one of my faves this year thanks to filmbantha), Brothers Nest and Rent-A-Pal in there (only saw those because of filmbantha too lol).
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More breaking news :)

A very last minute qualifyer came in late last night (my time) that we didn't want to keep from the jurors. I already editted the post with all the films, but here is the aditional info aswell:
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Crystal Swan (Khrustal)
2018
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6835498/
https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/khrustal/
Euro
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I'm pleased to see there's one film that fits in my narrowest niche (2 films seen so far).
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I am in

I ended up watching the main slate and two or three sections last year, so why not make it official.
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Cool!

And indeed, anybody thinking of watching the main slate during the festival should consider signing up, there is not much more "work" needed besides that, especially when there is a larger pool of people...
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In!

Are we figuring out our own voting system for picking the main slate? Or is there a set system? (How did we do it last year, again?)

Only 2 films on the list I've already seen, which is nice. Many more I've never heard of, and excited to discover.

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good!
I leave it up to you just like last time. It seems there was a preferred method of voting...
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We did some ranked choice voting last time around. Seems more expedient than a vaguer "let's discuss it and come to a consensus" which would work IRL but takes much more time on a forum.
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Was it 1-10?

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outdoorcats wrote: September 29th, 2021, 9:27 pm Was it 1-10?
We used following system to avoid biais from 1-10 ratings:

Your interest to have the nominees below part of main slate?
High (H): 4 points Max: 6 picks
Medium (M): 2 points Max: 9 picks
Low (L): 1 point Max: 9 picks
None (leave blank): 0 point No Max

The films with highest points qualified (out of 36), ties were resolved with highest number of High votes.

It worked well I think so we could make it easy and replicate for this year.
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hurluberlu wrote: September 30th, 2021, 5:56 pm
outdoorcats wrote: September 29th, 2021, 9:27 pm Was it 1-10?
We used following system to avoid biais from 1-10 ratings:

Your interest to have the nominees below part of main slate?
High (H): 4 points Max: 6 picks
Medium (M): 2 points Max: 9 picks
Low (L): 1 point Max: 9 picks
None (leave blank): 0 point No Max

The films with highest points qualified (out of 36), ties were resolved with highest number of High votes.

It worked well I think so we could make it easy and replicate for this year.
Sounds good. :cheers:

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I have created a Google spreadsheet to fill in our votes, let me know if any issue !
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and they're off ...

where do we place our bets?
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I'm in, I've already added my votes to the spreadsheet
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Added my votes. I ranked them all in order of interest based on the IMDb plot summary and assigned accordingly. Only around 3-4 that I had zero interest in and surprisingly a lot I had already watchlisted.
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Thanks hurluberlu!
edit: done

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I have updated the spreadsheet as well
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I did my duty too: I look forward to what seems to be a really strong selection ! Good job programmers !
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Also welcome pitchorneirda!

Six jurors at the moment. I hope for at least 3 more, so anyone slightly in doubt I hope you'll join for the fun afterall
Otherwise it might turn out that some slates will be... hard to judge... :) But I'm sure we'll get some enthusiastic participation anyway!

hear ye, hear ye: be the first to see movies that'll end up on next years 500<400 list :) / join the jury, be a trooper! /
sign up quick, before the mainslate is already decided on... / (insert your own rallying slogan here)
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I already mentioned this to Tom/filmbantha, but the thing that is keeping me back from signing on is all of the very long films that could be in the main slate and which do not appeal to me at all. I don't mind adding my votes in and participating if one or two films that I don't want to see is main slated, but if five or more are, I would want to have the option of pulling out - which I don't think is indeed an option, unless I'm mistaken?
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sol wrote: October 4th, 2021, 7:05 am I already mentioned this to Tom/filmbantha, but the thing that is keeping me back from signing on is all of the very long films that could be in the main slate and which do not appeal to me at all. I don't mind adding my votes in and participating if one or two films that I don't want to see is main slated, but if five or more are, I would want to have the option of pulling out - which I don't think is indeed an option, unless I'm mistaken?
I just had a look through the list and only 7 movies are over 2 hrs and only about half of them look like they are making it to the main slate if I'm reading the spreadsheet properly so I don't think you have much to worry about in that sense. The beauty about being a jury member though is basically you can start watching them now so basically you have 2 months to watch the 10 main slate movies and the 4 movies from your chosen slate. The Horror selections would fit nicely into the challenge this month for you and I figure with how many movies that a lot of us fit in a month that 14 movies in two months is a relatively easy feat. Honestly if I wasn't already a programmer I may have signed up as a juror, I can honestly say that the majority of movies we have found this year are easy future 500<400 and DTC candidates (some already have even done so) and there are a lot of movies there that may not seem good until you watch them, that has happened to me a lot in my programming experience this year.
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sol wrote: October 4th, 2021, 7:05 am I already mentioned this to Tom/filmbantha, but the thing that is keeping me back from signing on is all of the very long films that could be in the main slate and which do not appeal to me at all. I don't mind adding my votes in and participating if one or two films that I don't want to see is main slated, but if five or more are, I would want to have the option of pulling out - which I don't think is indeed an option, unless I'm mistaken?
I went through the films now, and I only see 2-5 relatively long films among the options, with A Sun and There is No Evil being the longest, clocking in at 156 and 151 minutes respectively. Lengthwise this is followed by Valley of Souls at 137 minutes, Sorry Angel at 132 minutes and Beanpole at 130 minutes.

The average runtime across all the 34 candidates for the main slate is only 105 minutes, and there are more films below the 90-minute mark (8) and above the 2-hour mark (7), the remaining 19 films are between 90 and 120 minutes.

The shortest films are Obscuro Barroco, Supa Modo and Echo at 59, 74 and 79 minutes.
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Haha, great mind, zzzorf, great minds!
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Just to be clear guys, the runtime thing wasn't meant as a complaint. I was just trying to explain why I haven't signed up this year despite participating in previous years and receiving a direct invitation this year to participate. I appreciated being asked and I will think about it. :)
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sol wrote: October 5th, 2021, 7:04 am Just to be clear guys, the runtime thing wasn't meant as a complaint. I was just trying to explain why I haven't signed up this year despite participating in previous years and receiving a direct invitation this year to participate. I appreciated being asked and I will think about it. :)
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Cheers, and no worries. You can also always join in as a juror after the votes are cast or even after the festival starts. Anyone who watches all the films of a slate is automatically a juror. Signing up early just means that you make a clearer commitment and that you have a vote on the main slate.
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Assuming we don't get another juror, we've got:

Dylda / Beanpole - 16
La ciudad oculta / The Hidden City - 16
This Is Not a Burial, It's a Resurrection - 15
Zhuang si le yi zhi yang / Jinpa - 14
Sheytan vojud nadarad / There Is No Evil - 14
Bergmal / Echo - 13
Aniara - 12
Promare - 12

S He - 11
Cancion sin nombre / Song Without a Name - 11

That's 8 or 10 films, depending on what we prefer. Thoughts?
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I think it should be 9 :)
could you pick a way to choose between the two options for the 9th slot?
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I would suggest going for the film that gathered the most votes/interest but that would be Song Without a Name and I'm the only one that didn't show interest lol :P So instead it could be the film with the most 'high' votes :whistling:

Also it seems I gave a high or medium vote to the other 8 films in the lineup so seems pretty solid and interesting to me :poshclap:
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Might be worth considering the impact on other slates, especially since we're already taking an animated film with Promare, and I only see one other animated film on the list (Les hirondelles de Kaboul), which would be a point in Cancion sin nombre's favor.
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Film with highest H votes is how we broke ties last year and what I indicated in my post above with the methodology.

I don’t think an animation category with only two films would be meaningful anyway.
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