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Post by RBG » February 10th, 2019, 3:20 pm

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I'm not a fan of La La Land either. To me it's The Artist (2011) of the musical genre, a musical for people who don't really like musicals. The likes of Astaire/Rogers could elevate a bland script by being great performers but this remained a bog-standard Gosling/Stone romcom with tacked on musical segments. Good actors but they don't have the pizzazz for this sort of thing.
ugh yes i also hated the artist. nothing against gosling/stone but they're obvs not singers/dancers
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Post by St. Gloede » February 10th, 2019, 3:35 pm

I loved The Artist, a bit sad how it went from the incredible story of an unexpected, passionate and even daring film, to an empty homage - perhaps it would have been better for its legacy if it had not been nominated for the Oscars (but then we would likely not have gotten Blancanieves).

That said I agree on La La Land, it largely feels like it exists only to be a ho age in the first half, forgets it is a musical in the second, and while it has quite a few strong films, and I liked it overall, it feels very empty.

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Post by Ivan0716 » February 10th, 2019, 4:02 pm

I saw The Artist again recently for the first time since its release, and I'm a LOT less enamoured of it this time around*, I watched it after Show People as I did the first time because I remember it being the perfect companion piece to it. While I still love Show People, I just didn't care for The Artist at all, I can't even say what's changed for me exactly, it's the same film I remembered and loved, maybe I'm just tired of these kind of stories, or maybe i just didn't watch it the way it was intended to this time around (in the cinema with everyone else being half a century older).

*just for reference, I think it was in my top 10 when I made my submission for the top of the decade poll last year...it won't make my list this year.

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Post by St. Gloede » February 10th, 2019, 5:40 pm

Not gonna lie, the fact that we were finally getting a relatively high budget silent film again was a large part of my initial adoration. I was really hoping for a revival, and for a little while it almost seemed like it would happen.

That said the love letter to silent cinema, perfectly blended in both style and content gives it a gravitas, and the filmmaking itself was splendid and charming. I don't love it as much as when first released however, and a fresh viewing may push it even further down my list as well.

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Post by Knaldskalle » February 10th, 2019, 7:31 pm

rnilsson19 wrote:
February 10th, 2019, 12:47 pm
I'm not a fan of La La Land either. To me it's The Artist (2011) of the musical genre, a musical for people who don't really like musicals. The likes of Astaire/Rogers could elevate a bland script by being great performers but this remained a bog-standard Gosling/Stone romcom with tacked on musical segments. Good actors but they don't have the pizzazz for this sort of thing.
I agree 100% with this.
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Post by max-scl » February 10th, 2019, 8:56 pm

St. Gloede wrote:
February 10th, 2019, 3:35 pm
I loved The Artist, a bit sad how it went from the incredible story of an unexpected, passionate and even daring film, to an empty homage - perhaps it would have been better for its legacy if it had not been nominated for the Oscars (but then we would likely not have gotten Blancanieves).

That said I agree on La La Land, it largely feels like it exists only to be a ho age in the first half, forgets it is a musical in the second, and while it has quite a few strong films, and I liked it overall, it feels very empty.
Actually it would have. In fact The director of Blananieves wasn't aware of The Artist when he was working on his film, so when The Artist premired at Cannes he threw away his phone out of rage after his prducer called him to let him know about this new silent film everyones was raving.

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Post by fori » February 11th, 2019, 1:54 am

A lot of people seemed to give lofty praise to Ash is Purest White, and to those people I want to ask: why? I just saw it yesterday, and I was bitterly disappointed, especially after all the hype.
Additionally user translated subs online seem to have a number of odd mistranslations.

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » February 11th, 2019, 1:56 am

fori wrote:
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A lot of people seemed to give lofty praise to Ash is Purest White, and to those people I want to ask: why? I just saw it yesterday, and I was bitterly disappointed, especially after all the hype.
Additionally user translated subs online seem to have a number of odd mistranslations.
Did you see the rip that was online? I delayed it after seeing this comment: Alright so heads up for anybody waiting on subs for this copy. It is actually different than the film you are meant to see, very different. It even has a different ending than my screener (A much worse ending.) SO if you are itching to watch this movie, waiting for a proper copy might be the best course of action here.

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Post by funkybusiness » February 11th, 2019, 2:07 am

it's supposedly the screener sent to Cannes as part of the submission process, right? Some of those submissions to Cannes can be really, really early cuts, so it's possibly wildly different from the finished product.

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Post by fori » February 11th, 2019, 2:15 am

Yeah the version I saw was on Avistaz. It seemed to have some watermarks removed.

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Post by weirdboy » February 11th, 2019, 5:26 am

Watching Russian Doll. First couple episodes are sorta meh.

Also this woman who is a professional programmer goes to a "code review" meeting that is basically what I imagine a Hollywood scriptwriter might think a "code review" would be based on the name, but which is actually nothing like a code review.

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Post by Cippenham » February 11th, 2019, 6:18 am

Bafta awards last night Roma Best Film, The Favourite Best British Film

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Post by St. Gloede » February 11th, 2019, 6:31 am

max-scl wrote:
February 10th, 2019, 8:56 pm
St. Gloede wrote:
February 10th, 2019, 3:35 pm
I loved The Artist, a bit sad how it went from the incredible story of an unexpected, passionate and even daring film, to an empty homage - perhaps it would have been better for its legacy if it had not been nominated for the Oscars (but then we would likely not have gotten Blancanieves).

That said I agree on La La Land, it largely feels like it exists only to be a ho age in the first half, forgets it is a musical in the second, and while it has quite a few strong films, and I liked it overall, it feels very empty.
Actually it would have. In fact The director of Blananieves wasn't aware of The Artist when he was working on his film, so when The Artist premired at Cannes he threw away his phone out of rage after his prducer called him to let him know about this new silent film everyones was raving.
That is an almost unbelievable coincident, thanks for the trivia!

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Post by Ivan0716 » February 12th, 2019, 1:13 am

Any Giallo connoisseur on here? I'm one short of my 50th, and I want to make it a good one before I move onto poliziotteschi.

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Post by Knaldskalle » February 12th, 2019, 5:20 am

Ivan0716 wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 1:13 am
Any Giallo connoisseur on here? I'm one short of my 50th, and I want to make it a good one before I move onto poliziotteschi.

What I've seen
I'm not sure I'm well-versed enough to call myself a connoisseur, but I do like me some gialli...

Looking at your ratings, I'm not sure I can actually come up with a good recommendation, we seem to have very different tastes. You might not like what I consider good.

Death Laid an Egg is completely bonkers and a mix of art house and giallo, definitely worth checking out. I think it's good, but... will you?

Oh, and you haven't seen Umberto Lenzi's Orgasmo! That's a nice pre-Argento giallo as well. Lenzi later made his mark as a director of poliziotteschi, so it might be nice to see what he dabbled in before that (since you'll inevitably see more of his movies).

If you want something a bit different (and definitely in the more obscure end), I'd check out Una Iena in Cassaforte (A Hyena in the Safe). Far from your typical giallo, it's more of a "after the heist" movie and it's pretty entertaining. It's not an overlooked masterpiece, but it's (in my opinion) a good little movie that deserves to be at least as known as some of the worst movies on your list. ;)
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Post by St. Gloede » February 12th, 2019, 6:44 am

Ivan0716 wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 1:13 am
Any Giallo connoisseur on here? I'm one short of my 50th, and I want to make it a good one before I move onto poliziotteschi.

What I've seen
I used to be a massive giallo fan in my teens, but you have seen everything I consider reasonably good, with the exception of the great, but early, black and white, and not quite a horror Lady of the Lake: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059116/reference (it is often counted as giallo however)

You are also missing the relatively solid, but lesser Bava films, Hatchet for the Honeymoon.

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Post by zuma » February 12th, 2019, 11:57 am

St. Gloede wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 6:44 am
Ivan0716 wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 1:13 am
Any Giallo connoisseur on here? I'm one short of my 50th, and I want to make it a good one before I move onto poliziotteschi.

What I've seen
I used to be a massive giallo fan in my teens, but you have seen everything I consider reasonably good, with the exception of the great, but early, black and white, and not quite a horror Lady of the Lake: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059116/reference (it is often counted as giallo however)

You are also missing the relatively solid, but lesser Bava films, Hatchet for the Honeymoon.
I was just about to post the same recommendation. The Possessed is a wonderful film with
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Post by St. Gloede » February 12th, 2019, 12:00 pm

I think we have a winner then! :cheers:

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Post by zuma » February 12th, 2019, 12:01 pm

....as long as he has not seen it.

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Post by Ivan0716 » February 12th, 2019, 1:32 pm

Thanks for the recs! Yeah I guess I'll make The Possessed/Lady of the Lake my 50th, but I'll get around to the others at some point, A Hyena in the Safe in particular, sounds like fun.

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Post by zuma » February 12th, 2019, 1:37 pm

I will bookmark Una iena in cassaforte/Hyena in the Safe as well. Always enjoy this genre for a change of pace.

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Post by Knaldskalle » February 12th, 2019, 7:42 pm

Ivan0716 wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 1:32 pm
Thanks for the recs! Yeah I guess I'll make The Possessed/Lady of the Lake my 50th, but I'll get around to the others at some point, A Hyena in the Safe in particular, sounds like fun.
La Donna del Lago (which I haven't seen, so couldn't recommend) came out on blu-ray from Arrow earlier this month.
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Post by matthewscott8 » February 13th, 2019, 11:02 am

Knaldskalle wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 7:42 pm
Ivan0716 wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 1:32 pm
Thanks for the recs! Yeah I guess I'll make The Possessed/Lady of the Lake my 50th, but I'll get around to the others at some point, A Hyena in the Safe in particular, sounds like fun.
La Donna del Lago (which I haven't seen, so couldn't recommend) came out on blu-ray from Arrow earlier this month.
I watched it again recently. It's a thin relatively uninteresting story, it's as close as you'll get to someone turning a sow's ear into a silk purse. Very intense atmosphere of alienation and paranoia, lots of misdirection; it's a cross between Antonioni and giallo. It's ultimately an interesting experiment in alchemy, take a banal story with little of interest to it and see how far mise en scene can pump it up.

Of gialli from the classic era my picks are The Bird With The Crystal Plumage, The House With Laughing Windows, and Lizard in a Woman's Skin. It is a genre a bit like Spaghetti, where once you go past Leone, or in this case Argento, there's a drop off in quality, maybe you find an affinity with Sollima, or in this case Martino or Fulci. But it's a bit like being a drug user and chasing highs that don't exist with the same intensity any more.
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Post by St. Gloede » February 13th, 2019, 11:48 am

matthewscott8 wrote:
February 13th, 2019, 11:02 am
Knaldskalle wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 7:42 pm
Ivan0716 wrote:
February 12th, 2019, 1:32 pm
Thanks for the recs! Yeah I guess I'll make The Possessed/Lady of the Lake my 50th, but I'll get around to the others at some point, A Hyena in the Safe in particular, sounds like fun.
La Donna del Lago (which I haven't seen, so couldn't recommend) came out on blu-ray from Arrow earlier this month.
I watched it again recently. It's a thin relatively uninteresting story, it's as close as you'll get to someone turning a sow's ear into a silk purse. Very intense atmosphere of alienation and paranoia, lots of misdirection; it's a cross between Antonioni and giallo. It's ultimately an interesting experiment in alchemy, take a banal story with little of interest to it and see how far mise en scene can pump it up.
Very good description, agree completely.

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » February 14th, 2019, 2:42 pm

Gan Bi's Long Day's Journey Into Night is now online.

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Post by Ivan0716 » February 14th, 2019, 4:09 pm

^Perfect film for Valentine's day.

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Post by Carmel1379 » February 14th, 2019, 5:29 pm

Smashing.
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Sufficient? who shall tempt with wand’ring feet
The dark unbottom’d infinite Abyss,
And through the palpable obscure find out
His uncouth way, or spread his aerie flight,
Upborn with indefatigable wings,
Over the vast abrupt, ere he arrive
The happy Ile?

Nur dein Auge – ungeheuer / Blickt michs an, Unendlichkeit!
Close the world. ʇxǝu ǝɥʇ uǝdO.
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Post by Traveller » February 14th, 2019, 5:39 pm

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » February 20th, 2019, 12:59 am

Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse... a film that I actually thought was good (not great, but a huge step above other superhero films) is now online.

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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » February 20th, 2019, 1:00 am

And Green Book... but fuck that.

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Post by PeacefulAnarchy » February 20th, 2019, 4:30 am

XxXApathy420XxX wrote:
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And Green Book... but fuck that.
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Post by XxXApathy420XxX » February 21st, 2019, 3:03 am

XxXApathy420XxX wrote:
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Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse... a film that I actually thought was good (not great, but a huge step above other superhero films) is now online.
On the 2nd viewing I was able to appreciate the animation more, but some of the more humourous moments felt a lot more cringy. Not as good in the 2nd viewing unfortunately.

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Post by tommy_leazaq » February 21st, 2019, 7:31 pm

Yeah, the animation and narrative styles were phenomenal in Spider-Verse but script wise it was so-so only. But yes, a lot better than many of the superhero films.

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Post by sebby » February 21st, 2019, 10:42 pm

Y’all gotta stop before you convince me to watch this movie I know I’ll dislike.

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Post by Cippenham » Yesterday, 11:04 am

The Golden Raspberry Awards have been announced

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Post by Cippenham » Yesterday, 11:08 am

Just cos they don’t like Trump it’s a bit of a stretch to say he is worst actor playing himself as he is in a documentary . I could as easily say he is the best. Actually Death of a Nation sounds like a good film :guns: or maybe it’s not :folded:

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