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Post by outdoorcats » November 10th, 2019, 2:30 am

Welcome to the 2019 iCheckMovies Film Festival!

Festival Dates: Nov. 9-Dec. 2

Please rate the films the films you've seen on a scale from 1-10 to help contribute to this year's Audience Award.
(Ratings are due by the end of day on December 2nd EST to be counted)

This is the thread where all users can rate and discuss the films in the LGBT section. We're looking forward to everyone in the iCM Forum community taking part!

Anyone who watches all films in this section by the end date can also help pick the jury award for this section.

Diamantino dir. Gabriel Abrantes and Daniel Schmidt. 2018, 96 min. :imdb::ICM:
Diamantino, the world's greatest soccer star and a holy innocent in the purest sense, can only master his game by picturing himself playing on a field of pink clouds and giant fluffy puppies. But when real-world tragedy disturbs his idyllic vision of happiness, it sends him on a surreal journey involving international right-wing conspiracies, futuristic gene experimentation, evil stepsisters, "refugee" adoption and bodily transformation.
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Heartstone dir. Guðmundur Arnar Guðmundsson. 2016, 129 min. :imdb::ICM:
In a fishing village in Iceland, a boy develops feelings for his best friend as his best friend pursues his affections for a girl.
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Knife + Heart dir. Yann Gonzalez. 2018, 102 min. :imdb::ICM:
Gonzalez follows up previous festival entry You and the Night with this equally stylish giallo homage, also set to a throbbing M83 soundtrack, in which a lesbian director of gay porn in 1979 Paris realizes her cast is being picked off by a masked serial killer.
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Lovesong dir. So Yong Kim. 2016, 84 min. :imdb::ICM:
Kim, the acclaimed indie director of Treeless Mountain and In Between Days, directs a delicate and bittersweet road trip between two female friends that threatens to develop into something deeper.
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Post by maxwelldeux » November 10th, 2019, 4:54 pm

All - I'm in charge of collecting ratings for the sections, so please keep a few things in mind to help make my life just a bit easier:

- Please use the English titles when noting your ratings
- Make sure you report your ratings on the 1-10 IMDB scale
- Don't edit your posts - please make a new post when you add more ratings (so I actually see them)
- If you see any errors or omissions on my data collection, please point it out to me.

If you want to see the ratings and follow along, here is the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

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Post by xianjiro » November 10th, 2019, 8:49 pm

Just going to throw this out there, since watching Knife + Heart on the 3rd, I've had violent nightmares involving knives since. Not sure why - I don't usually have this issue with movies and certainly all those Zombies slasher flicks I've seen haven't even registered. But this film has had an unfortunate, lasting impact.

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Post by outdoorcats » November 11th, 2019, 12:16 am

Wow, sorry to hear that xianjiro. I found it very powerful as well, though I've been lucky in that no film has had that type of impact on my sleep.

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Post by xianjiro » November 11th, 2019, 1:29 am

Yeah, it's really bizarre and I don't quite get it. One nightmare, no biggie. But when I got to the fifth one, I was trying to figure out what gives. Don't know if it's the anti-gay nature of the violence - that's not something I've seen a lot of and of course Cruising is another example, but I don't think it affected me the same way and certainly the violence is different. Odd how these things work. :)

And no, I've never worked in porn, so it's not that ...

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Post by outdoorcats » November 11th, 2019, 2:51 am

Anti-gay violence, yes, but also, very, well, gay...I think one of the themes of the film is how a violently homophobic/heteronormative society conditions LGBT people to the point where we inflict violence onto ourselves and do the work for them (whether that takes the shape of extremely risky or self-destructive behavior or actual violence, such as domestic violence). At least that's what I got out of it. The scene that really got to me from that one more than any of the others was the
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Post by xianjiro » November 11th, 2019, 7:31 am

definitely think you're on to something there - it's clearly meant to be provocative and I bet discussions can get pretty heated after a viewing be it at a FF or a group of friends. Wonder if maybe there is a generational difference in reaction - those of us who remember gaybashing (and who've been bashed), the mass indifference to outright contempt during AIDS in the 80s, the Jeffrey Dahmers and John Wayne Gacys, the friend who got fired because the boss saw him walking out of gay bar, the homophobic ballot wars, the lost friends who just can't handle "that lifestyle", the families that kick a kid out of the house "for his/her own good" - so much real violence, seeing it stylized, made almost camp, is just as disturbing.

Will be interesting to see what others think of it.

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Post by outdoorcats » November 11th, 2019, 10:38 pm

I think it speaks to the many different ways people process trauma (or vicarious trauma) - some people find horror films to be therapeutic as they can put a distance between you and the trauma, while others will just be triggered by them. Ultimately I'd say it was a cathartic experience for me. Multiple scenes were genuinely shocking or sad (especially since I was just expecting stylish retro emo camp like You and the Night). Even though it was done in a camp style it didn't feel ironic or winking either. The camp affect in this case seemed more like a homage to gay subculture in the '70s than a way of saying, "don't take this seriously." There's actual tragic weight to it.

Also that sequence at the bird expert's was just gorgeous. There were a number of stunningly eerie and beautiful set-pieces in the film but I think that one took the cake. Argento couldn't have done better himself.

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Post by maxwelldeux » November 13th, 2019, 6:37 am

Diamantino - 6/10

WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU MAKE ME WATCH?
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I'm being over-dramatic - but that really did NOT go anywhere close to the way I thought it would. Actually, I showed my wife the lineup for this slate, and this was the one film she was least interested in, as she thought it would be the weirdest. She was not wrong.

On one hand, I find it a curious addition to the slate - although there were undoubtedly LGBT+ themes in the film, it was not focused on those and there were many other much stronger themes worth exploring. But on the other hand, I thought it was a great addition to the slate for exactly the same reasons - there were strong LGBT+ themes, but they weren't the focus of the film.

Overall, it was a lot to pack in - at various points, I was vacillating between a 4 and an 8 out of 10 and ended up on settling on the midpoint. It touched on a lot of themes I care about, but not in enough depth to really sell me on it. Good shots, not great. I felt depth to it, but only quickly. It's the sort of film that would have been served well with 30-50 additional well-spent minutes.

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Post by kingink » November 13th, 2019, 2:40 pm

Knife + Heart dir. Yann Gonzalez. 6/10

After having seen Les rencontres d'après minuit I was expecting more from Gonzalez while watching this one.
It had some memorable scenes, it was shot beautifully for the most part, great music, it dealt with some strong subjects, but ultimately it didn't affect me at all. I felt a bit cold towards the film. It's been some time since I watched it so I am not sure I can pinpoint right now what it was about it that made me feel that way. Maybe it was too campy for it's theme. Did Gonzalez wanted to be serious or campy? I don't know. If he had chosen a more distinct path either way, then maybe the film would work better for me. But I enjoyed it, I can't lie.

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Post by outdoorcats » November 13th, 2019, 11:38 pm

Diamantino - it's pretty out there, isn't it? :D The directors are more known for their experimental shorts and it shows a little, but overall I thought it was an extremely confident feature, a zany serial with satirical, political and sexual overtones. It was definitely the most purely fun film of the festival circuit in 2018, in my opinion.

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Post by maxwelldeux » November 13th, 2019, 11:44 pm

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November 13th, 2019, 11:38 pm
Diamantino - it's pretty out there, isn't it? :D The directors are more known for their experimental shorts and it shows a little, but overall I thought it was an extremely confident feature, a zany serial with satirical, political and sexual overtones. It was definitely the most purely fun film of the festival circuit in 2018, in my opinion.
Seriously out there... :circle:

I didn't read anything beyond the IMDB description, so based on my personal history of LGBT+ film watching, I was mentally prepping myself for something kinda depressing, or at least more emotional. This was not that. Then I got mad at the subtitles during the opening disclaimer, trying to figure out what awful translation happened that they were talking about fluffy puppies. Then I saw the fluffy puppies...

It was certainly fun and interesting to watch - not at all what I expected.

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Post by Ivan0716 » November 14th, 2019, 4:18 pm

Diamantino - 7.3
Lovesong - 7.2
Knife + Heart - 4

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Post by blocho » November 14th, 2019, 8:13 pm

Heartstone 6/10

Naturalistic drama that takes the whole kid-actors-are-good-now movement of the past two decades to a ridiculous extreme. There are some childhood dramas that wallow in the worst of the human experience (think Pixote). This movie does not reach those extremes. No one here is living on the streets and starving, but the movie does compress all the typical and some of the not-so-typical miseries of pre-adolescence into one story. Kids are the worst. Also, adults are the worst. It's a bit much.

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Post by beavis » November 14th, 2019, 8:24 pm

1. Heartstone - 8
2. Lovesong - 7,5
3. Knife + Heart - 7,5
4. Diamantino - 7,5

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Post by maxwelldeux » November 15th, 2019, 2:42 am

Lovesong - 4/10

I did not connect with this one at all.
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It all started with the kid. The kid was annoying and seemed wholly unnecessary to the plot. It seemed like filler backstory used to pad out the run time. And the multiple scenes with screaming were really off-putting.

More than that, I didn't feel any chemistry between the leads, nor did I feel any connection to them. I don't have "best" friends like that, who I seem to not know at all and don't speak to for years on end, but somehow am intensely connected to. It felt immature to me, like it was screaming "I'm so deep!" yet unable to have a real adult conversation with each other. I detest the plot trope where people are unable to have a real conversation.

And it just felt boring and underwhelming overall. Long shots with boring visuals that did nothing to build to any emotional climax coupled with no music. Superficial conversations. Random characters that all seemed out of place. Annoying decisions made by the characters. Not to mention that the LGBT themes in this were subtle enough that I wouldn't have really processed this as an LGBT film if not prompted by this slate.

But the dirty jokes were funny, which was nice.

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Post by kingink » November 16th, 2019, 11:14 am

Diamantino 6/10

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Post by xianjiro » November 19th, 2019, 3:57 pm

maxwelldeux wrote:
November 13th, 2019, 11:44 pm
outdoorcats wrote:
November 13th, 2019, 11:38 pm
Diamantino - it's pretty out there, isn't it? :D The directors are more known for their experimental shorts and it shows a little, but overall I thought it was an extremely confident feature, a zany serial with satirical, political and sexual overtones. It was definitely the most purely fun film of the festival circuit in 2018, in my opinion.
Seriously out there... :circle:

I didn't read anything beyond the IMDB description, so based on my personal history of LGBT+ film watching, I was mentally prepping myself for something kinda depressing, or at least more emotional. This was not that. Then I got mad at the subtitles during the opening disclaimer, trying to figure out what awful translation happened that they were talking about fluffy puppies. Then I saw the fluffy puppies...

It was certainly fun and interesting to watch - not at all what I expected.
Well, we know what it takes for some of us to see flying puppies :folded: isn't that a popular strain?

Actually, I thought this one was silly and also questioned its LBgTQ bone fides, but I think we're just way to focused on either L or G and forget the various other letters (some are left out completely like the Is and As). Anyways, this one definitely goes genderqueer or, if one wants, can be
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pre-op or even no-op trans with a big gender/identity doesn't matter, it's all about the love.
We love people, not sexual identities or sexual orientations. Okay, that's not completely true since I've known many who defeat both, but this is a popular point made in queer cinema these days.

Silly, light-hearted, poking fun at all sorts of weird shit like MAGA, Brexit, pro sports, underwear ads, Ronaldo - and the twins so make me think of Garbage's video for The World Is Not Enough that the pop-culture references are also rife.
But it is such a perfect place to start, my love
And if you're strong enough
Together we can take the world apart, my love

People like us
Know how to survive
There's no point in living
If you can't feel alive{/quote}

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Post by xianjiro » November 19th, 2019, 3:57 pm

outdoorcats wrote:
November 11th, 2019, 10:38 pm
I think it speaks to the many different ways people process trauma (or vicarious trauma) - some people find horror films to be therapeutic as they can put a distance between you and the trauma, while others will just be triggered by them. Ultimately I'd say it was a cathartic experience for me. Multiple scenes were genuinely shocking or sad (especially since I was just expecting stylish retro emo camp like You and the Night). Even though it was done in a camp style it didn't feel ironic or winking either. The camp affect in this case seemed more like a homage to gay subculture in the '70s than a way of saying, "don't take this seriously." There's actual tragic weight to it.

Also that sequence at the bird expert's was just gorgeous. There were a number of stunningly eerie and beautiful set-pieces in the film but I think that one took the cake. Argento couldn't have done better himself.
haven't had any more nightmares since our little exchange - thanks! :thumbsup:

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Post by xianjiro » November 19th, 2019, 4:00 pm

Diamantino - 7
Heartstone - 8
Knife + Heart - 7
Lovesong - 7

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Post by kingink » November 22nd, 2019, 8:51 pm

Lovesong 4/10

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Post by kingink » November 24th, 2019, 1:18 pm

Heartstone - 7/10

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Post by John Milton » November 24th, 2019, 1:37 pm

Heartstone 7/10

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Post by maxwelldeux » November 27th, 2019, 1:41 am

Heartstone: 5/10
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Stunning scenery. I want to spend time in Iceland it's so gorgeous. And there's nothing wrong with this film, per se, I just didn't care. I don't connect with kids, and the pacing felt overly slow to me. It's a nice story (and not creepy, unlike some comments I saw). But between the kids at the center of the film, the pacing, and the unnecessarily shaky camera, it fell pretty flat for me.

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Post by hurluberlu » November 28th, 2019, 7:40 pm

Knife + Heart 5-
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Post by outdoorcats » December 2nd, 2019, 10:19 pm

Diamantino 8.5
Knife + Heart 9

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Post by mightysparks » December 3rd, 2019, 12:24 am

Knife + Heart (2018) 6/10

Haven't found time to do a write-up yet, but I thought this was pretty good until it started going into the killer's backstory and then it just felt like a generic slasher film. I also liked that it focused on older characters rather than teens.
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Post by kingink » December 4th, 2019, 10:46 am

In case you need a ranking...
1. Heartstone 7/10
2. Knife and heart 6/10
3. Diamantino 6/10
4. Lovesong 4/10

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Post by outdoorcats » December 4th, 2019, 11:29 pm

Heartstone was the #1 choice of beavis, kingink and xianjiro so it's the clear winner. :cheers:

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Post by kingink » December 5th, 2019, 6:48 pm

Oh nice!... I had a fear that Diamantino would win! :lol: It was a trip allright... but win? I couldn't imagine it.

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