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Post by beavis » September 29th, 2020, 8:00 pm

As hopefully most members of the ICMForum will be aware we have a yearly festival, running for a fourth year now(!!), where we are trying to highlight great recent films that have slipped under the radar somewhat. The window this time around is 2017 - 2020, looking more towards the 2017 side than the 2020 side of course.

The past half year the programmer team has selected, watched and discussed their favorite movies from this period, investigating area's from around the globe and a few "genre's" that deserve a closer look, and now it is time to really get the organisational part under construction!

What is a festival without a bit of a competition??
this thread is an open invite to anyone who wants to be on the official festival jury this year


What does a juror do?

An official juror commits to watching the "mainslate", or heart of the festival, and at least one other section
-They have a say in creating the mainslate from the below list of titles that the programmers have selected
-This year they also have input on the size of the mainslate, picking a minimum of 8 or a maximum of 12 titles from the list
-They have the month of October to sign up as a juror in this thread and give their input on the mainslate
-During the festival they watch and discuss movies along with everybody else, although they could also work ahead a bit if they want before the festival has started
-After the festival they present their winners of the mainslate and each section, with as much or as little fanfare as they choose, but a small jury report would be a fun thing to add I think.

NB. We have established as a rule over time that any casual participant who enjoys the festival and has watched a complete section automatically becomes an unofficial juror on that section. I think it is fair to keep the mainslate for official jurors only, but I want to give jurors as much freedom to decide on these things themselves as possible.
For instance how they come to their final decision on the selection of the mainslate. People can select from the list given below titles they have already seen and want to recommend to the others, or titles that they are really curious about. They can do this by discussion in this topic thread, by organizing a poll, by voting through PM's or any way they think is best. Also dividing up the other sections among the official jurors is something that can be discussed here by them. There are 9 separate sections next to the mainslate, each containing 4 or 5 films. Looking at the total of qualifying films it will be most likely be 4 this year, and for a few sections the options are so limited that there is a small chance that we have to cancel it this time around. The slight upside of this is that the "workload" that the jury commitment brings would be a bit lighter. So if you already feel excited, this might be the final piece of motivation to make yourself invited! ;)

The festival will be held from Monday 16 November until Monday 14 December


So the window between the end of October and the beginning of the festival isn't that big. Please take your time and it is not to late to sign up even if you are reading this only for the first time while October is already well underway... but... the sooner there is a consensus on the mainslate from the jurors, the sooner the programmers can fill in the other sections and full promoting of the festival can get underway, so don't feel obliged to wait until the entire month has gone ;) I will be keeping an eye on this thread, and if voting is happening in another way or another place, I hope to get notified when there is a final mainslate selection made.

In my next post I'll present a list of 36 titles we created for the jurors to select their preferred and ideal festival selection mainslate from

We hope you're already as excited for the festival as we have been making our selections
Please join along by signing up as a juror
and mark the festival dates on your calendars!!
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Post by hurluberlu » September 29th, 2020, 8:14 pm

I am in ! Bring them on !
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Post by beavis » September 29th, 2020, 9:02 pm

1 - 37 Seconds (37 sekanzu)
year - 2019
director - Hikari (fem)
best fit section - AsAf
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6156138/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/37+sekanzu/

2 - A Colony (Une colonie)
year - 2018
director - Geneviève Dulude-De Celles (fem)
best fit section - Indie
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8461958/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/une+colonie/

3 - A Russian Youth (Malchik russkiy)
year - 2019
director - Alexander Zolotukhin
best fit section - Art
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9681728/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/malchik+russkiy/

4 - Alice T.
year - 2018
director - Radu Muntean
best fit section - Euro
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8726008/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/alice+t./

5 - Araby (Arábia)
year - 2017
director - Affonso Uchoa, João Dumans
best fit section - LatAM
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6400280/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/arabia-2017/

6 - Atlantics (Atlantique)
year - 2019
director - Mati Diop (fem)
best fit section - AsAf
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10199586
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/atlantique/

7 - Beach Rats
year - 2017
director - Eliza Hittman (fem)
best fit section - LGBT
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6303866/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/beach+rats/

8 - Bliss
year - 2019
director - Joe Begos
best fit section - Dawn
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9026524/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/bliss-2019/

9 - Buñuel in the Labyrinth of the Turtles
year - 2018
director - Salvador Simó
best fit section - Anim
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7336470/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/bun ... e+turtles/

10 - Close-Knit (Karera ga honki de amu toki wa)
year - 2017
director - Naoko Ogigami (fem)
best fit section - LGBT
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5633706/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/kar ... u+toki+wa/

11 - Detective Dee: The Four Heavenly Kings (Di Renjie zhi Sidatianwang)
year - 2018
director - Hark Tsui
best fit section - Dawn
imdb - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6869538/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/di+ ... atianwang/

12 - Did You Wonder Who Fired the Gun?
year - 2017
director - Travis Wilkerson
best fit section - Doc
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6370614/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/did ... nquestion/

13 - Ghost Town Anthology (Répertoire des villes disparues)
year - 2019
director - Denis Côté
best fit section - Art
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9068100/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/rep ... disparues/

14 - Giant Little Ones
year - 2018
director - Keith Behrman
best fit section - LGBT
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4481066/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/giant+little+ones/

15 - Hagazussa
year - 2017
director - Lukas Feigelfeld
best fit section - Dawn
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7323600/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/hagazussa/

16 - I am Jane Doe
year - 2017
director - Mary Mazzio (fem)
best fit section - Doc
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6398054/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/i+am+jane+doe/

17 - Invisible Life (A Vida Invisível de Eurídice Gusmão)
year - 2019
director - Karim Ainouz
best fit section - LatAM
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6390668/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/a+v ... ivel-2019/

18 - Jallikattu
year - 2019
director - Lijo Jose Pellissery
best fit section - Dawn
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8721556
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/jallikattu/

19 - Loro
year - 2018
director - Paolo Sorrentino
best fit section - Euro
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10182822
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/loro/

20 - Luz
year - 2018
director - Tilman Singer
best fit section - Dawn
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7858616
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/luz-2018/

21 - Martin Eden
year - 2019
director - Pietro Marcello
best fit section - Art
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4516162/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/martin+eden-2019/

22 - Mercury 13
year - 2018
director - David Sington, Heather Walsh (fem)
best fit section - Doc
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8139850/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/mercury+13/

23 - MFKZ
year - 2017
director - Shoujirou Nishimi, Guillaume Renard
best fit section - Anim
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4717402/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/mutafukaz/

24 - Mommy Dead and Dearest
year - 2017
director - Erin Lee Carr (fem)
best fit section - Doc
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6442978/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/mom ... d+dearest/

25 - Museum (Museo)
year - 2018
director - Alonso Ruizpalacios
best fit section - LatAM
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4958448/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/museo/

26 - Non-Fiction (Doubles vies)
year - 2018
director - Olivier Assayas
best fit section - Euro
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7250056/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/doubles+vies/

27 - Ruben Brandt, Collector
year - 2018
director - Milorad Krstic
best fit section - Anim
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6241872/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/rub ... collector/

28 - School's Out (L'heure de la sortie)
year - 2018
director - Sébastien Marnier
best fit section - Euro
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7175992/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/lhe ... la+sortie/

29 - Suleiman Mountain (Sulayman too)
year - 2017
director - Elizaveta Stishova (fem)
best fit section - AsAf
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7336410/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/sulayman+too/

30 - Sunset (Napszállta)
year - 2018
director - Laszlo Nemes
best fit section - Art
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5855772/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/napszallta/

31 - The Big Bad Fox and Other Tales (Le grand méchant renard et autres contes...)
year - 2017
director - Benjamin Renner, Patrick Imbert
best fit section - Anim
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5851904/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/le+ ... res+contes.../

32 - The Day After (Geu-hu)
year - 2017
director - Sang-soo Hong
best fit section - AsAf
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6462506/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/geu-hu/

33 - The Dead and the Others (Chuva É Cantoria Na Aldeia Dos Mortos)
year - 2018
director - João Salaviza, Renée Nader Messora (fem)
best fit section - Art
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8423962/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/chuv ... os+mortos/

34 - The Seen and the Unseen (Sekala Niskala)
year - 2017
director - Kamila Andini (fem)
best fit section - AsAf
imdb - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt7216260/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/the ... nd+unseen/

35 - Vitalina Varela
year - 2019
director - Pedro Costa
best fit section - Art
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8241872/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/vitalina+varela/

36 - Waiting for the Carnival (Estou Me Guardando Para Quando O Carnaval Chegar)
year - 2019
director - Marcelo Gomes
best fit section - Doc
imdb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10240438/
ICM - https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/est ... al+chegar/

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Post by beavis » September 29th, 2020, 9:06 pm

hurluberlu wrote:
September 29th, 2020, 8:14 pm
I am in ! Bring them on !
nice!!

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Post by beavis » September 29th, 2020, 9:18 pm

some further remarks on the selected films

-they are part of a slightly larger lists of currently 57 titles (deadline for qualification is officially tomorrow evening, or when it is October somewhere in the world)
-but these 36 will certainly be featured in the festival, as they ranked the highest / had most support
-I listed them here alphabetically to exclude a bias of the programmer ranking on the picks for the slate
-all further info, like production year, how many Imdb or ICM votes a movie has also needn't influence the picking, but might guide you in weighing one against the other
-IF you want to take the further filling of the sections into consideration, it helps the programmers if animations are not selected for the mainslate, and we like to keep Luz and Hagazussa as a double bill for the Dawn section... but I didn't take them preemptively out of the list, so this is now up to the discretion of the jurors ;)

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Post by Teproc » September 29th, 2020, 9:24 pm

Followed the previous editions from afar, I think I'll jump in this time and participate. :cheers:

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Post by beavis » September 29th, 2020, 9:39 pm

welcome!

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Post by outdoorcats » September 29th, 2020, 9:53 pm

Sign me up!

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Post by Teproc » September 29th, 2020, 10:01 pm

Made the shortlist into a Letterboxd list for those who'd like to peruse it in that format.

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Post by beavis » September 29th, 2020, 10:17 pm

outdoorcats wrote:
September 29th, 2020, 9:53 pm
Sign me up!
that makes three! let discussions commence ;)

As a former showrunner of the festival you might have some good input on how to approach the selection of the mainslate among the jurors. I have left a lot of choices open where you already had a voting process in place previously... not sure if this would be a welcome change or not, especially while I haven't gone back to appointing a president, or at least someone who can turn a discussion into a decision. Feel free to address things you don't see working, but like I said, I think everything should be able to fall into place organically...right? :)

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Post by maxwelldeux » September 29th, 2020, 10:30 pm

beavis wrote:
September 29th, 2020, 8:00 pm
The festival will be held from Monday 16 November until Monday 14 December
Favorite thing you've typed! :cheers:

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Post by outdoorcats » September 29th, 2020, 10:37 pm

We seemed to do better without a Jury President, bunch of commies that we are.

I've looked at trailers for all the films you listed. How do we submit preferences this year? Do you just want a list of 8-12 preferred films?

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Post by beavis » September 29th, 2020, 10:49 pm

outdoorcats wrote:
September 29th, 2020, 10:37 pm
We seemed to do better without a Jury President, bunch of commies that we are.
I've looked at trailers for all the films you listed. How do we submit preferences this year? Do you just want a list of 8-12 preferred films?
and this, the method, was one of the things I would also let be decided by the people :)

like I said in the previous reply addressed to you, I can understand if you want to stick to the voting system you previously had going. If you express such a preference and a few other jurors agree, then I guess the ball is rolling, but other jurors might have equally great ideas. Running a poll seems easiest to me actually... although I am not sure if a forum poll is still possible on this (still) new-ish forum platform we are currently on...

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Post by outdoorcats » September 29th, 2020, 11:40 pm

I'm fine with whatever. (I am not the expert on polling/voting :) ) Whatever is easiest is fine.

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Post by cinewest » September 30th, 2020, 6:59 am

How does one get access to the films in the competition?

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Post by beavis » September 30th, 2020, 7:06 am

cinewest wrote:
September 30th, 2020, 6:59 am
How does one get access to the films in the competition?
a lot of them would be accesible through streaming services and/or home video releases, and as usual we have a forum of connected people who can help out in finding titles once the festival has kicked off.

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Post by St. Gloede » September 30th, 2020, 7:21 am

I'm in, always one of the highlights of my cinematic year.

I also want to thankall the programmers for their efforts over the past 6 months. Phenomenal work!

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Post by beavis » September 30th, 2020, 8:52 am

:cheers:

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Post by Melvelet » September 30th, 2020, 11:07 am

I haven't followed the past ICMFFs that much but I'm quite in the mood for contemporary cinema (and have a lot of catching up to do), especially after I went to Hamburg to take part in 4 days of real life film festival :) I'm up for being a juror. I'll do some further reading into how the previous editions worked.
Apart from that, just to see if I understand it correctly:
- For the main slate I would have to state my preferences of selections (based on my interest in watching them and possibly other factors that make them seem 'main slate'-worthy for me
- I have to watch all the main slate movies and another section (of my choice, splitting up between the jurors?) (do I also have to submit my preference for the sections now?)
- I can watch movies earlier but generally should try to watch them during the festival timeframe
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Post by beavis » September 30th, 2020, 12:18 pm

welcome!
Melvelet wrote:
September 30th, 2020, 11:07 am
- For the main slate I would have to state my preferences of selections (based on my interest in watching them and possibly other factors that make them seem 'main slate'-worthy for me
- I have to watch all the main slate movies and another section (of my choice, splitting up between the jurors?) (do I also have to submit my preference for the sections now?)
- I can watch movies earlier but generally should try to watch them during the festival timeframe
pick your favorites from the selection. What that is can be up to you. It might be films you've already seen and think are must see films, it can be something you've already expect a lot from, but also something way out of your comfort zone that you'd like to challenge yourself with. Just pick your "ideal festival". How you discuss your picks among the jurors and decide what the final selection of the juror-team will be is not written in stone. you can propose a poll, you can organize a Zoom meeting, you can nominate a leader... I have left this completeley open at this point :)

Mainslate + a minimum of 1 section is really needed to be able to hand out awards, so in other words for the jurors to do their jobs. There are 9 sections beside the mainslate, so If we come to nine jurors you have to decide who is taking on what, if we get less than nine, ideally we have a few jurors that can take on more than one section, or the unofficial jurors become important. The coolest would be if we have more than nine jurors, so people have more breathing room to take on their favorite section and make it feel less like a chore.

We hope for a lot of participation and discussion on the movies during the festival, but we can't stop people starting early. And for the jurors I would actually advise it, just to be sure you're able to find all movies and have time enough to watch them.

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Post by matthewscott8 » September 30th, 2020, 12:33 pm

I am happy to get involved as lockdown is good for this.

Maybe the main slate should be one from each section excluding animation given your suggestion. I would then also be happy to commit to watching the art section. So that would be a main slate of 8:

1 AsAf
1 Indie
1 Art
1 euro
1 latam
1 dawn (not Luz or Hagazussa as should be double bill)
1 lgbt
1 doc
0 anim

Mid October we have a vote on juror preferences for main slate. E.g. rank in preference order within each section, and then combine preferences.

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Post by Melvelet » September 30th, 2020, 12:36 pm

So there will be films from the longlist that will used to fill up the remaining slots for the other sections? Are the sections basically pre-defined or get defined in accordance to what's left after the main slate is chosen?
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Post by beavis » September 30th, 2020, 12:38 pm

also welcome matthewscott8!

And good to start with some suggestions too!
I'm not going to comment on them because I'm not part of that discussion, but I like the spirit :)

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Post by beavis » September 30th, 2020, 12:42 pm

Melvelet wrote:
September 30th, 2020, 12:36 pm
So there will be films from the longlist that will used to fill up the remaining slots for the other sections? Are the sections basically pre-defined or get defined in accordance to what's left after the main slate is chosen?
yes and yes (pre-defined)

the remaining pool of choices is not that large, and some of these qualifying movies actually have a low average, so it is debatable if we should include them. This debate is going to be had by the programmers when the jurors have chosen their mainslate. If we can't fill some of the sections at that point we might decide to have to cancel that section or have it with even less than four movies (I would not prefer that)... I don't think we'll (be able to) create entirely new sections from the remaining movies we have to work with.

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Post by St. Gloede » September 30th, 2020, 12:45 pm

Inprevious editions (perhaps not all) we would set up a spreadsheet for the jury where they would each add there ratings (any rating system can be used, even yes vs no) - and then the films with the highest averages would go in . Quite easy and straight forward (especially as the calculation can be automatic).

We can also do an manual ranked ballot voting.

I have no preference for Main Slate length - perhaps we could make the final decision based on the ratings/ties, etc.

Quick follow-up question: Will there be no centerpiece this year?

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Post by beavis » September 30th, 2020, 12:54 pm

the "Centerpiece" usually is the one movie that all programmers think should be on the mainslate... currently the films with the most points in our spreadsheet (I think this is also the spreadsheet you were thinking about, jurors previously made a vote by sending a ballot of their choice to outdoorcats) are Ruben Brandt, which we need in the animation section and Long Days Journey into Night which has been a major festival favorite everywhere last year and also got major support from our programmers, except it also got a 0 from mightysparks, which is why that movie didn't even make the cut of the 36 movies the jurors are asked to work with... So this is why I haven't mentioned it. I also haven't heard the other programmers ask about it, but I am open to suggestions from them which movie could / must be a centerpiece this year...

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Post by St. Gloede » September 30th, 2020, 1:30 pm

beavis wrote:
September 30th, 2020, 12:54 pm
the "Centerpiece" usually is the one movie that all programmers think should be on the mainslate... currently the films with the most points in our spreadsheet (I think this is also the spreadsheet you were thinking about, jurors previously made a vote by sending a ballot of their choice to outdoorcats) are Ruben Brandt, which we need in the animation section and Long Days Journey into Night which has been a major festival favorite everywhere last year and also got major support from our programmers, except it also got a 0 from mightysparks, which is why that movie didn't even make the cut of the 36 movies the jurors are asked to work with... So this is why I haven't mentioned it. I also haven't heard the other programmers ask about it, but I am open to suggestions from them which movie could / must be a centerpiece this year...
I specifically recall voting in a spreadsheet, but maybe it was only the first time(s). Or hell, maybe it was the previous version (FGFF). Oh well.

Did Long Day lose out because of a single zero? :blink: (Excluding it for being too famous makes sense though)

I don't think there is an issue with some categories with just 4 films, so Ruben Brandt could always get the spot it seems to deserve - but I understand the reservation.

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Post by beavis » September 30th, 2020, 2:13 pm

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Did Long Day lose out because of a single zero? :blink: (Excluding it for being too famous makes sense though)
Because of the 0 the average vote is 2.3 and I only send on movies with an average of 2.5 or higher. but it didn't "lose out", I still very much like it to be in the festival and it is a certain favorite for the Asian/African section I think.

Btw last year though... it was a main favorite for centerpiece status then too, but ironically it was decided the movie was too popular amongst critics/festivals... Popularity is however relative, and looking at imdb and icm vote numbers, the film still could use our festivals support!

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Post by outdoorcats » September 30th, 2020, 6:17 pm

There was a spreadsheet at one point for sure. That could work, or a manual ranked ballot vote. Gloede, you know your polls, which would work better? (and which would lead to less ties?)

I don't dislike Matt's idea either--perhaps a variation on it would be to manipulate the results to ensure the Main Slate gets at least one film that represents each category (but not limited to only 8 films overall).

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Post by hurluberlu » September 30th, 2020, 6:44 pm

beavis wrote:
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St. Gloede wrote:
September 30th, 2020, 1:30 pm
Did Long Day lose out because of a single zero? :blink: (Excluding it for being too famous makes sense though)
Btw last year though... it was a main favorite for centerpiece status then too, but ironically it was decided the movie was too popular amongst critics/festivals... Popularity is however relative, and looking at imdb and icm vote numbers, the film still could use our festivals support!
I thought it had enough exposure last year already and now it is in DtC top100 with >400 check: I dont think it is one for the ICMFF.
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Post by beavis » September 30th, 2020, 6:48 pm

Most programmers have voted the other way... and DtC is still another level of underseen than <10000 Imdb votes... But I'll keep it in mind when we are making our choices as programmers on the final touches to the programme

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Post by hurluberlu » September 30th, 2020, 6:52 pm

outdoorcats wrote:
September 30th, 2020, 6:17 pm
There was a spreadsheet at one point for sure. That could work, or a manual ranked ballot vote. Gloede, you know your polls, which would work better? (and which would lead to less ties?)

I don't dislike Matt's idea either--perhaps a variation on it would be to manipulate the results to ensure the Main Slate gets at least one film that represents each category (but not limited to only 8 films overall).
I think we used the shared spreadsheet for final voting but it is a good thing for selecting the main slate as well I guess, also given the number of films. I would suggest we give 1-10 ratings based on our interest to see films on main slate and see what comes out of it. Pending top batch, ties, etc we can decide how to arbitrate.
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Post by St. Gloede » September 30th, 2020, 9:54 pm

outdoorcats wrote:
September 30th, 2020, 6:17 pm
There was a spreadsheet at one point for sure. That could work, or a manual ranked ballot vote. Gloede, you know your polls, which would work better? (and which would lead to less ties?)

I don't dislike Matt's idea either--perhaps a variation on it would be to manipulate the results to ensure the Main Slate gets at least one film that represents each category (but not limited to only 8 films overall).
I would say a spreadsheet is less painful as the averages can be counted automatically, we should use them more really.

Last time it was out of 10 based on interest, which worked well, though people can obviously interpret the ratings differently.

We could also simplify it with:

2. Needs to be in the Main Slate
1. Should be in the Main Slate
0. Should not be in the Main Slate

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Post by Fergenaprido » October 1st, 2020, 9:16 am

Did you fill out the spreadsheet yourselves last time, or did you send your ballots in and then odc (or whoever it was) added them to the spreadsheet?

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Post by St. Gloede » October 1st, 2020, 9:38 am

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Did you fill out the spreadsheet yourselves last time, or did you send your ballots in and then odc (or whoever it was) added them to the spreadsheet?
We filled it in ourselves, just like the Programmers did.

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Post by Melvelet » October 1st, 2020, 11:03 am

shall we limit the amount of votes >0 then? like 12 overall all 6x2, 6x1 max?
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Post by St. Gloede » October 1st, 2020, 11:11 am

We can definitely do that, and then tally the overall points as opposed to averages. Works very well, and may also give a more diverse rewatch than a system based on overall consensus.

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Post by Melvelet » October 2nd, 2020, 1:10 pm

If I watch all movies in a section that I initially didn't sign up for, do I become an official juror for that section or an unofficial juror (if there's any real difference at all)?
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Post by beavis » October 2nd, 2020, 1:47 pm

I think official jurors remain official jurors and have the prerogative to judge all sections they'd like (after they've done the section they signed up for or were assigned to ;)). I'm not sure there is any real difference at that point, besides that the offical jurors have their official deliberations and can write a jury report to praise the movie they crown the winner (if they want).

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Post by hurluberlu » October 4th, 2020, 7:57 am

St. Gloede wrote:
September 30th, 2020, 9:54 pm
outdoorcats wrote:
September 30th, 2020, 6:17 pm
There was a spreadsheet at one point for sure. That could work, or a manual ranked ballot vote. Gloede, you know your polls, which would work better? (and which would lead to less ties?)

I don't dislike Matt's idea either--perhaps a variation on it would be to manipulate the results to ensure the Main Slate gets at least one film that represents each category (but not limited to only 8 films overall).
I would say a spreadsheet is less painful as the averages can be counted automatically, we should use them more really.

Last time it was out of 10 based on interest, which worked well, though people can obviously interpret the ratings differently.

We could also simplify it with:

2. Needs to be in the Main Slate
1. Should be in the Main Slate
0. Should not be in the Main Slate
Melvelet wrote:
October 1st, 2020, 11:03 am
shall we limit the amount of votes >0 then? like 12 overall all 6x2, 6x1 max?
So I have reviewed my interest for the 36 candidates, trying to stick as much as possible with above rating proposal but without Melvelet quotas. It quickly appeared I was missing an additional rating to reflect something as follows:

2. Strong interest
1+. Fair interest
1-. Slight interest
0. Zero interest

For each of these categories, I got:

2. 5 picks
1+. 9 picks
1-. 7 picks
0. 15 picks

So I could scrap the 1- and trim the 1+ to get back to 6*2+6*1 but that feels a little harsh and the risk is, with only a handful of jurors and 36 films we end-up with a lot of ties.
Moreover what you are really excited about should maybe get an additional boost.
So all in all I would suggest a 12*0+9*1+9*2+6*4 system (0/1/2/4 points relative to interest level stated above).

Just some Sunday morning thoughts... :whistling:
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