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Torgo wrote: April 21st, 2021, 2:39 am
outdoorcats wrote: April 21st, 2021, 1:27 am Double Indemnity (1944) 5.5
The Lost Weekend (1945) 5
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Those are rare picks for the "worst Wilders" for someone who has seen about 10 of his films and enjoyed or loved every other :)
Are they? I haven't seen either in over a decade, and perhaps they deserve a second shot, but I remember The Lost Weekend to be a didactic "message picture" and Double Indemnity feeling like a parody of noir that took itself extremely seriously. You can at least see how The Lost Weekend is not like the others, which except for Witness are all either noir or screwball comedy.

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1. Ace in the Hole (1951) 9/10
2. The Apartment (1960)
3. Sunset Blvd. (1950) 8/10
4. Some Like It Hot (1959)
5. Double Indemnity (1944)
6. One, Two, Three (1961)
7. Sabrina (1954)
8. The Lost Weekend (1945)
9. The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes (1970) 7/10
10. Witness for the Prosecution (1957)
11. A Foreign Affair (1948)
12. Five Graves to Cairo (1943) 6/10
13. The Seven Year Itch (1955) 5/10
14. Stalag 17 (1953) 4/10
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I may be one of the feverish Wilder supporters, but, academically speaking, Indemnity and Hot can be applied to their standard "genre" rules, (though I can definitely understand the ruckus in how Wilders contextualizes his mind-scape and screenplay narrative) .
So, yeah, I suppose the "canon" Wilder films are Indemnity, Hot and Sunset, and if one wants to compile a top 5, Sabrina and Apartment complete the cycle (yet, I see why most of those are troublesome to cautious viewers regarding Hollywood and the studio system) .

I had been planning to post a Hitchcock ranking, will definitely do it on my next post in this thread!
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Billy Wilder
Seen: 18, average rating: 7.9
One of my favorite classical Hollywood directors. Most of these I've (re)watched in the last 7 years or so. Except The Seven Year Itch, which I should rewatch too.

1. The Apartment (1960): 9.0
2. The Lost Weekend (1945): 9.0
3. Sunset Blvd. (1950): 8.8
4. Double Indemnity (1944): 8.5
6. Stalag 17 (1953): 8.5
7. Ace in the Hole (1951): 8.5
8. Witness for the Prosecution (1957): 8.5
9. A Foreign Affair (1948): 8.2
10. One, Two, Three (1961): 8.0
11. Irma la Douce (1963): 8.0
12. Sabrina (1954): 7.8
13. Some Like It Hot (1959): 7.5
14. The Major and the Minor (1942): 7.5
15. The Front Page (1974): 7.5
16. The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes (1970): 7.2
17. Fedora (1978): 7.2
18. The Seven Year Itch (1955): 6.5
19. Mauvaise graine (1934): 6..2
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: April 21st, 2021, 10:38 pmMost of these I've (re)watched in the last 7 years or so. Except The Seven Year Itch, which I should rewatch too.
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Hardly a major Hitchcock fan, I've always considered him more of a spectacular showman, which isn't necessarily a negative, and while I have a good load of favorites or admire several examples from his work, I'm pretty harsh with MANY of his early attempts (though I'm in equal numbers critical on both his British-U.S. periods) and he'll never be part of my top directors list.
I'm ranking 58+1 of his films: almost all are his officially available features, except a couple of shorts and docus (I decided to include his Elstree Calling segment, for archiving purposes, heh) / if any of his lost films have come up, ring us (members) a bell! (I don't really count his TV episodes)

TOP TIER - Masterpieces (first three are personal favorites)

1 - Psycho ★★★★★
2 - Shadow of a Doubt ★★★★★
3 - Vertigo ★★★★★
4 - Frenzy ★★★★★
5 - Lifeboat ★★★★★
6 - Notorious ★★★★★
7 - Strangers on a Train ★★★★¾
8 - Rear Window ★★★★¾
9 - Sabotage ★★★★¾
10 - The 39 Steps ★★★★¾

SECOND TIER - Brilliant to Great

11 - German Concentration Camps Factual Survey ★★★★¾
12 - Family Plot ★★★★¾
13 - The Lady Vanishes ★★★★¾
14 - Rebecca ★★★★
15 - The Trouble with Harry ★★★★
16 - The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog ★★★★
17 - Suspicion ★★★★
18 - Stage Fright ★★★★
19 - The Birds ★★★★
20 - Rope ★★★★
21 - Foreign Correspondent ★★★★

THIRD TIER - Decent to Acceptable

22 - Marnie ★★★¾
23 - North by Northwest ★★★¾
24 - Jamaica Inn ★★★¾
25 - Spellbound ★★★¾
26 - Blackmail ★★★¾
27 - Dial M for Murder ★★★¾
28 - The Man Who Knew Too Much (1934) ★★★¾
29 - I Confess ★★★¾

FOURTH TIER - Mediocre to Bad

30 - To Catch a Thief ★★★
31 - Mr. and Mrs. Smith ★★★
32 - The Man Who Knew Too Much ★★★
33 - When Boys Leave Home ★★★
34 - Young and Innocent ★★★
35 - Secret Agent ★★★
36 - Under Capricorn ★★★
37 - Murder! ★★★
38 - The Wrong Man ★★¾
39 - Torn Curtain ★★¾
40 - Saboteur ★★¾
41 - The Manxman ★★¾
42 - Sound Test for Blackmail ★★¾
43 - Number 17 ★★¾
44 - The Ring ★★
45 - Topaz ★★
46 - The Skin Game ★★
47 - Bon Voyage ★★
48 - The Pleasure Garden ★★
49 - East of Shanghai ★★

FINAL TIER - Terrible

50 - Champagne ★¾
51 - The Paradine Case ★¾
52 - Easy Virtue ★¾
53 - Mary ★¾
54 - Aventure Malgache ★
55 - The Farmer's Wife ★
56 - Juno and the Paycock ★
57 - Elstree Calling (segment) ★
58 - Strauss' Great Waltz ¾
59 - The Fighting Generation ¾
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Back to someone more contemporary, though the director sadly died of COVID-19 last december…
A belated tribute to the late Kim Ki-duk!

★★★★¼ | 8.8
01. The Isle (2000)

★★★★ | 8.4
02. 3-Iron (2004)
03. Breath (2007)
04. Time (2006)

★★★¾ | 8.0
05. Moebius (2013)
06. Bad Guy (2001)
07. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter… and Spring (2003)

★★★½ | 7.6
08. Arirang (2011)
09. Birdcage Inn (1998)

★★★¼ | 7.2
10. Samaritan Girl (2004)

★★★ | 6.8
11. Pieta (2012)
12. The Bow (2005)

★★½ | 6.0
13. Address Unknown (2001)

★★¼ | 5.5
14. Real Fiction (2000)

★★ | 5.0
15. The Coast Guard (2002)
16. The Net (2016)

★¼ | 3.5
17. Crocodile (1996)


Interested to see "Wild Animals", "Dream" and "Human, Space, Time and Human" in the near future.

His first films that entered the West (" Birdcage Inn" at Gent International Film Festival and "The Isle" at Rotterdam) triggered me immediately (the latter one even blew me away). Together with Hong Sang-soo two completely different and unique voices from Korea that appeared at the end of the 20th/beginning of the 21st century. Though I consider Kim's oeuvre to be a mix of (a lot of) hit and (a few) miss his signature is often recognizable even - or should I say especially - in his last films. Yesterday I watched Time and found it surprisingly strong and moving. But definitely vintage Kim!

The 3 Kim Ki-duk films I watched this month (again, thanks to beavis' collection) are my starting point for a few months of Korean film-watching. Beside the Kim triple-bill I also made a start with the incredible richly filled online viewer of the Korean Film Archive to start checking the great Korean Classics from the 2.0-, AMP- KOFA- or whatever list :thumbsup:
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Kim Ki-duk (23/25 seen, 3.76* average)
The ultimate black sheep of South-Korean cinema. Kim's dramas are raw, confrontational and personal, but never without heart. While his oeuvre is quite consistent, a rough, personal breakdown has spliced it into two very distinctive parts.

01. 4.5* - Moebius [Moi-bi-woo-seu] (#096)
02. 4.5* - Breath [Soom] (#149)
03. 4.5* - 3-Iron [Bin-jip] (#224)
04. 4.5* - The Bow [Hwal] (#271)
05. 4.5* - Pieta (#282)
06. 4.5* - Dream [Bi-Mong] (#288)
07. 4.0* - Human, Space, Time and Human [Inkan, Gongkan, Sikan Grigo Inkan] (#342)
08. 4.0* - The Isle [Seom] (#657)
09. 4.0* - Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring [Bom Yeoreum Gaeul Gyeoul Geurigo Bom]
10. 4.0* - Samaritan Girl [Samaria]
11. 4.0* - Address Unknown [Suchwiin Bulmyeong]
12. 4.0* - Time [Shi Gan]
13. 4.0* - Wild Animals [Yasaeng Dongmul Bohoguyeog]
14. 3.5* - Bad Guy [Nabbeun Namja]
15. 3.5* - The Coast Guard [Hae Anseon]
16. 3.5* - Arirang
17. 3.5* - One on One [Il-dae-i]
18. 3.5* - The Net [Geumul]
19. 3.5* - Birdcage Inn [Paran Daemun]
20. 3.5* - Real Fiction [Shilje Sanghwang]
21. 3.0* - Crocodile [Ag-o]
22. 3.0* - Amen
23. 1.0* - Venice 70: Future Reloaded

I have Dissolve lying here (but doesn't look too appealing to be honest), the only one left after that is Stop. Quite hard to find, hints are welcomed!
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Only seen 3 so far, very impressed by all for different reasons.

3-Iron 8
Spring......and Spring
Dream
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1. Bom yeoreum gaeul gyeoul geurigo bom (2003) 7
2. Bin-jip (2004) 5
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Ki-duk Kim was one of the most acclaimed contemporary directors when I got into cinema, and 3-Iron + Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring had achieved an instant masterpiece status by critics making him a must-see and must-explore director. I love his long takes, the way he builds tensions and the elements of both contemplative and surrealist nature to give his films a rather unique atmosphere and experience.

He truly was at his height during the early to mid-00s, before which he was rougher, and after which he just started feeling flatter - until, of course his breakdown and hiatus from cinema. Arirang, a documentary on said breakdown, feels incredibly intimate and raw - mostly just showing him - and gave me hope he may return with a bang - but instead he withered out. I have not seen his films since Pieta. I kept trying/aiming to see Moebius, but it just never happened - I will at some point I'm sure - and then of course came the allegations of misconduct, sexual harassment and even rape - which did make some of his content slightly more uneasy and suspect.

I would really like to give some of his later film a try, in particular The Net, as well as his last film Dis. Perhaps the quality was maintained, it was just the audience and distribution that disappeared - though I am cautious. I will also, undoubtedly, return to some of my favourites and see how they hold us - as it has been a very long time since I saw any of these films - Pieta was likely the last.

9.5
1. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring (2003)
9
2. Hwal / The Bow (2005)
8.5
3. Bin-jip / 3-Iron (2004)
4. Seom / The Isle (2000)
5. Samaria (2004)
6. Hae anseon / The Coast Guard (2002)
7. Paran daemun / Birdcage Inn (1998)
8
8. Arirang (2011)
9. Shi gan / Time (2006)
10. Soom / Breath (2007)
11. Suchwiin bulmyeong / Address Unknown (2001)
7.5
12. Pieta (2012)
13. Nabbeun namja / Bad Guy (2001)
7
14. Bi-mong / Dream (2008)
6.5
15. Shilje sanghwang / Real Fiction (2000)
16. Ag-o / Crocodile (1996)
6
17. Yasaeng dongmul bohoguyeog / Wild Animals (1997)
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St. Gloede wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 9:08 am I would really like to give some of his later film a try, in particular The Net, as well as his last film Dis. Perhaps the quality was maintained, it was just the audience and distribution that disappeared - though I am cautious.
His move to digital hasn't made his films easier to watch, his cruder approach also didn't help. His earlier work still had some dreamy qualities, that has mostly disappeared from his post-breakdown work. But even looking at his earlier films, it's his softest films that fared best with critics.

A film like The Net probably had the most chance of getting noticed, while still violent there's quite a bit of overt social drama there. Not sure why critics/people chose to ignore it.
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Maybe because The Net, like The Coast Guard and Address Unknown, do not just focus on individual misery and pain, but the bigger picture. And that's not a core quality of Kim's cinema I think. The Net did get a cinema- and a home video release in The Netherlands btw.
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Y U M E wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 9:51 am Maybe because The Net, like The Coast Guard and Address Unknown, do not just focus on individual misery and pain, but the bigger picture. And that's not a core quality of Kim's cinema I think.
Hmmm, never considered that, but I guess you're on to something :)
Y U M E wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 9:51 am The Net did get a cinema- and a home video release in The Netherlands btw.
Wow, completely missed that (I'm in Belgium of course, but usually releases are shared).
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Dimitris Psachos wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 2:25 pm

TOP TIER - Masterpieces (first three are personal favorites)
So you have films you consider masterpieces that aren't personal favs? :mw_confused:
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I've only seen Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring, which I liked a lot. I should clearly see more, 3-iron being the next obvious one.
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Ki-duk Kim
Seen: 12. Average rating: 8.2

1. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring (2003): 10!
2. 3-Iron (2004): 10!

3. Hwal (2005): 9.2

4. The Isle (2000): 8.5
5. Samaritan Girl (2004): 8.5

6. The Coast Guard (2002): 8.0
7. Soom (2007): 8.0
8. Address Unknown (2001): 8.0
9. Time (2006): 7.8

10. Bad Guy (2001): 7.5

11. Pieta (2012): 6.5
12. Real Fiction (2000): 6.5
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Kim Ki-duk

I liked the first two in the mid 00's, not sure how I'd react now. I haven't really been inclined to explore further since watching 'The Isle' though.

1. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring (2003)
2. Time (2006)

3. 3-Iron (2004)
4. Dream (2008)
5. Samaritan Girl (2004)
6. The Isle (2000)
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Not a filmography I know very well I'm afraid.

1. Bom yeoreum gaeul gyeoul geurigo bom/Spring... (2003) 6/10
2. Bin-jip/3 Iron (2004) 6/10
3. Soom/Breath (2007) 6/10
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Still a lot to see for me too, but with reviews never really being encouraging, he is seldom a first choice (if I wasn't able to catch a new movie at a local cinema) to seek out... His best works I've seen at least a decade ago, but I did like his recent Human, Space, Time and Human quite a lot!!

1 - Seom - 2000 - The Isle - 9
2 - Bin-jip - 2004 - 3-Iron - 8,5
3 - Nabbeun namja - 2001 - Bad Guy - 8,5
4 - Bom yeoreum gaeul gyeoul geurigo bom - 2003 - Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring - 8
5 - Inganui Shigan - 2018 - Human, Space, Time and Human - 7,5
6 - Moebiuseu - 2013 - Moebius - 7
7 - Geumul - 2016 - The Net - 7
8 - Paran daemun - 1998 - Birdcage Inn - 7
9 - Pieta - 2012 - - 6,5
10 - Ag-o - 1996 - Crocodile - 6
11 - Samaria - 2004 - Samaritan Girl - 6
12 - Hwal - 2005 - The Bow - 5
13 - Suchwiin bulmyeong - 2001 - Address Unknown - 4
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I've only seen the two films that I guess have risen up to become his most famous or best-regarded or whatever -

1. 3-Iron - EXCELLENT
2. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring - VERY GOOD, though I had some issues

Saw both on video within the past 6-7 years. Not uninterested in checking out more, but of the group of major Korean directors who emerged around the same time he's not the highest priority.
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Maybe my view is skewed by the IFFR, but I always thought Seom was his clear masterpiece, with the likes of Sping... only embraced by a mainstream who like the pretty pictures and not the ugly fishhooks :) I'm not saying that Spring... is void of content, I do really like it myself, but I wouldn't have thought it was the main favorite for those who have also seen Seom (Bin Jip falls a bit in between with some more "harsh" and some more "cute" elements... that one is loved by all ;))
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Well, the two I've seen are really the only two that, as far as I can tell, got anything like "mainstream" exposure, at least in the USA. Both had commercial runs (albeit minor) in cinemas, both had commercial DVD releases and back in the late days of video stores a decade or so ago, they were the ones you'd likely find on the shelves. And today they are the most-checked, most voted on IMDb, and are on the most official toplists. So as far as the consensus - which is what I was talking about, as I can't speak from personal experience having just seen those two - they seem clearly at this point his Vertigo and Rear Window, or Seventh Seal and Persona, or any other dumb analogy one wants to name.
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In the Netherlands we are lucky then that a lot has been released, but it confirmes my association of Spring... with a more mainstream target audience (that maybe wouldn't like any of Kim's other work. And might think he is a Buddhist, while his presonal interests, also expressed in his movies, is clearly Catholic)
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I think a few of his other films, like Seom and Hwal, did get at least a little exposure, maybe short cinema releases here, and I'm sure there are some that were released commercially on DVD/Blu - maybe most, I don't know, haven't really looked into it. But the two I've seen were the ones that stuck out and came to my attention even when I was just dipping my toe into Korean film around 2006-7, and I remember Spring, Summer playing at our local arthouse theater in Burlington, VT, and that I'd planned to see it but for some reason couldn't or didn't. I think you're probably right that Spring, Summer looked like something different, more mainstream, more like the stereotype of Asian arthouse films that mainstream white liberals in suburbs would watch - i.e. reminiscent of something like Raise the Red Lantern or other films from Zhang or Kaige Chen in the 90s.
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Lonewolf2003 wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 10:43 am
Dimitris Psachos wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 2:25 pm

TOP TIER - Masterpieces (first three are personal favorites)
So you have films you consider masterpieces that aren't personal favs? :mw_confused:
Hahaha, well, if I were to spread out my ranking-favorite chart, I'd say I have a huge number of favorites, but ultimate-personal-special-you name it, are, eventually, those I feel closer to. (otherwise, I'm quite lenient, even with directors I'm not particularly attached to)
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OldAle1 wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 1:59 pm when I was just dipping my toe into Korean film around 2006-7
I guess that explains a bit, because that's pretty late. By then the hype was already dying down here.
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01. 3-Iron (2004) - 10/10

02. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring (2003) - 9/10

03. Samaritan Girl (2004) - 8/10
04. Time (2006) - 8/10
05. Arirang (2011) - 8/10

06. The Bow (2005) - 7/10
07. Dream (2008) - 7/10
08. Moebius (2013) - 7/10
09. The Net (2016) - 7/10

10. The Isle (2000) - 6/10
11. Pieta (2012) - 6/10
12. Bad Guy (2001) - 6/10
13. Birdcage Inn (1998) - 6/10
14. Crocodile (1996) - 6/10
15. Real Fiction (2000) - 6/10

16. Breath (2007) - 5/10
17. Address Unknown (2001) - 5/10
18. Amen (2011) - 5/10

19. Wild Animals (1997) - 4/10
20. One On One (2014) - 4/10

21. The Coast Guard (2002) - 3/10

All over the place.
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Ki-duk is alright, I guess. I was quite fond of him when I started viewing major (and lesser-known) art-house selections, a tribute of his work up to Spring, Summer, as part of a director's retrospective in Athens Film Festival, is still is a fond memory, all the more since he himself accepted a honorary prize.
Once I became acquainted with much better directors, I somehow feel he's a pseudo-intellectual, similar to what Von Trier's schlock impresses western audiences. Several fine works, sure, but nothing groundbreaking, even if I've rated some of his pretty high (possibly, nostalgia factor here) / though I have a handful yet to watch, I'll rank him for the time being:

TOP TIER - Brilliant to Great

1 - Pieta ★★★★★
2 - 3-Iron ★★★★★
3 - The Isle ★★★★¼
4 - Address Unknown ★★★★¼

SECOND TIER - Decent to Acceptable

5 - Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter and...Spring ★★★★
6 - Samaritan Girl ★★★★
7 - The Coast Guard ★★★¼
8 - Bad Guy ★★★¼

FINAL TIER - Mediocre

9 - Arirang ★★★
10 - Birdcage Inn ★★¼
11 - Wild Animals ★★
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Bin-jip/3-Iron had a theatrical release in The Netherlands by its 'translated' Korean title i.e. "Bin-jip" (meaning: Empty House), while all the other films traditionally go by there English equivalents. I was assuming the Korean title was used in most countries that released the film... But based on your contributions I conclude 3-Iron is more appropriate to use in an international community. So I will edit my original post. ;)
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Dimitris Psachos wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 2:38 pm
Dimitris ... I did not realize you were our very own Dimitris. Welcome back!
Yeah, the one and only who annoys almost all forums in existence :whistling:
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Welcome back all the same! Great to have you here again.
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1. Bin-jip (2004) 10/10
2. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring (2003) 9/10
3. Samaria (2004) 8/10
4. Seom (2000) 7/10
5. Address Unknown (2001) 7/10
6. Hwal (2005) 7/10
7. The Birdcage Inn (1998) 6/10
8. Bad Guy (2001) 6/10
9. The Coast Guard (2002) 5/10
10. Pieta (2012) 4/10
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Onderhond wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 7:58 am
07. 4.0* - Human, Space, Time and Human [Inkan, Gongkan, Sikan Grigo Inkan] (#342)
08. 4.0* - The Isle [Seom] (#657)
09. 4.0* - Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring [Bom Yeoreum Gaeul Gyeoul Geurigo Bom]
10. 4.0* - Samaritan Girl [Samaria]
11. 4.0* - Address Unknown [Suchwiin Bulmyeong]
12. 4.0* - Time [Shi Gan]
13. 4.0* - Wild Animals [Yasaeng Dongmul Bohoguyeog]
Just curious as to how you decide the cutoff for your favourite films list with films that have the same rank. I do the same thing, but I'm interested in your process/reasoning.
Onderhond wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 7:58 am I have Dissolve lying here (but doesn't look too appealing to be honest), the only one left after that is Stop. Quite hard to find, hints are welcomed!
Is this it Onderhond?
If it is, it was just added to YouTube early last month, and has custom English and German subs translated from the given Korean ones.


Edit: Oh Shit, it might have literally just been taken down from YouTube. I still have it open in another tab, maybe I can download it.

Edit 2: Nevermind, it's also a Russian dub. I'll figure out how I can extract just the subs, though, in case a real copy shows up somewhere.

Edit 3: Okay, it seems the video is still on YT, I don't know why the preview was telling me otherwise. I also downloaded it (360p, 269MB) and the subtitles (original Korean, custom English, custom German, but not the auto-generated Russian) just in case.
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I've also only seen the "Big Two" :P

1. 8.0 - Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring
2. 7.8 - 3-Iron

Saw the first one summer of 2005, I think I rented it from the local video store. It was definitely something that was fairly widely marketed in Canada at the time, though I don't know why, and many of my friends knew about it even though none of us were film buffs.
Saw the other one a few years ago.

Liked both, and I have a couple more Kims lying around (The Bow, which is nominated for DTC this year by the way, and Pieta), but I never seem to be in the mood to watch either of them.
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Fergenaprido wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 9:23 pm Just curious as to how you decide the cutoff for your favourite films list with films that have the same rank. I do the same thing, but I'm interested in your process/reasoning.
It's nothing magical I'm afraid.

I consider all my 4* ratings personal favorites. The reason I don't have them all listed is a bit of personal gamification that helps me with prioritizing rewatches and reviewing the ones missing from my site. So my current top 650 is all reviewed, then I add batches of 25 and rewatch the ones missing a review. If I still love em, I'll write one up, if not I remove them from my master list. Once I'm done with that batch of 25, I add the next 25.

I rewatch one film every two weeks, that's about 26 rewatches per year, so at the start of the year I make a ranking up until where I'll end up by the end of that year (which saves me some time with ranking, though less every year). The goal is to have all my favorites reviewed and ranked, I should get there in about 10 years from now (though realistically it'll be slightly faster than that, since the lower ranked ones are more prone to dropping off).
Onderhond wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 7:58 am Edit 3: Okay, it seems the video is still on YT, I don't know why the preview was telling me otherwise. I also downloaded it (360p, 269MB) and the subtitles (original Korean, custom English, custom German, but not the auto-generated Russian) just in case.
Well, if anyone can get a better (non-dubbed) source, that'd be splendid!
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Like many, I first discovered Kim Ki-duk when I saw Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... (at the SF International) This experience was enriched by Having a chance to hear Kim speak about the film afterward (He was in love with cinema), and I saw Bin Jip (3 Iron) under the same circumstances a couple of years later. In between, I was able to get my hands on a dvd of The Isle, and very quickly, Kim became one of my favorite filmmakers working at that time.

I don't think his work continued quite at the same level, but I also liked Samaria, and Soom, though my interest began to fade with Bi-mong, and Geumul (I did like Pieta, which I also saw more recently). The 6 that I liked all score between 7+ and 8+ for me, which is very good, but the two I didn't like get a mild thumbs down (below a 5).

I really like his unique, unpredictable imagination and style which differentiates his work (even that containing more typical South Korean themes) from his contemporaries.

I also really want to see Hwal and Shi gan from what seems to be part of his best period.
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Well, I'll take the liberty of ranking someone who made the top tier of my Best Directors list. I certainly think he's the most underrated filmmaker I've come across: writer-director John Sayles, best known for community-based dramas that feature large ensembles and realistic dialogue. His movies often focus on the concerns of the social historian (class, race, gender), but not in the way that the "message" movies of Hollywood do, by beating you over the head with a message. Certainly, it's hard to think of an American director in the postwar era who has focused as much on labor relations. Unfortunately, Sayles hasn't directed a movie since 2013. He spent his entire career financing his own movies by writing the occasional studio script and doing plenty of anonymous punch-ups on more high-profile movies. Perhaps this well of financing has dried up, but it's also possible that he's just become more interested in writing for the page (he recently released his fifth novel).

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Lone Star

Very Good
The Brother from Another Planet
Matewan
Eight Men Out
City of Hope
The Secret of Roan Inish
Amigo

Good
Lianna
Limbo
Sunshine State
Casa de los Babys
Silver City
Go for Sisters

OK
Passion Fish
Honeydripper

Misfires
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Onderhond wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 2:49 pm
OldAle1 wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 1:59 pm when I was just dipping my toe into Korean film around 2006-7
I guess that explains a bit, because that's pretty late. By then the hype was already dying down here.
Yup, and Kim got .. artsier?

8,5/10
3-Iron (2004)
Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring (2003)
8/10
The Bow (2005)

7-7,5/10
The Isle (2000)
Pieta (2012)
Samaritan Girl (2004)
Time (2006)
Breath (2007)
The Coast Guard (2002)
Moebius (2013)

6/10ish
Bad Guy (2001)
Crocodile (1996)

5/10ish
Real Fiction (2000)
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This is a great thread. Probably a little late for me to reopen Hitchcock and Wilder, although both are very high on my directors list for our annual poll and are well represented in the high levels of my all time favourite films list.

From Sayles, I remember liking Lone Star, though details have faded over time. The other two I've seen - Brother from Another Planet, and City of Hope - didn't do much for me.

Like some others, the only Kim Ki-duk films I've seen are his two highest profile works: 3-Iron and Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter ... and Spring. 3-Iron was impressive (8/10), Spring etc. would fall in my good but not great category, maybe 7 or 7.5/10. Given my interest in recent Korean film, I should explore more of his work - something to keep in mind for the challenge in August.
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