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Post by RBG » June 7th, 2019, 3:39 am

how is this film in no lists. it doesn't seem right

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Post by fori » June 7th, 2019, 3:45 am

I don’t know how people could possibly wonder why a movie released 3 months ago to mostly positive reviews isn’t in any official lists. How long have you been on ICM?

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » June 7th, 2019, 10:19 am

I guess you could make the argument that it should make the The 21st Century's Most Acclaimed Films list. However, it's considered rotten on rt and yellow on metacritic so I wouldn't call it mostly positive reviews, even if it did receive a passing grade.

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Post by RBG » June 7th, 2019, 10:20 am

it was a joke, actually :hmph:
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Post by fori » June 7th, 2019, 10:29 am

RBG wrote:
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it was a joke, actually :hmph:
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Post by GruesomeTwosome » June 7th, 2019, 3:30 pm

It might benefit from a second look down the road, but after one viewing, I didn't care too much for The Beach Bum, and it paled in comparison to Spring Breakers for me.

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » June 7th, 2019, 3:54 pm

Spring Breakers is easily one of my favourite films ever, so yea it does pale in comparison. I still feel like Beach Bum is a masterpiece though. It masquerades as an Adam Sandler type of film.

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Post by GruesomeTwosome » June 7th, 2019, 4:00 pm

I will give The Beach Bum credit for a few scattered, inspired moments/scenes. I'm thinking in particular of Martin Lawrence's appearance, when he and Moondog take that family out on the boat, supposedly to see dolphins...that was one of the funniest sequences I've seen in any movie from recent years.
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Post by RBG » June 7th, 2019, 4:19 pm

fori wrote:
June 7th, 2019, 10:29 am
RBG wrote:
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it was a joke, actually :hmph:
Haha, good one
I forget how srsly y'all take this list business

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Post by weirdboy » June 7th, 2019, 7:45 pm

I think I saw that movie before when it was called Fletch.

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Post by RBG » June 7th, 2019, 7:47 pm

i thought it was called the big lebowski
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Post by fori » June 8th, 2019, 1:09 am

RBG wrote:
June 7th, 2019, 4:19 pm
fori wrote:
June 7th, 2019, 10:29 am
RBG wrote:
June 7th, 2019, 10:20 am
it was a joke, actually :hmph:
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Ironic that someone who has more than 75% of their checks on official lists would make that point.

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Post by RBG » June 8th, 2019, 2:02 am

lol i probably had (close to) that percentage when i joined ICM. anyway let it go. moondoggie would


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Post by Carmel1379 » June 9th, 2019, 11:40 pm

The Beach Bum is amazing (l) (l)


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Post by Dolwphin » June 10th, 2019, 12:29 am

It looks dope, I hope it gets a theatrical screening (in my area).
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Post by brokenface » June 10th, 2019, 8:58 am

Happened to look up Ki-duk Kim on IMDB, wondering what he's up to. Erm: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9854804/

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Post by St. Gloede » June 10th, 2019, 9:24 am

brokenface wrote:
June 10th, 2019, 8:58 am
Happened to look up Ki-duk Kim on IMDB, wondering what he's up to. Erm: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9854804/
Arguably the best director of the last decade everyone. :poshclap: :poshclap: :poshclap:

You know, they say some directors/artists create their most intriguing works after their break downs ... this is clearly not the case here (unless he is still in the middle of it, which, honestly, given Izzy Got the Frizzies, seems very, very likely)

(honestly though. I assume this is someone trolling IMDb)

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Post by brokenface » June 10th, 2019, 9:38 am

St. Gloede wrote:
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(honestly though. I assume this is someone trolling IMDb)
Also my working assumption!

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » June 14th, 2019, 8:12 pm

Talk about ruined potential. There's a women directors film festival happening here soon. What are they playing?

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Post by St. Gloede » June 14th, 2019, 9:13 pm

The Story of Marie and Julien must be Rivette's weakest film.

Not only was the camera work often plain lazy, the opening scene especially is simply ugly, and to great hilarity Julien's (adorable) cat kept reacting to the cameraman.

Not without good moments, and you have some very typical Rivette traits, but overall it just felt poorly made and thought out (comparatively). Mind, I'm not the biggest Rivette fan.

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Post by GruesomeTwosome » June 14th, 2019, 9:15 pm

XxXApathy420XxX wrote:
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Post by joachimt » June 15th, 2019, 5:35 am

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109896/ra ... tt_ql_op_4

Vote stuffing on such an obscure movie? :blink:
It has only 3 checks on iCM. I'm watching it right now and it's rather boring, but I didn't expect a rating of 1.4 on IMDb on an obscure Asian arthouse movie.
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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » June 15th, 2019, 5:54 am

joachimt wrote:
June 15th, 2019, 5:35 am
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109896/ra ... tt_ql_op_4

Vote stuffing on such an obscure movie? :blink:
It has only 3 checks on iCM. I'm watching it right now and it's rather boring, but I didn't expect a rating of 1.4 on IMDb on an obscure Asian arthouse movie.
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On November 25, 2018, published in : "In the future, I will open a class of directors who only accept gay students. I will not accept heterosexuality. If heterosexuals are going to class, they have to listen outside the window. I have a loud voice. Of course, you can also hear that this is a special method designed for them. In doing so, it is full of love and it is inclusive and not discriminating. I am serious."
All his other films are also downvoted, so I'm guessing it's that.

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Post by fori » June 15th, 2019, 6:44 am

Nothing seems to be amiss on douban though. Likely an IMDb only phenomenon.

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Post by joachimt » June 15th, 2019, 7:07 am

Ah, that explains it probably. Still quite a boring movie though.
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Post by cinewest » June 15th, 2019, 1:51 pm

St. Gloede wrote:
June 10th, 2019, 9:24 am
brokenface wrote:
June 10th, 2019, 8:58 am
Happened to look up Ki-duk Kim on IMDB, wondering what he's up to. Erm: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9854804/
Arguably the best director of the last decade everyone. :poshclap: :poshclap: :poshclap:

You know, they say some directors/artists create their most intriguing works after their break downs ... this is clearly not the case here (unless he is still in the middle of it, which, honestly, given Izzy Got the Frizzies, seems very, very likely)

(honestly though. I assume this is someone trolling IMDb)
Since we have been polled for favorites of the 2010's this month, I have been wondering who might qualify as the director of the decade (It is clear to me that Haneke, and Von Trier owned the 00's, given the sheer number of great or nearly great films they produced during that time), but I can't think of anyone who has made more than a couple of essential films during this last decade.

I like Ki Duk Kim a lot, but haven't seen much of his work from the 2010's, and only. Pieta is on my 2010's list.

Any further thoughts?

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Post by fori » June 15th, 2019, 2:05 pm

My 2010s MVPs are Zhang Lu, Takahisa Zeze, Gakuryu Ishii & honorable mention for Wang Quan’an, Werner Fritsch, Jon Jost. Will not participate in the poll however.

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Post by OldAle1 » June 15th, 2019, 2:19 pm

The obvious answer is Harold Cronk.

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Post by St. Gloede » June 15th, 2019, 10:55 pm

cinewest wrote:
June 15th, 2019, 1:51 pm
St. Gloede wrote:
June 10th, 2019, 9:24 am
brokenface wrote:
June 10th, 2019, 8:58 am
Happened to look up Ki-duk Kim on IMDB, wondering what he's up to. Erm: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9854804/
Arguably the best director of the last decade everyone. :poshclap: :poshclap: :poshclap:

You know, they say some directors/artists create their most intriguing works after their break downs ... this is clearly not the case here (unless he is still in the middle of it, which, honestly, given Izzy Got the Frizzies, seems very, very likely)

(honestly though. I assume this is someone trolling IMDb)
Since we have been polled for favorites of the 2010's this month, I have been wondering who might qualify as the director of the decade (It is clear to me that Haneke, and Von Trier owned the 00's, given the sheer number of great or nearly great films they produced during that time), but I can't think of anyone who has made more than a couple of essential films during this last decade.

I like Ki Duk Kim a lot, but haven't seen much of his work from the 2010's, and only. Pieta is on my 2010's list.

Any further thoughts?
Oh, I was referring to the 00s for Kim as well, not the current decade - though Arirang, the first film he made after his breakdown, essentially a documentary about his mental state, is a very rewarding viewing.

I agree on Haneke and Von Trier for the 00s as well, both would be on mu shortlist.

As for the 2010s I am not quite sure, though Lanthimos is without a doubt the greatest emerging director.

I could perhaps make a case for Terrence Malick who, despite very mixed reactions, had a spectacular comeback, doubling his filmography, and developing his style to it's most pure form.

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Post by cinewest » June 16th, 2019, 12:02 pm

St. Gloede wrote:
June 15th, 2019, 10:55 pm
cinewest wrote:
June 15th, 2019, 1:51 pm
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June 10th, 2019, 9:24 am


Arguably the best director of the last decade everyone. :poshclap: :poshclap: :poshclap:

You know, they say some directors/artists create their most intriguing works after their break downs ... this is clearly not the case here (unless he is still in the middle of it, which, honestly, given Izzy Got the Frizzies, seems very, very likely)

(honestly though. I assume this is someone trolling IMDb)
Since we have been polled for favorites of the 2010's this month, I have been wondering who might qualify as the director of the decade (It is clear to me that Haneke, and Von Trier owned the 00's, given the sheer number of great or nearly great films they produced during that time), but I can't think of anyone who has made more than a couple of essential films during this last decade.

I like Ki Duk Kim a lot, but haven't seen much of his work from the 2010's, and only. Pieta is on my 2010's list.

Any further thoughts?
Oh, I was referring to the 00s for Kim as well, not the current decade - though Arirang, the first film he made after his breakdown, essentially a documentary about his mental state, is a very rewarding viewing.

I agree on Haneke and Von Trier for the 00s as well, both would be on mu shortlist.

As for the 2010s I am not quite sure, though Lanthimos is without a doubt the greatest emerging director.

I could perhaps make a case for Terrence Malick who, despite very mixed reactions, had a spectacular comeback, doubling his filmography, and developing his style to it's most pure form.

I absolutely loved Dogtooth (2009) after seeing it around the time it came out. Felt like a strange mix of Bunuel and early David Lynch, but, at the same time, it was clearly an original and brilliant voice. I have been less thrilled by Alpes and The Lobster, though they were also interesting ion some ways. Haven't seen to the two most recent ones, perhaps since the mild letdown I experienced with the last two, but I do have "Sacred Deer" in my queue. Maybe I'll try it tonight.

As for Malick, he completely wowed me as an 18 year old when Days of Heaven came out, and I liked Badlands almost as much when I first saw it in college. I also loved The Thin Red Line, and though I had mixed feelings about The New World, and Tree of Life, there was so much magnificence and cinematic ambition that I still think of both as amazing. Much less so for me with the two I've seen since (To The Wonder, and Song To Song). He may have discovered a cinematic language that reflects what he wants to express in its "purest form," but i don't find these "personal, poetic reflections" nearly as interesting as his earlier work.

I suppose that you must be quite taken by the cinematic imagination that both have cultivated this decade or you wouldn't have nominated either, but both have lost me more than they have found me, even as I have made some effort to connect with what they are doing.

For me, the 2010's has largely been about the singular outstanding films of promising directors, who have mostly followed up with lesser ones, or not followed up at all. It has also been a decade where I have missed some films by the directors who have most caught my attention, so perhaps my current perception will change when I see more. I saw two films in a row by Sergey Loznitsa that I really liked, and then haven't seen anything by him since, largely because I moved from San Francisco and haven't had the same kind of access I once had, but also because his subsequent films just haven't been that accessible. Another Russian filmmaker I love is Andrey Zvyagintsev, but again, I have only seen two by him (both very good) this decade.

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Post by Lonewolf2003 » June 16th, 2019, 4:29 pm

Interesting question. I find it difficult to think of directors that owned the 10s and made more than a couple of essential films. But some other directors I think who really emerged in the 10s, although most already did made (good) movies before that: Sion Sono, Asghar Farhadi, Paolo Sorrentino, Xavier Dolan, Steve McQueen. Dennis Villeneuve is probably the biggest emerging director of big Hollywood productions.

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Post by cinewest » June 17th, 2019, 1:50 am

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Interesting question. I find it difficult to think of directors that owned the 10s and made more than a couple of essential films. But some other directors I think who really emerged in the 10s, although most already did made (good) movies before that: Sion Sono, Asghar Farhadi, Paolo Sorrentino, Xavier Dolan, Steve McQueen. Dennis Villeneuve is probably the biggest emerging director of big Hollywood productions.
Yes, I think you hit on some of the more interesting emerging directors, and I will add a few others: Lazlo Nemes, Ciro Garcia, Loznitsa, Miguel Gomes, Ruben ostlund, and others, including several young American filmmakers that most are already familiar with

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Post by fori » June 17th, 2019, 2:05 am

To me, the main issue is not whether there is a great or ‘defining’ film director of the decade (it seems obvious to me that there are several that aptly fit the bill). The real issue is the lack of emerging voices entering the scene within the decade. Not a single name listed by myself or anyone else here has not been at least involved in the film industry since the early 2000s (indeed most listed had even had features to their name in that timespan). The closest to this that comes up in these conversations regularly are Xavier Dolan & near miss Damien Chazelle.

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Post by outdoorcats » June 17th, 2019, 3:38 am

By your standards the "emerging voices" are currently working on short films or other jobs in the industry to build up their resume, like pretty much everyone does. None of us have heard of them yet, but presumably we will in 5 years or so. It makes more sense to use the standards the other users are using, which is to consider directors who made a breakthrough this decade or perhaps made their first feature this decade after previously only producing shorts.

All that being said, looking forward I would argue that in the future we'll see "great director" status bestowed on such new directors as Bi Gan (first film, 2015). Alice Rohrwacher (first non-doc, 2013), and Trey Edward Shults (first shorts in 2010, first feature 2015).

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Post by fori » June 17th, 2019, 3:54 am

Well I mean for comparison Yorgos Lanthimos, Ciro Guerra and Denis Villeneuve all had features to their name 15 or more years ago, so I think the short films thing doesn’t really suffice as an explanation. I actually think my standard is fine, too often I see cases where someone thinks an industry veteran’s first feature as a director is representative of new talent within the industry when they’ve been involved in some way or another for decades even. There are actually plenty of people I think have made an excellent start within this decade, though I’m not half as keen on your picks as you obviously are.

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Post by St. Gloede » June 17th, 2019, 6:33 am

While directors will often get their name out there with their debut, it will, especially these days as new directors as making less films (than many other periods in history), take a while before they are truly branded as great directors - and those who define a decade tend to have starter before (i.e. French New Wavers started in the 50s, left their mark in the 60s - and later, German New wavers started in the 60s, left their mark in the 70s - and later, etc.).

For voices who started in the 2010s I think Gan Bi might be the most talked about and discussed, and that with just 2 films out this decade. László Nemes is in the same category, but with less support here. (A lot of people are also talking highly of Alex Garland), though I am expecting the people to make the biggest mark on the 2020s will likely be people who have only made 1 or 2 films so far, many of which may not even be on our radar. Personally I am extremely excited about Carla Simón, but she has only made one film so far, and all too often a great first film is followed up by forgettable work, or just silence.

Edit: Outdoorcats has a pretty solid line-up listed, and I can't wait to see what more Alice Rohrwacher has to offer.

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Post by beavis » June 17th, 2019, 6:55 am

I would add Eduardo Williams, Aditya Vikram Sengupta, Panos Cosmatos and Niles Atallah

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Post by cinewest » June 17th, 2019, 9:01 am

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To me, the main issue is not whether there is a great or ‘defining’ film director of the decade (it seems obvious to me that there are several that aptly fit the bill). The real issue is the lack of emerging voices entering the scene within the decade. Not a single name listed by myself or anyone else here has not been at least involved in the film industry since the early 2000s (indeed most listed had even had features to their name in that timespan). The closest to this that comes up in these conversations regularly are Xavier Dolan & near miss Damien Chazelle.

The word "emerging" seems to mean different things to us, here.

Ciro Garcia, for example, may have two features to his name from the 2000's?(I saw the one from 2009),I still say he emerged in the 2010's because very few knew about him until his 3rd feature, Embrace of the Serpent 2015.

Apart from him, there are quite a few interesting filmmakers who made their first feature in the 2010's (several women filmmakers jump to mind if only because of the recent poll focusing on them), but I only cited those who most impressed me beyond Lonewolf's list.

Granted, someone like Loznitsa has been around for a while as a documentary filmmaker, but he didn't "emerge" internationally or make his first fiction feature until 2010.

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Post by fori » June 17th, 2019, 11:59 pm

This is fairly minor, so I’ll let this be my last reply. Ciro Guerra’s “The Wind Journeys” actually had over 100 checks on ICM prior to the release of “Embrace of the Serpent”, which is not so few, particularly when you compare it to “Kaili Blues”, which has had its check counts inflated due to the 2 official lists that this forum adjudicates. Indeed the total checks of TWJ was about the same as KB immediately before each directors next film. I think what we may or may not think of as major is not that relevant or useful to this discussion. If a director has had internationally distributed features going back to 2004, they aren’t a newly emerging director of this decade.

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Post by maxwelldeux » June 22nd, 2019, 6:05 pm

So, I'm not really an audiophile or anything, nor to I care about lighting. But I recently acquired two things: A sound bar and an LED pack for my TV. Yesterday, I set them up.

HO. LEE. SHIT.

Totally changed the film watching experience for the better. The LEDs almost give the feel of the theater - I'm having oodles of fun trying to pair the color of the LED with the themes of the movie (or TV) I'm watching. And the sound... hot diggity damn. I watched Transformers last night just to take advantage of the soundbar, and it was a totally new experience. I actually felt the transformers coming from the bass - I'd never actually heard/felt that before with this movie.

So if you have any suggestions of movies where the sound effects might make me shit my pants, I'd love to hear them.

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