personally I might lack a Duras in my top 10 or an Antonioni, both directors are very important for me (so India Song or La Notte then), a top 10 is always too small to be inclusive, that is why I also make longer lists

I doubt there's anybody who is Onderhond's opposite here, though it's possible his taste is the most divergent from the "norm", if that could be measured somehow. Somebody with no interest in East Asian cinema or much of anything made after the 1980s I guess, but I can't think of anybody like that here (IRL yes - I have a friend who won't watch anything at all made after 1980 and the only foreign stuff he typically watches is French noir and 30s-40s stuff, and maybe some Italian spy movies). I'm with you probably overall - I definitely overlap with him on enough films to make his opinions on certain things worthwhile to me, particularly anime and maybe more mainstream crime/drama stuff. We're pretty different in our taste for action and big FX-driven things, and maybe horror - apart from the typical difference in our approach to anything older, obviously.joachimt wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 3:11 pm Every time I think Onderhond and I are miles apart movie-wise, something surprises me. I've seen 5 of his top 10. I favorited 2 of those 5: Enter the Void and Reconstruction. Tetsuo used to be a favorite as well, but not anymore when I rewatched it.
I watchlisted Dolls.
Yeah that's probably it for the most part, though we all ought to be used to having people disagree with our own tastes if we know anybody who isn't a hardcore cineaste either IRL or online; I mean most of the lists here contain mostly or entirely films that Joe Sixpack hasn't heard of, doesn't want to know about, and will just thing you're a weirdo for liking. Almost nobody IRL would know any of my top 10 except for #1, and that's only because it's fairly recent.Onderhond wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 3:56 pm I get the impression it's because I actively dislike many films on people's favorite lists, rather than people disliking many films on my favorites list (though I'm sure that's also because there's some obscure genre work that would people here would dislike when they actually watched it). Which is completely normal of course![]()
Thank you for posting your Top 10. Makes me feel like I won't be ridiculed mercilessly for my Top 10 because we share so much.
I think most cinephiles aren't that used to people disagreeing with their taste to be honest, at least not actively. Usually there's the excuse that the other party hasn't seen a film or enough films from a certain director to make a real argument, meaning regular Joe's Top 10 looks the way it does simply because he hasn't seen "better" films. In my experience, cinephiles deal pretty badly with statements like "Hitchcock is too obvious" or "Kurosawa's action scenes are bland", especially when their first go-to excuse isn't panning out.OldAle1 wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 4:10 pm though we all ought to be used to having people disagree with our own tastes if we know anybody who isn't a hardcore cineaste either IRL or online; I mean most of the lists here contain mostly or entirely films that Joe Sixpack hasn't heard of, doesn't want to know about, and will just thing you're a weirdo for liking. Almost nobody IRL would know any of my top 10 except for #1, and that's only because it's fairly recent.
I've seen it in some HK and anime fans, but they never really ventured outside of their niche, so you don't really run into them unless you're into a specific niche. I'm a bit more strong-willed than most in keeping on wanting to explore certain niches, even when I don't really like them and I don't cover up my opinions to avoid discussions either.
I can relate to this.mightysparks wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 12:17 am It's unlikely my top 10 will ever be made of films I saw after I was 20 (I've only given one 10/10 since then), except for maybe when I'm in my 50s/60s and they've had time to marinade and prove themselves, so it hasn't changed a lot over the years.
Disgusting!
Well, I'd consider #3, 4, 5 and 7 mainstream. 'Mainstream trash' is kind of an iCM meme.outdoorcats wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:46 pmIs this what's considered mainstream trash on ICM?Lammetje wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 10:00 am 1. The Godfather (1972)
2. 12 Angry Men (1957)
3. Titanic (1997)
4. The Shawshank Redemption (1994)
5. A Beautiful Mind (2001)
6. The Sting (1973)
7. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003)
8. Sen to Chihiro no kamikakushi (2001)
9. Bakushû (1951)
10. Safety Last! (1923)
Basically a mix of mainstream trash and midbrow.
By the way, here is a thread with miscellaneous top 10s. I'm getting all nostalgic reading through those old posts again...I've seen 8 - not yet seen A Beautiful Mind or Safety Last! - but all films I really like. I'm a HUGE fan of Spirited Away, it's such an amazing film, and it's sort of special to me because I saw it in theaters when I was a kid (of course, it scared the pants off me but also blew my mind).
OldAle1 wrote:I think four Aamir Khan films is enough for me. Unless I'm down to one film left on the IMDb Top 250 at some point and he's in that last film, at which point I'll watch it and then shoot myself having become the official-check-whoring person I hate.
PeacefulAnarchy wrote:Active topics is the devil. Please use the forums and subforums as intended and peruse all the topics nicely sorted by topic, not just the currently popular ones displayed in a jumbled mess.
maxwelldeux wrote:If you asked me to kill my wife and pets OR watch Minions, I'd check the runtime and inquire about sobriety requirements before providing an answer.
Torgo wrote:Lammetje is some kind of hybrid Anna-Kendrick-lamb-entity to me and I find that very cool.
monty wrote:If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. iCM ain't for sissies.
mightysparks wrote:ARGH. RARGH. RARGH. DIE.
Kowry wrote:Thanks, Art Garfunky.
Rich wrote:*runs*
Last Year at Marienbad (1961, Alain Resnais)
Le Bonheur (1965, Agnés Varda)
Children of Paradise (1945, Marcel Carné)
The Parallel Street (1962, Ferdinand Khittl)
Heroic Purgatory (1970, Yoshishige Yoshida)
Brand Upon the Brain (2006, Guy Maddin)
Helas pour moi (1993, Jean-Luc Godard)
Chinese Roulette (1976, Rainer Werner Fassbinder)
Eden and After (1970, Alain Robbe-Grillet)
Pierrot le fou (1965, Jean-Luc Godard)
OK...
Thanks! And only one English spoken movie.
Now if we just knew your age to put this into perspective ..
I heard about Fulton here, from Ale plugging Path of Cessation, but it seems like he has a few fans on here (he's very well represented on pda's experimental list). A bunch of his films are available on this website, unfortunately in faaar from ideal condition:outdoorcats wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:41 pm I've seen 6 and they're all great. I've never heard of Inca Light though the name Robert Fulton rings a bell.
-Oh, right, I still haven't seen a single Naruse. Thanks for the guilty reminder.![]()
-Barry Lyndon was for years my #1 favorite film.
-Vertigo was one of several films I wanted to squeeze into my list, just outside my top 10. It seems weird to leave out a film that I basically think is perfect. But all the films on my list are perfect, so![]()
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I put off Naruse for years too, since I've always found Ozu tough to get into, and he seemed to fit into a similar mold of gently devastating family dramas. But I finally started watching him at the darkest point of my life (so far :p), and everything resonated with me...the flow, the emotion, the sense of life truly captured in cinematic form. I feel like Naruse is to film what George Elliot is to literature. I'm also learning to appreciate Ozu more haha.Ahh so glad you dug it! I'm in a phase right now where I'm getting very easily bored watching narrative films, but find myself drawn back daily to whatever experimentalism I can dredge up from the internet. I've found it resonates more with my experience of the world and interests, especially since I've been so engulfed in experimental videography myself lately. That said, there are very few things that compare to this one. For me it puts Fulton in the realm of Tarkovsky, Kubrick, and Mizoguchi: a total conceptual understanding of the medium's strengths and potential, combined with an out-of-the-box approach to subject more akin to the flow of music than traditional filmmaking, and a mastery of craft that allows him to evoke perfectly what he aims to evoke.
Ah, I've seen fewer than half of yours on the big screen, but one of those was Once Upon a Time in America, which I was lucky enough to catch in an English-dialogue Spanish-subtitle screening in Madrid. Brighter Summer's Day on film is definitely on the bucket list.OldAle1 wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 2:55 pm I've seen all of these films in the cinema except (maybe) #6; you would think I'd remember clearly if I saw that in a theater but I don't - right this second I'd say if pushed that yeah, I did, probably around 1996 or so, but can't be sure. In any case I saw that film and Ordet and The Magnificent Ambersons first on VHS, back in the early 90s probably; the rest were all seen first in 35mm except Out 1 which was seen in it's original 16mm format, and LLL which of course was only shown digitally in commercial release (though I did manage to see it once in 35mm with Chazelle present). The Yang and Rivette films I've only seen in the cinema. The cinema experience is still of overwhelming importance to me and it certainly is a significant part of some of the best viewings on this list including the first viewings of the top 4 films, and in packed or sell-out environments with great audiences.
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Hear hear. On that note, nice to see more love for Lebowski from clem.mightysparks wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 10:09 pm Also people need to stop being so concerned about their list being 'mainstream'Being a cinephile is about loving film, not showing off how obscure and strange you are. Be proud of your love for everything.
Damn those movies looked so good.
Yes, watch the original version! NaushikaFergenaprido wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:29 pm 8.8 Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind (1984 JAP Miyazaki) (1) - I've seen the English dub, but I want to see the original Japanese version with subtitles.
OMG, someone with less checks than me!
Maybe you can fill up that number 8 spot soon!
I like to show off my mainstream trash among snobs.mightysparks wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 10:09 pm Also people need to stop being so concerned about their list being 'mainstream'Being a cinephile is about loving film, not showing off how obscure and strange you are. Be proud of your love for everything.
OldAle1 wrote:I think four Aamir Khan films is enough for me. Unless I'm down to one film left on the IMDb Top 250 at some point and he's in that last film, at which point I'll watch it and then shoot myself having become the official-check-whoring person I hate.
PeacefulAnarchy wrote:Active topics is the devil. Please use the forums and subforums as intended and peruse all the topics nicely sorted by topic, not just the currently popular ones displayed in a jumbled mess.
maxwelldeux wrote:If you asked me to kill my wife and pets OR watch Minions, I'd check the runtime and inquire about sobriety requirements before providing an answer.
Torgo wrote:Lammetje is some kind of hybrid Anna-Kendrick-lamb-entity to me and I find that very cool.
monty wrote:If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. iCM ain't for sissies.
mightysparks wrote:ARGH. RARGH. RARGH. DIE.
Kowry wrote:Thanks, Art Garfunky.
Rich wrote:*runs*