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Alfred Hitchcock

Films with way too many winks and nudges. Everything gets explained to the last detail, the pacing of Hitchcock's films is terrible slow and visually they are quite dreadful, especially when he embraces fakeness.

01. 1.5* - Rope
02. 1.5* - The Trouble with Harry
03. 1.5* - Shadow of a Doubt
04. 1.5* - The 39 Steps
05. 1.5* - Rear Window
06. 1.0* - Psycho
07. 1.0* - Strangers on a Train
08. 1.0* - Lifeboat
09. 1.0* - Vertigo
10. 1.0* - Dial M for Murder
11. 1.0* - Rebecca
12. 1.0* - The Birds
13. 0.5* - Notorious
14. 0.5* - North by Northwest
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Not seen most of these in years, and with a few exceptions, most have only been seen once, so hard to say how "accurate" this is.

1. Vertigo (1958) 9.5
2. Notorious (1946) 9
3. Rear Window (1954)
4. The Wrong Man (1956)
5. Spellbound (1945) 8.5
6. The Birds (1963)
7. Psycho (1960)
8. Shadow of a Doubt (1943)
9. Frenzy (1972) 8
10. Foreign Correspondent (1940)
11. Strangers on a Train (1951)
12. North by Northwest (1959)
13. Under Capricorn (1949)
14. Sabotage (1936)
15. Rope (1948)
16. Rebecca (1940)
17. Stage Fright (1950)
18. Lifeboat (1944)
19. The Lady Vanishes (1938)
20. Saboteur (1942) 7.5
21. To Catch a Thief (1955)
22. The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog (1927)
23. Jamaica Inn (1939)
24. The Manxman (1929)
25. Suspicion (1941)
26. The 39 Steps (1935)
27. Blackmail (1929) 7
28. Secret Agent (1936)
29. The Man Who Knew Too Much (1934) 6.5
30. Topaz (1969) 6.0
31. The Paradine Case (1947)
32. Torn Curtain (1966)
33. Marnie (1964)
34. Dial M for Murder (1954)
35. Family Plot (1976) 5
36. Young and Innocent (1937)
37. The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956)
38. The Trouble with Harry (1955)
39. I Confess (1953)
40. Murder! (1930) 4
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Jacques Rivette
Seen:6, average rating: 7.4

1. Céline et Julie vont en bateau: Phantom Ladies Over Paris [Celine and Julie Go Boating] (1974): 8.2
2. Jeanne la Pucelle I - Les batailles [Joan the Maid 1.: The Battles] (1994): 7.8
3. Jeanne la Pucelle II - Les prisons [Joan the Maid 2.: The Prisons] (1994): 7.8
4. La Religieuse [The Nun] (1966): 7.5
5. La Bande des quatre [The Gang of Four] (1988): 7.5
6. Duelle (une quarantaine) (1976): 5.5


Alfred Hitchcock
Seen: 32, average rating; 7.4

1. Psycho (1960): 9.5
2. Rear Window (1954): 9.0
3. Strangers on a Train (1951): 8.8
4. North by Northwest (1959): 8.8
5. Vertigo (1958): 8.5

6. Dial M for Murder (1954): 8.0
7. Shadow of a Doubt (1943): 8.0
8. Rope (1948): 8.0
9 The 39 Steps (1935): 8.0
10. The Man Who Knew Too Much (1934): 8.0
11. Lifeboat (1944): 8.0
12. Rebecca (1940): 8.0

13. The Trouble with Harry (1955): 7.5
14. Notorious (1946): 7.5
15. Suspicion: 7.5
16. Jamaica Inn (1939): 7.5
17. The Birds (1963): 7.5
18. Foreign Correspondent (1940): 7.5
19. I Confess (1953): 7.5

20. Young and Innocent (1937): 7.2
21. The Lady Vanishes (1938): 7.0
22. Frenzy (1972): 7.0
23. The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956): 7.0
24. The Wrong Man (1956): 7.0
25. Sabotage (1936): 7.0

26. Family Plot (1976): 6.8
27. To Catch a Thief (1955): 6.5
28. Marnie (1964): 6.2
29. Secret Agent (1936): 6.2
30. Topaz (1969): 6.0

31. Torn Curtain (1966): 5.8
32. The Lodger (1927): 5.5
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Hsiao-Hsien Hou
Seen: 12, averager rating: 8.3

1. Nie yin niang [The Assassin] (2015): 9.5
2. Tong nien wang shi [A Time to Live, a Time to Die] (1985): 9.5
3. Lianlian fengchen [Dust in the Wind] (1986): 9.5
4. Kôhî jikô [Café Lumière] (2003): 9.0
5. Le Voyage du ballon rouge [Flight of the Red Balloon] (2007): 8.5
6. Qian xi man po [Millennium Mambo] (2001): 8.0
7. Feng gui lai de ren [The Boys from Fengkuei] (1983): 8.0
8. Ni luo he nu er [Daughter of the Nile] (1987): 8.0
9. Jiu shi liu liu de ta [Cute Gir] (1980): 7.8
10. Zui hao de shi guang [Three Times] (2005): 7.0
11. Bei qing cheng shi [A City of Sadness] (1989): 7.0
12. Zai na he pan qing cao qing [The Green, Green Grass of Home] (1983): 6.2
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HITCH

One of my first favorites, dating back to the late 1980s, and of course one of the old dead directors whose works were easiest to see in those early video days - and many of them showed up on the big screen as well. He's too inconsistent to be in my absolute top tier anymore but he's certainly strong in the second tier, and I think I've probably spent more hours watching Hitchcock films than any other director's work. And I've seen more features from him than anyone else except Roger Corman.

I won't bother trying to remember which ones I saw in the cinema this time, but I will mark + those I've seen more than once, and bold the ones where I'm fairly sure of my assessment; a great many of these I haven't seen in decades so who knows? Marnie in particular seems to be evaluated pretty highly by a lot of people so I'm sure that's one that I ought to give another chance. But most of the ones near the bottom that aren't bolded are barely remembered, and thus the rank fairly meaningless below, say. 39.

TIP TOP TIER
1. Vertigo (top 5 all-time) +

JUST BELOW TIP TOP TIER
2. Rear Window+
3. The Birds+
4. Shadow of a Doubt+

EXCELLENT
5. Strangers on a Train+
6. Blackmail+
7. Notorious+
8. North by Northwest+
9. The Wrong Man
10. Frenzy+
11. Rebecca
12. Psycho+
13. The 39 Steps+

VERY GOOD
14. Foreign Correspondent+
15. Saboteur+
16. Suspicion+
17. The Lady Vanishes+
18. Sabotage
19. The Man Who Knew Too Much (1934)+
20. The Pleasure Garden
21. Rope+
22. Number 17
23. The Skin Game
24. The Lodger+
25. The Ring
26. The Trouble With Harry+
27. Spellbound

GOOD, WORTH SEEING
28. To Catch a Thief+
29. The Manxman
30. Dial M for Murder
31. I Confess
32. Downhill
33. Stage Fright
34. Family Plot+
35. The Farmer's Wife
36. Easy Virtue
37. Young and Innocent
38. Aventure malgache
39. Rich and Strange
40. Lifeboat+
41. The Paradine Case

OK, BORDERLINE
42. The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956)+
43. Mr. & Mrs. Smith
44. Marnie
45. Under Capricorn
46. Secret Agent
47. Murder!
48. Jamaica Inn
49. Torn Curtain+
50. Champagne

NOT GOOD
51. Topaz
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10/10
Psycho (1960)

9/10
North by Northwest (1959)
Strangers on a Train (1951)
Vertigo (1958)

8/10
Rebecca (1940)
The 39 Steps (1935)
The Lady Vanishes (1938)
Shadow of a Doubt (1943)
Rear Window (1954)
The Birds (1963)
Rope (1948)

7/10
Notorious (1946)
To Catch a Thief (1955)
Blackmail (1929)
Marnie (1964)
The Wrong Man (1956)
The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956)
Suspicion (1941)
The Trouble with Harry (1955)
Dial M for Murder (1954)

6/10
Frenzy (1972)
Foreign Correspondent (1940)
The Paradine Case (1947)
I Confess (1953)
Lifeboat (1944)

5/10
The Lodger (1927)
Spellbound (1945)
Topaz (1969)

4/10
Sabotage (1936)
The Man Who Knew Too Much (1934)
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Hitch is the director I've seen the most films from, 26/54 (almost 50%). Consequently, he's also the director with the most films that I want to rewatch (marked with an * below).

01. 8.2 - Dial M for Murder (1954)*
02. 8.2 - The Lady Vanishes (1938)*
03. 8.2 - Lifeboat (1944)*
04. 8.0 - Rope (1948)*
05. 8.0 - Strangers on a Train (1951)*
06. 7.8 - Psycho (1960)
07. 7.8 - Saboteur (1942)
08. 7.8 - Rear Window (1954)*
09. 7.8 - The 39 Steps (1935)*
10. 7.8 - Shadow of a Doubt (1943)
11. 7.8 - Notorious (1946)
12. 7.8 - Spellbound (1945)
13. 7.6 - Sabotage (1936)
14. 7.6 - Rebecca (1940)*
15. 7.6 - Mr. & Mrs. Smith (1941)
16. 7.6 - I Confess (1953)

17. 7.6 - To Catch a Thief (1955)
18. 7.4 - The Birds (1963)
18. 7.4 - The Lodger (1927)
18. 7.4 - Vertigo (1958)*
21. 7.2 - Blackmail (1929)
21. 7.2 - North by Northwest (1959)*
21. 7.2 - Torn Curtain (1966)
22. 7.0 - Suspicion (1941)
23. 6.4 - Marnie (1964)*

1-16 are all ranked, the rest are listed alphabetically by rating. Surprisingly, no favourites, though I suspect the top three will jump up into favourite territory upon rewatch, as they're currently all within the top 15 of my non-favourites. The rest I want to rewatch either because it's been a long time since I saw them, or my rating is wildly out of sync with the general consensus and I want to check if my opinion still holds. Marnie is the only outlier and I barely remember anything from the film.
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great director!!!
hugely influential over a long period, from the silent period all the way up to new wave times, where he was still experimenting with the medium
I was lucky enough that EYE did a huge retrospective of his work over a few months in 2014, so I was able to see a lot of them then on the big screen!! (noted with "cinema" in my ranking below, I don't think I saw another Hitchcock in cinema outside of that retrospective... so at least the ranking of those is a pretty solid representation of my taste and judgement). I think I should rewatch Rear Window sometimes, that has been too long and I might get more from it now...

1 - Rope (1948) - 9 - cinema
2 - Vertigo (1958) - 8,5 - cinema
3 - Rebecca (1940) - 8,5 - cinema
4 - North by Northwest (1959) - 8,5 - cinema
5 - Psycho (1960) - 8,5 - cinema
6 - Notorious (1946) - 8 -
7 - Frenzy (1972) - 8 - cinema
8 - The Trouble with Harry (1955) - 8 - cinema
9 - Family Plot (1976) - 8 - cinema
10 - The Birds (1963) - 8 -
11 - The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog (1927) - 8 - cinema
12 - The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956) - 8 - cinema
13 - Spellbound (1945) - 8 -
14 - The Pleasure Garden (1925) - 7,5 - cinema
15 - Blackmail (1929) - 7,5 - cinema
16 - Rear Window (1954) - 7,5 -
17 - Strangers on a Train (1951) - 7,5 -
18 - Under Capricorn (1949) - 7,5 - cinema
19 - The Lady Vanishes (1938) - 7,5 -
20 - Dial M for Murder (1954) - 7,5 -
21 - To Catch a Thief (1955) - 7,5 - cinema
22 - Secret Agent (1936) - 7,5 - cinema
23 - Sabotage (1936) - 7,5 -
24 - The Man Who Knew Too Much (1934) - 7 - cinema
25 - Foreign Correspondent (1940) - 7 -
26 - Torn Curtain (1966) - 7 - cinema
27 - Young and Innocent (1937) - 7 - cinema
28 - The 39 Steps (1935) - 7 -
29 - Shadow of a Doubt (1943) - 7 - cinema
30 - The Ring (1927) - 7 - cinema
31 - The Paradine Case (1947) - 6 - cinema
32 - I Confess (1953) - 6 - cinema
33 - Suspicion (1941) - 6 - cinema
34 - Saboteur (1942) - 5,5 - cinema
35 - The Wrong Man (1956) - 5,5 -
36 - Marnie (1964) - 3 - cinema
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1 - Céline et Julie vont en bateau - Phantom Ladies Over Paris (1974) - 10
2 - Out 1, noli me tangere - 10
3 - La Belle Noiseuse - 9,5
4 - L'amour Fou - 9,5
5 - Duelle (une quarantaine) - 9,5
6 - Noroît (une vengeance) - 9
7 - Paris nous appartient - 9
8 - Ne touchez pas la hache - 8,5
9 - Va savoir - 8,5
10 - La Religieuse - 8
11 - Le Coup du berger - 7,5

I have Spectre and Merry Go Round on Blu Ray yet, also very excited to see Pont du Nord. Huge fan of Rivette obviously but never worked through his films at breakneck pace. In a way I'm afraid of running out of new Rivette films.

Edit: And because we do that too (ranking the new wave - only major cahiers and left bank names):

Rohmer
Rivette
Godard

Marker
Truffaut
Chabrol
Varda
Resnais
Demy

The top 3 are easy and the margin is huge. The rest is kinda difficult but Demy is definitely last (though I liked all films I've seen a lot). Malle would come in 4th, Straub-Huilet 5th, Melville maybe 6th. Eustache would have the potential to come in before Rivette if he made more feature films. I like Resnais a lot but so far I don't really love anything but Marienbad. Truffaut is up so far for some of his less seen films (Stolen Kisses, Two English Girls, The Wild Child). When I had only seen his very popular stuff he was Demy tier.
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Why is Jean Eustache never included in our talks about the Nouvelle Vague ? Is it the relatively small size of his filmography?

Edit : OK, his name came up in the last post :facepalm:
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Late to the game, but...

Hitchcock
Vertigo* 10
The Birds* 9
Rear Window*
Saboteur
The Lady Vanishes* 8
Strangers on a Train 7
Dial M for Murder
The Manxman*
Spellbound
Young and Innocent*
North by Northwest
Shadow of a Doubt 6
Marnie
The 39 Steps
Notorious
Stage Fright
Rebecca
The Trouble with Harry
The Wrong Man
Rope
Psycho
To Catch a Thief
Suspicion
Foreign Correspondent 5
I Confess

Rivette
Out 1: Noli me tangere 10
The Nun 8
Celine and Julie Go Boating 6
La Belle Noiseuse

Hou
A City of Sadness* 10
Flowers of Shanghai
The Assassin*
Goodbye, South, Goodbye 9
Dust in the Wind
Daughter of the Nile
Good Men, Good Women 8
A Time to Live and a Time to Die 7
The Boys from Fengkuei*
The Puppetmaster
Three Times 6
Millenium Mambo
Flight of the Red Balloon

*=theatrically. A number of those Hous need rewatches too.
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1. Psycho (1960) 10
2. Rope (1948) 8
3. Strangers on a Train (1951) 8
4. Blackmail (1929) 8
5. Rebecca (1940) 8
6. Marnie (1964) 7
7. Lifeboat (1944) 7
8. The Wrong Man (1956) 7
9. Shadow of a Doubt (1943) 7
10. The Lady Vanishes (1938) 7
11. Rear Window (1954) 6
12. Dial M for Murder (1954) 6
13. The 39 Steps (1935) 6
14. Spellbound (1945) 6
15. North by Northwest (1959) 6
16. Foreign Correspondent (1940) 6
17. To Catch a Thief (1955) 5
18. The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956) 5
19. Vertigo (1958) 5
20. Suspicion (1941) 5
21. The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog (1927) 5
22. Notorious (1946) 5
23. Frenzy (1972) 5
24. The Birds (1963) 3
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Lot of films were rated way before I was into classic Hollywood and Hitchcock type of films, so rewatches on many of those films are warranted. But these are how things stand as of now.


Top Favorites:
01. 89/100...Psycho (1960)
02. 83/100...The Birds (1963)

Favorites:
03. 78/100...Spellbound (1945)
04. 73/100...Vertigo (1958)

Impressed/Liked:
05. 68/100...Sabotage (1936)
06. 65/100...Lifeboat (1944)
07. 64/100...Foreign Correspondent (1940)
08. 63/100...The Lodger (1927)
09. 62/100...Rear Window (1954)
10. 62/100...The Trouble with Harry (1955)
11. 62/100...Saboteur (1942)
12. 60/100...The Lady Vanishes (1938)
13. 60/100...Rope (1948)

OK/Decent:
14. 59/100...Blackmail (1929)
15. 59/100...Frenzy (1972)
16. 56/100...Dial M for Murder (1954)
17. 54/100...Rebecca (1940)
18. 54/100...North by Northwest (1959)
19. 53/100...Strangers on a Train (1951)
20. 51/100...Suspicion (1941)

Meh!/Uninterested:
21. 48/100...Shadow of a Doubt (1943)
22. 48/100...The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956)
23. 47/100...The 39 Steps (1935)
24. 46/100...The Wrong Man (1956)
25. 46/100...Notorious (1946)

Didn't Like:
26. 43/100...Marnie (1964)
27. 42/100...To Catch a Thief (1955)
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Alfred Hitchcock

★★★★¼ | 8.8
01. Vertigo (1958)

★★★★ | 8.4
02. Suspicion (1941)
03. Rear Window (1954)
04. Spellbound (1945)

★★★¾ | 8.0
05. Rope (1948)
06. North by Northwest (1959)
07. Strangers on a Train (1951)

★★★½ | 7.6
08. The Lady Vanishes (1938)
09. Rebecca (1939)
10. The Birds (1963)
11. Dial M for Murder (1954)
12. Marnie (1964)

★★★¼ | 7.2
13. Psycho (1960)
14. The Lodger – A Story of the London Fog (1926)
15. To Catch a Thief (1955)

★★★ | 6.8 (in chronological order)
The Man Who Knew Too Much (1934)
Sabotage (1936)
The Secret Agent (1936)
Foreign Correspondent (1940)
Shadow of a Doubt (1942)
Notorious (1946)
Stage Fright (1950)
The Trouble with Harry (1954)
The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956)
Frenzy (1972)

★★¾ | 6.4
Young and Innocent (1937)
Jamaica Inn (1939)
Lifeboat (1944)
The Paradine Case (1947)
The Wrong Man (1957)

★★½ | 6.0
The Ring (1927)
Blackmail (1929)
The 39 Steps (1935)
I Confess (1952)
Family Plot (1976)

★★¼ | 5.5
Mr. & Mrs. Smith (1941)
Under Capricorn (1949)

★★ | 5.0
The Pleasure Garden (1925)
Saboteur (1942)
Torn Curtain (1966)
Topaz (1969)

I watched most of these films quite some time ago, I rewatched some of them in the last years though.
From place #16 down, it gets rather foggy in my memory. So I ranked these in chronological order. I have planned a rewatch of Rebecca together with Ben Wheatleys new version somewhere this year...

I wonder if there will ever be a 42nd Hitchcock on my list...


And catching up with Hou Hsiao-hsien...

★★★★★ | 10.0
01. The Time to Live and the Time to Die (1985)

★★★★¾ | 9.6
02. Good Men, Good Women (1995)
03. Flowers of Shanghai (1998)

★★★★¼ | 8.8
04. The Boys from Fengkuei (1983)
05. A City of Sadness (1989)
06. Goodbye South, Goodbye (1996)

★★★★ | 8.4
07. The Puppetmaster (1993)
08. Café Lumière (2004)

★★★¾ | 8.0
09. Three Times (2005)
10. Daughter of the Nile (1987)

★★★½ | 7.6
11. A Summer at Grandpa’s (1984)
12. Millenium Mambo (2001)
13. Dust in the Wind (1986)

★★★¼ | 7.2
14. The Assassin (2015)

★★★ | 6.8
15. Le Voyage du Ballon Rouge (2007)
16. Green Green Grass of Home (1982)

★★½ | 6.0
17. Cute Girl (1980)

N/R
The Electric Princess House (2007), segment from “Chacun Son Cinéma”
La Belle Epoque (2011), segment from “10+10”
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Gosh, Hitchcock. In many ways, I first became interested in movies, when I was 10, because of Strangers on a Train. He was my first movie fascination (apart from the "guy" movies my father raised me on -- Bond, war movies, and Westerns). I've seen 44 of his movies, not including his wartime shorts. In other words, 44 more movies than I've seen from Hou and Rivette combined. I can't rank them in order, so I'll put them in tiers.

I agree with what OldAle wrote about Marnie. I need to give it a rewatch. It's such a puzzling movie. When I first saw it, I couldn't decide whether the artificiality of the production design was purposeful or the result of budget woes. Similarly, I couldn't decide whether the character histrionics were overdone acting or an example of what might be called psychoanalytic expressionism. Marnie has a small but devoted following -- it's even inspired an opera adaptation.

Superlative
Strangers on a Train
Rear Window
Vertigo
Psycho

Very Good
The Lodger
The 39 Steps
Sabotage
The Lady Vanishes
Rebecca
Lifeboat
Shadow of a Doubt
North by Northwest
The Birds
Frenzy

Good
Blackmail
The Man Who Knew Too Much (1934)
Foreign Correspondent
Saboteur
Spellbound
Notorious
Rope
Dial M for Murder
To Catch a Thief
The Man Who Knew too Much (1956)
Torn Curtain
Family Plot

OK
The Pleasure Garden
Murder!
Young and Innocent
Jamaica Inn
Suspicion
The Paradine Case
Under Capricorn
Stage Fright
I Confess
The Trouble with Harry
The Wrong Man
Marnie
Topaz

Misfires
The Manxman
Rich and Strange
Number 17
Secret Agent
Mr. & Mrs. Smith
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Hitchcock:
Vertigo really has its own level of greatness among a handful of masterpieces.
[.. 20 other films ..]
Marnie & Topaz weren't that good, yup.
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Psycho
Vertigo
Shadow of a Doubt
Rear Window
Rope
The 39 Steps
Strangers on a Train
The Birds
The Trouble with Harry
North by Northwest
Frenzy (prob closest Hitch to a giallo)
Dial M for Murder
The Lady Vanishes
Family Plot (love Barbara Harris)
Sabotage
To Catch a Thief
The Man Who Knew Too Much
Blackmail
I Confess
Suspicion
The Lodger
Marnie
Topaz

...think I've seen Torn Curtain, but I don't have it rated. Can't recall it well enough to include it.
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Great thread, Beavis!
I hope it's alright to take the initiative and suggest another one?
I'm mainly considering names I've watched complete filmographies from, so I'm giving Billy Wilder a necessary boost! B)
Here goes, all 27 of his films / I've re-evaluated certain aspects of my ranking, most will probably remain as they are in the future, but my favorites are subject to alter positions:

TOP TIER - Masterpieces (first five are personal favorites)

1 - One, Two, Three ★★★★★
2 - The Apartment ★★★★★
3 - Sunset Blvd. ★★★★★
4 - Avanti! ★★★★★
5 - Double Indemnity ★★★★★
6 - Ace in the Hole ★★★★★
7 - Some Like It Hot ★★★★★
8 - Kiss Me, Stupid - ★★★★★

SECOND TIER - Brilliant to Great

9 - The Lost Weekend ★★★★¾
10 - Sabrina ★★★★¾
11 - Witness for the Prosecution ★★★★¾
12 - Irma La Douce ★★★★¾
13 - Stalag 17 ★★★★¾
14 - The Major and the Minor ★★★★
15 - Seven Year Itch ★★★★
16 - A Foreign Affair ★★★★
17 - The Fortune Cookie ★★★★
18 - Death Mills ★★★★

THIRD TIER - Decent to Acceptable

19 - The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes ★★★¾
20 - Love in the Afternoon ★★★¾
21 - The Spirit of St. Louis ★★★¾
22 - Five Graves to Cairo ★★★¾
23 - Fedora ★★★
24 - The Front Page ★★★
25 - Mauvaise Graine (Bad Seed) ★★★

FINAL TIER - Mediocre

26 - Buddy Buddy ★★½
27 - The Emperor Waltz ★★
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Damn I got one left and it's your #27. Not selling it!
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Welcome to the forum, Dimitris!

And great first post!

Wilder is a director who has not been too bright on my radar for years - beyond this nagging feeling that I really need to watch Irma La Douce, and from your rankings and ratings above it is clear I also need to jump on Kiss Me, Stupid sooner rather than later. In fact, there are still a few comedies I skipped - which is odd given how big of a fan I was at some point. Sadly I think it has been more than 10 years since I saw any of these so can not quite stand by my opinions that firmly anymore.

1. Stalag 17 (1953) 9
2. Double Indemnity (1944)
3. The Apartment (1960)
4. Sunset Blvd. (1950)
5. The Seven Year Itch (1955) 8.5
6. One, Two, Three (1961)
7. The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes (1970)
8. Some Like It Hot (1959) 8
9. Ace in the Hole (1951)
10. Five Graves to Cairo (1943)
11. The Spirit of St. Louis (1957)
12. Witness for the Prosecution (1957)
13. The Major and the Minor (1942)
14. Avanti! (1972) 7.5
15. The Lost Weekend (1945)
16. Sabrina (1954)
17. The Front Page (1974) 7
18. Love in the Afternoon (1957)
19. A Foreign Affair (1948) 6.5
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St. Gloede wrote: April 20th, 2021, 7:38 pm Welcome to the forum, Dimitris!

And great first post!
Welcome? New? I'm sure you remember Dimitris Psachos Springer. ;)

Hey, Dimitris, you know you could use your old account on the new forum?
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cool this thread is sparking some fresh conversation and new/more/other people bringing their stuff!!
we might want to give some more breathing room to each new name in case some people fall behind or are later in wanting to join and then feel daunted by all the names they've missed and should/could make lists for... I like momentum more than rules, so hopefully this will naturally find a good rhythm

let's see if I can make a Wilder ranking before having to call it a night! ;)
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Billy Wilder (11 seen, 1.04* average)

Don't really like his comedies, but his more serious films are worse.

01. 2.5* - The Seven Year Itch
02. 1.5* - The Apartment
03. 1.5* - Ace in the Hole
04. 1.0* - Kiss Me, Stupid
05. 1.0* - Double Indemnity
06. 1.0* - Witness for the Prosecution
07. 1.0* - Sunset Blvd.
08. 0.5* - One, Two, Three
09. 0.5* - Some Like It Hot
10. 0.5* - Stalag 17
11. 0.5* - The Lost Weekend
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Wilder, a talented writer, bringing a clear European flavor to Hollywood. But they are still mostly the kind of Hollywood movies that don't do that much for me. Top 5 are some very solid movies though! I might need to give the Lost Weekend a rewatch as I remember it better than the mark I gave it when I saw it. Other than that I would only recommend, maybe, to fans of Hollywood movies.

1 - One, Two, Three (1961) - 8,5
2 - Sunset Blvd. (1950) - 8
3 - The Apartment (1960) - 8
4 - Double Indemnity (1944) - 8
5 - Five Graves to Cairo (1943) - 8
6 - The Lost Weekend (1945) - 7,5
7 - A Foreign Affair (1948) - 7,5
8 - Ace in the Hole (1951) - 7,5
9 - Some Like It Hot (1959) - 7,5
10 - Stalag 17 (1953) - 7,5
11 - Witness for the Prosecution (1957) - 7,5
12 - The Front Page (1974) - 7,5
13 - Love in the Afternoon (1957) - 7,5
14 - The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes (1970) - 7,5
15 - Sabrina (1954) - 7
16 - Irma la Douce (1963) - 7
17 - Kiss Me, Stupid (1964) - 6,5
18 - Fedora (1978) - 6,5
19 - The Seven Year Itch (1955) - 6
20 - Mauvaise graine (1934) - 6
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Several yet to see, and most films after the top four are pretty iffy - unseen for more than 20 years in most cases. I like Wilder overall certainly, but for whatever reason his particular brand of cynicism and misanthropy is one that I am not often in the mood for.

+ - seen multiple times

GREAT ONES
1. Sunset Blvd+
2. Ace in the Hole+
3. Some Like It Hot+

EXCELLENT
4. Double Indemnity+

VERY GOOD
5. Witness for the Prosecution
6. The Fortune Cookie
7. The Apartment
8. The Major and the Minor
9. One, Two, Three
10. The Seven Year Itch
11. Stalag 17

GOOD
12. A Foreign Affair
13. The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes
14. Five Graves to Cairo
15. The Lost Weekend
16. Sabrina

OK
17. Love in the Afternoon



BEST FILMS WRITTEN, BUT NOT DIRECTED
1. Ball of Fire
2. Midnight
3. Menschen am Sonntag
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★★★★¾ | 9.6
01. Sunset Blvd. (1950)

★★★★ | 8.4
02. Double Indemnity (1944)
03. Love in the Afternoon (1956)
04. Witness for the Prosecution (1957)

★★★¾ | 8.0
05. Avanti! (1972)
06. Five Graves to Cairo (1943)
07. Sabrina (1954)

★★★½ | 7.6
08. Some Like It Hot (1959)

★★★¼ | 7.2
09. The Fortune Cookie (1966)

★★★ | 6.8
10. A Foreign Affair (1948)
11. The Lost Weekend (1945)
12. One, Two, Three (1961)
13. The Front Page (1974)
14. The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes (1970)
15. Mauvaise Graine (1933)

★★¾ | 6.4
16. Fedora (1978)
17. The Apartment (1960)

★★½ | 6.0
18. The Seven Year Itch (1955)
19. Stalag 17 (1952)
20. Irma la Douce (1963)
21. Buddy Buddy (1981)
22. The Major and the Minor (1942)

★★¼ | 5.5
23. Ace in the Hole (1951)

★★ | 5.0
24. Kiss Me Stupid (1964)
25. The Emperor Waltz (1947)

★½ | 4.0
26. The Spirit of St. Louis (1957)
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Seen 10 of Wilder's films so far, and mostly good or great overall.

01. 8.8 Witness for the Prosecution (1957)
02. 8.4 Some Like It Hot (1959)
03. 8.2 Ace in the Hole (1951)
04. 8.0 Stalag 17 (1953)
05. 8.0 The Apartment (1960)
06. 8.0 Sunset Blvd. (1950)
07. 7.8 The Lost Weekend (1945)
08. 7.8 Double Indemnity (1944)
09. 7.6 Sabrina (1954)
10. 6.4 Love in the Afternoon (1957)

The most recent ones I saw were Love in the Afternoon, Ace in the Hole, and Sabrina, so his average used to be much higher for me. I've seen most of his highly acclaimed ones, so not sure how the rest will pan out. Perhaps a few more gems and then the rest pleasant mediocrity. :P
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Far from the biggest Wilder fan, despite him being a very capable filmmaker. Some of these ratings are questionable, with a few adjusted quite retroactively...

The Apartment 9
Ace in the Hole 8
Sunset Blvd. 7 - one of the first films that got me excited about classic Hollywood when I was 12 or 13 (the other being Casablanca), but didn't do nearly as much for me on revision; maybe time for a third go-around
Five Graves to Cairo - I tend to enjoy these minor pieces of studio system exoticism, plus Stroheim
The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes - strange film, but I love me some Holmes
Witness for the Prosecution
Some Like It Hot - haven't seen it since my early teens
Double Indemnity 5
Stalag 17 4 - I don't like prison break movies

Not in any rush to see more, but I'll probably get around to People on Sunday at some point, plus Avanti! which was one of serriform's favorite films.

EDIT: D'oh, my mind isn't used to 4 hours of sleep 2 nights in a row (sorry pt, I know it's nothing to complain about). Removed the films he just wrote.
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prodigalgodson wrote: April 20th, 2021, 10:53 pm Ninotchka - for some reason I thought Lubitsch had directed this...
Actually, Lubitsch did direct this :P
Apparently, I should have mentioned I'd be ranking only his directorial features, excluding his non-directed screenplays i.e. Midnight, Hold Back the Dawn, Ninotchka and Ball of Fire, which you also added to your list! (but if anyone wants to rank his screenplays too, be my guest :thumbsup: )
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Surprised I've seen so little Wilder!

The Major and the Minor (1942) 7
Double Indemnity (1944) 5.5
The Lost Weekend (1945) 5
Sunset Boulevard (1950) 10
Ace in the Hole (1951) 9
Witness for the Prosecution (1957) 8.5
Some Like it Hot (1959) 8.5
The Apartment (1960) 8
The Fortune Cookie (1966) 8.5

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1. Some Like it Hot (1959) 10
2. The Apartment (1960) 8
3. The Major and the Minor (1942) 8
4. Five Graves to Cairo (1943) 8
5. Stalag 17 (1953) 8
6. Witness for the Prosecution (1957) 8
7. The Lost Weekend (1945) 7
8. Double Indemnity (1944) 6
9. Ace in the Hole (1951) 6
10. Sabrina (1954) 6
11. The Fortune Cookie (1966) 6
12. Sunset Blvd. (1950) 5
13. The Seven Year Itch (1955) 5
14. The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes (1970) 5
15. One, Two, Three (1961) 5
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Dimitris Psachos wrote: April 20th, 2021, 10:59 pm
prodigalgodson wrote: April 20th, 2021, 10:53 pm Ninotchka - for some reason I thought Lubitsch had directed this...
Actually, Lubitsch did direct this :P
Apparently, I should have mentioned I'd be ranking only his directorial features, excluding his non-directed screenplays i.e. Midnight, Hold Back the Dawn, Ninotchka and Ball of Fire, which you also added to your list! (but if anyone wants to rank his screenplays too, be my guest :thumbsup: )
Ooooh haha, I was looking at his Wikipedia filmography which lumps everything together. Ball of Fire was Hawks, right?
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outdoorcats wrote: April 21st, 2021, 1:27 am Double Indemnity (1944) 5.5
The Lost Weekend (1945) 5
huh

Those are rare picks for the "worst Wilders" for someone who has seen about 10 of his films and enjoyed or loved every other :)
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Stalag 17 might be my favorite movie ever. I've probably seen it about a dozen times.

Wilder:


Superlative
Stalag 17

Very Good
The Lost Weekend
Sunset Blvd.
Ace in the Hole
One, Two Three

Good
Double Indemnity
Sabrina
Irma la Douce

OK
Witness for the Prosecution
Some Like It Hot
The Apartment
The Fortune Cookie
The Front Page

Misfires
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1. The Apartment - 8/10
2. Sunset Blvd. - 8/10
3. Stalag 17 - 7/10
4. The Lost Weekend - 7/10
5. Ace in the Hole - 7/10
6. Witness for the Prosecution - 7/10
7. Double Indemnity - 7/10
8. Some Like It Hot - 6/10

To me, a very solid director with a few films I love but not a huge favorite, though I should obviously see more.
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Billy Wilder.. One of my all time fav directors (Currently #5 of my most favorite directors)..I always want to watch more from him but get side tracked all the time. So have seen very few than I would love to.

Also, seen his most acclaimed, Sunset and Double, more than 10 years ago when I was new into classics. So re-watches needed on those as well.

01. 81/100...Ace in the Hole (1951)

02. 73/100...The Seven Year Itch (1955)
03. 72/100...Sabrina (1954)

04. 64/100...The Apartment (1960)
05. 64/100...Witness for the Prosecution (1957)
06. 63/100...The Lost Weekend (1945)

07. 58/100...The Front Page (1974)
08. 58/100...Some Like It Hot (1959)
09. 55/100...Double Indemnity (1944)
10. 54/100...Stalag 17 (1953)
11. 53/100...Sunset Blvd. (1950)
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Oooh, tempo.


Hitchcock

I guess Hitchcock can take credit for helping me getting into 'old' films as a young cinephile when I was mostly watching mainstream and New Hollywood stuff. Vague memories here:

Favourites
1. Vertigo (1958)
2. Rear Window (1954)
3. Psycho (1960)
4. Notorious (1946)

Very good to OK, in very rough order of preference
5. Rope (1948)
6. Dial M for Murder (1954)
7. Rebecca (1940)
8. Strangers on a Train (1951)
9. North by Northwest (1959)
10. The Trouble with Harry (1955)
11. I Confess (1953)
12. Frenzy (1972)
13. The Wrong Man (1956)
14. Shadow of a Doubt (1943)
15. Blackmail (1929)
16. The Birds (1963)
17. Spellbound (1945)
18. Stage Fright (1950)
19. The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog (1927)
20. To Catch a Thief (1955)
21. Family Plot (1976)
22. Marnie (1964)
23. Torn Curtain (1966)
24. The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956)
25. Lifeboat (1944)
26. Young and Innocent (1937)
27. The 39 Steps (1935)
28. Sabotage (1936)
29. The Lady Vanishes (1938)
30. Foreign Correspondent (1940)
31. Suspicion (1941)
32. The Man Who Knew Too Much (1934)
33. Topaz (1969)
34. Secret Agent (1936)
35. Mr. & Mrs. Smith (1941)
36. The Paradine Case (1947)
37. Waltzes from Vienna (1934)
38. The Manxman (1929)
39. The Ring (1927)
40. Saboteur (1942)
41. Bon Voyage (1944)

Disliked
42. Downhill (1927)
43. Aventure malgache (1944)
44. The Farmer's Wife (1928)
45. Jamaica Inn (1939)
46. Easy Virtue (1928)
47. Number Seventeen (1932)
48. Rich and Strange (1931)



Wilder

Some good stuff, but overall I don't get the praise.

Good
1. Double Indemnity (1944)
2. Sunset Blvd. (1950)
3. The Seven Year Itch (1955)

Alright
4. The Front Page (1974)
5. Some Like It Hot (1959)
6. The Lost Weekend (1945)
7. The Major and the Minor (1942)

OK
8. Sabrina (1954)
9. Ace in the Hole (1951)
10. The Apartment (1960)
11. Witness for the Prosecution (1957)
12. Five Graves to Cairo (1943)
13. The Spirit of St. Louis (1957)
14. Stalag 17 (1953)
15. The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes (1970)
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maybe One, Two, Three could still be a good one for you to try for Wilder
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beavis wrote: April 21st, 2021, 1:29 pm maybe One, Two, Three could still be a good one for you to try for Wilder
Maybe when we get to the poll for 1961.
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