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V tumane AKA In the Fog (2012) FotW #372

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Film of the Week #372: V tumane AKA In the Fog (2012)

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Western frontiers of the USSR, 1942. The region is under German occupation. A man is wrongly accused of collaboration. Desperate to save his dignity, he faces impossible moral choice.

#165 on 500<400, with 241 checks.
Nominated by blocho, pitchorneirda and joachimt.
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#165(NEW) V tumane (2012)
[In the Fog]

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Directed by: Sergey Loznitsa
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This is a great film that 4 of us from the 500<400 have voted among our top 15 in that poll. Looking forward to more people discovering it, and really can't fathom its imdv rating.
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cinewest wrote: February 15th, 2021, 10:39 am This is a great film that 4 of us from the 500<400 have voted among our top 15 in that poll. Looking forward to more people discovering it, and really can't fathom its imdv rating.
About the IMDb rating, there might be politics (Russia vs. Ukraine) involved, as Loznitsa directed "Maidan" not so long after that
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pitchorneirda wrote: February 15th, 2021, 12:45 pm
cinewest wrote: February 15th, 2021, 10:39 am This is a great film that 4 of us from the 500<400 have voted among our top 15 in that poll. Looking forward to more people discovering it, and really can't fathom its imdv rating.
About the IMDb rating, there might be politics (Russia vs. Ukraine) involved, as Loznitsa directed "Maidan" not so long after that
IMDb is on par with my own rating, good but nothing great. If it was distorted for political reasons or whatever there would be plentiful of 1 ratings but there are not.
I loved My Joy from the same director though (and with same IMDb rating...).
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hurluberlu wrote: February 15th, 2021, 9:34 pm
pitchorneirda wrote: February 15th, 2021, 12:45 pm
cinewest wrote: February 15th, 2021, 10:39 am This is a great film that 4 of us from the 500<400 have voted among our top 15 in that poll. Looking forward to more people discovering it, and really can't fathom its imdv rating.
About the IMDb rating, there might be politics (Russia vs. Ukraine) involved, as Loznitsa directed "Maidan" not so long after that
IMDb is on par with my own rating, good but nothing great. If it was distorted for political reasons or whatever there would be plentiful of 1 ratings but there are not.
I loved My Joy from the same director though (and with same IMDb rating...).
There are a few of us here who disagree with your assessment, and I consider Loznitsa one of the best filmmakers working these days on the basis of the 3 films I’ve seen by him, My Joy included.
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cinewest wrote: February 16th, 2021, 12:43 pm
hurluberlu wrote: February 15th, 2021, 9:34 pm
pitchorneirda wrote: February 15th, 2021, 12:45 pm

About the IMDb rating, there might be politics (Russia vs. Ukraine) involved, as Loznitsa directed "Maidan" not so long after that
IMDb is on par with my own rating, good but nothing great. If it was distorted for political reasons or whatever there would be plentiful of 1 ratings but there are not.
I loved My Joy from the same director though (and with same IMDb rating...).
There are a few of us here who disagree with your assessment, and I consider Loznitsa one of the best filmmakers working these days on the basis of the 3 films I’ve seen by him, My Joy included. In fact, I think so highly of Loznitsa that he is one of my prime candidates for filmmaker of the decade (the 2010's). He made 4 features, and 11 documentaries (half feature length) during that time, and if a couple more hold up to what I have already seen by him (some sound very promising), he's a shoe in.
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cinewest wrote: February 16th, 2021, 3:59 pm
cinewest wrote: February 16th, 2021, 12:43 pm
hurluberlu wrote: February 15th, 2021, 9:34 pm

IMDb is on par with my own rating, good but nothing great. If it was distorted for political reasons or whatever there would be plentiful of 1 ratings but there are not.
I loved My Joy from the same director though (and with same IMDb rating...).
There are a few of us here who disagree with your assessment, and I consider Loznitsa one of the best filmmakers working these days on the basis of the 3 films I’ve seen by him, My Joy included. In fact, I think so highly of Loznitsa that he is one of my prime candidates for filmmaker of the decade (the 2010's). He made 4 features, and 11 documentaries (half feature length) during that time, and if a couple more hold up to what I have already seen by him (some sound very promising), he's a shoe in.
His recent, long-feature documentaries on Moscow 1930 Industrial Party Trial (The Trial) and Staline's death (State Funeral) are well worth a watch.
He is on my top 20 of 2010s director definitely.
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hurluberlu wrote: February 16th, 2021, 5:48 pm
cinewest wrote: February 16th, 2021, 3:59 pm
cinewest wrote: February 16th, 2021, 12:43 pm

There are a few of us here who disagree with your assessment, and I consider Loznitsa one of the best filmmakers working these days on the basis of the 3 films I’ve seen by him, My Joy included. In fact, I think so highly of Loznitsa that he is one of my prime candidates for filmmaker of the decade (the 2010's). He made 4 features, and 11 documentaries (half feature length) during that time, and if a couple more hold up to what I have already seen by him (some sound very promising), he's a shoe in.
His recent, long-feature documentaries on Moscow 1930 Industrial Party Trial (The Trial) and Staline's death (State Funeral) are well worth a watch.
He is on my top 20 of 2010s director definitely.
What 10-20 filmmakers have produced more interesting work in the last ten years?
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cinewest wrote: February 17th, 2021, 9:07 am
hurluberlu wrote: February 16th, 2021, 5:48 pm
cinewest wrote: February 16th, 2021, 3:59 pm
His recent, long-feature documentaries on Moscow 1930 Industrial Party Trial (The Trial) and Staline's death (State Funeral) are well worth a watch.
He is on my top 20 of 2010s director definitely.
What 10-20 filmmakers have produced more interesting work in the last ten years?
"Interesting" is all relative
Bing Wang, Christian Petzold, Céline Sciamma, Terrence Malick, Arnaud Desplechin, Wes Anderson, Ruben Östlund, Pablo Larraín, Kelly Reichardt... and Christopher Nolan of course
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One of my faves, very Bressonian.
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hurluberlu wrote: February 17th, 2021, 6:56 pm
cinewest wrote: February 17th, 2021, 9:07 am
hurluberlu wrote: February 16th, 2021, 5:48 pm

His recent, long-feature documentaries on Moscow 1930 Industrial Party Trial (The Trial) and Staline's death (State Funeral) are well worth a watch.
He is on my top 20 of 2010s director definitely.
What 10-20 filmmakers have produced more interesting work in the last ten years?
"Interesting" is all relative
Bing Wang, Christian Petzold, Céline Sciamma, Terrence Malick, Arnaud Desplechin, Wes Anderson, Ruben Östlund, Pablo Larraín, Kelly Reichardt... and Christopher Nolan of course
I like a lot of the filmmakers you have mentioned (in fact we seem to share similar taste), but I’m not sure that any have outstripped Loznitsa in terms of number and quality of productions in the past ten years.
Have you seen A Gentle Creature or Donbass?
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cinewest wrote: February 18th, 2021, 6:03 am
hurluberlu wrote: February 17th, 2021, 6:56 pm
cinewest wrote: February 17th, 2021, 9:07 am

What 10-20 filmmakers have produced more interesting work in the last ten years?
"Interesting" is all relative
Bing Wang, Christian Petzold, Céline Sciamma, Terrence Malick, Arnaud Desplechin, Wes Anderson, Ruben Östlund, Pablo Larraín, Kelly Reichardt... and Christopher Nolan of course
I like a lot of the filmmakers you have mentioned (in fact we seem to share similar taste), but I’m not sure that any have outstripped Loznitsa in terms of number and quality of productions in the past ten years.
Have you seen A Gentle Creature or Donbass?
I have seen A Gentle Creature but it lost me with its grotesque, over-long finale, a la Fellini. He is a gifted director and his films are comprehensive cinematic experiences, that is for sure.
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Good atmosphere with slow plot progression (and still quite a lot of repetition in the dialogue).
I liked it but wasn't completely grabbed. Visually also not outstanding.
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This movie takes its time. The oft-repeated rule of thumb is one page of script for each minute of movie. But I'm guessing that the script of this 127-minute movie was 40 pages or less. Not that that's a problem. It's a slow burn. And like the best resistance movies, it's not about action or heroism but rather about dread and impossible choices. The first third is nearly perfect. Unfortunately, after that, I think the movie loses some of its tension through a series of character choices that are unexplained and make little sense.
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matthewscott8 wrote: February 17th, 2021, 9:12 pm One of my faves, very Bressonian.
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