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Maximalist (?) cinema

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outdoorcats wrote: October 9th, 2020, 3:35 am If you extend the basic idea of maximalism to story rather than aesthetics, some great examples might be Love Exposure or Inherent Vice (films that are packed with insane genre gear-shifting). Perhaps other good examples are escaping me at the moment.
I was thinking of The Saragossa Manuscript.


And now that I think about it Hourglass Sanitorium, too.
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I thought about The Saragossa Manuscript and its sister film, Mysteries of Lisbon ("Russian Doll" movies?), but hesitated to list them as that's something a little different (though maximalist in their own way for sure). Haven't yet seen Hourglass Sanatorium.

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I know this isn't exactly 100% the discussion area of this thread, but this video does a decent job highlighting some of the more current mainstream (if not entirely successful) variations of the subject.
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beavis wrote: October 9th, 2020, 7:21 am btw I would love for you to do a similar run on my actual list of favorites (and return it as clean imdb-links so I can make an ICM-list from them), no rush of course, and only if you've got time for it, just curious :)
Here are the recommendations for your favorites, with your checks excluded from the results.
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Scener ur ett äktenskap
The Fog of War: Eleven Lessons from the Life of Robert S. McNamara
Mystic River
Krótki film o milosci
Hunger
Sleuth
In Cold Blood
Mysterious Skin
Utvandrarna
Le chagrin et la pitié
American History X
Exit Through the Gift Shop
Gimme Shelter
Watership Down
Baraka
Boksuneun naui geot
The Circus
Mies vailla menneisyyttä
Judgment at Nuremberg
Przypadek
Jagten
Take Shelter
Ju Dou
Dont Look Back
Jésus de Montréal
Entre les murs
21 Grams
The Squid and the Whale
Winchester '73
Life Is Sweet
Les misérables
Deconstructing Harry
Babettes gæstebud
Sleeper
Body Heat
La rivière du hibou
The Tragedy of Othello: The Moor of Venice
Lacombe Lucien
The Right Stuff
Scarecrow
Capturing the Friedmans
Midnight Express
Nybyggarna
The Collector
L'albero degli zoccoli
Misery
United 93
The Wire
Husbands
The Sopranos
On the Town
Million Dollar Baby
Say Anything...
A Place in the Sun
Missing
Titicut Follies
Inherit the Wind
The Furies
The Simpsons
Mitt liv som hund
Hud
The Spy Who Came in from the Cold
The Verdict
Heimat - Eine deutsche Chronik
A Perfect World
The Naked Spur
The Outlaw Josey Wales
Hamlet
No Man's Land
The Big Red One
Talaye sorkh
You Can Count on Me
Marathon Man
Guizi lai le
Margaret
California Split
The Miracle of Morgan's Creek
Trafic
Play for Today: Penda's Fen
In the Company of Men
Bloody Sunday
Prisoners
Bright Star
City Girl
Seinfeld
Turist
The King of Kong
Lenny
The Tragedy of Macbeth
Man on Wire
The Lion in Winter
The Singing Detective
Killing Them Softly
Samsara
Foolish Wives
Tess
The Power of Nightmares: The Rise of the Politics of Fear
Fast, Cheap & Out of Control
Wax, or the Discovery of Television Among the Bees
How Green Was My Valley
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Good_Will_Harding wrote: October 9th, 2020, 11:02 pm

I know this isn't exactly 100% the discussion area of this thread, but this video does a decent job highlighting some of the more current mainstream (if not entirely successful) variations of the subject.
Man, thanks for the recommendation, that's an excellent video! I almost never watch Youtube(rs) but he's doing a great job and I have to agree with him on almost everything. Reminded me why I really liked Aquaman (which was unexpected) and makes you appreciate the levels of the aforementioned Valerian & Jupiter which, sadly, failed on other essential levels of filmmaking. One observation I agree with is how much it's worth if an actually exaggerated movie still takes itself seriously, in contrast to many of the Marvel & DC blockbusters. Like, when the craziest things are happening and they just happen. And of course Mad Max holds the crown of the last decade.

Don't be afraid, my impression is the discussed films are exactly as far you can go with blockbusters / the mainstream regarding a concept of, well, ridiculous and overblown imagery / worldbuilding.
Now imagine the likes of Aquaman with their sheer endless budgets and technical possibilites in the hands of our most cited Japanese filmmakers. :woot:
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mjf314 wrote: October 9th, 2020, 11:12 pm Here are the recommendations for your favorites, with your checks excluded from the results.
thanks so much!!!

as a little off topic side note feedback:
Not sure what I could have expected, but the list is quite a bit different form my actual watchlist. not just from from the current one based on specific topics and lists, but also from my more general one based on things like TSPDT and what is most watched/liked on ICM, Letterboxd, MovieMeter and so on. I would have left out all those Westerns and TV-series for instance. But very interesting to see what is most favorited by persons that have similar favorites to mine, might have to give priority to some of these titles ;)
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The guy who made that letterboxd list here, really surprised to see so much speculation and discussion about this obsession of mine take place on a site I didn't even know existed.

I can explain my position and would love to continue the discussion.

One thing I want to instantly clarify is one of my deciding factors that will make me opt for not putting something on the list, which applies to a lot of films that were brought up previously in this thread, is that I feel like my definition of maximalism does not apply to something that does ONE thing a lot. So a movie like His Girl Friday with tons of rapid fire dialogue would be an assault of just that, rapid fire dialogue.

The bulk of what I include on the list constitutes an overabundance of things, of throwing things at the wall having only some of them stick, having intense varied applications of a style, having an information overload.

My inclusion of something like Na Srebrnym Globie and not the rest of Żuławskis films is simply on that films boundless ambition of basically trying to execute a multi part sci fi epic in one compact film, like watching the entire Star Wars franchise on 3x speed, so we get bombarded with not only fast paced dialogue, but also tons of world building information and character development all at the same time. Overabundance rather than assault.

Brakhage was mentioned, and I have absolutely considered this myself. I decided against it simply because of his focus and precision. I'm not an expert on his films, but from what I have seen he will usually execute one singular idea as thoroughly as possible, and then that's that. Its a barrage of colors, and very fast paced flickery, but it is focused and methodical. It sets out to accomplish its thing, and does, nothing more.

But anyhow, WOW, tons of suggestions for things I HAVEN'T seen that I think I will absolutely check out!!! Makes me happy to see conversation sparked on something like this :)

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And I admit, no idea why I was neglecting Gilliam. My distaste for a lot of his films does not discredit them literally embodying this concept.
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This topic completely slipped by me a year ago when it was initially created :sweat:

I'd just like to add that the Danish documentary and experimental film festival CPH:DOX did a series called MAXIMALISM way back in the year 2012*. I definitely consider it a legit term in regard to a specific kind of aesthetic in both cinema, music and art. In cinema it's especially a style opposed 'minimalism' which has long been a term more than often applied to “films of good taste" (avant-garde, art house, dogma etc.). The series included these films: Holy Motors (Carax), Day Is Done (Mark Kelley, 2006), Waterpark (Evan Profosky, 2012), Mocracy - Neverland In Me (van Borries, 2011), Zavis, The Prince of Pornofolk (Karel Vachek, 2006), Commander Ashtar Sheran vs. Reptilians (Baca, 2012), Buenas Noches, España (Raya Martin, 2011) and a documentary on Raya Martin called Seperation of the Critic (Guarneri, 2012). And I've heard that Richard Kelly's Southland Tales (2006) was shown out-of-program.

And I guess especially a director like Raya Martin qualifies for the maximalist term. Gonna watch Buenas Noches, España sometime soon myself.


* here is the program: https://issuu.com/andreascph/docs/cphdox_2012_program - the maximalist series is on page 40-41.
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Dozzyrok wrote: February 18th, 2021, 6:44 am Brakhage was mentioned, and I have absolutely considered this myself. I decided against it simply because of his focus and precision. I'm not an expert on his films, but from what I have seen he will usually execute one singular idea as thoroughly as possible, and then that's that. Its a barrage of colors, and very fast paced flickery, but it is focused and methodical. It sets out to accomplish its thing, and does, nothing more.
I've seen a bunch of Brakhage since I opened this thread and pretty much agree with you. His shorts lean on hyperediting, but within that style it's pretty focused, sometimes even monotone.
Dozzyrok wrote: February 18th, 2021, 6:44 am The bulk of what I include on the list constitutes an overabundance of things, of throwing things at the wall having only some of them stick, having intense varied applications of a style, having an information overload.
Though not exactly a binary definition that makes it easy to say what films belong and what films don't, this is pretty much how I look at it too.
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Dozzyrok wrote: February 18th, 2021, 6:44 am The guy who made that letterboxd list here, really surprised to see so much speculation and discussion about this obsession of mine take place on a site I didn't even know existed.

I can explain my position and would love to continue the discussion.
Haha, great having you here, Dozzy! Your approach gave us some entertaining afternoons on this board ..
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