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Who is the most overrated director of all time?

Who is the most overrated director of all time?

Ingmar Bergman
3
19%
Federico Fellini
13
81%
 
Total votes: 16

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Re: Who is the most overrated director of all time?

#41

Post by mightysparks » August 14th, 2019, 12:38 am

I haven’t liked anything from either director, and though I think Bergman is slightly better, his ridiculous #1 placement on the best directors list makes this an easy choice.
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Post by xianjiro » August 14th, 2019, 12:38 am

Coryn wrote:
August 13th, 2019, 7:59 pm
xianjiro wrote:
August 13th, 2019, 7:42 pm
Coryn wrote:
August 13th, 2019, 10:21 am
Bold move calling Bergman overrated here as he is currently voted Best Director in our yearly poll :lol:

For me he is extremely hit and miss but sadly more miss than hit.

Can't vouch for Fellini as I haven't seen anything by him, that is after being warned for how dull his movies are. Won't watch him anytime soon bar maybe 8 1/2.
I won't call myself a fan of either Fellini or Bergman, but both have offered some great films and I'd never recommend anyone to steer clear of either if they really wanted to delve into cinema. I'm surprised you didn't mention wanting to see La dolce vita (1960) though Le notti di Cabiria (1957) is my highest rated Fellini film. While I do find much of his work "overrated", I simply can't imagine not seeing it.

The other thing I'll mention, both Bergman and Fellini are known, and forgive me for paraphrasing poorly, as very personal filmmakers, especially in much of their latter work. These films are introspective and put on the screen what most would have difficulty discussing with a therapist. These are movies that aren't meant to entertain but they do shed light on the human condition.
I'm definitely going to watch him some day for sure. After seeing the usual favorites in my teens like Fight Club, Pulp Fiction,... I started watching Tarkovsky, Kurosawa, Bergman,... When I was 18,19 which was apparently still a tad early to compromise what I was seeing. Now at 24 I'm starting to acquire a certain taste but I'm definitely no expert or even advanced yet. That's why I like to keep myself from watching too much 'difficult' movies too quickly. I've been warned for Fellini a lot and want to make sure I go into his movies with a little knowledge otherwise it might be a lost case before even watching them.

Perfect example for this is how I absolutely couldn't finish Zerkalo when I was 18. Last year I watched Stalker aged 24 and was blown away. I then revisited Zerkalo and was amazed by it as well. It's what keeps cinema fun for me. I bet that in 10 years I'll look at these movies even in a different way.
Makes a lot of sense what you said ^ . I don't know that there is a specific age when one is 'ready' for the likes of Bergman, Fellini, Godard, etc, but clearly it's not the average person who can start with such challenging material though giving this or that film a shot (and being willing to revisit again in the future) makes plenty of sense. Film is no different from understanding any of the artforms - painting, dance, sculpture, poetry, music, etc.

I know I need to revisit some of the great works I saw early in cinematic quest and see what my reaction is now.

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#43

Post by Ebbywebby » August 14th, 2019, 12:47 am

I don't think Bergman is overrated at all. Fellini, maybe a little. But my #1 answer might be Sofia Coppola, the Queen of Listless Torpor.

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Post by Ebbywebby » August 14th, 2019, 12:48 am

mightysparks wrote:
August 14th, 2019, 12:38 am
I haven’t liked anything from either director.
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August 13th, 2019, 10:47 am
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Post by RedHawk10 » August 15th, 2019, 5:28 am

Also, Bergman > Fellini, but both are deserving of their placements as all time greats.

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Post by cinewest » August 15th, 2019, 8:36 am

I couldn't disagree more with this post....

In terms of being "dated," in a broad sense, everything pre-90's in film feels somewhat dated for various reasons, most of which have to do with the look, feel, and way themes are treated, but singling out these two filmmakers comparative to the rest (even those that you mentioned) is very bizarre, especially as both were ahead of their time when they were making films, especially from the late 50's into the 70's . In fact, I happened to watch The Passion of Anna (Bergman, 1969) not long ago for the first time, and came away amazed by how fresh and contemporary it seemed.

Calling them "overrated" is even more preposterous, especially as Bergman has probably made more great films that I can think of than any other director.

I realize that Fellini is not that popular on this board, and raised a discussion about that before, but I think that has more to do with a generational disconnect with his style and approach than with his ability to amaze as a filmmaker. I re-watched La Dolce Vita not long ago, and while it engaged a particular time and place, the themes present are still very relevant today, and I consider it an absolute masterpiece (along with 8 1/2, one of the very best of all time).

That you resort to phrases like "everybody knows..." and invoke Rosenbaum as if his views on film are unquestionable (I probably disagree with him more often than not, and consider his own list of essential cinema a very mixed bag), moreover consider your own view "broad minded" is a joke (neither are "anti-cinematic" or "narrow thematically," not even compared to the other filmmakers you mention).

On top of everything, you make no real arguments aside from accusations against Bergman and Fellini, and I can only think that you must still be an undergraduate somewhere, still coming to terms with your ideas (despite being full of them) and own lack of experience / ignorance.

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Post by St. Gloede » August 15th, 2019, 10:03 am

cinewest wrote:
August 15th, 2019, 8:36 am
I couldn't disagree more with this post....
It is a troll/satire/comedy account. Look at its history.

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Post by Lakigigar » January 3rd, 2020, 8:03 pm

The most overrated one is Nolan, not by you guys, but by IMDb. He does make some good movies, but films like Inception are overly bombastic and boring.

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Post by flavo5000 » January 4th, 2020, 1:35 pm

I've personally never understood why everyone is always singing the praises of the supposed "master" filmmaker Doris Wishman. After seeing many of her films (some over and over again... pausing at certain...moments to really let the images sink in), I have come to the possibly quite contentious conclusion that her films, which many herald as the finest of any female director, are not some of the best I've ever seen. Her framing is often a bit off-kilter (unless of course this an intentional artistic choice in which case I applaud her audacity). The editing is often a little on the choppy side and while I understand that she is intending to channel a Godard-like mastery of the jump cut, the resultant narrative choices are not always optimal (at one point we see a woman flee her automobile...jump cut to close up of an unrelated man's blood face... jump cut to a hand thrusting... jump cut to the hand emerging from a chest grasping a heart...is this the man's or woman's heart? it's unclear). Wishman also wears her influences on her sleeves. In the same film, she recreates overrated Hitchcock's infamous Psycho shower scene in a bathtub with an ax (some would say to even greater effect than the master of suspense himself!). By that same token, Wishman also is clearly influenced by nuanced character work of (overrated) Bergman and (overrated) Renoir in films such as The Haunted Pussy (where the story of the ghost of a betrayed husband shows Wishman at her most humanist and observant...by showing the corporeal, she is able to show us a clearer view of our current society) and Deadly Weapons (a sad tale of a woman has lost a loved one and takes it upon herself to receive vindication in the only way she is capable of).

Is Doris Wishman truly one of the greats or merely an accomplished albeit unoriginal copycat? The only thing I can say for sure is that she is definitely a better filmmaker than Fellini.

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Post by OldAle1 » January 4th, 2020, 2:38 pm

flavo5000 wrote:
January 4th, 2020, 1:35 pm
I've personally never understood why everyone is always singing the praises of the supposed "master" filmmaker Doris Wishman. After seeing many of her films (some over and over again... pausing at certain...moments to really let the images sink in), I have come to the possibly quite contentious conclusion that her films, which many herald as the finest of any female director, are not some of the best I've ever seen. Her framing is often a bit off-kilter (unless of course this an intentional artistic choice in which case I applaud her audacity). The editing is often a little on the choppy side and while I understand that she is intending to channel a Godard-like mastery of the jump cut, the resultant narrative choices are not always optimal (at one point we see a woman flee her automobile...jump cut to close up of an unrelated man's blood face... jump cut to a hand thrusting... jump cut to the hand emerging from a chest grasping a heart...is this the man's or woman's heart? it's unclear). Wishman also wears her influences on her sleeves. In the same film, she recreates overrated Hitchcock's infamous Psycho shower scene in a bathtub with an ax (some would say to even greater effect than the master of suspense himself!). By that same token, Wishman also is clearly influenced by nuanced character work of (overrated) Bergman and (overrated) Renoir in films such as The Haunted Pussy (where the story of the ghost of a betrayed husband shows Wishman at her most humanist and observant...by showing the corporeal, she is able to show us a clearer view of our current society) and Deadly Weapons (a sad tale of a woman has lost a loved one and takes it upon herself to receive vindication in the only way she is capable of).

Is Doris Wishman truly one of the greats or merely an accomplished albeit unoriginal copycat? The only thing I can say for sure is that she is definitely a better filmmaker than Fellini.
I will keep this sensitive and thoughtful analysis in mind when I embark on my Alex Proyas and Jim Wynorski quests later this year.

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Post by Mario Gaborović » January 4th, 2020, 7:55 pm

I think Tsai is the director I've seen most films by, counting only those people who never offered a nanosecond of pleasure to me.

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Post by Kublai Khan » January 4th, 2020, 9:47 pm

Gaspar Noe is absolute trash.

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Post by OldAle1 » January 4th, 2020, 9:48 pm

Kublai Khan wrote:
January 4th, 2020, 9:47 pm
Ivan0716 wrote:
August 13th, 2019, 9:20 pm
Tarkovsky, guy only gets mad credit because he's a foreigner.
I concur.

Also, Gaspar Noe is absolute trash.
He just makes porn, but he's French, what do you expect?

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