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Like Torgo I've just seen a few, and like him I've been attracted to those with Soledad Miranda (l) . I hadn't seen any until a couple of years ago and then I watched the bottom film on my list because I was going through the whole Mabuse series - something few others have bothered with judging by check numbers. SAD they're a lot of fun - except for the Franco, which confirmed some of the negatives I'd heard about him. But that didn't stop me from watching a couple more for a challenge, and they were good enough that I'm interested in at least catching a few more that "feel" interesting - I have around 15-20 I think downloaded and I may even have some DVDs. Gosh if I couldn't get all my stuff organized over the past year, I guess I never will. Anyway -

GOOD
1. Vampyros Lesbos

OK
2. De Sade 70 / Eugenie

NOT SO GOOD
3. She Killed in Ecstasy

POOR
4. Dr. M schlägt zu / The Vengeance of Dr. Mabuse
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Franco is one whose output has escaped me so far. Like Fergenaprido, I may see some of his work eventually but he's not high on my current target list.
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Oh boy... Mr. Franco... I've seen a decent number of his films but still have barely scratched the surface of his massive, nearly 200-movie filmography. I have come across some I've actively quite liked, usually the ones with more psychedelic, experimental techniques. I will say, even his worst films (and he's got some absolutely awful films) usually have something at least a little interesting about them or a brief flash of brilliance in them. I mean, Orson Welles handpicked him to handle assistant directing duties on Chimes at Midnight on the strength of his films. I honestly think Franco was technically capable of making a truly great film but was so driven by his eccentric passions and desire to continually shoot that he would get bored with a project and move on before ensuring what he was currently doing was fully baked.

Top Tier
The Awful Dr. Orlof (1962)
The Diabolical Dr. Z (1966)
Necronomicon - Geträumte Sünden a.k.a. Succubus (1968)
Venus in Furs (1969)
Vampyros Lesbos (1971)
Blue Rita (1977)
Night Has a Thousand Desires (1984)

Mid Tier
Tenemos 18 años (1959)
Sadistic Baron Vol Klaus (1962)
Attack of the Robots (1966)
Lucky, the Inscrutable (1967)
The Blood of Fu Manchu (1968)
The Girl from Rio (1969)
Marquis de Sade: Justine (1969)
Count Dracula (1970)
The Erotic Rites of Frankenstein (1972)
The Demons (1973)
Girls in the Night Traffic (1976)
Bloody Moon (1981)
Faceless (1987)

Bottom Tier
99 Women (1969)
The Castle of Fu Manchu (1969)
Women Behind Bars (1975)
White Cannibal Queen (1980)
Devil Hunter (1980)
Mansion of the Living Dead (1982)
El mirón y la exhibicionista (1986)
Oasis of the Zombies (1982)
Sadomania (1981)
Vampire Junction (2001)
Paula-Paula (2010)
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Nice! I clearly need to rewatch Vampyros Lesbos. It was maybe the first Franco I saw, long ago, as it is his most talked about movie amongst cult afficionados, and i think it should be higher for me too. I'm also picking some titles to prioritize from your rankings, we seem to be on the same page regarding what Franco is all about!
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Seen none, but aware of his name and reputation. Not a big fan of old pulp though.
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Jesús Franco

Big fan. He's certainly made some trash, but when he was at his best he managed to create a great mix of eroticism and atmospheric, surreal fever dreams, the more confusing the better, that few others come close to. An acquired taste for sure, so I really need to rewatch some of the early ones I saw before "embracing Jesus".


Top stuff
1. Vampyros lesbos (1971)
2. Mil sexos tiene la noche / Night of 1,000 Sexes (1984)
3. La comtesse noire / Female Vampire (1973)
4. Eugenie (Historia de una perversión) / Erotismo (1980) Spanish version
5. Les cauchemars naissent la nuit / Nightmares Come at Night (1970)
6. Ópalo de fuego: Mercaderes del sexo / Two Female Spies with Flowered Panties (1980)
7. Die Marquise von Sade / Das Bildnis der Doriana Gray / Doriana Gray (1976)
8. Greta - Haus ohne Männer / Ilsa, the Wicked Warden (1977)
9. Eugenie / De Sade 70 (1970)
10. Un silencio de tumba / A Silence of the Grave (1972)
11. Paroxismus / Venus in Furs (1969)
12. La mano de un hombre muerto / The Sadistic Baron Von Klaus (1962)
13. Sinfonía erótica (1980)
14. L'éventreur de Notre-Dame / Exorcism (1975)
15. Gritos en la noche / L'horrible Docteur Orlof (1962)

Also like a lot
16. Sie tötete in Ekstase / She Killed in Ecstasy (1971)
17. Le journal intime d'une nymphomane / Sinner: The Secret Diary of a Nymphomaniac (1973)
18. Kiss Me Killer (1974)
19. Lust for Frankenstein (1998)
20. Tenemos 18 años / We Are 18 Years Old (1959)

Good to OK
21. La comtesse perverse (1974)
22. Drácula contra Frankenstein (1972)
23. Die Liebesbriefe einer portugiesischen Nonne / Love Letters of a Portuguese Nun (1977)
24. Nachts, wenn Dracula erwacht / Count Dracula (1970)
25. La maldición de Frankenstein / The Erotic Rites of Frankenstein (1973)
26. Labios rojos / Red Lips (1960)
27. Jack the Ripper (1976)
28. Der Ruf der blonden Göttin / Voodoo Passion (1977)
29. Plaisir à trois / How to Seduce a Virgin (1974)
30. Die Sieben Männer der Sumuru / The Girl from Rio (1969)
31. Miss Muerte / Le diabolique docteur Z (1966)
32. El secreto del Dr. Orloff / Dr. Jekyll's Mistresses (1964)
33. Sadomania - Hölle der Lust (1981)
34. Eugénie / Eugenie de Sade (1970)
35. Dr. M schlägt zu (1972)
36. Maciste contre la reine des Amazones / Karzan contro le donne dal seno nudo (1974)
37. Frauen für Zellenblock 9 / Women in Cellblock 9 (1977)
38. 99 Women / Der heiße Tod (1969)

Been too long - Things I expect to like better on a rewatch, so ignore the ranking
39. Christina, princesse de l'érotisme / La nuit des étoiles filantes (1973)
40. Al otro lado del espejo / The Obscene Mirror (1973)
41. Necronomicon - Geträumte Sünden / Succubus (1968)
42. La fille de Dracula / Daughter of Dracula (1972)
43. Das Frauenhaus / Blue Rita (1977)

Didn't like
44. Célestine... bonne à tout faire / Celestine, Maid at Your Service (1974)
45. Marquis de Sade: Justine / Justine (1969)
46. Weiße Haut und schwarze Schenkel / White Skin Black Thighs (1976)
47. El caníbal / Devil Hunter (1980)
48. Frauengefängnis / Barbed Wire Dolls (1975)
49. La noche de los asesinos / Night of the Assassins (1974)
50. Der Teufel kam aus Akasava / The Devil Came from Akasava (1971)

Awful
51. Paula-Paula (2010)
52. Die Säge des Todes / Bloody Moon (1981)
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So "Mil sexos tiene la noche" seems like my first priority right now!

it seems we have:
those who didn't watch any
those who watched a few and liked soledad miranda mostly
those who watched around 30 or more who like titles like Venus in Furs, Nightmares come at Night and Necronomicon best
:)
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:D on my predecessor(s)!

A more modest contribution from my side to Jesús Franco or should we call him Jess Franco, Franco Manera, Frank Hollmann, James, P. Johnson, D. Khunne or Clifford Brown. The man himself has as many aliases as most of his films... :)

Not a great fan myself, but I can appreciate and value the qualities mentioned before me: set designs, use of colour and choice of a specific actress...

I'm surprised only five of his films have an "official" status.

★★★½ | 7.6
01. Vampiros Lesbos | Dracula's Heiress

★★★¼ | 7.2
02. Paroxismus | Venus in Furs

★★★ | 6.8
03. The Diabolical Dr. Z | Miss Muerte

★★¾ | 6.4
04. Gritos en la Noche | The Awful Dr. Orlof

★★½ | 6.0
05. Necronomicon: Geträumte Sünden | Succubus
06. Sie Tötete in Ekstase

★★¼ | 5.5
07. Marquis de Sade's Justine

★★ | 5.0
08. Eugenie
09. L'Éventreur de Notre-Dame | Demoniac

★¾ | 4.5
10. Nachts, wenn Dracula Erwacht

I guess I don't have any of the missing titles on my wish-/watchlist, but if there ever comes a moment that I run out of films and decide to watch another J. Franco film I will keep your suggestions in mind.
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insomnius wrote: June 9th, 2021, 11:57 am Image
I've got both of those books. Really great stuff! Stephen Thrower is a great writer that I actively seek out works by.
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Onderhond wrote: June 9th, 2021, 7:50 am Seen none, but aware of his name and reputation. Not a big fan of old pulp though.
His early to mid-60s stuff is more pulpy thriller. In the late '60s he started getting much more strange and erotic, experimenting with visuals and sound. I actually think you should try one like Venus in Furs or Vampyros Lesbos. They aren't dissimilar to some of the more surreal Asian films you've said you liked.
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flavo5000 wrote: June 9th, 2021, 1:02 pm
insomnius wrote: June 9th, 2021, 11:57 am
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I've got both of those books. Really great stuff! Stephen Thrower is a great writer that I actively seek out works by.
:cheers:
I'm still going through the first one, but yeah, great stuff. I've been eyeing his Fulci book too. Might pick it up some day if the price is right.
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insomnius wrote: June 9th, 2021, 2:07 pm
flavo5000 wrote: June 9th, 2021, 1:02 pm
insomnius wrote: June 9th, 2021, 11:57 am
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I've got both of those books. Really great stuff! Stephen Thrower is a great writer that I actively seek out works by.
:cheers:
I'm still going through the first one, but yeah, great stuff. I've been eyeing his Fulci book too. Might pick it up some day if the price is right.
It's well worth it IMO. Nightmare USA is my favorite of his. They're all just gargantuan books.
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Y U M E wrote: June 9th, 2021, 12:17 pm I'm surprised only five of his films have an "official" status.
I have tried to have discussions on lists of these kind of movies needing official status before, but then there are always some people that feel the need to pull those discussions towards porn. Which is kinda missing the point, even if Franco did indeed also direct porn... so it is a losing battle, untill more people start to get into the spirit ;)
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What did someone say anything about a film including a nude actor because we absolutely MUST have the 500-title Sleazoid list officialized guys

...
:P
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beavis wrote: June 9th, 2021, 2:49 pm
Y U M E wrote: June 9th, 2021, 12:17 pm I'm surprised only five of his films have an "official" status.
I have tried to have discussions on lists of these kind of movies needing official status before, but then there are always some people that feel the need to pull those discussions towards porn. Which is kinda missing the point, even if Franco did indeed also direct porn... so it is a losing battle, untill more people start to get into the spirit ;)
I really want to adopt a global weird cinema type list like the WorldWeird Cinema list on ICM (although that specific list isn't as curated as it seems... I actually talked to the guy that made it). I've got a couple of leads of potential options to push maybe.
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Sounds promising!
I "know" Jared from the time we were both active members on the Cinehound forum, he was always enthusiastic and nice, would be cool if he was open to curate something that could enhance the cult side of icm. World weird / weird asia is an angle, grindhouse/trash/erotica is another (and one that could replace a list already official)...so better make sure before hand that it makes sense...
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flavo5000 wrote: June 9th, 2021, 1:04 pm His early to mid-60s stuff is more pulpy thriller. In the late '60s he started getting much more strange and erotic, experimenting with visuals and sound. I actually think you should try one like Venus in Furs or Vampyros Lesbos. They aren't dissimilar to some of the more surreal Asian films you've said you liked.
I'm sure I'll get around to it someday :)
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beavis wrote: June 9th, 2021, 3:31 pm Sounds promising!
I "know" Jared from the time we were both active members on the Cinehound forum, he was always enthusiastic and nice, would be cool if he was open to curate something that could enhance the cult side of icm. World weird / weird asia is an angle, grindhouse/trash/erotica is another (and one that could replace a list already official)...so better make sure before hand that it makes sense...
Yea, unfortunately he said he didn't really feel like building a list like that right now. I'm wondering if Pete Tombs himself would though. :think:
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Let's look at someone who is possibly the forum's most widely-seen Sub-Saharan director: Ousmane Sembene from Senegal. With only 9 features and 4 shorts to his name, there may be some folks here who have completed his filmography.

1. 7.8 - Moolaadé (2004)
2. 7.6 - Camp de Thiaroye [Camp at Thiaroye] (1988)
3. 7.6 - Ceddo [The Outsiders] (1977)
x. 7.6 - Borom sarret [The Wagoner] (1963)
4. 7.4 - Xala (1975)
5. 6.6 - La noire de... [Black Girl] (1966)

I anticipate Black Girl will be the forum favourite, but it's the one I connected with the least. Mind you, it was also the first one I saw, so perhaps a rewatch is in order. Sembene is a director whose filmography I intend to complete, since I believe everything of his is available with English subtitles, albeit not always in the best picture quality.
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Again, none seen. No real interest in watching one either.
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Interesting pick. Will have to watch a couple of them one day, for several reasons.
So far, seen exactly one ..

(6/10)
1. La noire de... (1966)

.. which got enormous hype by a forum member not too long ago. I finally saw it last autumn and found it to be a very thin film with messages that did just nothing for me, but quite beautiful 60s b/w photography. Well. Still very interested in Camp & Moolaadé - when time is ready.
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1. La noire de... a.k.a Black Girl 8/10
2. Mandabi a.k.a. The Money Order

3. Emitai 7/10
4. Moolaadé

5. Camp de Thiaroye 6/10
6. Xala
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One of my very favorites, and the first African director that I was able to see much from. Roughly tied with Youssef Chahine as my favorite director from the continent, and I'm fairly solid on these rankings, though several have not been seen since the 90s.

* seen in cinema
+ seen more than once

TOP TIER
1. Moolaadé (top 100-200 worthy)
2. Xala+
3. Ceddo*+
4. La noire de....*+

EXCELLENT
5. Camp de Thiaroye*
6. Guelwaar*
7. Emitaï
8. Faat kiné
9. Mandabi*

VERY GOOD
10. Borom Sarret (short)
11. Niaye (short)
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I've seen most of Ousmane Sembene's films (still haven't seen Camp de Thiaroye or Faat Kiné. While most of them I'd consider at least pretty good. I don't think any of them I'd consider favorites.
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Sembene is the only sub-Saharan African director for whom I've seen multiple films, although his style hasn't completely connected with me. Hopefully I'll get around to watching Mambety's second most acclaimed film (Hyenes) relatively soon, but others would likely present more of a challenge.

Great

Very Good

Good
La noire de .../Black Girl (1966)
Xala (1975)

Above Average
Borom Sarret (1963)

Okay
Ceddo (1977)

Not Good
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No, haven't seen them all :) and what I've seen was not very inspiring for me. but I've been meaning to check out the others for ages regardless, if only to find out what i'm missing...

1. Camp de Thiaroye - 7.5
2. La Noire De... - 6.5
3. Mandabi - 6.5
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I've actually seen all his films except "Tauw" but I usually only rank feature films anyway.

1. Camp de Thiaroye - 9/10
2. La Noire de... - 8/10
3. Ceddo - 8/10
4. Moolaadé - 8/10
5. Xala - 7.5/10
6. Mandabi - 7.5/10
7. Emitai - 7.5/10
8. Guelwaar - 7/10
9. Faat-Kiné - 6/10
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Ousmane Sembene

Very good
1. Camp de Thiaroye (1988)

Good
2. La noire de... (1966)
3. Mandabi (1968)

Didn't care for
4. Emitai (1971)
5. Xala (1975)
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Solid director for me.

1. Camp de Thiaroye (1988) 8/10
2. La noire de... (1966) 8/10
3. Emitai (1971) 8/10
4. Xala (1975) 7/10
5. Ceddo (1977) 7/10
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Ousmane Sembene

Moolaadé (2004) 7
Camp de Thiaroye (1988)

Black Girl (1966) 6
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Unmistakably an important name in African cinema and as mentioned earlier a director with a relatively great filmography by African standards. I think the best the films by Souleymane Cissé, Djibril Diop Mambéty and Gaston Kaboré are better than those by Ousmane Sembene though.

Ousmane Sembene

★★★¾ | 8.0
01. La Noire de… | The Black Girl (1966)

★★★½ | 7.6
02. Guelwaar (1992)
03. Xala | Impotence (1974)

★★★¼ | 7.2
04. Moolaadé | Magical Protection (2004)

★★★ | 6.8
05. Ceddo | The Outsiders (1977)

N/R
Borom Sarret | The Wagoner (1963) short

Camp de Thiayoré and Faat Kiné still on my watch-/wishlist !
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Abderrahmane Sissako is my favorite African filmmaker at the moment.

That said, Sembene was the first that I learned about, and he is a very important “father figure” for the continent who has also written important books
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I am somewhat mixed on Sembene. The only favourite from the below 6 is Camp de Thiaroye, but with the exception of his more out-there comedy, Xala (which I just couldn't connect with) the others are all of various extents of good.

Brilliant
Camp de Thiaroye (1988)

Good
Emitaï (1971)
La noire de... (1966)
Guelwaar (1992)
Ceddo (1977)

Poor
Xala (1975)
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Torgo wrote: June 13th, 2021, 9:20 pm La noire de... (1966)
.. which got enormous hype by a forum member not too long ago
Seeing the rankings of the last posts, I'm starting to suspect I confused that with some recent appraisal for Mambéty's Hyènes (1992), which may or may not say a lot about me. :facepalm:
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flavo5000 wrote: June 17th, 2021, 12:55 pm Did you see that Severin Films has several Eloy de la Iglesia films coming out in August on blu-ray? They've got stand-alone releases of Cannibal Man and No One Heard the Scream and a 2-disc set that includes Navajaros, El Pico and El Pico 2. I'm pretty jazzed about them. I never would have expected a director like Eloy de la Iglesia would be given such big treatment on blu-ray.
So let's rank Eloy de la Iglesia!

I've only seen one (just recently):
1. 7.6 - Los novios búlgaros [Bulgarian Lovers] (2003)

Of the remaining 21 films, I'm most interested in seeing Colegas.
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Only seen Cannibal Man at the moment... so nothing to rank sadly
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Fergenaprido wrote: June 17th, 2021, 9:19 pm
flavo5000 wrote: June 17th, 2021, 12:55 pm Did you see that Severin Films has several Eloy de la Iglesia films coming out in August on blu-ray? They've got stand-alone releases of Cannibal Man and No One Heard the Scream and a 2-disc set that includes Navajaros, El Pico and El Pico 2. I'm pretty jazzed about them. I never would have expected a director like Eloy de la Iglesia would be given such big treatment on blu-ray.
So let's rank Eloy de la Iglesia!

I've only seen one (just recently):
1. 7.6 - Los novios búlgaros [Bulgarian Lovers] (2003)

Of the remaining 21 films, I'm most interested in seeing Colegas.
I've also seen only Cannibal Man (which is pretty good, especially compared to some of the other video nasties). I'm afraid he's going to be too obscure for most people. That's why I called out how big a deal it is that Severin is releasing like five of his movies in one month.
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Never even heard the name nor any of the films. The Cannibal Man (1972) also turns out to be the only official one. The filmography indeed has a few films from 500 to 1000 votes, so not insanely lost in the filmverse as it seems, but they all score somewhere around 5.7-6.6.

Gonna pass that one. ;)
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Post by AB537 »

Eloy de la Iglesia is one I'm not really familiar with at all. Seen the name maybe a couple of times but don't know anything about his films, and couldn't name any if pressed (and not looking at others' posts above mine).
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Post by Y U M E »

So you're suggesting to rank someone you have seen only one film of yourself (and likely this will be the case for the most of the users contending). Appears to me as a waste of time...

★★★¼ | 7.2
La Semana del Asesino | Cannibal Man
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