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Post by OldAle1 » February 10th, 2020, 4:54 am

How many people have won awards for directing, producing and writing all at the same time? Can't be many.

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Post by mightysparks » February 10th, 2020, 5:08 am

Ugh, now everyone is still going to be masturbating over that film. It was ok and I don't mind it winning I guess, but I really don't understand why it's so loved by everyone.
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Post by sebby » February 10th, 2020, 5:36 am

Fuck yeah Joaquin. The dairy and meat industries are pure evil incarnate, and the more that influential people use their platform to speak up, the sooner they'll be recognized as equivalent to (or worse than) the tobacco industry, with a shift in attitude and economics to follow.

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#124

Post by Cippenham » February 10th, 2020, 5:40 am

It’s a mistake, the Best film should be in English as there are plenty of other awards for foreign language films around

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Post by GruesomeTwosome » February 10th, 2020, 6:14 am

Hey, a bad take from Cipp, I never would have guessed...
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Post by mightysparks » February 10th, 2020, 6:29 am

I guess it's also good that 1917 didn't win then since the Academy Awards is American and 1917 is a dirty foreign British film :whistling:
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#127

Post by jeroeno » February 10th, 2020, 6:30 am

Wait, the best movie of the year isn't in English? #oscarhatesamerica #fakenews

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#128

Post by brokenface » February 10th, 2020, 7:51 am

Cool that Parasite won. Guess they decided to make up for Green Book beating Roma.

Irishman was the only BP nominee to go home empty handed. I know he's had some big wins but Scorsese must have some sort of cumulative career record for nominations for his films that didn't win

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#129

Post by albajos » February 10th, 2020, 8:11 am

The Artist and to sme degree The Last Emperor (international co-production) were both foreign films

People always forget The Artist since it was silent

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Post by matthewscott8 » February 10th, 2020, 9:14 am

Cippenham wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 5:40 am
It’s a mistake, the Best film should be in English as there are plenty of other awards for foreign language films around
Given the lack of emoji, can I ask, serious or tongue in cheek?

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Post by Onderhond » February 10th, 2020, 9:40 am

matthewscott8 wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 9:14 am
Cippenham wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 5:40 am
It’s a mistake, the Best film should be in English as there are plenty of other awards for foreign language films around
Given the lack of emoji, can I ask, serious or tongue in cheek?
The fact that he's British makes his comment even harder to read.

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Post by nimimerkillinen » February 10th, 2020, 10:15 am

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Marty enjoying the Eminem theme park:

i think the lights were too bright for him, at least at some point for what i saw

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Post by matthewscott8 » February 10th, 2020, 10:24 am

Oscar, Golden Globe and Palme D'or for best film gotta be unique?!?!

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Post by brokenface » February 10th, 2020, 10:55 am

matthewscott8 wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 10:24 am
Oscar, Golden Globe and Palme D'or for best film gotta be unique?!?!
The Lost Weekend, although that was that year at Cannes where they split the main prize between 11 films.

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Post by Cippenham » February 10th, 2020, 12:56 pm

I do think ideally the Best Film should be in English because the Oscar is usually considered the pinnacle of British or American film making.

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Post by Cippenham » February 10th, 2020, 1:01 pm

Not seen 1917 but apparently it is not true to life in some aspects

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Post by cinephage » February 10th, 2020, 1:13 pm

Cippenham wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 1:01 pm
Not seen 1917 but apparently it is not true to life in some aspects
Some people even called it a fiction.

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » February 10th, 2020, 1:25 pm

This is gonna get an even worse reaction than Arcade Fire winning the grammys isn't it.

I'm glad they did that. Sure the artist was foreign as well but I'm sure the academy didn't know that. Plus a great film won a best picture oscar which only happened like 5 times.

If you want a good laugh, I saw an article saying you're sexist if you love Parasite but hate BTS. They're not even the same artistic medium lol

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Post by peeptoad » February 10th, 2020, 1:37 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 2:00 am
Nope, born in Providence RI, home of H.P. Lovecraft among other luminaries.
...and my hometown. Best little city in the tiniest state in the country. B)

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » February 10th, 2020, 1:42 pm

peeptoad wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 1:37 pm
OldAle1 wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 2:00 am
Nope, born in Providence RI, home of H.P. Lovecraft among other luminaries.
...and my hometown. Best little city in the tiniest state in the country. B)
That city looks amazing for concerts. I know there was a big noise rock scene there.

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Post by OldAle1 » February 10th, 2020, 1:44 pm

peeptoad wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 1:37 pm
OldAle1 wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 2:00 am
Nope, born in Providence RI, home of H.P. Lovecraft among other luminaries.
...and my hometown. Best little city in the tiniest state in the country. B)
I like it, I've been there 2 or 3 times. There's a neighborhood I walked through with a whole bunch of well-preserved 17th-century houses, could feel the spirit of good ol' HPL very strongly there. Used to be a pretty cool brewpub I visited a couple of times but after 14-15 years that's probably either gone or changed a lot.

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Post by peeptoad » February 10th, 2020, 1:56 pm

OldAle1 wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 1:44 pm
peeptoad wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 1:37 pm
OldAle1 wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 2:00 am
Nope, born in Providence RI, home of H.P. Lovecraft among other luminaries.
...and my hometown. Best little city in the tiniest state in the country. B)
I like it, I've been there 2 or 3 times. There's a neighborhood I walked through with a whole bunch of well-preserved 17th-century houses, could feel the spirit of good ol' HPL very strongly there. Used to be a pretty cool brewpub I visited a couple of times but after 14-15 years that's probably either gone or changed a lot.
Yeah, some here has changed over the years, some things not so much. We used to go to the Wickenden pub back in the mid-90s. They had 99 beers on tap (mostly microbrews). Plus the used record store next door (that is definitely kaput) used to let them borrow vinyl to spin whilst the locals were quaffing em down. The pub si still there, but the 99 beers on tap ain't. Think they still have the "99 club " though, but who knows. I will not be drinking all those beers at this stage in life. :P

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Post by flavo5000 » February 10th, 2020, 2:10 pm

Call me delighted. I was all set to be ho-hum about 1917 winning and turns out they actually decided to award Best Picture to the better movie. Go figure. Other than the Parasite upset and Ford v Ferrari getting the tech awards, I was correct on my guesses though, even ones like Parasite getting screenplay that not many were expecting.

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » February 10th, 2020, 2:50 pm

They're already making a Parasite tv show... the rare foreign film that did well box office-wise so of course they're going to milk it.

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Post by OldAle1 » February 10th, 2020, 3:02 pm

I think box office is the key. The film has one of the largest box office totals domestically for a foreign-language film this century - not sure anything apart from Crouching Tiger (also an Oscar BP nominee) beats it, and certainly after the wins it will make a bit more. Had Roma not been a Netflix film and had a wider, more conventional theatrical release, who knows? It does seem clear from the last decade that the Academy is more willing to reach out to non-American films and directors.

It's funny I used to agree with Cipp's point - that it should only be English-language films. Or rather, that it should only be American films. Because everything else always seemed like tokenism - oh, let's nominate one European film every decade or so, just so we can show we're not totally biased or anything. Rather like what Mighty was saying above about female directors, actually. It was always about celebrating Hollywood first and foremost but unlike say the Cesars it was also trying to pretend it was the best films in the world - like America IS the world. But with films nominated two years in a row, and Parasite actually winning, and mostly non-American directors winning and nominated, the equation seems to have changed.

I do wonder if this will change Hollywood thinking even slightly though; my guess is that a lot of people will want to see this as an aberration and we'll be back to something more conventional and American next year; but I also think there are plenty of people in the distribution part of the industry looking at minority audiences - let's not forget that The Farewell made a small impact at the B.O. and awards season as well - and it's possible we'll see at least a few more foreign-language films getting distribution in the country in the short term. Which to an American living outside of any big cities, like me, is nothing but good news.

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Post by Pretentious Hipster » February 10th, 2020, 3:12 pm

Maybe the next step people like Frederick Wiseman and Pedro Costa will start getting nominations :lol: talk about naive optimism, but that will be when I start following the Oscars

Like, I get tokenism is stupid and giving pity nominations is also the case, but come on mighty, plenty of women and other minorities are making fantastic stuff now. However, I feel like it's a bigger issue than the lack of awards. It's the lack of them getting the chance of making films in the first place.

I've yet to see Little Women, but I disliked Lady Bird because it was so by the book.

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Post by OldAle1 » February 10th, 2020, 3:39 pm

Well if I had to bet I'd say you'll dislike Little Women also - I'm long past the point of expecting many people here to share my ultra-artistically-conservative-boring tastes :lol: .

To be fair there are very few films directed by women - or African-Americans, or Asian-Americans, or queer Americans, etc - that got enough distribution and notice to even have a chance of nominations. And all of them would still have been coming up against a majority of films from white male directors, typically involving stories primarily about white men, etc. So yeah, it's getting the films made and distributed that probably matters the most. And then getting them seen by audiences. It's a chicken-egg thing really - do people only go to see MCU, horror and dumb comedy films because that's all they want to see, or do the distributors only release those kinds of films because they assume those are the only kinds that will do well, or because they're too lazy and greedy to try out anything that hasn't already succeeded a zillion times? And this is where the Oscars can have at least a little impact I think, because there are people who don't go out to the cinema much and do so mostly on the strength of awards, what their friends tell them, etc. Maybe they're a fairly small percentage of the audience but who knows, really?

Hollywood has turned it's back on everybody but white boy-men 12-35 or so for most of the last 40 years because that's far and away the easiest demographic to sell to, and because most people outside that narrow range are as willing (they believe) to see the MCU films, etc. There was a doc on blaxploitation I watched a few years ago that made the point that once the big studios realized, around 1973-4, that black people were a big part of the audiences for blockbusters like The Godfather and The Exorcist, but white people weren't going to see Shaft or The Mack, they lost interest in producing films for the black audience, feeling they would still retain it even without making films aimed at it. And they were right to a certain extent, and I"m sure the same kind of thinking is involved in making films aimed at women (witness the disappearance of rom-coms over the last 10 years, a huge genre from the mid-80s on) and other groups. And independent films, while easier and cheaper to make than ever because of digital tech, have even less of a chance to make it to the marketplace - unless everybody outside of that narrow demographic that the studios care about actually start going to see these films when they do actually get distributed, en masse. I don't see Parasite changing that any more than Moonlight did.

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Post by mightysparks » February 10th, 2020, 3:42 pm

I didn't say women weren't making fantastic stuff, but that any time they make something that is just ok everyone is like 'well done women for being almost as good as men'. Eg, the most annoying example was when The Babadook came out everyone was like 'OMG THE SCARIEST FILM OF THE YEAR WAS DIRECTED BY A WOMAN??!?!!'. Women don't get heralded for their work just being good work, but for being women who have made something. I completely agree that it's because they don't have much of a chance to make films in the first place. There aren't as many of them making films, and therefore there aren't as many good ones. Being a woman or a man makes no difference in their quality of work.
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Post by 3eyes » February 10th, 2020, 4:08 pm

Bong is so good at novel twists on different genres. I've seen all his other films - look forward to catching this one.
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Post by sebby » February 10th, 2020, 4:10 pm

I think Roma 100% wins last year if it were not a Netflix film. But if that happens, does Parasite win this year? Probably not. Maybe it does, I dunno. It's got a Shawshank quality to it as far as being a very easy and pleasant movie-going experience for a general audience. Funny, thrilling, well paced. I can see a film snob liking it, my mom liking it, a tween liking it, etc. Prob why it made so much bank.

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Post by OldAle1 » February 10th, 2020, 4:14 pm

sebby wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 4:10 pm
I think Roma 100% wins last year if it were not a Netflix film. But if that happens, does Parasite win this year? Probably not. Maybe it does, I dunno. It's got a Shawshank quality to it as far as being a very easy and pleasant movie-going experience for a general audience. Funny, thrilling, well paced. I can see a film snob liking it, my mom liking it, a tween liking it, etc. Prob why it made so much bank.
I think that's all pretty spot-on. My brother, who is not much for foreign films, liked Parasite quite a lot, more than me probably, though both he and I liked Shoplifters last year more, a somewhat more subtle take on capitalism that I don't think could have excited Academy voters or general audiences in the same way. And I think the fact that Parasite is more conventionally "entertaining" and at times frantic and full of action also helps it get over the it's-too-left-wing hurdle for some voters - they can sort of forget about the message and just enjoy it as a roller coaster.

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Post by Rufus-T » February 10th, 2020, 8:25 pm

Most interesting Oscar for a long time. Actually, the best picture result in the past few years were surprising. Those years, the big favorite did not win. This is the only year in the past few years with two films that were almost equally favorite. Much suspense during the Best Picture announcement moment.

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Post by Nathan Treadway » February 11th, 2020, 4:44 am

brokenface wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 7:51 am

Irishman was the only BP nominee to go home empty handed. I know he's had some big wins but Scorsese must have some sort of cumulative career record for nominations for his films that didn't win
This made me curious, so, I looked it up:

Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore 1/3
#Taxi Driver 0/4
#*Raging Bull 2/8
Color of Money 1/4
*Last Temptation of Christ 0/1
#*Goodfellas 1/6
Cape Fear 0/2
Age of Innocence 1/5
Casino 0/1
Kundun 0/4
#*Gangs of New York 0/10
#*Aviator 5/11
#*Departed 4/5
#*Hugo 5/11
#*Wolf of Wall Street 0/5
Silence 0/1
#*Irishman 0/10

# Nominated for Best Picture (Scorsese only has 2 nominations for this category: Irishman and Wolf)
* Nominated for Best Director

So, his films are 20/91 if my counting and math is correct.
He's also been nominated for Adapted Screenplay for Goodfellas and Age of Innocence. He's won only 1 of the 14 Oscars he's been nominated for (Best Director: The Departed)

There's been 97 films that have been nominated for at least 10 Oscars. Only 6 have been shut out. Scorsese directed two of them:
Turning Point (0/11)
Color Purple (0/11)
Gangs of New York
True Grit
American Hustle
The Irishman

(Just noticed something curious. Last Temptation was only nominated for Best Director.. That really doesn't happen to often, does it?)

Edit: Found my answer
Speedy (1927/28) (comedy, Ted Wilde), Sorrel and Son (1927/28) (drama, Herbert Brenon), Two Arabian Knights (1927/28) (comedy, Lewis Milestone*)
Drag (1928/29) (Frank Lloyd)
Hallelujah! (1929/30) (King Vidor)
The Inn of the Sixth Happiness (1958) (Mark Robson)
Alice's Restaurant (1969) (Arthur Penn)
Fellini Satyricon (1970) (Federico Fellini)
Blue Velvet (1986) (David Lynch)
The Last Temptation of Christ (1988) (Martin Scorsese)
Short Cuts (1993) (Robert Altman)
Mulholland Dr. (2001) (David Lynch)
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Post by Nathan Treadway » February 11th, 2020, 5:30 am

OldAle1 wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 4:54 am
How many people have won awards for directing, producing and writing all at the same time? Can't be many.
Prior to 1951, the Best Picture went to the studio instead of the producers. Leo McCarey would've been on this list otherwise for Going My Way (1944)

Billy Wilder for The Apartment (1960)
Francis Ford Coppola for The Godfather, Part 2 (1974)
James L. Brooks for Terms of Endearment (1983)
Peter Jackson for The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003)
Joel and Ethan Coen for No Country for Old Men (2007)
Alejandro Gonzalez Innaritu for Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance) (2014)
Bong Joon Ho for Parasite (2019)

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Post by St. Gloede » February 11th, 2020, 7:51 am

We have talked a bit before about how the Academy is pretty much exclusively people well past their retirement age (and also pretty exclusively white men), but my fairly straightforward theory for why they are picking more and more daring/challenging films is because the 60, 70 and 80-year-old people of today were young in the 60s and 70s. With The Birdman and arguably The Artist, we got the first more experimental winners (by Academy standards) and now, for the first time, a foreign-language film has won. Pretty exciting times, as the Oscars are finally pretty unpredictable, especially as they still go for stuff like Green Book.

I doubt this really means they will start celebrating more and more exciting films though - they will always be the show where films that did well at the box office (but are not seen as "mainstream/lowbrow trash") competes for honours.

Re: Language debare:

On the one hand, it is great that the Academy may start awarding the "Best Film" trophy, and have a degree of positive change,

At the same time, American films will clearly always dominate, and we just have this added guessing game of "oh, ok, there's that one foreign language film again".

If the Oscar's had branded itself as something more akin to what it is, a celebrated of Hollywood or American films they could easily have kept it streamlined, and Best Foreign/International Film would have made sense (but then BAFTAs go to American and other foreign films all the time). So ... Yeah, this will be reality now. Maybe foreign films will be nominated more often, and maybe, at some point, within the next 2-3 decades, another one will win.

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Post by brokenface » February 11th, 2020, 8:17 am

Bafta has it all ways and has a specific best British film award as well as best film and best foreign language.

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Extension of the best picture to 8-10 nominees does seem to have made it less predictable. The vote gets split in more directions i guess.

Really wish they'd really release the raw data (after a reasonable time) would be fun to see how the actual votes went.

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Post by Armoreska » February 11th, 2020, 9:57 am

mightysparks wrote:
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Ugh, now everyone is still going to be masturbating over that film. It was ok and I don't mind it winning I guess, but I really don't understand why it's so loved by everyone.
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Post by Armoreska » February 11th, 2020, 10:27 am

OldAle1 wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 1:56 am
Rufus-T wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 1:53 am
You know what's interesting. No American men won best director last decade.
Damien Chazelle. And there's a chance tonight, but unlikely. Yeah we can't put up male Americans who can win the award, and we won't give it to women. Guess it's them furriner dudes that knows how to make them artistic fillums.
And 3 Mexicans. And of course that makes them American too in non-colloquial sense.
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Post by matthewscott8 » February 11th, 2020, 11:07 am

St. Gloede wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 7:51 am
We have talked a bit before about how the Academy is pretty much exclusively people well past their retirement age (and also pretty exclusively white men), but my fairly straightforward theory for why they are picking more and more daring/challenging films is because the 60, 70 and 80-year-old people of today were young in the 60s and 70s. With The Birdman and arguably The Artist, we got the first more experimental winners (by Academy standards) and now, for the first time, a foreign-language film has won. Pretty exciting times, as the Oscars are finally pretty unpredictable, especially as they still go for stuff like Green Book.

I doubt this really means they will start celebrating more and more exciting films though - they will always be the show where films that did well at the box office (but are not seen as "mainstream/lowbrow trash") competes for honours.

Re: Language debare:

On the one hand, it is great that the Academy may start awarding the "Best Film" trophy, and have a degree of positive change,

At the same time, American films will clearly always dominate, and we just have this added guessing game of "oh, ok, there's that one foreign language film again".

If the Oscar's had branded itself as something more akin to what it is, a celebrated of Hollywood or American films they could easily have kept it streamlined, and Best Foreign/International Film would have made sense (but then BAFTAs go to American and other foreign films all the time). So ... Yeah, this will be reality now. Maybe foreign films will be nominated more often, and maybe, at some point, within the next 2-3 decades, another one will win.
Being cynical, HBO planning to film Parasite as a TV series probably had a lot to do with the gongs. Turned it into a promotional exercise for the Hollywood machine.

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