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The Visit (1964) FotW #305

Posted: November 3rd, 2019, 4:46 pm
by Cocoa
Film of the Week #305: The Visit (1964)


An unwed pregnant teenager is run out of town and
years later she returns there as a rich woman, raising the town's expectations with her generosity, but she's only out for revenge.

#434 on 500<400, with 60 checks.
Nominated by 72allinncallme, blocho, Cocoa, sol, and xianjiro.
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#434(NEW) The Visit (1964)
Directed by: Bernhard Wicki
(278.63 Pts, 3 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–3–3
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Re: The Visit (1964) FotW #305

Posted: November 3rd, 2019, 6:19 pm
by joachimt
There's also a 4:3 butchered version floating around on the net. Be sure to watch the right one.

Re: The Visit (1964) FotW #305

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 8:10 pm
by Cocoa
Just watched this film. I've edited the summary in the OP because it takes 30 minutes before that part of the plot is revealed to everyone.

Usually I'm a fan of Ingrid Bergman. I love her work. But this definitely is one of the worst films I've seen her in. She and the rest of the cast had flat terrible acting in this. The plot and all the side storylines are outlandish. Maybe a few of the storylines could be used to make a good movie, but all of them together is just too much ridiculousness and adds very little to the film as a whole. --Oh, here's this plot that should make you hate this guy. Oh, here's another side-plot to make you hate this guy even more. Need another reason to hate this guy, well here's another small side-plot! Okay, the audience must hate this guy by now, but hear me out, let's throw in another small thing to make sure the audience hates this guy!--

Re: The Visit (1964) FotW #305

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 10:42 pm
by 1SO
It's one of Bergman's most interesting performances because she's playing far against type, a malicious evil that's almost cartoonish. This is emphasized by her look, where she's done up to look like a woman wearing too much makeup, hoping to fight the ravages of time while actually emphasizing it. (I've seen 3 films Bergman made later in her career and she's never looked this old.) Bergman then takes these characteristics and lays in her more typical broken heart, creating an inner dynamic of a person who can say, "I love you, I hate you," and you believe both sentiments to be true.

Re: The Visit (1964) FotW #305

Posted: November 7th, 2019, 1:34 pm
by sol
Disappointed at the small uptake of folks checking this film out - especially given that the remake Hyenas is a forum favourite. :think: Cocoa's take is interesting - all the more so since I didn't end up hating Quinn's character. I felt with him every step of the way with his growing insecurity and paranoia and the whole thing felt very Kafkaesque to me. Here's a snippet of what I wrote in May this year:

The Visit (1964). Returning to her impoverished hometown as a self-made millionairess, a middle aged woman is welcomed with the anticipation of a generous donation, which she does announce but with an unexpected condition in this searing drama about justice and revenge. The whole project has a near Kafkaesque air to it as Anthony Quinn, playing her former childhood sweetheart, soon finds himself rightly paranoid, though the whole film belongs to Ingrid Bergman. Dressed in exotic Oscar nominated gowns and excessively large sunglasses, she plays her puppetmaster character with relish, loving the way the whole town bends to her due to her money in this tale of the power of wealth to influence others. (first viewing, DVD) ★★★★

Re: The Visit (1964) FotW #305

Posted: November 7th, 2019, 4:56 pm
by filmbantha
I will be checking it out at some point sol, just struggling with a large backlog of films at the moment (as always) but it is high on my watchlist!

Re: The Visit (1964) FotW #305

Posted: November 7th, 2019, 6:42 pm
by blocho
If I thought Hyenas was boring, will I feel the same way about this movie?

Re: The Visit (1964) FotW #305

Posted: November 8th, 2019, 11:46 am
by sol
filmbantha wrote:
November 7th, 2019, 4:56 pm
I will be checking it out at some point sol, just struggling with a large backlog of films at the moment (as always) but it is high on my watchlist!
No worries. :thumbsup:

Re: The Visit (1964) FotW #305

Posted: November 8th, 2019, 9:15 pm
by joachimt
I liked it a lot. 8/10

Re: The Visit (1964) FotW #305

Posted: November 10th, 2019, 7:20 am
by xianjiro
Interesting. I mean the reactions, not necessarily the film. Think the keys to understanding lie in a combination of social satire and Bergman playing against type. Maybe she enjoyed the chance to do something different, but yes, I found her character pretty cartoonish - all she lacked was the long, black mustache to twirl while laughing at the fools those mortals be. While I found the satire interesting and potentially compelling, it too had this unnatural quality about it.

Speaking of unnatural, the voices bugged me throughout - or rather the vocal quality. Guessing that the film was dubbed as was the Italian way of working through the period. It just seemed the speaking was way too crisp and not in a way that helped. It felt forced, almost alien.

And while Quinn's character starts out fairly average, then he is put on display for the vile machinations of his youth, the rest of the movie basically leads to the viewer being begged to pity the poor sod. Why? Because he's the target of the vile antagonist. Some might argue if his crime was truly capital in nature, but that's partly the point of the social satire, is it not? What vengeance is justified? However, the film never really ventures into the realm of examining the concept of justice. Why? See next paragraph.

However, one thing that has gone without comment is the issue of class, and contrary to what another has said, I thought she married into her wealth - this doesn't strike me as self-made though clearly she did what she had to to survive and I won't fault her for that. First off, the town fawns over her. Why? She's rich, as in filthy AND stinking. Second, they play into her hands. Why? She's rich and they want her money. Third, do they ride her out on a rail when it's revealed why the town is in its current state? No, of course not. Why? Because she's rich and she can buy every man, woman, and child for less than the cost of her undergarments. The only person who doesn't agree (completely) with her agenda doesn't have the spine to stand by his convictions. Why? Because she's rich and everyone else will do whatever she asks in the hope they get some money (a chunk of which they already spent buying on credit) and he doesn't want to be the odd man out. So basically at the end of the day, people can easily be bought by a single rich person with plan and while one might be tempted to say 'be it for good or ill', it does rather seem a point that the rich never purchase other people's souls for good. Then again, the social satire has some point to it, but I found the way dastardly deeds can be purchased by someone with a bit or tonnes of cash to be the most compelling part of the movie. And given the stage of the Cold War, one has to wonder - when the US or USSR come calling, checkbook in hand, just how many principles does a small, impoverished state have, especially when they've been driven into poverty.

So, end of discussion, the pluses are weighed against the minuses and the film comes out feeling poorly average. It's no wonder this isn't more widely known. While yes, Bergman is playing something different (and that appeals to cinephiles like us) and there is a point to the satire, both suffer from the cartoonish nature of the piece. (weak) 7 stars.

Re: The Visit (1964) FotW #305

Posted: November 10th, 2019, 3:01 pm
by blocho
I enjoyed it. Bleakly amusing. A misanthrope's delight.